8b. Villages on the Ponds: Comprehensive Land Use Plan Amendment, Rezoning, Preliminary Plat, etc.CITY OF
y CHANHASSEN
PC DATE: July 17, 1996
July 24, 1996
CC DATE: August 12, 1996
CASE #: 95 -2 PUD, 96 -LUP,
96 -5 WF,T_ 96 -4 VAC
STAFF REPORT
PROPOSAL: Request for Comprehensive Land use plan amendment from Office /industrial,
Institutional, Residential Medium Density, Residential Low Density to Mixed Use - Commercial, High
Density Residential, Institutional and Office; Preliminary planned unit development for up to 307,000
sq. ft. of commercial /office buildings, 100,000 sq. ft. of institutional buildings, and 322 dwelling units;
Rezoning from IOP and RSF to PUD, Planned Unit Development; Preliminary plat for 13 lots and 3
outlots and public right -of -way; Wetland Alteration Permit to fill and excavate wetlands on site;
Vacation of right -of -way and easements; Environmental Assessment Worksheet (EAW) findings; and
Indirect Source Permit Review for the Villages on the Ponds project on 66.12 acres.
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ACREAGE:
gross: 66 acres
DENSITY:
322 residential units
INTENSITY
Commercial - 247,000 sq. ft / office - 203,600 sq. ft.
ADJACENT ZONING
AND LAND USE:
N - BH, Highway 5
S - RSF
E - BN and PUD
W - IOP, Rosemount
WATER AND SEWER: Available to site
PHYSICAI1 CHARACTER._Lowlandbardwood forest, wet�anTs, steep sloes, s%gnificant
elevation change.
2000 LAND USE PLAN: Office/Industrial and Institutional north of Great Plains Boulevard;
High Density Residential east of Great Plains Boulevard and cul -de -sac; Low Density Residential
south of Great Plains Boulevard; Medium Density Residential and Office west of Highway 101
LOCATION: South of Hwy. 5 between Great Plains Blvd. and Market Boulevard
APPLICANT: Lotus Realty Services
P. O. Box 235
Chanhassen. MN 55317
PRESENT ZONING: IOP and RSF
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PROPOSAL /SUMMARY
The applicant is requesting a Comprehensive Land Use Plan amendment from Office /industrial,
Institutional, Residential Medium Density, Residential Low Density to Mixed Use - Commercial,
High Density Residential, Institutional and Office; Preliminary planned unit development for up to
307,000 sq. ft. of commercial /office buildings, 100,000 sq. ft. of institutional buildings, and 322
dwelling units; Rezoning from IOP and RSF to PUD, Planned Unit Development; Preliminary plat
for 13 lots and 3 outlots and public right -of -way; Wetland Alteration Permit to fill and excavate
wetlands on site; Vacation of right -of -way and easements; Environmental Assessment Worksheet
' (EAW) findings; and Indirect Source Permit Review for the Villages on the Ponds project on 66.12
acres.
The overall intent of the development is to provide an expansion of downtown Chanhassen and to
create a commercial- office- residential (mixed use) activity center which compliments the existing
' downtown and provides additional comparison retailing opportunities and residential support to
both the existing and expanded downtown. The overall theme of the center is pedestrian friendly in
village scale and traditional character, using both on and off - street and underground parking and
traditional architecture of midwestern vernacular character.
The village core (Sector 1) will be characterized by small one and two story retail /office structures
with architectural detailing reminiscent of traditional, vernacular architecture. With the addition of
upper level apartments, structures may be increased to three stories and a loft with street level
office /retail. Buildings will have a mixture of pitched and flat roofs with a variety of gables, gabled
windows, and chimneys. Structures will be placed close to the public way similar to a small
downtown area. Structures will often be linked by roofs, canopies and low walls.
' The Highway 5 (Sector In component of the development proposes the use of smaller one story
building pads of 5, 000 - 15,000 square feet with the exception of the motel/hotel building that will
be up to three stories with a larger building footprint.
' The institutional (Sector III) component is located in the eastern part of the site portion of the site.
The area is the relocation site for St. Hubert's Church and school. The building will consist of two
' stories and a total building area of 100,000 square feet at build out.
The residential/office (Sector IV) component of the development consists of condominium type
high density on the western portion of the site and open space on the southern portion ofthe site.
