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1987 11 24 Agenda . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. e e AGENDA PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 1987, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE Call to order. Minutes of October 7 and October 27, 1987. Reconsider Request to Improve Outdoor Hockey Rinks. Consider request to Purchase Zambonie with Donated Funds. Reconsider Trail Easement Request along 3 Lots in T Bar K Development. Review Pre-Concept Plans of Park Parcels in Lake Susan Hills West to Determine if the Rime Property is needed to Serve Estimated Needs. 7. Comprehensive Plan Discussion. 8. Update: - Tennis Courts - Lake Susan Hills West PUD CITY OF CHARHASSER '-/ 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: November 16, 1987 RE: Request to Purchase Zambonie with donated Funds The Chanhassen Park and Recreation Department recently received a check for $5,900 from the Chaska Lion's Club. The money received is made from their charitable gambling operations in local establishments. This is the third donation of this type from the Lion's Club, bringing the total to $17,900. . The City placed past donations into the Matching Grant Fund in the Park Budget. The money wlll be used as the local share of a park development project that receives a state or federal grant. It has not yet been determined how this current donation will be used. The Chaska/Chanhassen Hockey Association has requested that the City assist in purchasing a small zamboni for the Chanhassen Indoor Ice Arena. Initially my reaction was that we did not have the money in the budget to make this purchase. However, with this contribution from the Lion's Club, it becomes a possibility. The price of the zamboni is $5,000. I have proposed to the hockey association that they make a contribution of $2,500, which the City could potentially match. As the Association was not able to provide the funds, Bloomberg Companies has made the donation. (Bloomberg Companies have an interest in the hockey rink as they own the building and receive one-half of the ice fees for rent.) The zamboni would be the property of the City and only authorized, trained personnel would be allowed to drive the vehicle. I have also contacted our insurance company to be sure there will are no problems with this purchase. Our represen- tative indicated that a zamboni would be covered and sent me information concerning safety ideas for an ice skating rink. . Attached please find the contribution description of the Lion's Club, the proposal by Brad Johnson, and the safety ideas from Dolliff Insurance, Inc. It is staff's recommendation to purchase the zamboni for the indoor ice arena, using funds donated by the Chaska Lion's Club and Bloomberg Companies. CITY 0 F CHAHHASSEH . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: November 19, 1987 SUBJ: Purchase of Zamboni The City recently received a request from Brad Johnson of the Chaska/Chanhassen Hockey Association, CHADDA, and Bloomberg Companies to purchase a zamboni for the indoor ice arena. The zamboni is $5,000, of which he has donated $2,500. Initially my reaction was negative as there are no funds available for such a purchase. However, the Park and Recreation Department received an unexpected donation of $5,900 from the Chaska Lion's Club this . week, thus enabling us to make this purchase. Attached please find proposal. Bloomberg the zamboni in hopes better quality ice. the zamboni was ever a letter from Brad Johnson outlining his Companies has made this $2,500 donation for that it will increase ice time sales due to They would expect a return of the $2,500 if sold. The Park and Recreation Commission will review this request on Tuesday evening. Upon their recommendation, I will be requesting that you authorize the release of the donated funds for the purchase of a zamboni. This purchase has some urgency with the ice season nearly upon us. As such, your prompt attention would be appreciated. . . . . Chanhassen Downtown Development Associates P.O. Box 100 Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317 (612) 934-1505 November 18, 1987 Lori Sietsma City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 RE: Chanhassen Arena Dear Lori: The City of Chanhassen as the operator and The Bloomberg Companies as the landlord, both want the Chanhassen arena to be a financial success. The Hockey Association (CCHA) has renovated the arena and continues to upgrade the facility each year and will be adding a new heated observation area this year. The quality of ice continues to be a problem that has not been solved. A solution proposed by both the CCHA and Minnetonka Hockey Association is the purchase of a small zamboni to resurface the ice. The CCHA has located a used zamboni and has requested the City purchase it for $5,000.00 from R & R Refrigeration. The Association has invested over $10,000.00 thus far in the arena and does not have the funds at this time to purchase the zamboni. The improved ice condition should allow a rental increase this year from $20 - $25 per hour. The rink may also be used more if the ice quality is improved. The Bloomberg Companies and its partnership CHADDA would like to see the City purchase the machine. We understand approximately $2500.00 may be available from park board funds. Enclosed is a check for the additional $2500.00. As part of the transaction, Bloomberg Companies will have a secured interest of $2500.00 in the machine. Members of the CCHA have indicated they will be willing to perform routine maintenance of the zamboni, but will not operate it. The zamboni can be stored in the old I nstant Webb building when not in use this year. Thanks for your cons"ideration of this matter. Sincerely, ~J~r For: Bloomberg/CHADDA . BLOOMBERG COMPANIES INCORPORATED P.O. Box 100 . CHANHASSEN, MN 55317.0100 r PA YE: NO. I CHECK NUMBER l CHECK DATE I INVOICE NO. INVOICE DATE T GROSS AMT. T NET AMOUNT I" !NVOICE NO. T INVOICE DATE GROSS AMT. NET AMOUNT I ! I ! , Ihterest I Security in Zamboni Ice Machine , 2500.00 I . i I I I I I , ! , , , , I , BLOOl\1BERG COl\'lPANIES PA 'fEE NO CHECK DATE CHECK NUMBER INCORPORATED · FRONTIER LUMBER & MILLWORK. BLOOMBERG CONSTRUCTION. · CHANHASSEN DINNER THEATRE. CHANHASSEN FURNITURE GALLERIES. P.O. BOX 100 · CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317-0100 11/17/87 68576 068576 75.1458 ---grg /$***2500.00 PAY TO THE ORDER.oF lI'Oba 5 ?bll' I:Oq lq Ut sa ?I: 00 City of Chanhassen STATE BANK OF CHANHASSEN CHANHASSEN MINNESOTA . CHASKA LIONS CHARITABLE GAMBLING CONTRIBUTIONS AS OF 11-3-87 CURRENT YTD City of Chaska: I.S.D.#112 Endowment Fund Park & Recreation $8,900 8,000 $18,900 21,000 City of Chanhassen: I.S.D.#112 Endowment Fund Park & Recreation $6,600 5,900 $16,600 17,900 . City of Victoria: Park & Recreation $1,550 $4,800 Total: $30,950 $79,200 **An additional $4000.00 is available for the Chaska Lions Club to contribute for any "lawful purpose". #112 Endowment Fund total from the Cities of Chaska & Chanhassen: $35,500 R EC:::- .:;::::) . NOV - 9 1987 CITY OF CHANHASSEN t, T' . r DOLLlFF,INC./INSURANCE 501 SOUTH EIGHTH STREET MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA 55404 612338-7021 : -4 November II, 1987 Ms. Lori Siedsma City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive P.O. Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 Re: Skating Rink Dear Lori: Please find enclosed some information I have concerning the hazards and safety ideas for an ice skating rink. Although much of this is general in nature I hope you can . pick up some good ideas from it. I definitely think it is a good idea to have only properly trained city employees operating the Zamboni, and of course ventilation while the unit is operating is extremely important. Please call me if you have any questions. ve~ou~ Nick Ludwig ~/ k1 Enclosure , .", +, ~.. ~ REC::Z".;;'::;:> 51: t NOV 1 2 1987 CITY OF CHANHASSEN . ~ i<. Established 1929 .. ,..:.,.'!.* sic code 7999 Amusement and Recreation Services, NEC Skating Rinks - Ice Best's Line Hazard Underwriting Comments Index Automobile Liability 3 Higher if transporting skaters. General Liability 8 Product Liability - Completed Operations 5 Lower without food service. Workers' Compensation 5 Crime 5 Fire and E.C. 7 Business Interruption 6 Lower for outdoor rinks. Low 1-3. Medium 4-6, High 7-9, Very High 10 Related Classifications Special Exposures ,. ..