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1987 04 07 Agenda e e e AGENDA PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, APRIL 7, 1987, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE 1. 2. 3. Call to Order. Minutes of March 3, 1987. Introduction of the Park and Recreation Assistant, Todd Hoffman. 4. Site Plan Reviews: A) North Lotus Lake 1st Addition, Bloomberg Companies, applicant B) South Bay, James R. Hill, Inc., applicant C) West Village Townhomes, William Jacobson applicant D) Curry Farms, Centex Homes, applicant 5. Request to install lights and park benches at Minnewashta Heights Park, Mike Schacterle. 6. Update of City Council action on A. Park Needs Survey B. Fourth of July Fireworks C. North Lotus Revisions D. Saddlebrook 7. 1986 Goose Control Program Review 8. Review Preliminary Trail Plan. 9. Review Potential 1987 LAWCON Application Projects. (0. * * * Lake Ann Shelter Phase I Development and Lake Lucy Access Lake Susan Boat Access, Fishing Dock, Trail, Access Road, Grading Chanhassen Estates Trails to Connect Chanhassen to Chaska Schools * * R.'i?~~ I} }juhi,.., ~~ e 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 CITY OF CHAlfHASSElf MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator 1 ~ -2(', DATE: March 20, 1987 SUBJ: Park and Recreation Assistant e Attached please find the employment application and resume of Todd Hoffman. I have hired Todd for the Park and Recreation Assistant position, which is a budgeted temporary position. Todd will be handling most of the programming and helping with running events. Upon your approval, Todd will work 24 hours per week at $4.50 per hour for 24 weeks. LS:v e 3 . . . . . . EDUCATION AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS Todd Joseph Hoffman 14725 Portland Avenue S. #304 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 435-2978 e - Mankato State University Major: Recreation, Parks, and Leisure Services Emphasis: Resource Management Graduation: March 1987 Practicum: Suburban Hennepin Regional Park District Administrative Intern - Mankato State University, RPLS Club Scholarship Award for 1985-1986. - Mankato State University Dean's List - Winter 1983, Fall 1985, Winter 1986. - Suburban Hennepin Regional Park District - Outstanding Dedication and Service Award, March 12, 1987. CAREER OBJECTIVE - Administrative position in a Public Park System EMPLOYMENT ACTIVITIES SPECIAL SKILLS REFERENCES - Dave Pfeffer Construction, Mankato, Minnesota. Carpenter/Laboror in construction of homes, remodeling, concrete work, and construction of grain bins. Senior member of work crew. Full-time Summer/Fall 1982-1986. - Orr's Farmer Seed and Nursery, Mankato, Minnesota. Salesperson for all areas of store. Responsible for inventory, ordering, and maintenance of pet department. December 1985-May 1986. - Pillsbury Green Giant Company, Montgomery Minnesota. Production line work. Secured advancements in the two months of employment. August-September 1984. - Miscellaneous - Carpenter's Assistant, Al Hoffman Construction Company. Summer 1981. Self-employed residential painter (partnership). Salesperson for Aqua Terra Pet Store. Part-time 1977-1979. e - Member Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association Member Mankato State University Alumni Former Executive Member of Mankato State University RPLS Club Outdoor recreation and travel - Strong leadership qualities; high level of organizational skills; advanced carpentry and masonary skills. - Douglas Bryant, Division Manager, Hennepin Parks 8737 East Bush Lake Road, Bloomington, MN 55438 - Mankato State University, Department of Recreation, Parks, and Leisure Services, Mankato, MN 56001 - Dave Pfeffer, 219 Glen Ellen Road, Mankato, MN 56001 e e I-- Z <t () - -! a.. a.. <( e ~ ~ W J- - (f) e CITY 0 F CHANHASSEN PRC. DATE: April 7, 1987 C.C. DATE: April 20, 1987 CASE NOd: b87-17.SUB ~ Prepare y: Sletsema:k STAFF REPORT 40., PROP.OSAL : Subdivision of 4.88 Acres into Twelve Single Family Lots LOCATION: Outlot A, North Lotus Lake Addition Southeast corner of Pleasant View Road APPLICANT: Herb Bloomberg P.O. Box 100 Chanhassen, MN 55317 PRESENT ZONING: RSF, Residential Single Family ACREAGE: 4.88 acres DENSITY: 2.46 ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE: N- S- E- w- PUD-R; Pleasant View Rd./Near Mountain RSF; future city park PUD-R; Fox Hollow RSF; single family residence EXISTING PARKS: North Lotus Lake Park (18 Acres) is directly south of the proposed development~ COMPREHENSIVE PLAN: Because of the close proximity to North Lotus Lake Park the Comprehensive Plan does not identify this as a park deficient area. However, possible trail connections should be obtained to connect the park to other existing trails. The 1990 Land Use Plan does not outline specifically where trails should be placed within a subdivision. . . . North Lotus Lake Park April 7, 1987 Page 2 e BACKGROUND The proposed parcel was at one time park land owned by the City. In efforts to provide access to Lotus Lake, the City exchanged this parcel with Mr. Bloomberg for a parcel at the south side of the lake. Due to the development being adjacent to North Lotus Lake Park, it is not recommended that park land be obtained. Ideally, a trail along the eastern boundary of the development would tie into the trail proposed in the park plan. This is undesirable, hoewver, due to the drainage area along that border. Therefore, alternative trail routes should be looked at, such as along Pleasant View Road along the west and north sides of the develop- ment. Another option would be to acquire a trail easement along the cul-de-sac and between Lots 5, 6 and 7 to Pleasant View Road. This is least desirable as easements between lots can potentially create problems in the future. 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Eden Prairie, MN 55344 Charles James 6640 Shady Oak Rd., Suite 500 Eden Prairie, MN 55344 PRESENT ZONING: R-12, High Density Residential ACREAGE: 24.1 acres ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE: N- Proposed R-12; vacant S- BG; vacant commercial ~ ~ W I- - C/) E- OI; School, Fire Station, City Hall w- R-12; vacant high density residential EXISTING PARKS: The proposed development lies within the service area of City Center Park, Chanhassen Elementary Playground and Chanhassen Pond Park. This is not a park deficient area. The trail plan currently under development shows an off-street trail along Kerber Blvd. e . . . Park and Recreation Commission Page 2 BACKGROUND This property lies south of Saddlebrook, which was reviewed by the Commission last month. The City Council requested an off- street trail along Kerber Blvd. in the development. The same request should be made of this developer as well to continue that trail. RECOMMENDATION This office is recommending that the City acquire an off-street trail easement along Kerber Blvd. and to accept park fees in lieu of park land. e e e I I \ot:!j~ ~,'1~\li-q\fioq'~~ l\~! :T'- ~i~~ \'\~~\ _I~\ ;'~~~~""~I: L ~~~~ ..~ I,.; .'E~;n.~) DUD 1-~ . lA ~~ ~\ -R 1 -- ~\ ~ , '..L ~. -T. >-- .... \lVXJ -/ ~~ooo ~ v' J I l' J-J. ';. ~ ct. c.) , ,J -LAKE ANN ,~,;lI'.._~~F.; J if, ~( "7 ~ 4 J('~ (j Rr~ Ii '-} J l R~...I~ll ~11t~/- ~ i'... '- ,:;,>, \ \ ~ 6A R1"l _ '" ,liJ.J... ') . L Aoi~ '-SA . J r ill RR O~GU CF Pec~-a-J i ~ ~ ~\\lI?lo...l 0 s,/JE, ~ "E ~~ ~ r;~~I;~~;, '-)~R~f~;~ 01 ~ r ,1 ~ . ~ 'J ~ 1I0ULEYARD 1I~~ ~\ ",--~ 1,:1'1:1 '8 ST \ ~~.-%--. ~~ BG /L ~ ~ ~C "T ~~ ./ ~ 1i4 pOfoR~ ~BD . l/ V ~ j rJj . __ ~ j . !Ill, ~- BG __ . / ./ p~C,r,r ~ ~~, . '\ -' V___ ,~ -1~~ r.. ~ lOP \-Ol.~ ~K.~ \ ':l- _., - ...~ ',\('1-. ~i J ~ -~ TI:\J 1/ .tJ ~ ' ~ ~) i:..L:J .,'1 f~ ~- ~,~ ~,~:'~<,:."\,-- J R 12 '/ ~i! ".'. . . .".~ . I '.' :~~~" ~ I ,." - .. 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'......- e CITY OF CHANHASSEN PRC DATE: 4-7-87 C.C. DATE: CASE NO: . Prepared by: L. Sietsema STAFF REPORT Ltd. PROPOSAL: To subdivide 56 acres of land into approximately 81 single family lots. .... Z ~ U - -.J a.. a.. <( e LOCATION: North of Lake Lucy Road approximately 500 feet west of County Road 17 APPLICANT: Centex Homes Corporation Thomas Boyce 5959 Baker Road, Suite 300 Minnetonka, MN 55345 PRESENT ZONING: RSF - Single Family Residential District ACREAGE: 51.3 Acres DENSITY: . ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND USE: N- RSF- Residential Single Family ~ ~ W I- -- (J) S- RSF- Residential Single Family E- RSF- Residential Single Family w- Rural Residential District EXISTING PARK/ OPEN SPACE: tit COMP PLAN: There are no parks in the immediate area. An on-street trail is to be constructed with the Lake Lucy Road improvements. The Comprehensive Plan identifies this as a park deficient area where priority . . . Centex Homes Subdivision February 10, 1987 Page 2 e should be given for a 5 to 10 acre park if development should occur. The 1990 Land Use Plan does not identify a specific par- cel in the area for potential park/open space. BACKGROUND This proposal is located in the northern section of the City in the urban area. Attention should be given to the acquisition of a 5 to 10 acre neighborhood park. The developer is planning to provide a 6.38 acre park within the development. The area shown on the plan is currently two deteriorated wetlands, part of which the developer plans to restore. Staff indicated to the developer that the City may be looking for no less than 5 acres of active park land in this development that would accommodate facilities such as tennis courts, a ballfield, and a totlot. The developer has agreed to fill and grade the park area so that will be suitable for active park uses. It is questionable, however, whether the area within the 6.38 acres that is not slopes or ponds, is equal to 5 acres. The developer has also agreed to develop the park and is willing to work with the Park and Recreation Commission as to the facili- ties to be included. The plan includes sidewalks/trails along one side of the major streets within the development which the developer will construct as well. Park credit should be given for this dedication and should be negotiated with the developer, staff and City Council. e The developer will be attending the meeting to answer any questions the Commission may have and to gain your input. Although wetlands are often considered open space, the City should be assured that the land acquired for park purposes is developable, giving little or no credit for the wet areas. RECOMMENDATION It is the recommendation of this office to accept park land with at least 5 acres suitable for active use, the off-street trails through the development along the major streets, and the develop- ment and construction of such as directed by the City~ and that a park dedication credit be given as negotiated by Council and the developer. e e ," , ) / r IV<; 'L) -(/ o goo 0 g ~ '2 i ~ ~ ~ T ,I ((! ~ ~HRIST~AS IJ I I ~~ 1.^"'~ - r LAKE ~~ 7 ~~IL~a<<' ~ r' RD,dl-'" / ~ ~ 'l;REEK ~ ~_ /~ . .' -I....;A -0- ~ ~ -:{f~V!J~-<r\\ ----.J llllno I _ST l \ \!~:. A~-.;: L;r:l~~ I -, JL ~ I ~ ,,\\ ~I ~r....& ~ j =;{~~~ ,!.!.~"\(\ ~ d ~ "io<.. ~-' _:r- ,:!,"I '\ V ., )4~R-I~, ,~.; R-I~ &e~~. IIU~ ~~~ ,~ I' ~\. J.. - ~-~, /~\:J. 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I ~...\ f h...JJI~"""- 1 1- ~ ~' ~10 ~/Wlh l ~_I^ I ~~~ ~'\.:~ - v 0 o 0 r t III e:! tm r >- o 0 o 0 .. tt) -,. T UILAC LANE E o o U) 1 o ~ 0 I ~~ HENNEPtNI \ CARvt." 1. ( ...... , I- P-I -o#~-'. ,.- \~ v \! /i ;~ ~-; - :....; 2 ~ o >- ~ (. (- e LAKE ANN I( RD :/ " l)iJ '1/ \.. ~/~, .. '. .'.. /i .1 '," I ; .". 1:' .' .' ~,.}..... ~.:-t,._. 1/'~o.t7 . C ITV 0 F c:c: ~~~f- CHAHHASSEH · 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema w DATE: April 3, 1987 RE: Park facilities request at Minnewashta Heights . Attached is a letter from Mike Schacterle requesting 2 park benches and lights at Minnewashta Heights Park. Minnewashta Heights is a 2 acre park with tot lot equipment, volleyball court and ice rink. The residents feel that lights in the park are necessary as there are few street lights in the area. e There would be no problem with bringing park benches to this park. There are a number of benches at Lake Ann Park and 2-3 could easily be transplanted. NSP can install lights on the existing pole in the park and will charge the City roughly $5-$10 per month for their operation. It is the recommendation of this office to approve this request by taking 2 park benches from Lake Ann and having NSP install 2 lights on the existing pole. Update (4-7-87): The Park and Recreation Commission felt this --as a ~ow cost item that could be handled in-house very easily. They d1rected staff to contact NSP to have lights installed and to move 2 benches from Lake Ann Park to Minnewashta Heights. ~ . e e e e Mc:"wch 4, 1987 . Ms. Lori Sietsema Park Commission City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317 Re: lwo park lights and two benches for Minnewashta Heights City F'at'-k Dear Ms. Sietsema: I have been asked to represent the seventy homeowners In the Minnewashta Heights Association. Our Association would like to request two over-head park lights and two benches for the public park in the Minnewashta Heights area. The homeowners would like to see the lights there because of the ice skating rink and the play ground t::~qu:i prnE'nt'," . Our Association feels this is a reasonable request as we have very few street lights in this area. If \/OLl ha.'v'E:0 "my qUE.~s;t:ic:ms, please fE7el fn=~e in contacting me pF:.'I'"sonall '/. .;;:k)Y:Z~Jkq Mike Schachter-Ie RECC:-.-::::::l MAR 0 5 iJ87 . CITY OF CHANtiA:;,~t:.N Park and Rec Commission Meeting April 7, 1987 - Page 8 ~dY: So that's really the first part of development then? acquired off-street trail easement along the proposed road. The City e Mady moved, Hasek seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends that the City place an off-street trail easement along the west side of Kerber Blvd. in the existing road right-of-way and to accept park fees in lieu of parkland. All voted in favor and motion carried. William Jacobson: I was not really aware of park fees in lieu of land but I would happy to give you 180 feet of land there in place of fees if you would let me create a tennis court or something down there. Or if you would like to just have it as dedicated park space. Lynch: We're normally pretty selective and are becoming more so about what land we pick up based on our overall key program for the city. I don't know if you caught that initially, Lori was mentioning that you are across the street from or close to being across the street from the Chan Pond's nature area. You're just down the street from the Meadow Green area and one of the closer subdivisions to Lake Ann and across the street south is the City Center so based on that, we're saying no, we would rather have the money. QUEST TO INSTALL LIGHTS AND PARK BENCHES AT MINNEWASHTA HEIGHTS PARK, MIKE~ .HACTERLE. - Robinson moved, Hasek seconded to approve installing lights and park benches at Minnewashta Heights Park as consistent with Staff's recommendation. All voted in favor and motion carried. SITE PLAN REVIEW: CURRY FARMS, CENTEX HOMES, APPLICANT. Sietsema: Basically, the proposal is north of Lake Lucy Road. It's in a park deficient area and an area that the Comprehensive Plan identified as one of the neediest areas for neighborhood parks. It suggests that the City look at a 5 to 10 acre park within each neighborhood that comes in in this area. There are a lot of small lots all the way along that northern piece or small parcels that are going to be divided into 3, 4, 5 or 6 acres and we're not going to have a chance to get a real nice neighborhood park so when a big parcel comes in like this, we want to jump at the chance to get our decent sized neighborhood park. Hasek: This is within the MUSA line isn't it? Sietsema: Yes, it is. It is urban. The developer is planning to provide a 6.3 acre park which is located in this area here. The area here and the .ea here are two deteriorated wetlands and what they are planning to do is 11 that in and have some drainage ponds. I think the drainage ponds are e e e e 10 CITY OF CHARHASSER . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation coordinator~ April 1, 1987 FROM: DATE: SUBJ: City Council Action on Park and Recreation Items A. Park Needs Survey: The City Council acted to approve the Park Needs survey as recommended (see attached minutes). The survey has been distributed with lists of people to be called. I would like to thank all of the Commissioners for their help in making phone calls and also encourage you to keep at it. We need to have the phone calling done by Monday, April 13 if we want survey results at the May meeting. . B. Fourth of July Fireworks Contract: The City Council awarded the 4th of July fireworks contract to Banner Fireworks Display Company as recommended. C. North Lotus Lake Park: At the March meeting, the Commission rejected a proposal to revise the North Lotus Lake Park plan that would wind the access road around the tennis court. Staff prepared a new proposal that include tight curves to deter traffic, yet did not interfere with park users. This alternative (attached) was supported by Fox Hollow residents and was approved by the City Council. Saddlebrook: The City Council acted to accept trails along Kerber Blvd., Powers Blvd., and the main streets within the development as recommended by the Commission. In addition, the Council accepted the 2i acres proposed for parkland along the north boundary of the development, for a credit in the park dedication fees to be negotiated. D. . 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'-..... --- /' ,/ / / / / " ,/ / I I / \ \ \ \ I \ \ \ \ / \ / fi " ......./ .\\ '-SO~\Op~ ;' / I ...- ~ ./ ,..... j / J / J / / II' / / - .. ./ / - / I I I / J / :r- I' I e ( . \ City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 12. Submit to the City Engineer and Watershed District an acceptable erosion control detail prior to construction of the storm and sanitary sewer connections proposed for the drainage area north of OUtlet C. 13. Dust control measures be undertaken should they be needed. 