The high density development would be limited to two building pads built in multiple stories, four
plus a loft, with underground parking. An potential office site is located in the northern part of the
i site. The office building would be limited to two stories. As an alternative, the office building
could be replaced with a third condominium. Building pads will be located in open or plateau areas
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of the parcels, maintaining existing vegetation and sloped areas. Underground parking shall also be ,
incorporated into the site design to lessen disruption of the site.
An open space component exists in the southern portion of the site below the existing city trail r
system. The applicant is proposing that these areas be utilized for active recreational uses, tennis
courts and a soccer field. Staff believes that a greater benefit would be achieved for the community
if these areas were left in a more natural state, preserving the majority of the trees and the r
topography of the area.
The applicant is proposing an environmentally sensitive development of the site that will retain r
major hardwoods, preserve steep slopes, and protect and enhance wetland areas. This will be
accomplished through limitations on building pads, providing underground parking, vertical r
development of the structures, and the preservation of open spaces.
Due to the scope of the project, a mandatory Environmental Assessment Worksheet (EAW) has r
been prepared for this project. (The project scored a ratio of 2.5; scores in excess of 1.0 require
mandatory EAW.) The project is just below the threshold for a mandatory Environmental Impact
Statement (score of 0.96 with a mandatory EIS for scores in excess of 1.0). r
Summary of EAW Issues
Project Description: The site is generally open space with the exception of TH 101/Market
Boulevard and Great Plains Boulevard and one existing residence. The site consists of a mixture
of wetlands, brushland, woodland, and some open grassland. The site has been previously r
disturbed by human activity such as cultivation, grazing, logging, and road construction. Areas
of significant slopes, in excess of 12 percent, are scattered throughout the property with two areas
adjacent to Lake Susan that meet the city's bluff ordinance definition.
Directly to the north of the site is TH 5 and downtown Chanhassen. Most of this area is
developed with commercial uses. West of the site is developed with light industrial /office use.
Lake Susan, Riley Creek, and Rice Marsh Lake are located south of the site along with single
family residential lots. East of the site consists of single family residential and commercial r
developments. The proposed mixed use development incorporates office, retail, a church/school,
hotel, restaurants and residential units within a village area. The proposed development is
cbmpatible .with surrounding uses.
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Wetlands and storm water: A wetland delineation was completed in November 1925 using the
1987 Manual for Delineating Jurisdictional Wetlands. Eight wetlands were identified within the r
site and delineated in the field. Based on the proposed master development plan, five wetlands
would be impacted by the project, two of which would be completely filled.
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The site plan reduces wetland impacts by avoiding four wetlands and by incorporating several
wetland areas into the site design. The two DNR Protected Waters, wetlands 3000 and 4000,
' will not be impacted by the project. Wetlands 1000 and 8000 will also be avoided. A total of
2.44 acres of wetland is impacted by the proposed project.
Six storm water detention basins with an area of approximately two acres will be constructed on
site. All of the pond areas are located adjacent to or upstream of existing wetlands. The storm
water ponds will minimize water quality and quantity impacts to the wetland areas by controlling
' the amount of bounce, i.e., the rise in the water level during storm events, and by filtering
nutrients and sediments in storm water runoff. Storm water treatment ponds are to be
constructed in six locations to treat virtually all site runoff before entering into any wetlands,
lakes or creek.
Wetland mitigation is proposed at a ratio of 2:1 for the wetlands being impacted. Sequencing
will need to be discussed with the permitting agencies and appropriate alternatives will need to
be reviewed. On site mitigation areas are being considered for wetland replacement with the
potential for the creation of 1.3 acres of wetland creation. These wetland mitigation areas will
require the removal of existing tree canopy.
' Tree coverage: Young woodlands cover approximately 26 acres of the site. A tree inventory
was completed for the site to determine the number and species of significant trees on site. A
significant tree is defined by the City of Chanhassen as any tree greater than a 12 inch diameter at
' breast height (dbh). The survey identified 464 trees with a dbh of 12 inches or greater. The
majority of these trees are cottonwood, poplar, willow or boxelder (51 percent). Roughly eight
percent are red or bur oaks. The remaining trees are a mixture of elm, ash, basswood, red cedar,
' hackberry, and silver maple.