~...' Bus Operations - School Fast Food Restaurants Skating Rinks - Roller Stadiums, Arenas and Racetracks Employee travel Transportation of patrons Amateur hockey teams Rental of equipment RISK DESCRIPTION ~.. ~-. . \7~{~:." Indoor and outdoor skating rinks are used for open skating, individual or group lessons, amateur and professional hockey or ice shows, and occasionally as arenas for sporting events, concerts and other entertainment. The facilities may be rented for fund-raising activities. The rink may sponsor a hockey team. Many indoor rinks operate on a year-round basis; some remain open 24 hours a day. Rinks may be privately or publicly owned; some are operated by local governments. Although in the past governments generally were immune from tort liability, this principle has been eroded by the courts and abolished in many states. As a result, a publicly owned rink may be held liable for negligent acts. In addition to the rental, repair and sale of skates, skating equipment and apparel, most rinks offer food service; some sell alcoholic beverages. Music usually is provided by a sound system or an organist. Extensive lighting systems are not unusual. Typically, a skating rink is housed in a large, elongated, windowless structure constructed for the occupancy; but super- markets, barns and similar buildings have been converted into rinks. Air-supported structures sometimes are used. Most rinks have permanent or portable bleachers. Lockers, dressing rooms and showers may be provided. The skating surface is formed by refrigerant gases (Freon or ammonia) and antifreeze solutions (ethylene glycol or methanol and water, salt water or salt brine) circulating in tubing and piping of steel, iron or plastic. Powered ice resurfacers (usually run on propane, gasoline or batteries) periodically shave the ice, pick up the snow, and apply fresh water or remove excess water. The insured also may install portable temporary rinks consisting of tube-filled mats or a synthetic ice surface on tennis courts, parking lots or playgrounds or in hotels, exhibit halls and malls. Some natural bodies of water are used for skating surfaces when the weather permits. ~1"',"jlllll,J(~ Skating Rinks - Ice . MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT Refrigeration equipment; refrigerants and brine solution; monitoring system; dehumidifiers, powered ice resurfacers. Sound, communication and lighting systems. (Older rinks may feature electric or pipe organs.) Skates, skate sharpeners; rink maintenance equipment, such as ladders, scaffolds, cleaning materials, squeegees, paints and lumber. Hockey frames and nets; scoreboards; dasherboards; protective shields and screens; portable or permanent bleachers; lockers. Automobile Liability Automobile exposures may be minimal in an operation using a vehicle only for running errands. The exposure increases if the vehicle is used for travel to tournaments or if station wagons, vans or buses are used to transport patrons or teams. Flatbed trucks may be needed to move portable buildings set up at outdoor rinks. Buses used for transporting groups may be owned or leased. If secondhand buses are purchased, they may be unsafe or poorly maintained. Particular attention should be given to the qualifica- ons of drivers transporting children. What are the hazards and radius of the route? Who has access to the vehicles owned by the rink? Can employees use them for pleasure? If employees use their own vehicles for business purposes, it is important to identify the insurance carrier and the limits for which the policy is written. Portable buildings must be secured properly during transport. Third parties may be injured during the loading or unloading opera- tions. To forestall controversy over a claim, it is desirable that Automobile Liability and General Liability coverages be written in tbe same company for the same limits. MVRs must be obtained on all known drivers. General Liability The rink may be located indoors or out. Outdoor rinks may have small portable or permanent shelters on the site. The rink may be in an air-supported structure. Because pressure must be maintained, conventional emergency exits are impossible. Revolving doors or a series of two regular doors separated by an air space may be used. In an emergency, a pileup at the exits may ensue. A break in the structure could cause it to collapse onto the people inside. Styrofoam, urethane or polyurethane may be used as insulation. Left uncovered or covered with a flammable material, these plastic insulators burn rapidly and generate toxic gases. Space heaters or other portable heating deviceS, sometimes used in portable shelters, can ignite the clothing of someone standing close by or can cause severe burns to an individual touching the -terior surface. Accumulated gases in a heater could explode duro ,an attempt to light the burner. Unvented or dirty space heaters . a malfunctioning heating appliance can produce large quantities of carbon monoxide. Determine what type of ice resurfacer is used. Internal combus- tion engines may produce carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide or sulfuric acid fumes (if a catalytic converter is used). Are the premises ventilated adequately? Page 2 10/87 RevisiOn Spectators may be injured. In the past, courts held that there was an assumption of risk on the part of those suffering injuries; however, recent court rulings have held that spectators must be protected. The rink may be rented to outside organizations. Hockey games or competitive skating matches may be held. These may attract a greater than usual number of spectators, and the maximum occupancy requirements may be exceeded. It is strongly recom- mended that at least one employee be certified in first aid. Effective, adequately trained crowd control personnel should be available to quell a group disturbance or control unruly in- dividuals. Casual or seasonal employees inadequately trained or supervised may not be prepared to handle emergency situations. They should not be armed; the availability of police should be looked into. The rink should be under observation by an employee in a control booth, preferably located above rink level. Dasherboards that surround the rink may be of wood or plastic or a combination of both. Wooden dasherboards may have sharp edges or rough surfaces; a skater bumping into or falling against the board may suffer serious injuries. Some plastics break into jagged pieces that can cause cuts or stab wounds. Bleachers or other seating may collapse. The age and the condi- tion of the equipment are important. People may be injured or clothing 'may be torn on bleachers that have splinters or rough or sharp edges. SpilIed food or beverages may cause slips and falls. Some rinks sell alcoholic beverages. The trend of the courts, even in states without a dram shop or alcoholic beverage act, has been to hold a server of alcoholic beverages liable for actions of intoxicated persons. Vending machines may cause electric shock if not properly grounded, or they may have sharp edges that can cause cuts. A warranty of fitness is implied when skates are rented. Improper fit, a loose or poorly sharpened blade, or a broken lace are com- mon causes of falls. Sharp edges and points on metal sole plates may cause cuts. Equipment must be in good repair, and all skates should be inspected before and after rental. Natural or artificial bodies of water may be used as outdoor rinks. Although some authorities consider an ice depth of four inches safe, six inches or more is desirable. How regularly is the ice tested? Are employees trained to handle rescue operations or other emergency situations? .