14. That the City Engineer review drainage into Chan pooo aoo if he deems it necessary to change that, to modify it. 15. Erosion control protection of the City protected wetlaoos on the east boundary to be approved by the City Engineer prior to construction. All voted in favor and motion carried. APPROVAL OF 1987 LIQUOR LICENSES. Don Ashworth: City Council has the proposed 1987-88 liquor licenses. They really are the same as previous years. We did not receive Bluff Creek Golf Course Association for non-intoxicating at time of preparation of this report. That has been received. It does conform to the Ordinance. Should Council act to approve the other applications, we would also recommend approval of that one. Councilman Horn moved, Mayor Hamil ton seconded to approve the 1987-88 liquor licenses as recommended by the City Manager. All voted in favor and motion carried. %REVIEW REVISIONS TO THE NORTH LOTUS LAKE PARK PLAN. Lori Sietsema: I'm just going to give you an upjate on what the Park and Recreation Commission did and then let Mark address the different options. Park and Recreation Commission reviewed an alternative as directed by the City Council to move the entrance of the North Lotus Lake Park so it would wind around the tennis court creating a difficult journey straight into the Fox Hollow subdivision. The Park and Recreation Commission reviewed that and felt that the plan did not make for a good park plan. They didn't like the idea of the driveway winding around the tennis court and they felt that alternatives could be come up with that would make for a better park plan aoo also serve the concerns that the Council had. With that motion we asked Mark to corne up with some other designs aoo he has done so for this evening. Councilman Horn: other than what was presented to the Park and Rec? 99 . . Lori Sietsema: Right, these alternatives have not been seen by Park and Rec. Mark Koegler: As a follow-up to that meeting, we looked at the whole thing. I think I have in your packet a sketch of the follow-up result of that meeting. Since then we have another one that is just a minor derivation. For . point of reference, Pleasant View Road sits down here, the Fox Hollow Drive 19 too . . . City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 connection, the 'right-of-way goes through this portion of the property, Mr. Bloomberg's is proposing a development on this section. This is essentially the existing cul-de-sac that is there right now. The previous plan, as you recall, brought a driveway in, around the tennis court, back around and looping to the north. The Park Commission at it's meeting expressed some concerns about essentially taking an active facility and ringing it with what is a driveway. It was interpretted by some as somewhat of a street system. As an alternative to that, it's possible to bring what we have shown as a 20 . foot park road drive through. You would wind through on a rather sequei tous fashion. We would also recommend that we use some fairly heavy landscaping throughout to cut sight lines through both ways and then in the center here we would show that there would be six parking spaces which would be identified again as primarily to serve the tennis court area. The driveway itself is designed for a speed limit of about 10 mph maximum. Anything over that is not going to be terrifically comfortable and it is designed to accommodate all of the City snowplowing equipment during the winter months. We have proposed that as an alternative to the plan that was previously prepared and given to the Park and Recreation Commission. This type of an option was discussed in generalities with that group and this seemed to be the direction they were heading and they have representatives here this evening and perhaps they could provide any changes. ~ Councilman Geving: Is this a derivation of Alternate #2? Mark Koegler: Yes it is. That's a good point. The second alternate put the park in this area. It came out here essentially and we had the option of putting it in either way. This one obviously has the benefit of providing better surface ties to the tennis court that it is designed to serve. The only other point that I would add is that this still does give us the same flexibility which has always been in the plan for eventual landscape buffering up in this portion so we can help assist the buffering between residents and the tennis court area. I can answer any questions that you might have. i Mayor Hamilton: Did you consider moving the tennis court as far towards the cul-de-sac as possible? Mark Koegler: I would call it essentially north'to the left and just make a reference to the left. The tennis court positioning on the original plan was actually right about where the parking lot is right now. Mayor Hamilton: But I'm saying if we left them in the same direction they were, I guess they still aren't. Mark Koegler: They still face the same direction. Mayor Hamilton: Just move the tennis courts as far over as you possibly can, actually into the road right-of-way arrl still have the road arourrl it, you wouldn't be going around it quite as much but I still like the deterrent that you get by driving arourrl that. . Mark Koegler: That's a possible scenario. What you actually do is right now, the previous plan I've got a donut hole with the tennis court in the middle 20 / r Ie 1 e f e '- City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 10'" - ~. and now you're making a bigger donut hole. You're still surrounding the . facility itself with a driveway system and that specifically is what the Park Commission was not particularly in favor of. I'm reasonably comfortable with landscaping the curvatures and I think the City Staff had indicated that if need be some stop signs will be added, that that movement can be controlled through there. Councilman Geving: I like the parking better on, let's call that Alternative #3. I like the parking on that better than what you had on #2 and I think that circuitous route that you showed on the original plan and the one that the Park and Rec PeOple didn't really like, I don't particularly like. It certainly accomplishes the objective we set out which was to make it difficult to get through there. I think I can go with Alternative #3. Mark Koegler: I should add t~at Alternative #3 also will minimize any disruption to the new residential lots that we've platted off of that cul-de- sac so that gives us the best setback distance from those lots as well. Councilman Geving: How about the road that Bloomberg would put in there on the north portion of his plan? Mark Koegler: You can just catch a corner of that here. That runs from off of Pleasant View and turns in and terminates in a cul-de-sac. Councilman Geving: So he could get in off of this park drive? Mark Koegler: Yes. This would access off of his new road that he would put in. Don Ashworth: Except you should note again that there would be two lots off of that cul-de-sac that would come off of that existing. Councilman Boyt: Mark, have you gotten any feedback from the neighborhood on their reaction to Alternate #2 or #3? Mark Koegler: To my knowledge, they perhaps are seeing that for the first time this evening. The reaction from the neighbors that were present at the Park Commission meeting were very much against the ringing of the road because they felt, I think probably rightfully so, that it would have a fairly substantial impact on their rearyard situation. This would take care of that particular concern. Councilman Boyt: Lori, have you heard anything? Lori Sietsema: I haven't gotten anybody that has come in to look at this plan but I do know, as Mark stated, at the Park and Rec Commission meeting that one of the residents did propose something similar to this so they didn't want the road to go around the tennis court. Mayor Hamil ton: Are there any residents here that want to comment on this? 21 . . 