The canopy coverage for the site was estimated based on 1994 aerial photography from DNR
Forestry. The total canopy coverage was calculated at 26 acres which represents 42 percent of
the site. Based on the city's tree preservation ordinance, development of the site would need to
preserve a minimum of 10.4 acres of canopy area to avoid the tree replacement requirement. If
less than the required minimum canopy coverage is preserved, than tree replacement plantings
- - are- required at -a ratio of 1.2:1 for the canopy coverage area being removed with a planting, -
requirement of 40 trees per acre. ti
Due to the grade change of nearly 100 feet from north to south within the site, preserving existing
trees while preparing the site for urban type development is difficult. The plan preserves canopy
' on the slopes adjacent to the lakes and creek and just north of the trail. A total of 6.1 acres of
canopy is area are being preserved. An additional one acre of canopy area is removed if wetland
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mitigation is done on site. Based on the city's tree preservation ordinance and without additional
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tree preservation or loss, the development would be required to provide replacement plantings of
206 trees.
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Traffic: A traffic operation analysis of the proposed development was completed to document
the intersections affected by the proposed development, to estimate the average daily traffic with
the proposed development, to identify capacity limitations, and to identify potential mitigative
measures. Regional access to the site is provided east and west by TH 5 and north and south by
TH 101. Local site access is through TH 101 (Market Boulevard) on the west and Great Plains
Boulevard and Lake Drive East on the east.
The analysis demonstrates that the change in operations from the existing conditions at the
intersection along TH 5 are not solely due to the proposed development. The background traffic
growth in the area accounts for 45 to 65 percent of the traffic forecast at the two TH 5
intersections. Even without the project generated traffic, traffic volumes are expected to be near '
or over capacity due to background traffic growth.
The traffic analysis concluded that the predicted traffic generated by the site does not
significantly change the level of service that would occur without the project. Mitigation
measures suggested do not alleviate the problem. The source of traffic congestion is beyond the
control of this project. Traffic mitigation would require the provision of an alternate traffic '
system on TH 5 such as proposed on TH 212.
Conclusion: There appear to be no significant environmental issues requiring further '
investigation prior to project commencement. Required on site utility and transportation
improvements will be designed and constructed as part of the project. The wetland loss will be
mitigated in full compliance with city, state, and federal requirements. Tree loss will be replaced
pursuant to the city tree preservation ordinance and site plan landscaping requirements. The
project has been planned to minimize future environmental impacts and will be constructed with
significant emphasis on control of erosion and sedimentation control.
Staff believes that there are numerous potential benefits for mixed use projects. A mixed use
development would be unique to the city and would provide a focal point on the fringe of the '
downtown area and additional, vitality to the community. The village concept provides a
pedestrian friendly environment and the provision of transit services where people live,
work, and play, elements which are found in neotraditional development principals and the ,
livable communities act.
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The applicant has prepared a well conceived, distinctive, creative and well balanced development
proposal. However, the following issues still need to be addressed and articulated to more fully
meet the goals of neotraditional, new urbanism ideas:
' 1. The building pads for the smaller commercial buildings in Sector II are not fully integrated
into the development. These buildings should be located in closer proximity to the Sector I
' development, creating a secondary pedestrian plaza area parallel to Lake Drive.
2. Pedestrian circulation, especially in Sector II, is disjointed and inconvenient, being lost in a
' sea of parking.
' 3. Traffic control devices, road geometrics, and turning movements need to be more closely
investigated. The city has submitted the traffic study prepared as part of the EAW to Strgar-
Roscoe- Fausch, Inc. for review and comment.
' 4. The areas proposed for soccer fields and tennis courts should remain in their natural state or
be used for the benefit of the environment, not indiscriminately destroyed. We believe that
' an alternate location in closer proximity to the school is appropriate for the soccer field.
5. Additional wetland preservation can be achieved in wetland 2000 through redesign of this
' area.
6. Jurisdictional authority for Great Plains Boulevard and Highway 101 will need to be resolved
' before the public vacation of these areas can be processed.
