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1989 04 25 Agenda . . . AGENDA PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, APRIL 25, 1989, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE 1. Call to Order. 2 . 3. Appointment Acting Chair, Curt Robinson. Item Delete (No Minutes). 4. Update of Lake Lucy Access and Chain of Lakes Improvement Project. 5. Public Hearings on Park Development Plans: a. Chanhassen Hills b. Curry Farms c. Lake Susan Hills West 6. Public Hearing on Purchase of Bandimere Property. 7. Commission Presentations. 8. Administrative Section. CITY OF CHAHHASSEH 4 . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~ .April 18, 1989 DAI'E: SUBJ: Lake Lucy Access Attached please find a memo with the status of access for Lake Lucy. I had hoped to have met with DNR officials by now to discuss alternatives in greater detail. However, that meeting will not occur until next Monday. Therefore, I will be prepared to give a verbal update as to the outcome of that meeting. . Although I do not feel optimistic about the DNR changing their position on the portage access, I do feel there may be other options not yet explored that would be suitable. Again, I will have more details after Monday's meeting. . . . . CITY OF CBAHBASSEH 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator~ April 4, 1989 ) DATE: SUBJ: Joint City Council/Park and Recreation Commission Meeting The City Council requested a second joint meeting with the Park and Recreation Commission on April 11 at 6:30 p.m. to discuss access to Lake Lucy. A considerable amount of research has been done in this area. The Park and Recreation Commission held a public hearing with Lake Lucy residents to review the access study done by Mark Koegler (attached). Based on the study, the general concensus was to pursue the idea of a portage from Lake Ann to Lake Lucy. Although a portage arrangement, if acceptable to DNR, would require making Lake Lucy a quiet lake, this was the most favorable option. I have contacted DNR as to whether or not they would approve a portage access. Initially the reaction from Del Barber and Duane Shodeen was positive. However, upon discussions with the Central Office, such was determined to be unacceptable (see attached letter). The second option that seemed most favorable was shown as Option D in the study. Staff was directed to have a mini feasibility study done on the outlot to determine layout and cost (see attached). The outlot would accommodate the necessary components of an access~ however, due to poor soil conditions, a con- siderable amount of correction is needed. Additionally, this site will require dredging a 500 ft. channel to get to open water. This brings the cost of the access on this site to almost $120,000 for construction alone. Although the owner of the outlot has not named a price or expressed a willingness to sell, the property was sold to him for $49,000 one and one-half years ago. It is my feeling that Lake Lucy is an exceptional lake with characteristics that warrant special considerations. I have ten- tatively set up a meeting with the DNR Central Office to appeal to them to reconsider their position given facts that I have Mr. Don Ashworth April 4, 1989 Page 2 attached here. Unfortunately, the meeting is not until after the joint meeting, at which time the City Council was to be updated. As the funding of the Lake Riley Chain of Lakes Clean Up Project is contingent upon this access, staff will continue to pursue a reasonable solution. . . . - - - ~-- -c-......- -- I ( I I I I , \ \ ' " \ ' I' I' I' , I ( I I I ,'1 ': <> N . LAKr - - - - -. -- ~ ... .... 100' D . D PARKING LOT 7 cara/trallers . LAKE .. PROPOSED LAKE lUCY BOAT ACCESS OUTLOT A LAKE LUCY HIGHL.ANDS \\ \\ \\\ ,/ ACCESS~\\ /~~ CHANNEL \ / \ Vii ') / LUCY , r?<ilVanDotEn v~ ",,~llnl. . l~"~",, · 'lt~Atl' Pi.te No. 1 ----------------------------------------------------.------- <. e e '-- 4 . I Soil borings and a boundary and topogr~phic survey are recom~ended to be obt~in~d prior to meking a major fina~cial co!'!';~1tment. The layout and cost estimate were based on a nJ~ber of assumptions. A study update should then be prepared. Add $15.000 to condense the construction period to one secson. 5 . \l:e trust the information presented herein wl1l assist you in evaluating tbe overall merits of this prcject. We will be glad to review this report in detail at your ccnven1ence. Very truly yours, VAN DOREN-HAl~r.j-STALLINSS. INC. ~ t..t #- l~tuI~ R. Scott Harrf. PIE. RSH:fa // .," l' I ---...z.- - --._ ---_ . . . , L.- . ( I. le . . u - ...~~.:~~ ( The proposed boat access channe' w11t include marsh land excavation and b€'ow ~ater lake dredgino. The channel in the lake area would extend e~ estimated distance of 500 fe~t based on 0 le~e bottom contour map and information received from an adjoining homeowner who is contemplating the same activity. ThE co~struction work includes miner grading. b~tuminous peving, CU'~Ert insta'l~tion, marsh area elcavation, lake dredging. bo~t. r a f~[ p . s ; ~ n i rl ~ and res tor a t ion . N 0 con ere tee u r ban d gut t e r 1 ~ included nor recommended. It is anticipated that the most ecc~cmical approach to the access constructio~ is to .floatM the driv~ acrcs~ the marsh area. With this approach, long-term set t 1 € 1':: e n t s are pre die tab 1 e 8 n d w 0 u 1 d c a use the cur b to bee 0 m e dysfunst1o~al. A1' surplus excavated material ~nd the marsh and lake brea dredgings are projected to be disposed of off-site. Thfre 1~ no space available on this site for disposal of excavated meteri~l. T~o ~ethcds of lake dredging were studied. One method involved Con y e r, t i Co na 1 e x c a vat ion e q ti i p!:'t ~ n t . 1. e . b a c k hoe s 0 r d rag , i r: e s . Th1~ m~th0d could only be done in the winter when the ice cover was sufficient to support the equipment. The second method involves a ~~t ~=~uum process. The material ~culd be pumped to a lay down area w~fre natural drying would occur. It cou'd then be lo~ded and tru:keC: off-site. This procedure could be done during the summer m0nths. The more conventional exc!votion method resulted in the lower ~cst end, t~erefore, is used in the following cost summary: C1eering & Srubb1~g Excay~tion & Fill Drive & Farking lot Paving Culverts Boat Ra:!1p Boat Access C~annel Erosion Control Seeding & Sodding lump sum 3600 ty 3900 SY 115 LF lump surn 3750 CY 1500 IF lump sum $ 1.500 12.000 32.500 7,500 5,000 2),000 4.500 5T\~.Q $ 91.000 TOTAL ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST Eng1neer1ng. testing, legal, adminittrative. contingency and m1scel'~neou~ - 30~ $ 27.300 $118,300 TOTAL ESTIK TED PROJECT COST SU~MARY AND CONCLUSIONS J. ,~ 1. Parking ond access cen fit on outlot A. 2. Ldyout of facilities is consistent with DNR regulations. :So ihe project would require 0 winter end summer season to complete. . Aprll S. lSS9 I'\L Lori Sietsema Per( t Relre(.t~on Co~rdi~atoi C1tw 0f Ch~nha~sen f. c. f: - r ;- .. , t "r' 0 r 1 v Q f.I ~.... "'.... \II I '" ~ f' '- ,. '. I . , s e '" .. l' "I net Q t.. 5 5 3 1 7 iJ'!~'.. ......... .'t" I ~..il.J . Rr; Fees1b11ity Study for L~~t Lucy Boat AccEss \' "! :: P r c. j e c t No. 8 9 - j 0 4 DE~r lv!";: We hr~ p~~a!~d to prtsent to yDU t~e reiu'ts of the feasibility ~\:..:y .:::-;l",cerldr,~ bOflt c:CCf:SS to Lake Lucy. Th~ st~dy was conductec per YC'.:'" ~..f.hor'izat1on datf!dM~rch 16, 19B9. The study set cut to ! . :, ':1 t~' t y: c q ',! e So t ion s : I} H 0" ct \) i S the ace e ~ s a I'i d p CI :" k i r\ 9 f ; ton t',~ ,,"cpert).? an.j 2) What wi11 it cost? \.Ie ,.111 adcress each . ~~!';;'i:'\;:,r\ in (lyder therl foi'iow w1th our summary. l~~ r,r~;ertj in question is Outlot A. Lake lucy Highlands. lccoted ~~ ~~~ ~o~th side of Ltks Lu:y Roed in the northwest CDrner of lake LJ~;. 1he property i~ approx1mately 1080 feet long by a nominal ~1cth ~f 30e feet. Nc~r'y 70 percent of the are~ 15 ~arshy with t h (; r E :1: e i i1 d to reo n s i s t 1 !1 Q 0 f s' i g h t 1 y h i g her g r 0 u n d . The pre p e !" t )' is r~rt ~f th~ City's d€s)onated wetland. P1~te Xc, 1 i11ustretei one possibie 1ayout. The fac111ties would i L: 1 :.J d r a 2 0 f 0 0 t W .; d e d r h' e . ve !'" ~ 1 n g fer s eve n (7 ) C ! r S wit ~; ifan~..S. boat ramp cnd is ;fifty feet (5&C) wide access chal'inel to re?ch e nev{g3tional depth of w~ter to operate an outboard roDtor. The lbyout 1s consistent with current D~R standards. Two culvtrts M~11 b~ nee~ed to maintain present drainage patterns. A Dcrtio~ Of the cccess drive near Leke lucy Road would cross e ~crt10r, of t~e designated wetland. There is no other alternative 10~dt1C~ to t\'oid the wetland ~hnE: keeping the drive on t~,e pr~perty. There is, however, some land area noted as high ground which cc~ld be r~cl~in~6 as wetland to ~ompensate for the t5kin~. . ~:s,) r...li;~' L",;.e tIler\/; lie~ n, Suite 10. M>r,_!polli, ~.~, Sb.U7'-217& 01:/663-'.50 /<101 . . Lake Lucy Access Study City of Chanhassen February, 1989 . ~ VanDoren Hazard Stallings architEctS. EnginEErs. plannErs topeka . wichita. minneapolis · kansas city 1 . LAKE LUCY ACCESS STUDY INTRODUCTION/PURPOSE This report provides an overview of potential public access locations on Lake Lucy in north central Chanhassen. For the purposes of this study, "public access" is defined as a publicly owned or controlled parcel of land whose purpose is to provide access to Lake Lucy. Lake Lucy is categorized by the State of Minnesota as public waters. Facilities at a public access include required entrance roads, parking, a boat ramp and associated facilities. Standards utilized . by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) require the provision of one parking space for every 20 acres of surface water. Lake Lucy consists of a total of 135 acres necessitating the provision of seven parking spaces. PLANNING CONTEXT Public access to Lake Lucy . . 