102 . . . City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 Jeff Hall: 41 Fox Hollow Drive which is just as you come in off of TH 101. My main concern with extending Fox Hollow out is mostly just traffic control. Whether you do it with a park drive or whatever, I still have a concern that Fox Hollow Drive is a straight shot until you get to the cul-de-sac. I have a 3 year old son who loves to run around the yard and has a tendency to like to run out into streets and basically my concern is if we made Fox Hollow Drive just a unappealing road with 4-way stops every so often. Right now the construction traffic goes through there lickety split and just a couple of 4-. way stops where I'm at, which is on the corner of Fox Hollow and Grey Fox at the top of the hill, a 4-way there and a 4-way I believe it's down another 2 blocks, there's another juncture down there, another 4-way stop just to control the speed of the traffic coming through there. Whether you extended the road on not, I don't think was the big problem. '!he big problem was how do you control the traffic flow? -f Bob Cunnard: 120 Fox Hollow which is right down at the bottom of the S-curve. I have three children so I have concerns but I like this approach myself because I think it will stop traffic from coming through and at the same time give us the access to get out if we want to that way. That's what I like about it. I do have a concern like he did about the traffic coming down fast and that's maybe the big issue. Dave Fel thouse: 6557 Grey Fox Curve and that would be just approximately over the corner of the tennis court. I like this park proposal because it does give us access through and it also will slow down traffic to practically a crawl which should eliminate any safety hazards. I was the one who was there at the Park and Rec Commission meeting and I didn't care for the other alternative going around the tennis courts due to noise and lights and stuff in our backyards and along that area but I don't see any problem with this from the neighborhood standpoint. . Jerry Johnson: I live at 6561 which is right on the east side of the tennis courts and my question is, there is a substantial stand of trees along the tennis courts and I was wondering what the plan was for those. Whether those are going to be moved? Mark Koegler: That area itself does not have a substantial amount of trees. Jerry Johnson: Right along the east side of the tennis courts there are quite a few trees. Right on the lot lines between the park. Mark Koegler: The lot line itself is approximatly 50 feet from the tennis court. There is a swale that goes right through there approximatey a year and a half ago and again, I would differ that there is a substantial tree stand in there. I don't know if we're talking about the same location or not. Jerry Johnson: Right on the lot lines. I'm on Lot 24. Right along here there are qui te a few trees. From my lot, Lot 24 over to this corner.. Mark Koegler: As indicated before, there was a drainage swale that was cut all the way through here to about that point previously. We will not be doing any disturbance along that. ~ 22 / i r :, 1 e I . \, 103 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 Councilman Boyt: It sounds to me like the neighborhood supports the last alternative. Orignally I was against this going through at all because Fox Hollow Drive is narrow, the houses have a 25 foot setback, there are no sidewalks but if the neighborhood can live with Alternative #3, I can live with it. . Councilman Johnson: Is this going to be a platted street? I would like to see this as a driveway. As a park access road or something but not as a platted street. Many years ago in my wild youth I was ticketed in Texas for taking a shortcut through an area like this where normal driving through a non-platted street to avoid intersections, at least in the State of Texas is illegal and I believe that it would be here. Therefore, if traffic does start to utilize this driveway, private driveway, it's a city owned driveway that we could, I want to make sure that we could enforce, if you're not going there to play tennis. If you're going there to take it as a shortcut through if it's now a platted street. Mayor Hamilton: 'll1en what you're telling the neighbors is if they do that and drive through there we give them a ticket? I don't think that's what the neighbors want. Councilman Johnson: Do the neighbors want to use this as platted to drive through too? Don Ashworth: Itls not a platted street. This section in through here is not . a platted street. It's being treated as a driveway. It will be a driveway. Councilman Johnson: It would be built to City street set standards? Don Ashworth: No, it's going to be built as a driveway. A narrow width. Councilman Johnson: I mean as far as base and stuff. If it start getting heavy use, are we going to see it deteriorate? Don Ashworth: No, this will accommodate vehicular traffic to allow for snow plowing, etc.. Councilman Boyt moved, Mayor Hamilton seconded to approve Alternative #3 as recomended by Mark Koegler for the Fox Hollow Drive extension and North Lotus Lake Park. All voted in favor and motion carried. ~ REVIEW PARK NEED SURVEY. Lori Sietsema: Park and Recreation Commission reviewed the survey that was included in your packet. It's a final proposal. They had some questions and concerns and discussed them and decided at the end that it was a good survey. It will be a telephone survey so it's written in telephone script. It's estimated that it takes about 5 to 7 minutes depending on how much discussion the person being surveyed generates. The Park and Recreation Commission has volunteered to make the phone calls as well as some temporary help that I have, myself and Pat. Pat is not here tonight and I apologize for that. I . 23 104 . . . City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 don't know what happened to him but I think I'm prepared to answer any questions that you might have. The Minutes relate any discussion that was in the Park and Recreation Commission had and outlined their questions and concerns. tI Mayor Hamilton: The concern I have is we're asking questions and asking people if they found too many of this, not enough or too few about things that we obviously don't in some cases even have any of. Jogging trails, we don't have jogging trails and you're going to ask sanebody if we have too many? Councilman Geving: They will respond too few. That's what you want. Lori Sietsema: It will give us an imication of whether they want them or not. It will eventually give us an imication of if they want them or not. Mayor Hamil ton: I guess I couldn't see that asking a question that you already know the answer to is going to give you anything. I would guess you maybe have a hard time finding people who want to talk to you. Lori Sietsema: We will be advertising in advance that we are making these calls and I think there are enough people who are interested in what's happening wi th parks and will take the time. I may be wrong but I don't think we're going to have a big problem with that. We'll be letting them know ahead of time that it does take 5 to 7 minutes and ask them if they have the time and if they don't, then we won't pursue it wi th them am make another call. . Councilman Horn: I think it said in here that they would need about six hours per day but I miss somewhere what the hours would be. Lori Sietsema: They will be in the evening. Councilman Horn: I hope you don't call over the dinner hour. Lori Sietsema: No. It will probably start around 7:00 until 9:00 or 9:30. Councilman Boyt: Is it fair to assume that Pat maybe tested this survey out on a few people? Lori Sietsema: Yes, he did. Councilman Boyt: Okay, then I'm comfortable with that. I guess the question that I have, I've talked wi th a few people about their interest in being surveyed and I think we're going to find that there is quite a bit of interest out there am people are going to want their opinion counted. I'm a 1i ttle concerned that 340 households, although it seems like a great many if I was making the phone call, seems like a very small percentage of the ones we have. Was Pat real comfortable that that was the right number or was it limited by just the number of callers we had? Lori Sietsema: No, the number of callers wasn't taken into consideration at all. He did a lot of research with Met Council am the surveys they had done in the late 70's and early 80's when there was fuming for that, they did a ~ 24 I ~ :e I e r e " 105 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 number of them, and he also contacted other cities that have done surveys and with his statistics professors at St. Thomas, he felt that that would give us a clear reading. . Councilman Boyt: I think it's an excellent piece of work and I'm real excited to see what the answers are. Councilman Geving: I think the survey is very good. A vast improvement over what we saw before. There are a couple of questions however. I'm wondering if we aren't repeating or getting ahead of ourselves, particularly now on the communi ty center. We have a committee set up to survey that and we're going to hopefully get to the point where we are going to move ahead in that area anyway, I'm wondering if that is a significant question. If you are thinking of some items that we might want to trim from this. en the other hand, I could possibly see that if you have an overwhelming yes here that might just spur this committee on and say, hey let's get moving too so maybe I'll leave that one for now. Item 10, and I think in terms of the need survey here, what is the value of asking someone for example of whether or not they want to increase the services, reduce the services or pay for the services with user fees? I'm not so sure that the user really wants that at this point. We don't need that at this point in the user survey. We're trying to find out the