~l ....; . Professional Liability Instructors may be employees of the insured or independent con- tractors. The exposure is greater if staff members are employees. : '-"lfIlI '.7 " A II ... c...... _ .u........... Skating Rinks - Ice . Product Liability and Completed Operations There may be a shop on premises that sells skating clothing, accessories and equipment; food service may be available. Are these ancillary operations owned and controlled by the insured or operated as concessions? Refer to the appropriate classifi- cation for discussion of the hazards inherent in those opera- tions. Learn if any of the products are sold under the insured's own label or made to his specifications. Identify the manu- facturers of all products sold. Foreign manufacture of products adds to the liability exposure; naming a foreign manufacturer a party to a lawsuit is difficult if not impossible. Identify the supplier of any vending machines. If food is . vended, determine how frequently the supply is replenished. Is there a contract between the insured and the supplier? Is it limited, intermediate or broad? The insured may be assuming liability which should be shared with the supplier. Does the insured repair skates? An injury due to improper workmanship may result in a sizable claim. ~. Personal Injury Liability A lone skater or group may harass other patrons; the insured should employ individuals qualified to handle a dis- turbance. Charges of the use of undue force, slander,humilia- tion, unlawful detainment, wrongful eviction or invasion of privacy may be pressed. The attitude of the insured and the staff will have a marked effect on the exposure. Are the police readily available and called to quell disturbances? Are outside security guards employed? Determine the reputation of the security service and the training given the guards. An improper approach may result in a substantial award. Workmen's Compensation Full or part-time employees may. be on the staff. Determine if the instructors or other individuals are employees of the club or independent contractors. . Employees may work extra shifts cleaning and resurfacing the ice on outdoor rinks. The ice resurfacing equipment may be self.propelled or tractor-mounted, jeeps may be used to pull the equipment. The ice of an outdoor skating area may crack and the equipment, along with the workers, fall through. Those working at outdoor rinks may experience temperatures ranging from freezing to -20oF or below. They may suffer overexertion, frostbite, neuritis, arthritis, sciatica, bronchitis, asthma or other diseases. Salamanders, space heaters or other portable heating devices may be used. Refer to the comments under General Liability for discussion of the hazards inherent in portable heating devices. While recharging batteries in resurfacing equipment, an individual may suffer skin bums or eye injury while handling the battery acids. Back strains from lifting these batteries are common. Battery cells have potentially explosive quantities of hydrogen-oxygen which may be set off by a short circuit . caused by tools or metal falling on the battery. A build-up of {. exhaust fumes from gasoline or propane resurfacing equipment "'"" used indoors can be dangerous to the heatth of occupants; adequate ventilation is essential. If the engine is tuned to re- duce the carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, another dan- gerous exhaust gas, may be increased. New equipment may have catalytic converters which emit sulfuric acid fumes~ Cop~1Ift1 1.77 DW' A. M. 8Ht Comp..-v. 1M... A. .ilhu...,.... Pulmonary edema may develop from exposure to high concen. trations of oxides of nitrogen. Exposure to sulfuric acid fumes may. result in irritation to the respiratory tract.. Refueling gasoline operated equipment while the engine is running, or smoking during the refueling operation, may cause fire or explosion. Employees may suffer serious or fatal bums. Employees are exposed to electric shock by damaged cords on electrical equipment, defective or ungrounded equipment or minute current leakages on the conductive enclosures of many types of electrical equipment. Employees may be electrocuted whenever water and electricity are in close proximity. The use of a ground-fault circuit interrupter is strongly recommended. Inhalation of ammonia, a commonly used refrigerant, is extremely irritating and can cause a fatal bronchial spasm. When exposed to heat or open flames, freon may decompose into highly irritating and toxic gases. Methyl alcohol, an antifreeze chemical, is narcotic; daily exposure to the fumes has a cumulative effect. Adequate means of evacuation in the event of a fire or leakage of the refrigerants is essential. Employees may fall and injure themselves on the ice. They may be pushed or struck while attempting to control an unruly crowd, or may suffer strains and sprains while lifting skaters who have fallen. Cuts or amputations while working with the ice scrapers or while handling the blades are a possi. bility. Employees may fall from ladders or scaffolds. A severe injury may occur if the grinding wheel breaks while blades are being sharpened. Do employees use eye protection while sharpening skates? Employees rnay trip and fall on stairs to control booths or bleachers, especially if the stairs are narrow and steep or lack a handrail. Employees may be injured while lifting cartons or crates or while opening boxes with razor blades, knives or chisels. Rinks located in isolated areas may be targets of a robbery. If employees attend competitive meets out of the state or country, fmd out the frequency of these trips. While driving, employees are exposed to vehicular accidents. Refer to the appropriate classification for the hazards inherent in the snack bar, restaurant or shop operation. Crime Determine how much cash is on hand and what measures are taken to safeguard it. Rinks located in isolated areas are automatically target risks and extra precautions are required; rinks in well-traveled areas have less crime exposure. Is the area regularly patrolled by police? Money from the cash register should be put in a safe periodically during operating hours. Bank deposits should be made daily; cash should not be kept in the safe after closing. Employees may steal money, equipment or supplies. Strict inventory control is required. Pre-employment checks should be made and references contacted. 5/77 Fire and E. C. The building is usually a large one.story horizontal structure with no or few interior ceiling supports. Wide.span wood truss roofs and lantern-type skylights are not uncommon. Generally the building has blank outside walls. The wide expanse with- out a fire division would allow a fire to sweep rapidly through Page 3 Skating Rinks - Ice .he structure. The large roof area makes the structure vulner. able to damage from even a moderate windstorm. Large signs attached to the roof are highly susceptible to wind damage and consequent damage to the roof. In a converted building, the removal of interior supports may weaken the structure and a minor fire or windstorm could cause the building to collapse. In older buildings the wiring may be dry and crack easily, exposing live wires. Blank masonry walls will permit a fire to bum undetected or limit access to the building, thereby hindering firefighters. One of the most serious fire hazards is concealed spaces in the walls and ceilings. If a fire were to start in a concealed space, it could bum undetected and cause substantial damage by the time it was discovered. Flammable wall and floor coverings, a carelessly discarded cigarette, and . possibly an inadequate number of exits all contribute to the catastrophic potential for loss. The hazard may be increased during the holiday seasons if flammable decorations are used. Some ou tdoor rinks may have portable buildings that are stored at another location off season. Permanent structures may be unattended at this time. Where is the equipment stored? Is it adequately safeguarded to lessen the possibility of vmm damages? Some facilities may be housed in metal buildings, which buckle and twist when exposed to heat. There is a materially increased wind exposure in the ware. house-type buildings that have been converted by fastening interior finish to the inside of the exterior-metal walls and by .stalling a false ceiling from the roof supports. Underwriting windstorm coverage on a metal structure is less than desirable. What type of insulation is used? Exposed styrofoam, urethane or polyurethane, sprayed on or applied in sheets, greatly increases the chance of loss. Polyurethane may be sprayed on the subgrade below the concrete floor of ice skat- ing rinks. If the foam is left exposed at the junction of the walls, a serious fue hazard is present. Is the exposed foam covered with a non-combustible material? Burning plastics create dense black smoke which obstructs' vision, generates poisonous gases, produces rapid flame spread or quick flash. over, and bums with such an intense heat that firefighting is -extremely difficult. The rapid spread of fire, the intense heat and an unsupported or lightly supported wide-span roof can result in building collapse_ ~ " The heating equipment should be in a separate fire resistant enclosure in an area cut off from the rink. Heating equipment should be installed in accordance with NFPA standards. Gas fueled heaters may be mounted between a false ceiling and the roof. If a small leak caused a gas build-up over a period of time, a pilot light in one of the heaters could ignite the entire concealed area. What type of fuel is used to power the equipment? How is it stored? LPG should be store.d in accordance with NFP A Standard No. 