2 watershed affecting Lake Riley has a number of tributary lakes including Rice Marsh, Lake Susan, Lake Ann and at the north end, Lake Lucy (Figure 1). All of these lakes and their surrounding drainage areas have an impact on Lake Riley. Because of the physical connection each of the lakes, the clean up of Lake Riley requires clean up efforts on each of the lakes in the watershed including Lake Lucy. In August of 1985, a report entitled "Lake Riley Diagnostic Study" was completed by Barr Engineering. The report identified water quality problems in a number of lakes including Lake Lucy. Based partially on that report, the Riley-Purgatory Watershed District in conjunction with other state and local agencies applied for federal (EPA) funding under the Clean Lakes Act to specifically identify problems and effectuate clean up procedures. The total project which carries a cost of just under one million dollars involves a thorough analysis of problems in the watershed area and follow up actions including but not limited to fish kills and restocking, fish barriers, aeration systems, weed harvesting and chemical treatments. Under federal guidelines utilized for the Clean Lakes Program, all lakes within a watershed area that receives federal assistance are required to provide public access. Additionally, it is the policy of the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources to require public access prior to the restocking and continued stocking of game fish. . At the present time, Lake Lucy is the only lake in the Lake Riley 3 . o I 1 I Scale in Miles o 1 2 I I I I I Scale In Kilometers 2 I ~ Areas not Contlbuting to Surface Water Drainage. '. "'\..~UBW A TERSHED/ ~ 1 ISUBWATERSHE 1 ~u., I 2 ..-; . I , \ l...v... ....., Rice Laie L~~~..~~~~ --""'" . ,/ '_.,../'-"~ c.. lSLeWATERSHED 3., ~ \ ... Figure '1 lake Riley Watershed N~ . lake lucy Access Study . . 4 Watershed without either an existing public access or an access under construction. As a result, this study is investigating potential locations that will satisfy both federal and state criteria for public accesses. Federal and state agencies are on record as stating that without a public access to Lake Lucy, the Lake Riley Watershed clean up project will not be funded. In addition to the federal and state access requirements tied to the clean up funding, policies adopted by the City of Chanhassen encourage public access. The 1980 Comprehensive Plan states, "Chanhassen has a long standing goal of providing a public access on each lake within the city. The community contains all or part of ten lakes which are legally public waters and, as such, should be accessible. Because it is impossible for everyone to live on a lake, the establishment of public accesses is imperative if the entire community is to enjoy the amenities associated with lakes." The provision of an access to Lake Lucy would also fulfill the goal identified in the Comprehensive Plan. POTENTIAL ACCESS LOCATIONS With two exceptions, Lake Lucy is surrounded entirely by privately owned land. Exhibit 2 identifies the ownership of parcels contiguous to Lake Lucy. The City of Chanhassen maintains a neighborhood park (Greenwood Shores) on the east side which is labeled as parcel 1. The DNR owns a parcel on the north end of the . lake that is designated as parcel 19. The remaining shoreland is 5 1 ~,a,.~ri~~~ J;~ \0 "l:~r~/ \WE '\.eMA INO ~ JI.. I H,....! II, lUry ........jl D 0 nc, t;'"rIY R[ A[ J.r. 0' I I II .....( ~ == - - - 13 /...1- 1/ ~~~I! -=. 10 \. .....~ ~ 9J. V ~ rJfJr 8r~ J z .. '/""' I ~, _ r---.{ ~__ ;....:::'~ l~t Jr'c! - :.2~ ~ ~ iti~ 2 ~ l JtJII\ 2 ~ . - _ ~ 1 / U leA..j ~: '~ rl \~ ~ t;. .~ i) ~. ./ ~ Ii CR[~Tv'rl I RII 'tCll\JR' r-;~A -= WA-< ~I ~.. ". ~ CIR~~ ~'-= , c. LA~ o Of i - I 00",. i .., ~ 1 d KE~ I r-"r :.0, '.J ~ ... .......-- '" - .'eLL " ~ ~~514 6 LAIlE c.... ...-J c~ 21 18 17 ... r-- -. - 22 ;..... x 20 - I\. - - 24 1KE /C. ."RISON ~ ~ II / 41 S o q) 24 (', .J ~/ ~. .~ ~, \.\ . \\ ~. :\. ~. 1 LAKE ANN .,) r'o "... oj !. .. . '. ." ...... '.0" r , , I ~ . .....) L." :1' 1 - I ~ - , - .- /" /b. I .1/ \ "'?" ..' ~.. -.' ", . ......... '" 1 City of Chanhassen 9 Dale Carlson 17 R. Christensen Figure 2 2 Jeff Farmakes 10 Alfred Olsen 18 Warren Phillips 3 Dan Fisher 11 Ron Knudlen 19 DNR 4 Tom Folsom 12 Gerald Hoffllan 20 Rosa 1 h Dodd Property Ownership 5 James Buehring 13 Jim Schluck 21 Nark Sanda 6 Tom Hickey 14 Theodore Coey 22 Eric Rivkin 7 Wi 11 iam Ward 15 Joseph Norin 23 Judith Dirks 8 Ed Neuinski 16 Brian Tichy 24 Prince R. Nelson 1500 11000 200J . lake lucy Access Study N~ 10 6 . privately owned with the majority associated with single family residences. One notable exception exists. Prince R. Nelson owns a substantial tract of land along the south and western shorelines of the lake. The total frontage owned by this individual constitutes approximately 33% of the entire lakeshore. POTENTIAL ACCESS CONSTRAINTS The identification of an access site on Lake Lucy is hindered by a number of factors including property ownership, wetlands and the limited size of the lake which results in limited shoreline availability. In general, the northern end of the lake contains wetland areas which either prohibit access or result in expensive . dredging operations. The eastern side of the lake is developed into single family lots. As was noted previously, the southern and western shores are under one ownership. Privacy and security concerns of the property owner realistically preclude acquisition of any of the southern and western shoreline areas. Additionally, large portions of this area are designated as Class A wetlands by the City of Chanhassen. Despite these limitations, four sites have been identified as possible access points to the lake. The sites are shown on Exhibit 3. Site A - Greenwood Shores Park Greenwood Shores Park contains approximately 3.5 acres. Because . of its location, the park has lakeshore on both Lake Ann and Lake 7 +) ccess R oa~ ~~ - ~~ r~ ... ~ ,..- ::!:! ~ -~ - ':::::::::::; C ~. ')1( :: ':::::::::::; . - ' . -. \~ I... . ............. T ~~ ~ c ~ :::::t?:.~.~ (J' ~~\ \ ' ,:) u ~ D{:?~:' B. ~':(r.- ~:::-J?:':\ ~ " . ,~~7 ~ ~ll (~~ "J. I - ~ _ 1)'\ t- 'I ..Yf l LAKE LUCY'; ': ~ Q ".. ,I '" ~ -9tJ y^~ '- -H - ~ u__.' "~~-]t~~ I :~. -:n U 'C~ A.I ~ _ A ,,~... ~ f'- '~~~ ~ J ~ ~. 1 <'-. .1 ~ It - J I r lilt rco\l~L- ~~...., ~ iI-. I CREtr'VIEa't""ITt. 1 CIR ~ Qo..~ I ..... ..... ~ (..",~ :. I "- IJ .... .f ..." LA~ .. , , CI ~.J ... ...... ____ ~ i - .'t(( " LAKE ,," \:~ COil .....--- - - "'- - - JKE 0::' ~""'$ON ~ ~ II /I ~ I4J S o Q) ~/ ~- ~ ~, ,,\ ~\ ~. ~\ 'I ./\..... ~ ~ '0. "'...' . .........-. ...... ,..... I , I I 10 1500 11000 200J N j '" ~ ll~ KEe 1 "~~T~~~~ ~~ \oYT1f~~ I r ~ '-e~. INQ ~ ~ l~lMl".r.l II lU( y .........~D 0 VIe:, f';'"rIY RI Ac '.r." I' II ~ ~ = - - \t{ '-~ - LAKE ANN /,1 /.b. I ,II \ '. ?" I. -~' '.. -.... _of..., ........ Figure 3 Potential Sites . lake lucy Access Study 8 . lucy. The lake lucy shoreline is approximately 100 feet in length. The park is classified as a neighborhood park and primarily serves the surrounding Greenwood Shores residential area. The land area of Greenwood Shores Park is sufficient for construction of a boat access and associated parking. Use of the parcel for an access would, however, terminate use of the property as a neighborhood park. Due to the shape and size of the site, accommodation of both uses would be impossible. Additionally, construction of an access would have a detrimental impact on adjacent residences due to the close proximity of existing homes and on the entire neighborhood area. Access to the park is via Utica lane which is designed to serve as a local street. . Site B - Dodd Property The shape of lake lucy creates a peninsula on the north end. The peninsula, in plan view, appears to be a good location for a public access. The owner of the peninsula also owns a 33 foot wide parcel of land which connects to lake lucy Road (Exhibit 3). This parcel could be used to provide road access to the peninsula area. In the field, however, one gains a different perspective of the Dodd property. The 7.9 acre parcel consists of a heavily wooded knob bordered on the northwest side by a large wetland area. The wetland area is designated as Class A by the City of Chanhassen. . Development of the parcel as an access is possible, however, the 9 project would substantially impact the wetland areas and the cost of the road and the boat ramp construction would be extremely high due to soil conditions and topography. According to the Carver County Soil Survey, soils in the wetland area are exclusively marsh, muck and deep peat. . Site C - DNR Property Site C consists of approximately 1.5 acres of land owned by the Minnesota Wildlife Heritage Foundation which is administered by the Department of Natural Resources (DNR). The property which lies immediately north of Site B presently contains a trail used by pedestrians, skiers and snowmobiles and an identification sign. Road access to the DNR property could be via the 33 foot wide strip of land identified on Exhibit 3 as "Road Access". . The land comprising the DNR site is virtually 100% wetland. The area which is designated Class A by the City of Chanhassen contains exclusively marsh soils according to the Carver County Soil Survey. As such, the land is essentially undevelopable due to soil conditions and adverse impacts to the extensive wetland area. Site D - Dirks Property Site D which lies on the northwest side of Lake Lucy contains approximately 7 acres of land. The parcel which is presently vacant contains a mix of upland and wetland areas. According to . 