kinds of interest that are out there and the kinds of activities that we should or should not be providing. We're going to provide them if the need is there, I susPect this Council will vote to fund that whether it comes out of user fees or we fund it out of the general obligation so I'm not so sure that I would particularly like item 10 or for example asking a person their age. I don't know how significant that is going to be if you ask a person at the end of your survey whether they are 17 or under, or over 60? If you're going to try and correlate that somehow that would be one thing but I don't know how you're going to bring this all together to make that response meaningful. . Lori Sietsema: The age question is in there basically to see who we're talking to. If we're talking to all women who are 34 years old or within that age bracket, we've done a poor survey and that's more or less a test for us. Mayor Hamilton: I think we should word it what is your age group and give than a range. Councilman Geving: And then, the next to the last one, number 12, why is it significant to ask whether a person is a homemaker or retired or has a full- time paying job or is unemployed? Will you get a good response here do you think? Lori Sietsema: It's another test. Basically it was another test for us to make sure that we were hitting more than one type of person. Councilman Geving: I don't have any problem leaving it in but I don't see the significance of it. Then finally, the last o~ was on item ,4. I thin~ you could probaby strike the second item. We don't have any moblle homes 10 Chanhassen. I think it's great and let's go ahead with it. . 25 !1 r.. ,'" 1. \iU . . . City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 Mayor Hamil ton: Jim Mady from Park and Rec is here. Do you have anything to add Jim? ~ Jim Mady: No, not really. '!he concerns about those final questions, asking more or less demographic questions are engineered to make sure we do have a well rounded sample. Councilman Johnson: I have concern in how we're selecting the people. In all my experience in this type of action, we've done a random selection. Not selecting every third, fourth or fifth or whatever phone number it was. It seemed to be a lot more work to be done to make sure we covererl everybody from some of these phone lists you're going to be working from. Do you have a better handle on it than what the Park and Rec COmmission Minutes? Lori Sietsema: I think what we'll use is probably the poll directory which will have everybody in it. What the Park and Recreation Commission really wanted to do is make sure that they ask out of each area and that's why it's going every fifth one. We can find out where we askerl the questions and who we asked. If we ask every fifth person in the Minnewashta Heights area and every person in Chaparral, then we want to make sure we hit the people in the rural area and the developed area and all the way around. Jim Mady: One thing about that Jay, to make that statistic valid, to make a meaningful report, if you make a random selection of where you start and from that point it is that just straight down. Councilman Johnson: I think it looks some pretty good work. . Mayor .Hamil ton moved, Councilman Horn seconded to move ahead with the Park Needs Survey. All voted in favor and motion carried. FINAL PrAT APPROVAL, BLUFF CREEK GREEN. Barbara Dacy: Approximately one year ago today, or I should say until tomorrow, that the preliminary plat for Bluff Creek Greens was being considered by the Council. '!he action here tonight would be the last step that developers neerl to take in securing total approval from the Council. Plans and specs were approved and a development contract was approved by the Council at the September 8, 1986 meeting. Since the delivery of the packet we have also been able to substantiate some of the items that I have flagged in my memorandum and I would like to briefly go through those four points. One, you have in your packet a revised set of Restrictions and Covenants that were stamped Received March 13th. They have been revised to address the Council's concern for providing adequate storm sewer maintenance as well as the private street maintenance. On page 11 of the Restrictions it addresses the concern by the Council where a hold harmless clause would be reserved so that the City would not be responsible for any cost for maintenance or problems that would occur with the storm sewer system or the street system. I marked on the overhead here where the storm sewer systems will be going down the lot lines. Therefore, Staff at this point is satisfied that item one has been complied with. However, we would still like the City Attorney to have a final reading ~ 26 e *' e e 144 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 that a pipe be installed rather than overland drainage. We had a meeting right before the Planning Commission meeting with the applicant and we were discussing the options of drainage for that area. The pipe versus the overland drainage. We will be working with the Watershed District, Staff and the applicant, to corne up with an optimum alternative to reduce any erosion and to hold the water and allow sedimentation of the water. We are also recommending the final erosion control grading plan as part of the final plat and we also recommended an easement around the ponding area to the south at approximately the 960 elevation. We found the 960 doesn't work the best, what we will do is have the applicant submit a ordinary high water mark for this ponding area and we will take that setback from the pond to maintain as much open space as possible. As far as the Park and Recreation Commission, they reviewed the site and the applicant is providing a 2.1 acre park to the north adjacent to the existing part of Chaparral. The Park and Recreation Commission thought it was a good idea for a park but they did not feel that it was necessary and did not want to take it in lieu of park dedication fees. The applicant has proposed another plan that will provide more lots there and remove some of this park area as an option if they do not get any park dedication fees reduced. The Park and Recreation Commission is also requesting trailways along the 60 foot right-of-way, the 50 foot right-of-ways and then the internal streets. They are also along Powers and Kerber Blvd.. There is adequate right-of-way now along the street sections to provide the off-street trails. Councilman Boyt: WOuld you go over those internal trails for me? Jo Ann Olsen: Sure. As far as the wetland alteration permit, they are providing ponding areas within the wetland district. When we went out to the site with Elizabeth Rockwell, it looked like the wetland vegetation actually carne all the way up to where the ponding areas are. The applicant has shown as the wetland as being over in the souther corner here. Again, Staff is recommending that they provide ordinary high water mark of the wetland to provide the actual boundaries of it. From there we will have to maintain the 75 foot structure setback from the wetland. Staff is recommending approval of the land use plan amendment, the rezoning and preliminary plat with the conditions set in the Staff Report. Some of those conditions are different than what was in the engineer's report and that is again a result of that meeting that we had at the last minute before the Planning Commission meeting. Recommendations 1, 2, 3, 6 and 11 have been changed. Number 1 was changed so that we would state that off-street trails shall be provided along three main streets in the development along the westerly edge of Powers Blvd.. Prior to that the condition had recommended that additional right-of-way be acquired but we found out that we did not need that. Condition 2, previously had stated that the developer will provide the curb and gutter on Kerber Blvd. and the question of who was actually going to be paying for it is still being worked out between Staff and the developer. Condition 3, is when we establish .the setback from the ponding area. It was set at 960 which was not actually the best. We can work out a better one and study the setback from the wetlands. Number 6 is where we will work with the applicant and the Watershed District to review the best alternative of conveying the storm water from the site. Number 11, just to establish the 75 foot setback fram the ordinary high water mark. The Planning Commission recommended approval and added the 60 ~ ~ . , . ~ 145 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 condition that the R-4 district's southerly boundary be established at the northerly street alignment rather than at the rear of the lot line as proposed. '!hey also added that the EAW address the Met Council's comments as far as the impact of the site's storm water run-off to Lake Riley and Lotus Lake. e Councilman Boyt: I went over and walked the property yesterday and first, I agree with the statement in here, I think it was from