58. All flammable and combustible liquids should be stored as outlined in NFPA Standard No. 30. To facilitate firefighting, the fire department must be advised of the various gases and flammable liquids kept on the premises. An open flame or spark may ignite the explosive mixtures of gases present in and around batteries. It is important that smoking be prohibited in tl!e battery-charging area"Al1 electri.. cal equipment must be properly grounded. Explosive concentrations of the refrigerant ammonia can be produced when it is released into an open flame, fire or arc. The sparks from welding a tubing leak can ignite the ammonia. Ammonia can form an explosive mixture with lubricating oils; pipelines should be equipped with oil traps to prevent the oils from mixing with ammonia. What kind of food service is available? Because grease fires cause many serious losses, good housekeeping with regular cleaning of hoods, ducts, f1lters and fans is important. Refer to the Fast Food and Restaurant classifications for additional information. . ~ ' Busin'" Interruptinn .:, Indoor rinks may be open twelve months of the year; however, the winter months may be most profitable and a loss immediately preceding them could wipe out an entire year's profit. Determine what percentage of income arises from food service or other auxiliary services. Even a temporary shut. down due to a minor fire could result in a substantial loss. How long would it take to replace the building? Although air-supported structures may require only a few days to'erect, delivery of materials may take several months. Pre.fabricated structures generally take three to four months to erect, with. out delays. Determine the availability of the building materials. A physi~ inspection, an analysis of the fmancial report, and an analysis of prior losses are necessary when underwriting this class. Underwriter's Check List Does the insured provide bus service? Is there an adequate number of fire exits? What ancillary activities are conducted on the premises? Are any imported products sold? What is the condition of the premises? Is the wiring adequate? Page 4 5/77 Are alcoholic beverages sold? How many hours a day is the rink open? What does an analysis of the prior losses reveal? Do any employees travel out of state or country for business? Are hockey games or exhibitions held? ...~' ;'-~' ,I,. CoPYr'" 1.,7 DY A. M. IIett Comoany. Me.. Ate '....h me...... . 5 CITY 0 F CHAHHASSEH 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator \tfJ November 17, 1987 DATE: SUBJ: Reconsideration of a Trail Easement, T Bar K Estates . In May, the City Council gave final plat approval for the T Bar K development located on the southwest corner of Lyman Blvd. and TH 101. One of the conditions of approval was for the developer to provide a 20 ft. trail easement along Lyman Blvd. and a 12 ft. nature trail easement along the 886 contour line. The applicant has recently contacted the Planning Department requesting the City Council to reconsider the nature trail requirement. The applicant feels that the nature trail along the rear of the lots is making the sale of these lots difficult. Potential buyers have expressed their concern over having a public trail across their private property. This trail request was made to continue the nature trail that originates in the Bluff Creek area. Staff felt that this item should appear before the Park and Recreation Commission for consideration before it is reviewed by the City Council. Update (November 24, 1987) The Park and Recreation Commission felt that the City's commit- ment to trails throughout the City is important. They felt that the nature trail along the rear of the lots would have minimum impact on the homes as it would be located a significant distance below the building pad. The Park and Recreation Commission voted unanimously to recommend denial of this request. . Park and Rec Commission Meeting Nov~mber 24, 1987 - Page 16 sietsema: I will send out a thank you to them when you've decided what you want to do with the money so I can tell them at that time what we're doing with it. . Robinson: Will that be on the next agenda? Sietsema: This item will be on the next agenda. Robinson: I mean what we're going to do with the money so we can get a thank you out to them before they've got another check into us. Sietsema: Yes. RECONSIDER TRAIL EASEMENT REQUEST ALONG THREE LOTS l! T BAR K DEVELOPMENT. Sietsema: What I put on the table is just a copy of the trail plan that shows how the trail plan is affected by this subdivision. Al Klingelhutz: I'm a realtor in town here. This is Karen Slater who owns the 10 acre tract that was subdivided into three lots south of Lyman Blvd. by the south side of TH 101 where it T's. We are having quite a problem with the fact that there is a 20 foot trailway on the road side of the property and an additional trailway system on the backside of the property . lich actually severs the lot from the low lying area and the high land. ..wice these lots have been sold with the understanding that is was just a conservation easement and wouldn't be a trailway and in checking with the city, the people had found out and this is my understanding that it was just a conservation easement to protect the wetland. People checking with the city found that it was through trail'.vay system and the lots have been cancelled out. The purchase of the lots has been cancelled out. The lady who purchased one of the lots was going to be here tonight. I think I was supposed to be notified of this meeting. Karen came to my house tonight and said the meeting is tonight and I was a little bit surprised that I wasn't notified. Sietsema: I thought you were going to be out of town so I sent it to her. Al Klingelhutz: And Cheryl Grant who was purchasing one of the lots definitely said she'd like to be here at the meeting to testify saying that she really feels that seing there is a 20 foot trailway system along the road should be sufficient and in order to have two trailway systems on the same piece of property, one in front of you and one if back of you, I wouldn't like it and I think if I questioned anyone of you in that same thing, I don't you would like that because it takes away so much of your privacy. You've got people walking in front of you. You've got people walking in back of you. You build your house in the middle, what do you have left for your own private property? Karen here is not capable of holding a job and she is pretty much depending on the money from these lots TO make a living. They aren't going to bring that big a dollars but they . e going to be real helpful in her making it. Far be it for me to say Park and Rec Commission Meeting Nov~mber 24, 1987 - Page 17 . anything against trailway systems because I think the original trailway system in Chanhassen was started when I was Mayor of this town. I don't know if you've seen that plan or not but there was quite a comprehensive trailway system and I think we took great care in not being detrimental to property. Virtually when you put two trailway systems like this on a piece of property, one in front and one in back, it's almost like a payment without compensation. The value of that property detriorates so much that you almost have to sell it for half of what it's worth because of the fact that the people who are buying these lots, they buy a lot of this size and nature for privacy and not to have people running past your front door and past your back door. Thank you. Hasek: What happens if we eliminate the trail system on Lyman Blvd. and leave the one in the rear? Al Klingelhutz: The rear one is really the one that's causing the problem. The front one along Lyman I think is more important for the total trail system of this city than the one in the rear because actually right now, it's this piece of property that would have a trail on it so it would probably be another 20 years before that trail would be completed on the rear of the property. Hasek: I guess .e concern as ecessarily. ere anyone on just in looking" at the trail plan here, I have perhaps the the owner does, that we surrounded a piece of property I'm not fam i 1 iar wi th the lay of the land out there. Is this commission who is? Lynch: I've seen it about a year ago. Hasek: Adjacent property to the west and to the east? Al Klingelhutz: Adjacent property to the west was all a cornfield this year. Part of the slough is on the adjacent property, a wetland. The adjacent property to the east is a 10 acre parcel and only one individual, one owner of the total farm to the south and east there. Watson: And he has a private residence there? Al Klingelhutz: south you have a there now and it down some of the to shape up. Hasek: Is the 60 acre parcel that's to the west, is that owned by one person? He has his own private residence on the property. nursery that has been bought. There's a growing looks they've done a lot of improvements on it. old buildings and they painted the barn and it's To the range They tore starti.ng Al Klingelhutz: That's owned by Earl Olasic, yes. 4i'ek: And that's the parcel that's bei.ng farmed right now? Park and Rec Commission Meeting I November 24, 1987 - Page 18 . Al Klingelhutz: Yes. Hasek: Is that tha t real high cornfield that's out there. It si ts kind of up in the woods back off the road a little bit? Al Kl ingelhutz: No, it's a fai r ly flat piece of land. The east end is a slough area or the wetland and the corn did come up to his property line right along Lyman Blvd.. It's actually the site for the proposed landfill. Hasek: I think the intent was to try and get, I don't remember this one? Sietsema: The Park and Recreation Commission did not see this. It was the Planning Commission that recommended these trails. It was not brought to us. Al Klingelhutz: I think you're looking at a trailway system on each side of this property right now. Hasek: I guess the question that I had in looking at the detail on this, it's very broad and I'm wondering if maybe one possibility wouldn't be to exchange an easement in the back or maybe an easement on the west property line. That would at least make, the connection to Lyman Blvd.. Mady: You're talking a nature trail to a nature trail. A nature trail is . t going to be paved. Hasek: That's true. However, there are going to be people on that trail and we've got one in the front. If I remember correctly, we looked at a parcel that wasn't dissimilar to this that was in the northwest corner of CR 117. Schroers: Lori, the trail that runs along the back of the property, are you familiar with that? Sietsema: I haven't walked it myself but this is one that Tim Erhart has walked this whole area and it connects up to the trails that he's building along his property that would potentially connect this area to the Bluff Creek trail system that is on the plan. Watson: It looks 1 ike it's forked. property line and along the south? of forked right in there. Are we actually running along the west The nature trail looks like it's kind Al Klingelhutz: As far as I know, there is no easement along the west property line at this time and I think that was after... Watson: Before it gets up to CR 18 doesn't really have the easements so we're only concerned about the southerly portion? "1. Klingelhutz: Actually when you look at this, it doesn't look like that . ~ture trail goes completely around too because when you get over by TH Park and Rec Commission Meeting ~ ~vember 24, 1987 - Page 19 101, it doesn't really show it again. Sietsema: There's a portion of it that needs to go in along with road improvements. It's still the preliminary one but there is a nature trail that would go all the way down to connect those two pieces. Al Klingelhutz: You mentioned Tim Erhart and I sort of discussed this with him and he kind of realized the problem he was creating there when I told him what was happening and I'm just wondering if I shouldn't have asked him up here tonight to talk to you about it too. Karen Slater: That swamp area, if you want to see swamp, go to the Arboretum. That's not far away. Mady: That's not the issue. We need to have trails and we're not going to tell our people they have to go to Eden prairie to use the trail and we're not going to tell them to go someplace else. I have a problem that the trail that we're asking for on the bottom part of this property is 32 feet below where you're going to be putting your house. That's a long ways. You're not going to be seeing these people. This is no different than any other trail easement we're putting in any other place. We're doing it at Chan Ponds. They're selling those parcels. I don't see the problem. I really don't. I'm sorry but we're asking for a nature trail on the bottom .ause the nature area exists down there and we want to preserve it. ple want nature areas because they're there. Al Klingelhutz: Can you tell me why people are cancelling out of their purchase agreements if it's no problem. Lynch: I have a hard time with that Al because I know people in M i nneapol i s tha t ha ve pa id ex tr a money to get a house tha t was on the Minneapolis trail system. Al Klingelhutz: This would be on the trail system. Here we've got trail systems on the same piece of property and that's the problem. don't think there would be an objection if there was only one trail on the piece of property. Watson: But the trail along the road though, along CR 18, it's not going to much different than people just moving along. two I system Mady: It's just sidewalk. This is no different than look at the ones in Eden Prairie. They're being built basically as sidewalks 8 feet wide. Al Klingelhutz: I don't see any problem with the one along the highway. Mady: And the one on the bottom is not going to be paved. It's basically for families going down there. It's not going to be kids tearing up and _n with the dirt bikes and skateboards. ~Klingelhutz: Are you sure? par~ and Rec Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Page 20 . Mady: It's not going to be paved so there will be dirt bikes but not skateboards. They won't be able to do it. Karen Slater: A real nice quiet little place down there. Mady: Well, the whole place is a quiet place. Boyt: I don't think we can have a developer coming in here and saying we decided we don't like your trails when we have our trail system developed and ask us to take them out. Al Klingelhutz: This came in after the fact. Because of the fact that the preliminary plat showed nothing about a trail system on the lower side of this property. When it came to final plat Mrs. Slater and her son Dan were not even here to defend the issue and I guess this is one thing that's bothered me to change horses after the middle of the stream had been crossed. The preliminary plat there were seven issues I believe and this trail system was something that was added to it after the preliminary plat was approved. Hasek: Was the trail added by the Park Board or by the Planning Commission? "A 1 Klingelhutz: I'm not sure who added it but it did come up before the . uncil? Hasek: Do we know who added it? Mady: I don't have a problem with it whether it was us or somebody else. Sietsema: I think it was added at the Planning Commission level. I do not believe that the Park and Recreation Commission saw this. Watson: There's no mention of this body as a part of that. Hasek: I have another question. It says there's a 12 inch underground pipeline across this property. What is that? Al Klingelhutz: William's Pipeline Company. That was actually before Mrs. Slater bought it. There is a telephone easement on the property but those easements are both blanket easements and are being taken care of and reduced to a definite easement on the property. Schroers: Are you have problems right now Mrs. Slater with people running through there with vehicles of any type or kind? Karen Slater: Only my own use of it right now. My son has been helping me take care of it because I have to have the money. You see this is my problem. . Park and fA .vember Mady: That's all fine and well. However, the thing in front of us is whether or not we should have a developer corne in front of us and ask us to remove a trail easement and that's what we have to look at. I'll tell you right now, I'd say no. Trai Is are there, the easemen t 's there and I don't see any reason why not to have it. Rec Commission Meeting 24, 1987 - Page 21 Karen Slater: I want to get the lots sold. Mady: You have the opportunity to sell that whole parcel also. The City has no responsibility as far as I'm concerned making sure that you can sell your piece of property for the money you want to sell it for. Karen Slater: I can't sell it for what I want. Mady: That's the problem you have. Al Klingelhutz: I think you're wrong in that Jim. I think the latest Supreme Court decision said that if there is a taking of property without just compensation, the property owner has the right to sue that municipality or whatever jurisdiction. Boyt: You need to bring that up with the City Council and City Attorney. We're park developers. ~KlingelhutZ: It is devaluing that property because I know for a fact that it is devaluing the property. We can bring with us the planned