10 . the Carver County Soils Survey, the southwestern portion of the property consists of Terril Loam soils which can support road construction. Wetlands on the property occur along the lakeshore and along the northeastern portion of the site. The upland area has been used for agricultural purposes in the past. Construction of an access on the property appears to be feasible with some disturbance of the wetland area. The wetlands along the shoreline would have to be modified to allow the placement of a boat ramp and some modification of the wetlands along the northeast may be required for turn around construction. The site is large enough to allow for the creation of new wetland areas to replace the disturbed areas as a migitation technique. . Installation of a boat access will require dredging in Lake Lucy. At the present time, the quantity of dredging is impossible to estimate because of the lack of accurate bottom contour information. In general, the northern portion of the lake including Site 0 is shallow requiring excavation at the access and in all probability, a channel from the access to areas of the lake with adequate depth for boating. OTHER OPTIONS . One additional option for providing access to Lake Lucy has been has been mentioned in recent years. The option consists of connecting Lake Lucy to Lake Ann via a new channel along the route 11 of the existing natural creek. investigated but preliminary major problems. This option has not been seriously inquiries have revealed potential . The primary problems are water quality and lake elevations. At the present time, Lake Ann has significantly better water quality than Lake Lucy. Lake Ann has a normal water elevation approximately 1 foot above Lake Lucy. If the two lakes are connected by a major channel, the flow into Lake Ann may increase adversely affecting the water quality in Lake Ann. Additionally, restrictions on Lake Ann limit boats to electric motors only. It would present operational problems to require boat launching at Lake Ann which prohibits gasoline motors as the method of reaching Lake Lucy on which gasoline motors are presently permitted. . RECOMMENDATION In light of the information presented herein, only one option appears viable if the City of Chanhassen elects to install a boat access on Lake Lucy. Site 0, the Dirks property, has the highest potential of providing an access site which minimizes the disturbance of wetlands. Additionally, the site is located along Lake Lucy Road which is classified as a collector route. Based on the information available at this time, the site has the ability to accommodate an access that will meet DNR criteria while satisfying the EPA funding requirements for the Clean Lakes Project. . . . . Home phone 474-0330 Work " 341-2861 1701 Steller Court Excelsior, Mn. 55331 April 20, 1989 Mr. Mike Iviarkell DNR Trails and Waterways Unit 500 Lafayette Road St. Paul, Mn. 55155-4052 Dear Mr. Markell: I am writing out of concern for the environmental impact of a proposed access road from Lake Lucy Road to Lake Lucy. Our home is directly adjacent to the outlot slated for construc- tion. My husband and I regularly observe deer, ducks, geese, pheasants, racoons, fox etc. traversing and nesting on this property. In addition, Great Blue Herons and Great Egrets regu- larly feed on the south shore of the lake. The access road as proposed would severly disrupt the habitat of these animals. I talked to Lori Sietsemaat the City of Chanhassen and told her I would be more than happy to meet with your personnel to walk the property and point out the trails and nesting areas that would be affected. I know that you share my concern for protecting the environment and preventing unnecessary disruption of a delicate environmental balance. I would appreciate hearing from you at your earliest convenience so that we can arrange a time to show you the property. Sincerely, Barbara F' d APR 21 1989 cc: Lori Sietsema ~ ~----------- ----------.-------- ------------ \ ",-.I;: C KAr...: Ht\$SEN s CITY OF CHAHHASSEH . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator I~ April 13, 1989 ~ DATE: SUBJ: Development of Park Plans The 1989 Capital Improvement Program budget includes funds to develop park plans for parks in Chanhassen Hills, Curry Farms, and Lake Susan Hills West. Mark Koegler has been retained to come up with preliminary plans to be presented at the meeting to generate discussion. We have invited the affected neighborhoods in for their input as well. Chanhassen Hills . The Chanhassen Hills development is located on south Highway 101 and north of Lyman Blvd. The first two phases of the development are nearly filled and they are ready to begin Phase III. The 7.8 acre park lies within Phase III and rough grading will occur with street development. During initial discussions at the time of site plan review, it was felt the park could acommodate off- street parking, a ballfield, basketball, and totlot equipment. I have received 2-3 calls requesting development of this site. Curry Farms This development is in its final stages and filling steadily. The 6+ acre park lies in the center of the development and houses have been constructed around it. During the site plan review it was discussed that this site would accommodate a ballfield, totlot, basketball court, 2 tennis courts and parking. I have received 4-5 calls requesting development of this site. Lake Susan Hills West The park site within this development is known as Outlot G is a 9.8 acre parcel. Although no homes are built in this area to date, it is important to come up with a park plan as soon as possible as the developer will be required to do the appropriate grading. No calls have been received to date requesting the . development of this park. . . . Park and Recreation Commission April 13, 1989 Page 2 Besides coming up with park plans, park names are also needed. In many cases the park has taken the same name as the develop- ment. In others, such as Meadow Green and Chan Pond, the parks were renamed. Although the subdivision name would work well for parks at Curry Farms and Chanhassen Hills, there are 4 separate park sites within the Lake Susan Hills West development. CITY OF CHANHASSEN b . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: April 18, 1989 SUBJ: Purchase of Bandimere Property The City Council met on Saturday, April 15, 1989 to discuss the purchase of the Bandimere property. The general concensus of the Council was that they liked the property and the lake lot access from Bandimere Heights Park. Al Klingelhutz informed the group; however, that the lake lot had been sold. The City Council acted to enter into a purchase agreement to . purchase the Bandimere farm. They also directed Mr. Klingelhutz to look into the purchase of the lake lot from the new owners. The Council has directed the Park and Recreation Commission to hold a public hearing with the residents in the area of the Bandimere property to get their input. The public hearing is to inform the residents in the area that the City is considering purchase of the property and to outline what the initial plans are for the park. Additionally, it is to get the concerns and ideas from the residents who will live near the park. . . CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Don Ashworth, City Manager DATE: April 15, 1989 SUBJ: Special Meeting of the City Council Saturday, April 15, 1989 . Pursuant to Section 1.02 of the City Council's official rules of procedure, this office is calling a special meeting of the City Council for Saturday morning, April 15, 1989 at 8:00 a.m., Chanhassen City Council chambers. The purpose of the meeting will be one item - considering entering into a purchase agreement to purchase land in southern Chanhassen. I will be out of town Friday through Tuesday. I will attempt to have Lori or Todd available Saturday morning. Lori is preparing the staff report for this item and, hope- fully, has completed such for enclosure with this memorandum. It is my understanding that the Council would be considering entering into a purchase agreement for a rather nominal amount, i.e. $1,000 to $2,000. That purchase agreement would require the City to execute the purchase agreement within 60 to 90 days or lose its earnest money. During the 60 to 90 day period the Park Commission/City Council would conduct hearings to gain public input on the proposed acquisition prior to consummating such. . The funds to carry out the acquisition would corne through our 1989 bonding program. That is currently scheduled for November. The City maintains adequate cash balances to insure that interim financing is available for acquisition/construction projects, such as this, which are proposed to occur prior to the sale of bonds. Accordingly, the City would be in a position to not only pay the earnest money, but could also consummate the purchase in 60 to 90 days without incurring a financial hardship. CITY OF CHAHHASSEH . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 l-IEtwDRAi."IDUlvl 'IO: Don Ashworth, City Nanager :ma-I: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~ April 13, 1989 DATE: SUBJ: Southern Parkland The City Council and the Park and Recreation Carmission visited to the Bandimere Farm in southern Chanhassen on Tuesday evening (April ll) with Al Klingelhutz. Al infonned us that the 33 acre parcel will be going on the market next week and he does not expect it to take long to sell. He indicated that if the City was interested in the property for parkland, we should act quickly. The Bandimere property is located one-quarter mile south of Lyman Boulevard on . the east side of Highway 101. '!he land is high and rolling agricultural pro- perty with the hanestead on the southwest corner. It abuts the neighl:x>rhood park known as Bandimere Heights off of Kiowa Trail. Directly across the street fran Kiowa Trail is a lake lot for sale. ScIre in the group felt this was a natural extent ion of the park and should be acquired if the rest is acquired. The asking price for the Bandirnere farm is $210,000 and the lake lot is $68,000. The group also visited a 40-acre site located just west of Highway 101 on the south side of Lyman Boulevard. '!his property is also rolling and inclwes a drainagevlaY through the south section. '!he asking price for this site is $270,000, although the urgency does not exist on this site. I will be walking the site on Friday with l-Jark Koegler who will give his initial feeling on how active facilities could be accan:oodated. 1!he Park and Recreation Carmission's feeling is that both sites are quality sites, each with positives and negatives. '!he Bandimere property has a beautiful view of Lake Riley and the pond on the west side of Highway 101. '!he location is optimal and the lakeshore property is also an attraction. '!he property on Lyman has better street access and a natural windbreak~ however, the location was sanewhat less centrally located within the southern Olanhassen area. The Park and Recreation Carmission unanirrously r~nded that, due to the urgency of the property being put on the market, the City proceed with nego- tiations to acquire the Bandimere property and the lake lot. '!hey suggested that the negotiations allow time for the City to hold public hearings prior to . closing. ~._----~ I ,,- "~I_ I " -'UI;_\'v1 ~~~~ .........w.. _'~';~<'~j~~,~, LAKE ~\~. ""';';:If: · "'c',",.y n;, 'HC3"'''' ~^~~, "'~'O ___ ':?-' , ~Bk)~.~ ':I: 0;. EN:t':JY" '1r LAKE ANN \ ~ L ~ .~ '., BL-"=f,/ ~ ---l I ~ I,) / : ~ . _ "'"T " I rr7~ ~ h;, ' 'L.L'~':[~~~ 1...... _ 'i A L~:~ARC ~--::'Io ~ '" :::::-g--.....-- L::l ...1'1' 3 '1 ~:~..... ~ .~ 1"":. 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We wish to express our concern and strong disapproval over discussions by trle City Council related to the condemnation of property on Lake Riley for use as a park/picnic area. (We are referring to the three lots on Kiowa Trail errentl)' owned by Craig and Kate Halverso~ and Sid and Marion Mosman). We are very much opposed to trlis p}an for the foliowing reasons: 1. Lake Riiey currently has saturated use wrlicrl will be greatly increas,ed with the additional access from the Lake Riley Woods development. Increased traffic, noise and pollution would result from the proposed park use. . 2. There already is, one maior park area (In trle lave. Eden Prairie already has expansion plans for the existing park at tr!e ea:,t end of the la~~e. This wi 11 also add increased traff ie, noise, and pcllution. 3. ~1ost of thE' natural hC"1tlitat has aiready been altered with the development on Lake Riley. Presently there are nesting WOOd ducks, geese, and other wildlife using this particular area and we w is!"1 to leave some natural beauty left intact . The owner:. and nearby res idents desire to maintain the Quiet peaceful settirig trlat now exis.ts on trlis residentla! street. We are committed on thl5 i~slJe cll'''Id appreciate your time and considtr-ation. ~ - -. .. ~ .- - _. - - -- -. - - .... -. - -- - -- - ...- .,. -..- - -- - - - --- - .. ----~-- .--- - - , .. - , ~~I . 5 i gned: Name %~ .' \ (A t.-<.,. /'V r~ , g1JJttI~1 r ~ ~~~ ~t:>o W ?~n-; S'T P A of' Mil IJ' 7.).5- I ~ 1M:J 11 - C ~J--,J:Y ,uJc-dt 9,J71l(~ ~ ,rLtJqfl~. .' IV? ~ ~Lo-:t ; f--)/ . ~a."" ~~-;ct),,, 9~1 ~V~ I~<-- ~~ fig V j(-u.uHL~ 'lJ-l--J2 ~ 'B~ ~3l, I /( \fw.v 1~ 1~ C?<-d j)~ ~7;;.: 1'1/11 !lr1f"J"- 1/,.;A.. ~>-lk~-j~ ~ 1:5~-~ ~T~ (j~ (#>>~ 9.ff7o ~~ J~ ~/J /1) /4 ..... I ~ c7 :? 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Me M.C> {u ~~."''-f I. \. lo..... L L . S.. r t"-.. \" - I 'V'J 1'-4- 0.- ~ ...-~ r-t... ~ "-" . CITY 0 F CHAHHASSEH 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 April 7, 1989 Mr. Ozzie Chadderdon Commander Chanhassen American Legion Post 580 7995 Great Plains Blvd. Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Mr. Chadderdon: This letter is regarding the park shelter constructed by the Chanhassen American Legion at Lake Ann Park. According to the enclosed agreement, the Legion is to repay the City for materials in monthly payments of $250 for five years. Payments were to begin as soon as the project was completed. According to my records, the structure was completed in July, 1988. The Legion made two early payments in July of 1987. Therefore, your bill is paid through September of 1988 with payments for October, Novelnber, December, January February, March, and April are currently due. Attached please find a statement for $1750, which will bring your account up to date. Please feel free to call me at 937-1900 if you have any questions. Sincerely, Lori Sietsema Park and Recreation UpclI1Je.', Oc--z:\<.- Qo..\\-e.a bc...c..k. ~+t>-.+~~ +VWU-t ~-e.., \--eJ: Or'\. d \ 6 (\o\- Y\~" {; +~H__'\ \(" g Qt..VV\ 10 \\ J lJ.c;e..V\ OS e..- ~ "" tp Q...^I -+ c f ~-e- +i. "V\. -e.- b \ \ \ e.A . l --\t) \c1 h h'Y\ -tD nbk ~-+. O'^- -\-h-e- s-\-o..-ie,VV\-e.V\+ ~ t>>-'l ~ ~\CA.y'\c..-e.. - f-\.e.. .50.:\ 6. %e'l \tJ C\}...\ d V\t)+- h.o.,"e. ~ e~ ..\.\v~ ~OLk-,^ -t- I bv...t v-..)ov...\ 0. ~o.,,'1 ~ ~ M L.A..c. h ().:, ~'1 e..olAi d . Is LS:k Enclosure A . . . . \ STATEMENT CITY OF .HAHHASSEH 880 COULTER DR.. P.O. BOX 147. CHANHASSEN. MINNESOTA !l!l317 . (812) 837.1800 TO: Chanhassen American Leqion Post #580 N~ 749 7995 Great Plains Blvd. Chanhassen, MN 55317 DATE 10/88 Monthly 11/88 " 12/88 " 1/89 " 2/89 " . 3/89 " 4/89 " DESCRIPTION AMOUNT DUE payment for Shelter Construction Materia $ 250.00 250.00 250.00 250.00 250.00 250.00 250.00 1,750.00 I f"' - - (-- " 11,/;)0 OJ l AGREEMENT THIS AGREEMENT, made and entered into this . day of , 1986, by and between CHANHASSEN POST 580 OF THE AMERICAN LEGION ("Chanhassen Legion") and the CITY OF CHANHASSEN ("City"). WITNESSETH: WHEREAS, the City owns and maintains a public park at Lake Ann in Chanhassen, and WHEREAS, Chanhassen Legion is a social organization which uses the park for various functions; and WHEREAS, Lake Ann Park now lacks any structure to shelter park users or concession vendors; and WHEREAS, construction of a shelter within Lake Ann Park would be beneficial and enchance Park use by the community. NOW THEREFORE, in consideration for their mutual promises, . it is agreed as follows: 1. The Chanhassen Legion has developed a specific listing of various materials to be supplied by various vendors to complete sa~~~QAstruction. The City of Chanhassen hereby agrees to prepare ~;.::.:~. a p~rchase order for the purchase of each material order after - being supplied a listing of such materials and a quotation from ~~... :~. ~"'..- . at~~~~~t two different suppliers for said materials. The City shall ..~._. ~. fotlow~other bidding requirements as set forth in Minnesota Statutes ::&i~' ~~.'~ ~,,~...- an~~~as quickly as possible, make the purchase to the lowest respon- sible bidder. 2. The City shall supply the Chanhassen Legion with the materials for the construction of a park shelter. The materials for construction shall be purchased so that the City will not buy . ~ . . , . . . . , r- ~ ~ items from anyone source or vendor in an amount in excess of Fifteen Thousand Dollars ($15,000.00). 3. The City shall provide Chanhassen Legion with specifi- cations for the construction of the proposed park shelter. 4. Chanhassen Legion shall construct a park shelter according to the plans and specifications and with the materials provided to it by the City. The shelter shall be constructed at a location within Lake Ann Park designated by the City. 5. The City shall contract for the digging of a well at the shelter site, so that the park shelter will be supplied with running water. 6. Chanhassen Legion shall repay the City for all the City's costs and expenses incurred in purchasing materials for the park shelter and for digging the well. This debt shall be amortized over five (5) years, into sixty (60) equal monthly payments, each due on the 15th day of the month. Payment on the debt shall commence in the month following substantial completion of construction. No interest shall be charged on the debt. Chanhassen Legion's obli- gation to repay the debt, however, shall be suspended during any year in which they are unable to obtain a charitable gambling license through no fault of their own. 7. Following completion of construction, the City shall assume all responsibility for maintenance and repair of the park shelter. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have executed this Agreement the day and year first above written. -2- B CITY OF CHANHASSEN . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 April 6, 1989 Mr. Steve DeCatur 6645 Horseshoe Curve Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Steve: This letter is to update you on the progress that I have been able to make on my end concerning our discussions about Eurasian Water Milfoil. I have received a cost estimate from Anderson Signs, with whom the City does business, as follows: For a quantity of 40, 24" x 18", reflective, thick aluminum signs (similar to our crime watch signs), the cost would be . $30.50 each, plus an approximate cost of $10.00 per sign 90st (2 posts per sign required). Also attached is a card with information regarding this weed, whi~h was sent to me by Steve Coleman from the MnDNR. He sent me approximately 200, and I have a call into him to inquire as to whether we can get more or if we could reprint these. Lori Sietsema has advised me that she is only aware of five public accesses within Chanhassen. I feel, however, that we should purchase more signs so that they can be placed at all official and unofficial access ooints. She also advised me that she has checked with Shorewood ~nd Eden prairie regarding Riley and Christmas Lakes, and Stuart Fox at Eden prairie would be interested in working jointly, but that Shorewood has no one from the City involved in such a project. I am still of the opinion that our best approach at this point would be to consider posting signs and distributing literature to increase public awareness, while establishing a contingency fund to chemically erradicate the weed once it is observed. In all likelihood, any special fund would need to be included in the 1990 budget; however, action would need to be taken if it were discovered this year. . . . . Mr. Steve DeCatur April 6, 1989 Page 2 When you get a chance would you please call me, Steve. Thank you. Sincerely, Harr Assistant Public Safety Director SH:k cc: Don Ashworth, City Manager Jim Chaffee, Public Safety Director ~ Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator Bill Boyt, Councilman Ursula Dimler, Councilwoman G CITY OF CHAHHASSEH . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~ DATE: April 17, 1989 "7 SUBJ: Eagle Scout Project Request, Marty Schmidt Marty Schmidt recently contacted me looking for a project that would qualify as an Eagle Scout project. I offered a few ideas, and Marty was most interested in building wood duck houses, blue bird houses, and goose nesting platforms for Chanhassen Pond . Park. There is $400 allocated in the budget for this project; however, it is likely that additional funds will be needed. Marty will be preparing a cost estimate with his proposal. This item requires no action. However, if the Commission has any reservations about this project, this item should be placed on the agenda for Commission presentation. . . p CITY OF CHARHASSER 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 April 17, 1989 Mr. Scott Dummer 417 Santa Fe Trail Chanhassen, MN 55317 Re: Eagle Scout Project Dear Scott: . The City Council acted to approve your proposed project of a bridge for Chanhassen Pond Park at last Monday's meeting. One condition of approval; however, was to have the City Engineer look at the soils in the area to see if such will support the bridge. Please contact City Engineer Gary Warren at 937-1900 to review the project. Also, I understand that the Building Department has some concerns about the bridge sU9Porting park maintenance equipment. Please check with Dale Gregory to see what equipment he foresees taking over the bridge and what weight and width they are. At that point the Building Department (Steve Kirchman or Ron Julkowski) can help you to make adjustments if necessary. If any adjustments are made in the project and/or budget, please let me know as soon as possible. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to call me at 937-1900. Sincerely, doJU Lori Sietsema Park and Recreation Coordinator LS:k . e CITY OF CHANHASSEN . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 April 17, 1989 Mr. Chuck Schmidt 6843 Rolling Acres Road Excelsior, MN 55331 Dear Chuck: After our meeting last week about Marty's Eagle Scout project, I got to thinking there should be more planning for these projects. You indicated that there will be more scouts looking for projects within the next year. We are currently working on the 1990 budget. I would like to have the Park and Recreation Commission identify 4-5 potential projects and have funds allocated in the budget; however, park . funds are limited. Therefore, if you could take a head count and let me know how many scouts could realistically be looking for projects, we could plan for them more efficiently. This will expedite the process for both parties. Additionally, it would be helpful to have the list of require- ments for an Eagle Scout Project when we are planning. If you have such a list, I would appreciate a copy of it. Hopefully, I will be able to come up with a handout that out- lines the Eagle Scout Project procedure. If you have any questions, please call me at 937-1900. Sincerely, ~~ Lori Sietsema Park and Recreation Coordinator LS:k . t . DA Vii) L. GRANNIS - 1874-1961 DAVU> L. GRANNIS. )R. - 1910-1980 LA W OFFICJ;S GRANNIS, GRANNIS, I;ARRELl & KNUTSON PKOfESSIONAL ASSOClATl0N POST OffICE Box 57 403 NORWEST BANK BUILDING 161 NORTH CoNCORD EXOiANGE VANCE B. GRANNIS VANCE B. GRANNIS. JR.- PATRICK A. FARRELL DAVID L. GRANNIS. III ROGER N. KNUTSON DAVIl> L. HARMEYER SOUTH ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 55075 TELEPHONE (612) 455-1661 TnEc.;OPIEK; (612) 455-2359 ELLIOTT B. KNETSCH MICHAEL}. MAYER TIMOTHY J. BEKG April 11, 1989 'ALso AONrnw To PaACT'CI' IN WISCONSIN Mr. Don Ashworth Chanhassen City Hall 690 Coulter Drive, Box Chanhassen, Minnesota 147 55317 RE: Carrico Property Dear Don: . The City's Park and Recreation Committee has expressed an interest in acquiring an 11.67 acre parcel owned by Mr. Carl Carrico on Lake Lucy Lane for a park. At your request, I have reviewed the appraisal prepared by the landowner, the opinion of value prepared by an appraiser selected by the City, and have met with Mr. Carrico twice. Mr. Carrico's appraiser has estimated the market value of the property at $333,000. The City's appraiser estimates the value at $58,500. One of the reasons for such a large difference in opinion is that Mr. Carrico's appraiser assumed the property would be placed inside the MUSA line and the City's appraiser assumed it would not. Mr. Carrico has indicated that he would probably take $250,000 for his property. I told him that based upon our condemnation experience in the area the property might be worth as much as $10,000 an acre or $116,700. We are still miles apart. Before proceeding, I would like further instructions from you. Do you want me to continue negotiations or commence condemnation if we can't agree on a price? Very truly yours, GRANNIS, GRANNIS, FARRELL & KNUTSON, P.A. BY: Roger N. Knutson . RNK:srn// cc: ~ri Sietsema Carl Carrico ~ - -..... ,'0' ;...:-1 APR 1 3 1989 CITY OF CHANHASSEN CITY OF CHAHHASSEH 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Gary Warren, City Engineer FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~_ April 18, 1989 -;; DATE: SUBJ: Lake Susan Park The Park and Recreation Commission recently held a public hearing with Lake Susan residents to discuss park development plans. During that discussion there were concerns expressed regarding the holding pond and the drainage into the lake. I have attached the minutes with those concerns highlighted. Could you please respond to those items mentioned so that I can keep the Park and Recreation Commission updated? b. . . . Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 3 . PUBLIC HEARING: LAKE SUSAN PARK DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND BOAT ACCESS. Publ ic Present: Name Address Ed Weidmer Ronald & Cindi Tann Walter E. & Marian Paulson. Waynette Meier Al & Mary Klingelhutz 7031 Redwing Lane 8300 West Lake Court 8528 Great Plains Blvd. 8524 Great Plains Blvd. 8600 Great Plains Blvd. Sietsema: The Lake Susan Park plan is being presented tonight to the residents to get their input to see if they have any problems with the plan which is being done as part of the LAWCON grant process. I don't know if you are aware, we received preliminary approval for a LAWCON grant which is actually a State bonded grant to develop a Lake Susan Park and boat access which is located on the northwest side of Lake Susan where the park shelter is right now. The overall project is $220,000.00 project of which the State bond grant will cover 50% so it's $110,000.00 grant. The plan includes, once the Lake Drive goes in all the way to Powers Blvd., we'll be getting access off of that road similar to where we come around .f;rom the railroad tracks and come donw into the park now. This area right ,lere is the existing park shelter with the existing parking lot here. So coming in here there would be another parking area with 2 tennis courts and full sized ballfield, a basketball court and an area for a skating rink. The volleyball would stay where it currently is. As you travel further down there would be a turn around for a boat access just to the east of that stand of trees that's down there. If you look down from the park shelter right over here is a stand of trees, it would be to the east of that so it wouldn't be in the direct line of view from the park shelter. There are 2 handicap parking spaces down here. They would come back up and park up here and walk down. That keeps the bulk of the parking away from the lake minimizing the runoff and that kind of thing that goes directly into the lake. The other thing that the major part of the project is the trail system. It comes in along the access road into the park shelter and down and it goes around, this is the north side of the lake. This is the west side of the lake, so it would be along the full north and west side of the lake coming out in Lake Susan Hills West to their subdivision. At a future time that would come down further and go out between Lake Susan West and Chanhassen Hills and down to Lyman Blvd., if you can get all of those developments straight. That's it in a nutshell. The boat access is here and there would be a fishing pier down at this area where the creek currently comes out into the lake. We're talking about possibly doing some dredging there so that would be a good fishing area. And with that I will entertain any questions that you have. Al Klingelhutz: First question, how many boat trailer spaces are you ~'Oing to have for the lake? Sietsema: Five car-trailer spaces is what's required. It's a 190 acre lake. Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 4 ... . r Al Klingelhutz: That includes the 2 handicap? Sietsema: I,don't think so. I think the handicap is in addition to that. Al Klingelhutz: Now it's 1 space for each 20 acres of lake? Sietsema: Right and it's 98 acres so it's 100 acres. We're required to have 5 and they want handiaap available as well so we've got 7 total. 5 up here and 2 down here. Schroers: Are we limiting horsepower on the lake? Sietsema: No. This is a full trailerable access. Resident: Is it going to be cemented? Sietsema: It will be a concrete slab that goes in...that DNR specs out and when it's available. Boyt: Similiar to Lake Ann? Sietsema: Right and similar to what's at Lotus Lake as well. ~~l Klingelhutz: Is that going to be a pond, that circle? . Sietsema: Yes, this is a future ponding area and I really don't know if that's what it's going to look like or not. I don't think that that's all been determined. That's part of the street improvement so that the runoff that does come down from this area will settle out in this pond before hitting the lake. -iC~ln9Edhutz :.,:':';:;;..Part ofRosemourif~~Eng ineer lng' s"""'wate.t~o'rng~o"~me;;,j,.nt. that pond? Sietsema: I don't know that AI. Robinson: Where is the Rosemount building on the property? Sietsema: Rosemount would be, this is their property over here and they're about over here somewhere. Hasek: I would have to believe that Rosemount is probably required to pond their own storm drainage. Sietsema: I wouldn't even venture a guess. J wouldn't want to stick my neck out to tell you one way or the other because I honestly don't know. Mady: One thing I want to hear from the residents, something we did , 'ith Lotus Lake, with the boat access there, to attempt to minimize the . -c!mount of traffic that comes into the park is to make it illegal to park boat trailers on the street and in nearby streets so you are really restricting the access to basically 5, probably 5 trailer boats so we can Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 5 . minimize the effects on the lake as much as possible. I want to see what the residents here have any ideas, any thoughts on that because currently there's no restriction in the City unless we do like we did at the Lotus Lake area. Al Klingelhutz: Personally I think 5 boats with any amount of horsepower on that lake plus the boats that are owned by the residents are more than sufficient. Resident: If you see more than 2 boats out there that are potentially skiing or more than 40 or 50 horse, and it's dangerous out there. I guess my concern is how do you go about policing that? Does it police itself because they limit the number of boats or what the number of potential boats on the lake? Sietsema: We've had that question in other instances and what the DNR's response is that it does have a tendency to police itself because the more boats there are, the more people watch out more. People limit their activity if there's a lot of traffic on the lake so it doesn't, the statistics are that with increased traffic on the lake, it does not statisically show that there's increase of accidents. That's the response I've gotten from DNR. eC)chroers: Also, if there is a particular problem, the water patrol can be lotified and they will come out and patrol the lake. Sietsema: Yes, they have done that at Lotus and we have public safety working on working with the Carver County Sheriff Department to upgrade the amoung of water patrol we have in the City of Chanhassen now that we do have more public accesses on our lakes. Resident: A question I have. The trail system I think is fine. I think those of us on the lake along with the others are certainly going to be using that. That area right now is prone to beer parties. In fact walking along the north side of this lake several weeks ago, there must have been 50 cans and bottles thrown on the lake. What kind of clean up, what kind of responsibility is the City going to have to make sure that if there are parties over there or if there are other activities that create a mess, trash, litter, that will be cleaned up? Sietsema: I think that it's going to be more easily policed with an open park. Once it's open to the public all the time. The Sheriff's department will be able to drive through into the park without getting out and opening the chain and going along the little road. Also there will be other people in the park which tends to limit the amount of beer parties and that kind of thing. Also, the park maintenance crews will be at that park site more often as well. Resident: I'm not talking specifically the park. It's the trail system I auess that I'm more concerned about because that's where the activity eems to be occurring at this point. Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 6 ( . Sietsema: Also, right above this area is where Rosemount is going to be and if their development comes in, I would imagine that there would be more policing. But the trail system is part of the park system so our park maintenance crew will be policing litter and that kind of thing once that develops. Al Klingelhutz: I think I'd have to agree last winter before the snow got very deep, they were coming off of TH 101, the cars were and driving up that area where the shoreline went in and I think that's where the biggest problem was as far as beer cans and parties. They weren't coming in through the park so if there could be something put by TH 101 that cars couldn't come up that trail easement there, I think it would benefit an awful lot. Sietsema: I think that's a good idea. I don't see any problem with doing that. I don't think that would be a problem to put up some bollards or something in that area so that would... Resident: Yes, I think that's good. I think my concern is that there's enough city staff so if there is a litter problem that it's cleaned up before it gets into the lake. I took a half hour to throw the cans and the beer bottles and whatever at least back up on the land so that it wouldn't be floating around on the lake this spring but I didn't have {,nything to carry it beyond that, if they're still there. If that is a . ~roblem, if people aren't going to use it, they're finding beer cans and bottles and whatever thrown out in that area. Sietsema: Again, once the park is open and the trail system is in, I believe that our park maintenance crew will be spending more time in that area and policing it for litter and maintenance problems and that kind of thing. Schroers: additional particular that would litter and We have addressed that issue on the Commission and asked for an seasonal person and a vehicle of the type that would serve that purpose., I don't know exactly where we're at with that. If come on line this year or not but we are concenred about the would certainly want to keep it cleaned up. Hasek: It's also nice to hear that some of the neighbors are doing that. I live out on the other side of Lake Minnewashta and it's our neighborhood's responsibility every year to clean up from our Linden Circle all the way out to TH 7 in both directions where the snowmobile trail is. We've just kind of taken the responsibility for doing that every year...picking up cans of pop. Resident: Is there any discussion on limiting motors on lakes in Chanhassen? Again, I'm concerned about this being a small lake and the potential for the impact on the lake which a number of the large motor I boats or whatever on the lake. Is there or has there been any diScUSSiOn? ~ietsema: On this lake no there hasn't because what would happen is if we limit the boat size, the boat motor size, we have to limit, the residents have to be limited to that size motor as well. We can't limit just the Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 7 . public access users as far as motor size. That's a State law. We have no way of doing that and we have to comply with what DNR regulations are for this boat access to qualify as an adequate public access for the chain of lakes clean up project. And I don't know if you are all aware of that but that's one of the reasons why this became a priority for the City is that this watershed district, in conjunction with Eden prairie and the City of Chanhassen became eligible for a million dollar grant from the EPA, PCA and DNR for Lake Riley Chain of Lakes clean up project which involves Lake Lucy, Lake Ann, Lake Susan and Lake Riley. But the stipulation is that you have to have public access on each of the lakes so we needed access on Lake Susan and we're still working on Lake Lucy so that we will continue to be qualified for that funding. Resident: How long do you have to