MPCA, that the EAW looked real good. I thought it looked real good. I was impressed that they talked about the drawbacks as well as the pluses. I was also impressed that they are putting berms up to do something to shield the sound of the grading. Can you tell me what the hours are for grading? Do we set that dependant upon whether they are in a residential area or whether they are out in the middle. . . Gary Warren: We usually restrict them to 7:00 to 6:00 or 7:00. Sometimes we allow Saturdays but never SUndays or holidays. Councilman Boyt: I would be very appreciative when we're in a residential area if we didn't grade on Saturdays and Sundays and I think 7:00 to 6:00 is reasonable. I agree with the Park and Rec on the trail easement possibilities. I think that probably the City should get involved in building them but I think we should get the easements from the developer. I would like to see the conservation easement go on this southern most area around the ponds that are going to be created. I would like to see the conservation easement go to the top of that ridge line and I would rather see it in a conservation easement than I would in a development covenant. I want something the City is going to enforce so I think you might need to add point 13 or 14 or whatever that that conservation easement be established up to that southern ridge line. I agree with the R-4, moving it over to the middle of the street. Fox Hollow, which I think was also developed by the same development group and they have a pond over there that is similar to what they are proposing to develop here on the north edge, if they develop this pond that way, I would assume that you are either going to have to dig it out or berm it up or something. Is that in your plan? I thought the pond over in Fox Hollow was quite nice and I noticed that you have some pretty small lots . that abut up to it and yet maybe because of the pond they seemed reasonable. I'm surprised that I'd say a small lot could seem reasonable. A concern that I have is you mention in your wri te-up that you're going to grade 19 feet out of some areas. I think one of the things that we lose when we look at this is that we don't have any kind of a way of judging how much of the terrain is going to be shuffled around. I feel pretty strongly that property has a basic integrity and that when people decide to develop a piece of property, we shouldn't take something and make it look like Death Valley if it starts out looking like a mountain or probably what would be more typical to happen, make it look flat instead of having variations. This piece of property has a lot of rollingness to it and I'm real concerned but not having a map, I can't tell how much they are knocking down 19 feet. If there is a peak somewhere but 19 feet is a lot of ground .to take out. e Gary Warren: It basically is a peak like you're saying in the southwest corner. I think the road elevation proposed there was 984. We don't have the e 61 148 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 e Councilman Geving: I'm a little bit surprised that the Park and Rec people didn't give you a little bit more of a problem asking for more parkland to abut adjacent to the park to the north of this property. It would have been very logical to me at least as I drew it on my plan to have acquired another 3 or 4 acres rather than a lousy little 2 acres which is very low and probably not very useable for park purposes. I walked that myself arrl I know what's down there. That's a ravine. '!here's not much there so we're not really getting anything so I'm surprised that the Park and Rec people didn't see this opportunity to expand the park. What were the discussions? Does anybody remember? Were they satisfied with the trail system arrl the park fees in lieu of taking this land? tf Jo Ann Olsen: '!he Park Commission looked at the overall demand in that area and felt with all the parks in this area, there was not a need for more parkland. What was needed was money to develop the parkland that they had. Councilman Geving: So even though they are adjacent to Lake Ann Park arrl the school, we're talking about 140 units that are going to be built here. Do you know how many people that is? That's a lot of people. That's 500-600 people. A lot of kids and they're not going to be wanting to walk to the park. Let's face it, that's still half a mile away. I'm very surprised that the Park people didn't ask for more park dedication. Rick Murray: Their response was that the area was not a good addition. '- e Councilman Horn: Not only that but they said they had planned both along Powers and Kerber Blvd.. Councilman Geving: That's alright to walk. I like to hike myself but you're talking about a lot of young kids that are going to be in this development. Councilman Horn: They're thinking of getting them to other parts of the City. This is where they drew it. Councilman Geving: That particular piece of ground, that 2.some acres is going to dedicated, is that right Rick? Rick Murray: We will dedicate the 2.some acres of ground to the City if I get an off-set in cash. Counc i Iman Gev ing : You won't get that. Rick Murray: Then we have an alternative that shows reducing this trail corridor and expanding the lot. Councilman Geving: I didn't see any discussion of that from the park people. Their recommendation was to take the 2.1 acres or whatever it was arrl ask for no reduction in the park dedication fees. What was their recommendation? Mayor Hamilton: They didn't want it. . e 64 / , . ~ 149 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 Councilman Geving: I wouldn't really want it either because it's nothing more than just a ravine. I don't think that's buildable. If there was you would have put a house there. So we'll take it for nothing. e Rick Murray: Why? Councilman Geving: What are you going to do with it if we give it back to you? Rick Murray: We'll extend the cul-de-sac and we'll plat it out into duplex lots. There was some other discussion I think which will come up later about adding an access which this trailway could be shifted to make emergency access out the back. Councilman Geving: What kind of credit are you asking for the 2.1 acres? we're not talking about a lot of money. Rick Murray: Gentlemen, I've always been reasonable in the past. Rick Sathre: I know this is very small but this shows, the park area that we show on the preliminary plat is right in here. '!his border of the park that we've shown is basically a ravine that is wooded and you can see the treeline on the edge. '!he land that lies to the west of that, this nice open space area in there is a high and relatively flat area. It slopes about 6 feet across that area. I think it's a wonderful park space. It's buffered from the single family by the trees and the ravine and it's all park to the north. On that other big map, the red area is the existing park in the Chaparall area so a majority of this 2.1 acres, not a majority but sayan acre or acre and a hal~ of it, the major open space area is a relatively flat and certainly high spot. e Councilman Geving: Well, I think we would have to talk about that. Mayor Hamilton: I think a solution is take the 2.1 acres or whatever the acreage is. . Councilman Geving: I would too. I personally would rather have the park area as a park in our overall park. Rick Murray: Some of it, an acre or acre and a half which is useable. Councilman Geving: I would rather have the land because I can see an awful lot of people in this area who might want to use that area just for walking. There are a number of trees down there. Rick Murray: This is an enlargement Dale of the existing proposal. Councilman Geving: I guess my personal preference would be for us to take tha t land, the 2.1 acres. Rick Murray: It seemed a reasonable place for us to provide a buffer between single family and high density. e 65 150 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 e Councilman Geving: I agree. I understand what you're saying and I also can agree to what Clark eluded to. I don't have problem with what you're proposing. Let me see if I have another comment or two. The other thing is I think the off-street trails. Do you have any comments on that? There was some surprise on your part or the planner's part on what the Park and Rec were asking for. ~ Rick Murray: Philosophically, I think it's probably a good plan to have some" off-street trails, especially on major thoroughfares. Along Kerber and Powers. Practically, on the interior lots, people won't want a sidewalk in their front yard. That's why it's been in so many plans a lack of requirements of sidewalks. People didn't want them there. From a Ci ty's point of view, if you don't build these sidewalks or trails, at the time we're doing the streets, I think you have a hard time ever getting them in. We've done three subdivisions in Eden prairie now which are on the only three that I've developed that require sidewalks and every time you're always pushing the end