purchase agreements on the property and because of the fact that the trail easement is on the lower side of that property, they are cancelling out their purchase agreements. Mady: How was it presented to them AI? We've got developers corning in here, the guy came in here from Chan Ponds, he's happy with that thing now that he's seen how it's going to be developed. Al Klingelhutz: I think Chan Ponds is a little di fferent. You've got a wider trail system there. You've got a total park area there. You haven't got this 12 foot easement across your property just for people to walk on. I think by Kerber Pond is all together different things than this is because you've got a total area of land that the city has jurisdiction over where here you've got a 12 foot easement that the city is going to have jurisdiction over. It doesn't say providing for foot travel. It doesn't say snowmobiles can't travel on it. It doesn't say three wheel or motorcycles can't travel on it. Lynch: I'm stuck on the same thing. As far as a property owner effectively, inconvenienced or not inconvenienced, the builder over here really seems to think that those are his premium lots now because we did considerable negotiation with him. ~K1ingelhutz: Because they're overlooking a nice big pond. par\ and Rec Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Page 22 . Lynch: Not a big pond, it's a very small pond but if it was a slough like Rice Lake Marsh or whatever, I don't think that's exactly the point. We have a situation there where they do have on-street trails through that neighborhood. You do have a situation where, if it's planned right, the trail in Chan Pond's area is about the same distance from the hill as what you have here and the hill, your elevation is a little greater than what it is there even and there's no intervening cover over here. On those, the whole operation is seen as a positive thing. Now I can understand where you may have purchasers of a piece of property that as part of their ideal of a piece of a property required absolute, total isolation. I have friends that wouldn't live any other way but they're in a minority. Most of the people I know, myself included, if you say would any of you like to have the trail, yes I'd like to have to the trail very much. I have public street on both sides of my property. It spans a circle and that's always been used by everybody in the neighborhood as the pathway because we were lucky enough to have that neighborhood develop where there should have been pathways so we have a narrow residential road with a fairly high traffic level on both sides of our property and I don't feel that it detracts at all from the value of my house or the liveability of the property or the aesthetics of the property. I think if everything is known up front, there are buyers that will be attracted to the property. Maybe perhaps just the ones that were in there this time... Schroers: Is there any other solution? Is there a way of rerouting the . ail a little bit further away so that it wouldn't be inconvenient to the perspective buyer? Sietsema: The reason that the 886 contour line was chosen is to make sure that it would be on dry ground because there are cattails and wet areas below that. Lynch: I can't tell you for sure on this one but generally the city staff picks a contour that's above high water mark. The traditional high water mark. Schroers: I think that we already talked about that in our previous meeting didn't we about this particular area and keeping it up? Hasek: Not this one. We talked about another one. Schroers: But the same situation. Watson: AI, do you think this trail would be less threatening to people who were developed? Is it because it's kind of ambigious exactly where it is or whatever it is that's part of the problem? Al Klingelhutz: I don't know. The people I've been dealing with, it's like he said. They want absolute privacy and want to build back onto the bank overlooking the low area which would be right above the trailway - "s tern . . Park and ~ _ember Hasek: Just another question. If the trail were along the back property line, a 20 foot easement there, how would that effect it? Rec Commission Meeting 24, 1987 - Page 23 Al Klingelhutz: If the trail were completely on the back property line I don't think there would be any problem with it. It could never be used. Hasek: But is that why you're saying it would be problem because you know that it couldn't exist or if there was high ground there and had a trail system... Al Klingelhutz: I don't think it has near the effect on the property because this is that much more from where the house is. Hasek: So really in your mind it's kind of a question of the degree of the effect on the property. Al Klingelhutz: That's going to shorten the property line up. Most of the people are going to try to get back as far away from the highway as possible so it really brings it close to where this easement is. Hasek: I guess they're going to try not only to get away from the highway but if I were building on this, if I bought one of these things with a 12 inch William's Pipeline going through it, I'd want to build as far away em that too and I'm thinking that what's happening here is maybe not so h the trail but the lay of the land and everything and also the pipeline wanting to push people towards the back of the property. I guess it's like Jim said, we're a Park Board. I don't know that this body, I know that I had nothing to do with it. I understand the connection now. It seems to make some sense to me and just based on the graphic here and knowing that you had the opportunity to take this to the Planning Commission and Council both, I would recommend that the trail easement remain in place at the elevation 886. Hasek moved, Boyt seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend to deny the request for reconsideration of the trail easement along three lots in the T Bar K development and that it remain in place at the 886 elevation. All voted in favor and motion carried. Watson: On Friday I guess it was, my son and his friend walked on the trail between Greenwood Shores Park and Lake Ann Park. There is barbed wire allover on the ground within 2 feet of that trail all on city property. Dale Gregory: It just came up to us and Dean when down there today. Are you talking about the barbed wire that's on the ground or the fence that runs along the lake? .on: No, it's between Eckankar's property, most of it, and the trail it's a flat area. It's in the city's property. park~ and Rec Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Page 24 . Dale Gregory: But it's not the fence between the trail and the lake? Watson: No. Dale Gregory: fence. Right along the lake there's a fence, it's not a barbed wire Watson: NO, this is on the other side of the trail. This is on the field side of the trail and it's buried in the grass and some of it sticks up here and some it's in rolls on the edge. The boys found it and kids slide down there. Well, Eckankar is going to ruin that because they fenced that property but even on the other side of the trail, on the lake side of the trail there's a thing of barbed wire that sticks up out of the ground, straight up about this high and it comes up out of the dirt and there it is. It's just a great big barbed wire. Dale Gregory: We'll go down there and go through the whole thing tomorrow and make sure. Watson: Yes, because it runs all along there. Some places it comes up and it kind of rolls in the snow. To a cross country skier or anybody who happens to get off the path. Dale Gregory: I know that was the fence Lake Ann side and we went down and we I thought if I'm going to get that out. go down tomorrow and make sure. from Greenwood Shores all the way just took a quick look at that and What you're talking about, we'll . Watson: It's one of those old fences. but I really think... It's a pasture is really what it is Mady: I asked Lori about, there's some barbed wIre around... Dale Gregory: There's only two of us and we're so dog gone busy right now. Like I told Lori, we didn't get everything done this year that we had to get done and we really were hurting this year because we didn't get any CEDA help for one thing and we hired one part-time guy. That guy who works for me, his brother, he's 16 or 17 this year so he was able to drive but we're getting to the point now where we've got to have at least two people in the summer who can drive besides the two who are working there now because we've got enough grass right now and enough maintenance that we can keep two guys cutting grass during the week