have the accesses put in before... Sietsema: We gave them a time line that they were agreeable to and we told them that we had the funding in line for this, for LAWCON and that this could be done in 1989 and that we would apply for LAWCON grants for the Lake Lucy access in 1989 for 1990 construction. So our time line is that we are supposed to have both accesses in and completed and in use by 1991. Resident: Has the Park Commission given any consideration for all the .1.akes in Chanhassen? Has the City...opening up for access to the milfoil roblem? Susan is 20 feet deep. We have that problem with the lake and we have no lake anymore. Are there any plans in the works that deal with that issue? Sietsema: There is a plan that the weed inspector is working with Steve Decater who's a resident on Lotus Lake who's very active in coming up with a plan that he's going to be presenting to the City and having money available to eradicate the weed if it's spotted and to get volunteers that live around the lakes and use the lakes to go out periodically and check for the weed because if you find it in a small patch, you can take care of it and get rid of it right away but if it's too big of an amount, it takes too much of a hold, then you've got to live with it and all you can do is harvest it. So what Steve is proposing is a plan that would get the lakeshore homeowners active in keeping an eye out for the weed. And the City would be involved in that in watching for it on our own property as well. Resident: I guess I would be more comfortable if that plan would be in place before we open up Lake Susan and other lakes for boat access. I guess I'd like to see those go hand in hand. Sietsema: The plan that he's proposing, he wants to be able to take to the City Council before the ice is off the lakes this year so I would imagine that... .esident: Does the City have money available to help eradicate the weed f it's found? Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 8 ( . Sietsema: I am not familiar with the details of how much money they're looking for or where it's going to come from because the weed inspector's been more closely involved with that. I can't tell you for sure that there's going to be money in 1989 available because our budget is already set for 1989 and it would take a budget adjustment and I'm sure what fund that would come out of so I'm not sure but I do know that the City Council is aware of it and concerned about it and eager to take some action to have something in place to be able to control it. I've heard that from them on a couple of occasions. Al Klingelhutz: sort of a control that they have to the propeller and Would it be appropriate to have in that ordinance some of any boats being transferred from one lake to another, be manually inspected as far as carrying any weeds on anchors and things? Sietsema: accesses. Well part of the plan is to have signs up in all the public I don't know if they're considering an ordinance or not. Al Klingelhutz: It just seems to me if there's an ordinance in effect stating that that wouldn't be allowed, even if it would be hard to check on it on every single boat that comes in, that it would alert the people to the fact that you can't do this. That if you're caught, there's a fine. (JChroers: would that Do you think that the City can adopt an ordinance like that or. . have to come from the State? Al Klingelhutz: I think the City could do it to pr.otect their lakes. Boyt: I think they tried to do that at one of our neighboring cities. Was trying to close all th~ir lake accesses this year. Schroers: We could probably make a recommendation to Council to check in to see, ask them the feasibility of that. Resident: My concern is that again there would be some policy in place before we move too far along with these types of projects. I guess I'm concerned not just with Lake Susan but the other lakes in Chanhassen because once it gets in one lake, the potential to spr.ead it is a lot greater. I guess it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be opening up a boat access without giving people consideration and consideration at the same time to deal with that problem because if that gets into Lake Susan, nobody's going to want to put their boat in there anyway. Sietsema: Again, the plan is for the Eurasian Water Milfoil plan to go to the City Council before the ice goes off and I'~ hearing what you're saying. Resident: It sounds like there should be more coordination between the . ( 'eed inspector and the parks commission because I think it's a problem ~chat certainly goes in both courts. Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 9 . Robinson: What would be the earliest possible time, if everything went smoothly, that this access would go in? Sietsema: It would be very optimistic to say that it would open in 1989. I think that it will be constructed in 1989 and not open until like the spring of 1990 because we haven't gotten final approval on the grant. We have to have an archeological survey done on the property. Then that has to go down to the National Park Service for approval for the whole grant process. Then we have to have the plans and specifications done and bids and go through that and all those have to be approved by Council along the way so it's every two weeks before you can get. I don't see us breaking ground until mid-summer and we will be trying to coordinate a lot of the work with the road construction and they're planning to do that in July, as I recall. Al Klingelhutz: I talked to Don yesterday on Lake Drive there and he didn't think that would be complete, he said we'd be lucky to have it completed by the 1st of October and it was more than likely it would be the first of November. Sietsema: Right, but they're going to be working on it so that when they do the grading along here, they can do some grading... .~l Klingelhutz: .Lake this year? But they won't be allowing any boats to come in to the Sietsema: No, I don't see this being open for boat access in 1989 at all. Al Klingelhutz: I guess there's another thing I have to bring up. I ~ brought it up before last year's City Council and you probably noticed it there yourself if you went out on the beach. The peninsula of black dirt that's forming in front of the creek and encroaching on the dock. -r-The r first thaw we had this year, I walked over to the other side of the lake , and there was water coming in from someplace tha t looked worse than mud.. ~~think the people living on the lake were horrified that they could see this black stuff on top of the ice over there. I think what happened is when.Rosemount Engineering did their grading, that they broke into a tile up~there someplace and water from that fresh pile of dirt... It threw the tile down into that ditch on the north side of the park that flows into the_~creek and comes out onto the lake. Schroers: So you're getting siltation, is that what it is or black dirt? Al Klingelhutz: There's a lot of siltation on top of the ice. Sietsema: Well I will make a note of that to the City Engineer and alert him to that. Al Klingelhutz: Since I saw it, I've been more watchful as far as where .:he sil tation is coming from. Monday I drove down CR 17 over where LakE! 'usan Hills has got that berm along the west side of the road. The day before that was all filled wi.th water. and after we got that l:'ain and it goes through that berm and all the water just gushed r.ight out of there. Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 10 ( . That's another place I think we're getting a lot of siltation from. Sietsema: I'll make a note of that to the inspectors too and the City Engineer...because we want to protect our lakes for sure. Al Klingelhutz: I'm a little bit concerned that Rosemount Engineering is going to put their ponding area. . Empak, where it's going to be built, directly north of Lake Drive. Where is all that, the Empak water, it's going to have to come through this area someplace? Sietsema: I don't have the answers on anything about Rosemount's water. I just don't know. I can ask the City Engineer to call you or get back to you on that and answer some of those questions but I myself don't know. Al Klingelhutz: I know we're suppose to be discussing the park but there's no need to having a park if the lake is ruined. Sietsema: That's right and that's why I will alert the engineer to what your concerns are and if you'd like me to AI, I can have Gary call you about that water runoff. Al Klingelhutz: I did mention it to Gerhardt last night was going to talk to him about it but I thought I should f")ark board here. \. Resident: You've got barriers going across the creek instead of along the creek over by the park, the barriers go across the creek. and he said he mention it to the . (A tape change occurred at this point.) Sietsema: I'll remind them to take a look at this. Al Klingelhutz: Not only remind them Lori. We want some action on that. We've been complaining about this for about a year now. Sietsema: Okay, I will definitely alert him. Are there any other comments or questions? Resident: What is the timing on this? Can the people use the park when it opens all night? All the time? Sietsema: No. Once the park is open on a regular basis, it will be opened at 7:00 in the morning and close at 10:00 at night is what the hours will be. Possibly 6:00 in the morning. Is it 6:00? Hoffman: 6:00 to 10:00. Sietsema: The DNR requires that the boat access be open 16 hours a day between 5: 00 in the morning and midnight so we have to leave it open for a. ( 'inimum amount of time for that boat access. So it would be 6:00 in the ~oorning until 10:00. Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 11 . Al Klingelhutz: Looking at that map, is that line just below the pond area, is that where the creek is? Sietsema: That's the interceptor. Al Klingelhutz: I guess my recommendation is to make that pond as big as possible because all of the industrial park comes down through there and Rosemount Eng ineering is going to come through there.. Empak is going to come through there and it's going to take an awful big sediment pond to take care of everything that's going to come through that area. I'm very concerned about the oil from the parking lots all coming into the lake. It's possible I think that some pond prior to it getting to the lake should have a skimmer on it.> Sietsema: They were talking at one time about putting some apparatus in this and I wasn't part of that conversation so I'm not sure of the details but we have a lot of room here to make this pond bigger than what is shown here because we're not planning to do anything as far as park facilities down in this area because it's wet anyway. The most we would do is try and mow it and make it look pretty. But I have a hunch that it's very likely that that pond will expand and then it will be quite natural around that area. Our focus is up, for park development is up in this area. .~l Klingelhutz: !lake? Would the creek run into the pond before it came into the Sietsema: Yes. I believe that is correct. Resident: Is the park going to be open year round so if you're a winter fishermen or whatever, you can drive through there and get on in the winter? Sietsema: I don't think there's any regulations from DNR on that. That would have to be something that Park and Rec and City Council would decide. I know on Lotus Lake it is open. Schroers: I think if it is declared a public access, it has to be open to the public. Sietsema: Yes, but I'm not aware of winter regulations as far as DNR is concerned. Resident: The question was more related to the City. Sietsema: That is the case in other parts so it's likely that it hasn't really been addressed so that could be something that got changed. Al Klingelhutz: One full ballfield. Two tennis courts did you say? eietsema: Two tennis courts. A full sized ballfield w~th 3?0 foot fence ine. Parking lot. Basketball court. Area for a skatIng rInk. The volleyball court is already in. This parking lot is in and the shelter there and well house and then the boat access and the fishing pier. Park and Rec Commission Meeting Mar.ch 29, 1989 - Page 12 r '\.. . Al Klingelhutz: You've got a lot of trees around that lower part. I know some of them are there already. What about the row of trees along the highway there at Lake Drive? On both sides? Sietsema: That's not a bad idea. There hasn't been a landscaping plan done for this yet. I don't know if you noticed at Lake Ann we have a row of trees around the ballfield and around parking lot screening those and we would do more landscaping in the park area too. Your concern was screening what's going to be across the road? Al Klingelhutz: I know it's going to be there already. It's a pretty good sized plant. In fact it looks like the first stages of it and I'm not against the plant going in there... Sietsema: I think that might be to the interest of the Park and Recreation Commission to do that too because I don't think park users are that crazy about looking at a big industrial building. Al Klingelhutz: The first phase of it looks like it's going to be about 90,000 square feet and the second phase is at least that big or bigger so you're looking at almost 5 acres on the roof. {'khroers: At our last meeting we did make a recommendation to the ~~lanning Commission to consider a buffer area there. . Sietsema: On this side and we could include it again on this side too. It'd be a pretty drive coming into the park. Al Klingelhutz: Did Rosemount or somebody give a little more land on the east end of the park? It looks like it's a little further than it used to be. Sietsema: Yes. This line used to come about here. There's 2 acres of a thin sliver which enabled us to move this boat access over here so we could leave this large stand of trees that's right here. Otherwise that probably would have been where we would have had to go so with their development, we required park dedication and an additional 2 acres to accommodate that boat access. And we do plantings around in this area too. If there's no other questions. Mady: One thing I'd like to, since we have a nice group of neighbors here who's interested in the park and live on the lake or near the lake, make sure, do we have a sign-up sheet Lori? Sietsema: Yes. Mady: Because every time when we talk about developing this park, as the grading plan comes in and you will probably find that it will come up on . ( 'he agenda from time to time, we will be able to notify you as to that ~eeting so if you think it's of interest to you, you can come in and let us know your feelings one way or the other on it. It's always important to get community information on items so we definitely encourage you to Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 13 . put your name and address down under the item you're interested in so you can be notified about that when it comes up to us. Sietsema: And for the public record too we would need your name and address if you could sign it. Schroers: I would like staff to update it as to the progress of what's going on. Mady: The one comment I guess I have on this item was the parking thing on the streets. It seems to work on Lotus Lake and recognizing their concern over the number of boats being on the lake, that might be a beneficial thing to do in that area too. To restrict off street parking for a boat trailer. Sietsema: I would recommend that we do that in a reaction stage rather than proactive because given the size of the lake, I just don't anticipate that there's going to be the heavy use of it. If it turns out that there is, I think that that would be the time to start putting the signs up to prohibit the on street parking. That's just staff's feelings. Mady: I guess my concern is to avoid the problem instead of waiting for it to occur and then having to react to it. That action seems to have ~'vorked on Lotus Lake. Boyt: It doesn't make us very popular when we do it the other way? Siestema: The only concern is that it's not a friendly looking thing to do for a park. Boyt: No parking? Sietsema: Yes. Hasek: Except I think what we're talking about is not how many p3rking, it's just parking boat trailers on the street so what we can do is probably put a sign up that says no boat trailer parking. Sietsema: Parking isn't our expertise. Hasek: That's true except when it's related to a recreational use area. Boyt: We can make a recommendation. Mady: Council's the one who does that. Hasek: I think waiting for something to break here before we fix it is not the right approach. Planning is suppose to have foresight to try to .take care of problems before ~hey happen and I think t~at's ~n excellen~ 'dea. If there's a way that It can be done, I'd certainly lIke to see It done. Only for the boats though. Not for public parking. Park and Rec Commission Meeting March 29, 1989 - Page 14 ( . sietsema: What I'll do is I'll ask engineering to review that and they can address that. Is that what you'd like to do? Mady: Okay. Any other comments? Hasek: Is there a possibility that a second hill would be able to be constructed between the pond and the existing ballfield or is that really extremely crummy soil in there? Siestema: No. It slopes. It's extreme slope and it's wet. When it gets down there, it's wet. We looked at that and there's no way. SITE PLAN REVIEW, COUNTRY SUITES. Sietsema: I have a big plan here. If you're interested, I can put it up. Mady: I wasn't real sure where the street was on this parcel. Sietsema: Okay, if you look at it, turn the page so the reading is the right direction. Across the top is West 78th Street and on what would be the west side would be Market Blvd.. Then it's an 84 room hotel and then you've got the existing buildings which would be where the old (.mA building. I'm sure you're familiar with that. . Boyt: I don't know, is it planning that would r.ecommend this but I'd like to see some green in here somewhere. Sietsema: This is not the landscape plan. This is just the site plan and part of the, I believe there's a section in the ordinance that requires so much green space or landscaping and that kind of thing and that is a planning issue and they would address. That doesn't prohibit us from recommending to the Planning Commission to double check it. Mady: It's a good comment because when I look at this, it just appeat"s the whole front of the building on West 78th Street is parking lot and since West 78th Street is our main street. Boyt: And we need a trail on West 78th Str.eet. parking right out to the street. It looks like there's Sietsema: We hav a sidewalk across the street. Boyt: But I would think in our downtown area... Sietsema: The trail plan for. the downtown area has a sidewalk on the north side of West 78th and then si.dewalks along the buildings on the south si.de. It doesn't go up along the street. For bike traffic, it along the south side of the bowling center and then up that way. goes ( -Masek: So connection new hotel? then really only maybe our main concern is that there is a walk. along the bowling side between the existing building and the