of the construction season arrl you're lucky to get your curb down and especially last year with the terrible rain. We didn't get the sidewalks in. The calls that we've getting is are why did you put in the sidewalk there. I get 10 a week and now they're starting to double up. People are calling back because they forgot what I told them two weeks ago. Councilman Boyt: What are you building them out of? e Rick Murray: Those are concrete. That's their requirement. Whatever you build them out of, they have to be hard enough. Either asphalt or concrete. t Councilman Boyt: We just had a lot of discussion about what's appropriate so I was just curious. Rick Murray: Their bike trails in Eden Prairie work a lot better and are more designed toward the rear yard as with these along here. The interior sidewalks, whichever side of the street you put them on, it's always the wrong side and people would have bought the other side of the street if they had known that there was going to be a sidewalk. Councilman Geving: How does that work out for maintenance after you've built them? .Who pays for the upkeep and maintenance? Rick Murray: The City. The public works department. And they have to be plowed. Councilman Geving: I know in many communities if it's in front of your house, it's yours and you have to replace it. Councilman Horn: The bicycle trail? Councilman Geving: No, the one that we're talking" about here if it were concrete. The interior concrete off-street trail. I don't want to keep you. . e 66 I 151 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 , Rick Murray: If you don't have the City taking care of them you're going to get exactly what Clark just mentioned. This one looks real nice because they had a good year. This guy lost his job and has economic difficulties. e Councilman Geving: I'm pleased with what I see here Rick. I just feel we have to negotiate a little bit more about the 2.1 acres and that can be worked out with our City Staff. Otherwise I'm in favor of the project. Councilman Johnson: Actually, overall I very much like this project. I like how the natural features have been utilized to separate types of housing. I like a lot of things about this project. I'm going to start on the FA since that was brought up first. We're missing several points on the ~ that, since they weren't considered, I personally would like to see it go back and the points added in because as a regulating unit, the FA is not complete. There is no discussion about what's going to happen to the buildings that are currently there. From what I've gathered, they are right now planning to be burned as fire practice or whatever but there is on discussion. They are either going to be buried, bum or carried off-site. Either way, it's a solid waste or an air pollution so it has to be in an FA for an FA to be complete. The Staff knows that any FA that impacts eventually Lake Riley has to have the phosphates statement in there for this FA to be a complete and thorough EA so I think the FA should be rewritten. . Barbara Dacy: It's in there. They addressed the phosphate issue in their amendmen t. e Rick Sathre: Basically the findings of the addendum were that 4 pounds of phospherous more than the norm would be carried upon completion of the project. Councilman Johnson: On the EA, the earlier one, it was put out for public notice. The public did not get the amendment. Jo Ann Olsen: It's in the report. Councilman Johnson: That was available this friday. That was not available when this was public notice 30 days ago when that was supposed to be available. When you ~~end it, you have a 30 day notice period for your amendment. We've got to follow the State Rules on this. Barbara Dacy: The DTB says that is up to the RG to determine. -. Councilman Johnson: That's right. That's us. And the air pollution is not addressed but that's a minor thing. That's not going to stop this project. I think we can go along with the other parts of this and have the FA amended and put to it's proof. In general, I believe this is the best EA I've seen for a housing project. Unfortunately, it missed a couple points. The next item is on the recorrunendations. Recorrunendation 1, I think we better change that to easterly edge of Powers Blvd. so we're not doing the property across the street for the trail. I don't think the owners of the property across the street would appreciate it too much. e 67 e e e 152 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 Rick Murray: Actually when you look at the extensions Jay, if you ever do want to put this trail north of our property and you look at all the property owners up there and you look at the property owners on this side of the road, you've got six of them to deal wi th over here and you've probably got 40 of them to deal with over here. Councilman Johnson: To tell you the truth, if I were platting the trails, I would have the trails on this side of Kerber and on the west side of Powers at this point. Rick Murray: The east side of Kerber? Councilman Geving: I disagree. Councilman Johnson: '!hat's where they already are. Now we have to cross the street. We have to cross Kerber Blvd. to get to you. As you go down Kerber there's a natural place where you go down to the cow path and take the cow path under and through but the Park and Rec Comnission wanted the other way. Rick Murray: When you see the trail to there, you're going to force yourself to crossing it. You're dealing not only with these homeowners, you're dealing with the Association there to get that trail behind all of this. Rick Sathre: There's no room either. Rick Murray: Those quads corne right to the edge. If you're going to have a fight, pick on nine guys. Councilman Johnson: The other thing, I need some assurances that this cul-de- sac with twins on it, is a pretty long cul-de-sac. I've seen in the past a lot of talk about long cul-de-sacs and here we've got 1,200 foot long cul-de- sac. Councilman Boyt: What did the Fire Department say when they reviewed this? Rick Murray: I think it's 850. Barbara Dacy: A 500 to 1,000 foot range for an urban density is standards. we have no specifics in the Subdivision Ordinance. Councilman Johnson: I think most people put in 600 foot cul-de-sacs last year. Anyway, we've got a trail corning out the back there. We've got a trail going across to the other place and hopefully it can be maintained as a possible emergency access to that end which may need some grading of the steep slopes in there which looks like you're already going to do so. Rick Murray: We're above the trees right there. Both of those trails that access point would be above where the topo shows. Councilman Johnson: I personally agree with the R-12. I think if done tastefully and placed within those trees, it won't be too bad. I do agree with Bill's point that R-4 would also be just as appropriate there but I can't 68 ~ t . I , . -. " 153 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 argue either way. RSF does not make any sense at all for that hilltop. Are 4It you into apartments? Is that part of your repetoire? Or is this going to be like James and farm it out to someone else to build? Rick Murray: ()Jr repetoire, so to speak Jay, is to own the property, we bring the builders with us to the site. I don't build. I will approve every plan that goes on am we would do the same thing with the apartments. I would not build. We have four builders that we're dealing with right now and we've been approached for townhouse si tes. Townhouse si tes right now, at least good townhouse sites, which we envision this to be, will be nice walk-out townhouses with that bluff area for some adequate parking. The problem I have with R-4, I have two problems with R-4. Number one, this is R-12. We don't know that that's not going to be a high rise apartment building. If this was rental units it would certainly impact what I'm going to try and do with my 8 acres am if it did happen to go rental units, I would not be able to convince those builders to put their $100,000.00 townhouses there. If it's done tastefully and I understam it's coming up this next month, I got a notice, if it is done in townhouses then it allows some more flexibility but what the City is requiring or the City is looking for off of this piece of acreage, granted, I think there is a desire to maintain slope. We've shown the desire as much as possible on this side and I think we will continue that on this side. I have to be able to bring the density that's within there and tastefully work it along the slope. With an R-4, I get duplexes am singles. I can't very do that. There just isn't room there at R-4. Mayor Hamil ton: I like the project too. Rick, you've done a gooo job. I e think we need an R-12 because it's adjacent to another R-12 and we need that type of housing in the City. The trail system, two questions, the trail system for the park area, I would be in favor of keeping the 2 acres and working out an equitable solution with you Rick on how we're going