at all the parks and that doesn't leave us any time for playground equipment maintenance or any of that other stuff. Like I say, if we had had a rain that the grass would have really grown, we'd really be in trouble. I'm expressing the fact that we need young kids or high school kids that can ~rive. We get these CEDA kids and that and they can't drive. Watson: The reality of the situation is, we can't continue to develop -""Irks and build trail systems and stuff unless there are people to maintain . Jem because we're going to get into trouble when we can't maintain them. Park and ~ November . Hasek: Rec Commission Meeting 24, 1987 - Page 25 Watson: Isn't that also supposed to be figured into the budget. Not our budget. Sietsema: If there's not anything else for Dale we'll move on. Lynch: I wondered why because we did this years ago, Dale probably remembers this. Dale used to corne in once a year and we'd say Dale, this is your spot, how are things? And he'd say well. That's how he got that shed out at Lake Ann. It took 2 or 3 years for it to happen but that's how he got it and he'd say this is going well and that's going well. I'm having a problem here. We need to do something with this place. It wasn't all of it all wasn't always accepted but nobody here has more hands on experience than Dale does. What do the rest of you guys think about inviting Dale in at a certain once a year. Sietsema: Budget time would be good. Schroers: Let's extend an invitation to Dale to corne in any time he feels like it. Any time that he's got a concern or especially if there's some way that he thinks that we could help him, that he should be able to corne in here and address us any time he wants to. if nch: I think that should always be open but I would like to see us once ear, as sort of a stated maintenance update. Mady: I would have liked to have heard from him prior to the budget being passed so we could have made a recommendation to Council that they increase his budget if he's got maintenance problems. We need to start doing that. REVIEW PRE-CONCEPT PLANS OF PARK PARCELS IN LAKE SUSAN HILLS WEST TO DETERMINE IF THE RIME PROPER~S NEEDED TO SERVE ESTIMATED NEEDS.-- Mark Koegler: I think you're probably generally familiar with Lake Susan Hills West. Some of us are real familiar with it. We've seen it for over 10 years. The purpose of the discussion this evening is to take a look at this early on, relatively early on the in the review process of the whole thing and to assess whether or not the park that is being shown is adequate for neighborhood park purposes. Specifically looking at Outlots G, H, E and F down in this location. Those are the ones that have been dedicated or will be dedicated as a part of this proposal. The overall subdivision has a little over 1,300 units which has the capability of adding basically 25% of the city's current population. Approximately 2,700 additional people so there is obviously very substantial park impact that comes out of this project and it probably comes as no surprise. What we discussed the need to do is to assess the overall park demand and I think the best way to do that is to look at a couple of things. First of all some discussion on your nark about the level of facilities that you thing are going to be requi~ed for neighborhood park purposes and indicate now that realistically .. Park Commission is in a good position to do that judging from ~rience that you have with other parks around town. I think a . 4~S;., ( ( \ City Council Meeting - May 18, 1987 Councilman Johnson: '!he pipeline is there but the final plat before us tonight is missing that easement. Jo Ann Olsen: It doesn't show up on the final plat itself. Barbara Dacy: The pipeline company, they have a blanket easement on the entire route. Through every piece of property that the pipeline traverses, it's my understarxHng that they have a blanket easement. We can check. TErl Kemna is the Carver County surveyor that is dealing with the applicant. We'll double check that but that was our understarrling. Councilman Johnson: But as a future buyer walking in there, I have no idea until I look at the plat whether there's a William's Pipeline running underneath my property. Barbara Dacy: It should be part of the Abstract too. Councilman Johnson: Okay, if it's part of the Abstract. Barbara Dacy: We can easily double check that. Councilman Johnson: My question is, should it be on this drawing? Barbara Dacy: '!he Carver County surveyor can answer that. Gary Warren: Not all easements show on plats. Counci lman Johnson: Not all easements have to be shown on plats? Okay, I wasn't sure of that. Gary Warren: Trail easements for example don't. Councilman Johnson: Trail easements don't show on plats. Well, that eliminates my next question. I think Dale eliminated my last question which was do all the preliminary corrlitions apply. Mayor Hamil ton: '!hey do. Counci lman Johnson: It looks like in the recommended we only had three corrlitions but then in addition to those three there are the other ten. Mayor Hamilton moved, Councilman Geving seconded for approval of T-Bar-K Estates for final plat #87-21 with the following corrlitions along with the conditions that were passed previously on preliminary plat approval: 1. Lot 1 shall be permitted a driveway 10catErl 200 feet east of the west property ,'done. 2. Lots 2 and 3 shall share a driveway on the property line between Lots 2 and 3. 24 tr -- ~ j 1 . ~ ( ( 47 \ City Council Meeting - May 18, 1987 ~ A 20 foot trail easement along the northern boundary and a 12 foot ~ easement along the 886 contour for a nature trail shall be dedicated to the City. All voted in favor except Councilman Horn and motion carried. STATE AID DESIGNATION, LYMAN BOULEVARD/LAKE RILEY BOULEVARD. Gary Warren: To give you a little overview. What I'm showing here on the overhead is the total State Aid system that the City has designated to date. The dark and the dash lines are the roads that we currently have on our State Aid mileage aoo they total to a little over 11 miles. Based on State Aid quotas, etc. we are allotted to 13.06 miles that we can designate for State Aid. Back in September Bill Monk sent Chuck Weichselbaum, the State Aid Engineer, a request to include Lyman Blvd. and Lake Riley on the State Aid system and after catching up myself and talking with State Aid, they were waiting for the City of Eden Prairie to designate their abutting or adjoining roadways that would provide as they call it continuity to let that happen. Since that time, the City of Eden Prairie has done that so that has paved the way for us to formally request that that road be placed on the system. Likewise, West 78th Street, shown here, currently has County State Aid designation but our downtown redevelopnent project with some developments in the area, the James property, we've been working with the County to get them to remove their County State Aid designation so we could have more flexibility in our design for the downtown area. But to protect the continuity of Kerber Blvd. which is State Aid road, we needed to replace that distance with our own mileage so that we wouldnlt have a problem with the State. Otherwise, we basically lose the southern half of Kerber Blvd.. So actually we're talking three roads because Lyman Blvd. and Lake Riley Blvd. are separate here but basically those three roads have received preliminary approval from the State Aid engineer for adding to our mileage and the resolutions tonight if authorized, we would submit a formal petition to have them added to the system which basically would fill out our compliment of State Aid roadways. Long range down the road, Pleasant View Road probably will be taken off of the State Aid system. The State hasnlt caught up with us basically in that regard. wi th the development in the Near Mountain area i tis no longer looked at as a major connection so it will probably come off. Mayor Hamil ton moved, Councilman Horn seconded to adopt resolutions for designation of municipal state aid highways for the following roadways and also directing Staff to submit these resolutions to the Commissioner of Transportation for his consideration: Resoultion #87-46(a): Lyman Boulevard east of TH 101 to Lake Riley Boulevard. Resolution #87-46(b): Lake Riley Boulevard from Lyman Boulevard north and east to the city limits. Resolution #87-46(c): West 78th Street between Kerber Boulevard and Powers Boulevard. All voted in favor and motion carried. 25 I jr ,,", ~ c:: ~ I l...c:::;:: I g I Q.. I I~__ ~ ! r J \ /1) t- L iIJI IX> r IN ~ 3 1-0:-:-_ -=-~- (j\" ~ I_ b ".. <: I II~ ~ ~ s- It o -., r-~ D~ :t.~ )\)<4" ~~ gf (')~ . .fi:-- lSo IT'}-'' ~f (J) "., ~ o -., fil I) 1\ ~ ,I ..c;: ,..... 0) - ~ \ ?\) "t) I\} 00 ,.. ---. .- '<)Q, ~- (.p 1> L__ - & U (]'I o .. \ - IQ ---- Ii ~ ! Ii ~ Van Doren Hazard Stallings _." EnginMfs" Plonner.; 3030 Harbor Lane North, Suite 104 Minneapolis, Minnesota 55441 6121553.1950 ~ TO: Chanhassen Park and Recreation Canmission and Staff FR<::M: Mark Koegler ~ ~TE: November 19, 1987 SUBJ: lake Susan Hills West PUD . The purpose of this report is to conduct a preliminary analysis of the proposed park dedication for the Lake Susan Hills West Planned Unit Development (PUD). '!his effort is being conducted to determine whether or not the proposed parcels contain adequate land to accommodate neighborhood park needs. There are a variety of ways to assess park demand resulting from the construction of this development. Upon canpletion, Lake Susan Hills West PUD will contain 1007 dwelling units which at 2.75 people per unit results in a new population of 2770 people. This development alone represents approximately a 25% increase in the city's current population. Lake Susan Hills West establishes four outlots for park purposes: E, F, G and H (see Exhibits 1-4). Together, they total 65.7 acres which meets the dedication requirements established by ordinance. The question remains, however, as to whether or not useable portions of these sites can meet actual needs. . In order to address this issue, it is important to do two things: (1) quantify the need and identify needed facilities, and (2) prepare "thumbnail" sketches of placement of needed facilities. Assessment of the need for various types of facilities can best be addressed by the Park and Recreation Commission. Drawing on experience in existing parks, the COmmission needs to determine the number of ball diamonds, tennis courts, hockey rinks, picnic areas, etc. required to adequately serve the residents of Lake Susan Hills West. Placement of facilities within the four park areas must be responsive to property dimensions, slope, tree cover, wetlands and adjacent land uses. . Thumbnail sketches depicting h~thetical facilities on each of these sites have been assembled to assist 1n visualizing the capacity of each of these areas. Again, the sketches are only preliminary concepts which will be subject to further refinement at a later date. Each of the outlots are reviewed ser;:arately as follows: Outlot G - 9.8 acres Outlot G is located in the northern part of the PUD. The park's 9.8 acres are accessible to the public from two walkway areas and along the Creek Drive street frontage. Exhibit 5 contains and overview of potential development on this site. The sketch depicts a layout with one 285' ball diarond with soccer overlay, two tennis courts, parking, a hockey rink and a picnic area. Outlot H - 3.9 acres Outlot H (Exhibi t 6) is in the east central portion of the development. It contains street frontage along County Road 17 and a proposed walk-in access from a cul-de-sac at the northeast corner of the site. '!he limited size of this area precludes the installation of a variety of active uses. As the sketch shows, it can accommodate a 250' ball diamond and two tennis courts. Outlot E - 33.9 acres Outlot E which is located in the southeast corner of the development is the largest r;:ark outlot containing 33.9 acres. Of this total, a majority of the . site is within designated wetland areas. For all practical purposes, this precludes major active use of this outlot. It may be possible to place some facilities in the center of the site, however, this area is not served by convenient pedestrian or vehicular access. Outlot E is likely to be used primarily for passive purposes. As a result, no sketch has been canpleted for this site. Outlot F - 18.1 acres Outlot F is an irregularly shaped 18.1 acre site in the soutlvest portion of the development. The outlot is divided by an area of extremely steep slopes and by a Williams Bros. pipeline alignment which runs from northwest to southeast. The presence of the slope area divides the site into two useable areas. On the upper area, the sketch (Exhibit 7) shows a 285' ball diamond, soccer field, open space and parking area. en the lower portion, the sketch depicts a 250' ball diamond, two tennis courts, a picnic area and a sledding hill. . . . . As the sketches indicate, the parkland contained in Outlots E, F, G and H can accommodate four ball diamonds, at least six tennis courts, picnic areas, sledding hills, three minimum size soccer fields (one free-standing), parking, walkways, passive observation areas, open space and other uses. The key question is whether or not these tyPes and numbers of facilities can handle tre need generated by this new residential area. If the Park and Recreation Canmission finds that these areas are adequate to serve neighborh:>od recreation needs, no further action needs to be taken at this time. If the finding is that these areas are for some reason inadequate, alternatives need to be examined. The most probable alternative for the expansion of neighborhood park areas serving the Lake Susan Hills West PUD is the acquisition of additional property immediately west of the upper portion of Outlot F. Land lying west of the existing prOPerty line is relatively flat for four to five hundred feet and could accommodate additional active facili ties. Planned useage of any of the proposed facilities has an impact on their adequacy. Outlot G, for example, is across the street from a planned industrial area and adjacent to a planned high-density residential area. 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Outlot F ~... l, r ; l' , i J ~'f-'; Exhibit 4 ''', "'. "" " . I / // /; .. : II B_ - . -- -- " Exhibit 7 t Plan - Outlot F Concep . . e ..-..---- .....", ./ \ .,/' \,../ ./ ../- ../' .' . / .' . I . . /-", : ) \ , " \ " \ \ \ \ \ , \ \ ' \ \ I i \ . .. --- - --- ----... -.-..-..---..-... .. ----. :e Exhibit 5 Concept Plan - Outlot G r . I I l I ( . I I i I i \ \ . \ . I . , \ \ \ \ ~ '," \ \ .../..' - "- ~.. \ " ~ '-"-"-"".. '.. ~ r--~ --_."" "'-........ I . /" - o '-.. , , . . 1 . I . I . I "........ --. ..~ .. / -..- .. ".. .. ./ .- . /' / ,., .,/ /' ! I' . ~ I I : I I I ( i . Exhibit 6 Concept Pfan - Outlot H 1 . CITY 0 F CBAHBASSEH 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: November 18, 1987 ~ SUBJ: Recreation Section of Comprehensive Plan . At Tuesday's meeting we will be discussing the Recreation section of the Comprehensive Plan. The Commission had expressed that more time was needed to review the plan and such was given. Please be prepared to discuss any concerns you may have regarding the philosophy reflected by the document, standards set, or wording. Staff will take all final additions, changes or dele- tions and bring back a draft copy for your final review before the end of the year. If you do not have your copies of the plan, please contact me and I will get one to you. . 8 CITY 0 F CHAHHASSEH . 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: November 16, 1987 ~ SUBJ: Update on Park Related Items Tennis Courts The tennis court construction at Greenwood Shores and North Lotus Lake is nearly complete. The pavement is down and the fencing is up. The projects will be completed next spring when the color coating is put on. Lake Susan Hills West . The City Council has had a number of discussions regarding the PUD. To date, all of the Park and Recreation Commission's con- cerns have been addressed in the Concept Agreement, including: - 9 acre park adjacent to high density area; - 4 acre park on the east side of Powers Blvd; - 18 acre park on the southwest end of the development; - An 8 ft. bituminous trail along the west side of Lake Susan; - 5 ft. sidewalks along all connecting streets throughout the development; - 8 ft. bituminous trail along Powers and Audubon Road; - Grading of all park sites. . . CITY 0 F eBANBASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 MEMORANDUM TO: Park and Recreation Commission FROM: Lori Sietsema, Park and Recreation Coordinator DATE: November 5, 1987 SUBJ: Park and Recreation Commission November Meeting The November 10, 1987, Park and Recreation Commission meeting has been cancelled as there are no items seeking immediate action. As promised when we went to a semi-monthly schedule, meetings would be cancelled if there are no pressing issues. . The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, November 24, 1987. Please let me know well in advance if you are unable to make this meeting as there will be items that need to be addressed by that time. See you then! .