to arrive at a price for that which I think we can do. I think we should take advantage of that piece of groum am keep it as a park. Then, the off-street trail system, I still have a problem with that with the internal streets having a trail system on them. I'm not in favor of that. I'm not in favor of having a trail that doesn't go anywhere. I know we're going through a process of working on our trails system am trying to figure out how we're going to arrive at a trail system that goes somewhere and hooks up with somebody else in the system and I think that whole process is being reviewed as a part of this. Personally, I don't see the need for sidewalks... Resolution #87-24: Councilman Johnson moved, Councilman Horn to approve the first reading to reZOlJe approximately 23 acres of RSF, Single Family Residential to R-4, Mixed Low Density am 8.2 acres of Residential Single Family to R-12, High Density Residential. All voted in favor except Councilman Boyt who opposed am motion carried. Councilman Johnson moved, Councilman Horn seconded to approve the land use plan amendment to amem the 8.2 acres of Residential Low Density to Residential High Density. All voted in favor except Councilman Boyt and motion carried. e 69 154 City Council Meeting - March 16, 1987 e Councilman Johnson moved, Councilman Horn seconded to approve the preliminary plat as shown on the plat dated December 30, 1986, am the wetland alteration permit with the following conditions: ., 1. Off-street trails shall be provided along the three main streets in the development am along the easterly edge of Powers Blvd. and westerly edge of Kerber Blvd.. 2. '!he westerly edge of Kerber Blvd. shall be upgraded with curb and gutter. 3. '!he City and the developer shall establish a trail and conservation easement along the ponding areas prior to final plat approval. 4. SUbmittal of a final grading and drainage and erosion control plan acceptable to the City, Watershed District, and DNR am adherence to all conditions... 5. If construction phasing is proposed, the submittal of an acceptable phasing plan along with execution of a developer's agreement with the City. 6. The City and Watershed District shall review alternatives for conveying storm water from the northern pond to mitigate erosion problems. -- e 7. All street and utility construction shall be consistent with City standards for urban residential development. 8. Drainage and utility easements shall be dedicated as necessary for placement of all utility lines. 9. Sanitary sewer extensions off-site in order to connect with existing municipal utilities shall be at the developer's expense. 10. Mass grading of the site will not be permitted without adequate assurances and guarantees being provided to the City. 11. '!he applicant shall establish the OHWM of the Class B wetland and establish the 75 foot setback. 12. '!he City will negotiate with the developer for the purchase of the 2.1 acre park. All voted in favor and motion carried. e Councilman Johnson moved, Councilman Geving seconded to approve the negative declaration for the Environmental Assessment Worksheet with the condition that it be amended to address the removal of the existing buildings on site, and if they are burned, their impact to air pollution. All voted in favor and motion carried. . 70 ~ t Van Doren Hazard Stallings Inc. e Arch'tecl~. Engineers. Planners 3030 Harbor Lane North, Suite 104 Minneapolis, Minnesota 55441 6121553.1950 MBK>RANDtJM '10: Park and Recreation Canmission and Staff ~: R. Mark Koegler ~ DATE: March 31, 1987 SOBJ: Tra il Plan . The schedule for assembly of the Chanhassen Trail Plan calls for the next discussion to focus on two topics: a preliminary trail plan and trail standards. The attached map constitutes a draft of a preliminary trail plan which has been prepared for further review and comment by the Park and Recrea tion Commission. The plan represents linkages between parks, schools, neighbortxx>ds arrl other features throughout the city and it provides connecting points consistent with plans prepared by Eden Prairie am Chaska. At this stage, it is suggested that the Park Commission critique the draft preliminary trail plan and reach a concensus on all future desired trail alignments. After alignments have been identified, the Commission will be involved in the task of prioritizing am establishing recanmemed phasing for actual implementation of the system. e In essence, the preliminary trail plan is actually a representation of an ultimate trail plan after implementation over an extended period of time. Standards Most public improvements are built in accordance with sets of standards. Standards are particularly important in the development of trail systems because consistency both for motoring am cycling memers of the public helps reduce the occurrence of accidents. Consistency in design helps ensure user canfort. . e e e e Standards for trails can be numerous and complicated. Basically, most trail systems are developed consistent with the following standards: 1. Trails will be 8' wide to accanmodate two-way bicycle and pedestrian traffic. Six foot wide trails will be constructed only to adapt to the continuity of existing 6' trails. . 2. Bikeway/Bikeway trails will be separated from motor vehicle traffic thus reducing conflicts and interactions with these transportation modes. 3. Avoid long steep grades: 6.0% maximum slope preferred, 8% maximum where unavoidable by existing terrain. 4. Use flatter grade or slope at intersection with streets or other trailway; 2.0% maximum to allow adequate time to stop. 5. For drainage purposes, 1.0% preferred minimum slope: not less than 0.5% to be used. 6. Use 0.02'/foot minimum cross-slope or crown: 0.04'/foot maximum. 7. Provide clearance for vertical obstructions (trees, power poles, signs, etc.); four-foot preferred minimum, two-foot absolute minimum for bicycle facilities. 8. Shape and compact subgrade to 100% standard density. Excavate and remove all topsoil, black dirt, peat, muck or silt soils from beneath pathway: backfill with select grading material. . 9. Provide positive surface water drainage away from trailway with shallow drainage swales or ditches, culverts and/or storm sewer as required. Subgrade of trailway to be minimum of two feet above water table. 10. Avoid sharp or sudden changes in horizontal and vertical alignment. Provide adequate site distance for bicycles at intersections and on vertical changes in alignment. Extra width and/or flatter curves required on long downhill slopes for additional reaction space. 11. Bicycle tra ils to be marked and signed in accordance with the manual on uniform Traffic Control Devices, latest edition. 12. Minimum standards shall be increased as necessary where required by poor subgrade soil, traffic volumes, hazardous conditions, or other special circumstances. . CITY OF CHAHHASSEH e 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55:; (612) 937-1900 ~:~rm ':'\~. J i: :,"'::. _ 1::::::::. MEMORANDUM t.~:\l..;i;'~t :.:__._,___~ TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager ;\;p;:;.:::....-__. D'to . ._--.~-_.....~ . Date S~b:ni~:~j 10 CO,iln115:. FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator ~ SUBJ: 1988 LAWCON Grant Applications &. -..------. ii3lr: Su:'mi~'.j IfJ ';'-iunCI! i-(P~f2 ~........---_. ....--.- DATE: April 1, 1987 Applications for 1988 LAWCON Grant projects are due on May 4. Due to the short time frame until the application deadline, I am requesting input from the City Council on this item before it goes to the Park and Recreation Commission on Tuesday evening. This office is recommending that the City make three or four grant applications. A number of potential projects have been identified which are listed below. . Lake Ann Ballfield Development: We have made application for this project in the past and it ranked very high. This project has been identified as high priority due to the needs of the CAA for a regulation size soccer field and Little League field. The project includes grading, access road, additional parking, a regulation size soccer field, and a softball field/fall soccer field. e The construction of a new softball field may allow us to con- vert field #3 into a Little League field. This will allow the CAA to offer all of the youth baseball and soccer programs within Chanhassen rather than travelling outside the City limits. Because this is such a great need for CAA it will not be difficult to gain community support, which is needed to be considered for funding. The estimated cost of this project is roughly $200,000. . Lake Susan Park Development: This project would include an unpaved park entrance roadi boat access, trails, fishing dock, and a fish cleaning house. The project is considered a high priority due .to the park's proximity to the business park. It was felt that the development of this park (especially trails) would attract industries and businesses .to the area. 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