The comprehensive plan does not prohibit commercial development outside the existing central
' business area; rather, it states that fringe development would be minimized until the central
business district was largely completed. Currently, there exists approximately 12 acres of vacant
commercial land within the downtown area. Of this land, approximately eight acres is not
currently under review for development in the near future (Lots 2 and 3, Block 1, Crossroads
Plaza 3rd Addition and Lot 2, Block 3, Park Addition, and Lot 1, Block 6, Hidden Valley
Addition). In addition, there is approximately six acres of land that could be redeveloped. In
' 1991, the city had a supply of 118 acres of vacant commercial land within the Municipal Urban
- Services Area (MUSA) line. This 1 -18 acres was anticipated to be adequate commercial land to -
accommodate Chanhassen's growth through 1995. .. As can be seen; this land will be rapidly
' exhausted.
' The comprehensive plan goal is to provide a mixture of development assuring a high quality of
life and reliable tax base. While there is no magic formula for determining the amount of
commercial land that is appropriate for a community, the appropriate amount of commercial or
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industrial land for Chanhassen is a function of the community's vision, its needs, the ability to
transition between uses, infrastructure availability, and the trade area. Based on staff review of
other communities, it appears that the comprehensive plan has an insufficient amount of
commercial land at the current rate of approximately 2 percent of the land area (272 acres). "The
comprehensive plan recognizes the need for commercial expansion in the future" (Land Use
Element page 24). A reasonable goal may be to provide between 3 and 5 percent commercial
land area at build out which represents approximately 400 to 600 acres of commercial land.
While there is no definitive amount of commercial land that should be located in a community,
based on staff's review of available literature, a target of approximately five percent commercial
land may be a reasonable amount ( The Community Builders Handbook "Recent Land Use
Trends in Forty -Eight Large American Cities" and "Bringing Land -Use Ratios into the `90s ").
Currently, the city has approximately 2 percent of its land area guided for commercial uses. An
additional 8 percent of the land area is guided for office and industrial uses. From a tax
standpoint, non - residential development and land constitute approximately 15 percent of the total
valuation in the city. Within Carver County, the 1995 valuation and taxes are distributed as
follows:
TYPE
Residential
Apartments
Commercial
TOTAL
VALUATION
VALUE PERCENT
$789,043,100 86%
$ 11,117,000 1%
$118,836,600 13%
$918,996,700 100%
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TAXES
TYPE
Residential
Apartments
Commercial
TOTAL
TAXES
$12,524,126
$ 356,325
$ 5,282,228
$18,162,679
PERCENT
69%
2%
29%
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Chanhassen's land use goal is. to "achieve a mixture of development of mixture [sic] which will
assure a high quality of fife and a reliable ak base. A - specific'poncy states: "Recognizing that
some uses pay their way in terms of the property taxes they generate and some uses do.not,
Chanhassen will strive for a mixture of development which will assure its financial wSJl being."
As can be seen by the above valuation and tax distribution, this mixture has not been reached.
While the city is moving in a positive direction to achieve a reliable and mixed tax base and this
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' gap will continue to be reduced based on vacant commercial and industrial land, we still remain
overly dependent on residential development for taxes.
The specific benefits that may accrue to the community through the expansion of commercial
uses within the Ward property include expansion of the non - residential tax base, provision of
additional commercial and service opportunities for Chanhassen residents, especially those south
of Highway 5, creation of a unique development entity (mixed use development) within the
community, provision of opportunities for complementary commercial development for the
downtown area, and maintenance of the downtown area as the commercial heart of the
' community.
In order for the city to provide a full range of shopping opportunities for Chanhassen residents,
additional retail space should fill niches that are not currently available in the community. Some
examples are apparel and accessory stores, specialty stores, upscale restaurants, and personal
services. In addition, within commercial areas, office users can be located.
There are very few areas in the community where high density residential development could be
' done. Additionally, the multi - family within this development is strategically located adjacent to
an office and commercial area. Staff believes that it will be somewhat easier to develop
affordable for sale housing and very difficult to have rental housing built. Staff therefore
believes that without a commitment to the provision of rental housing within the Villages
proposal, then there is not sufficient benefit to the community to warrant the granting of a PUD
for this project.
Staff is recommending that the preliminary project approval be granted with the modifications to
the plan and the appropriate conditions contained in this staff report.
' BACKGROUND
' On December 11, 1995, the City Council granted conceptual approval of PUD #92 -1 Villages on
the Pond sketch plan stamped received December 5, 1995 with the following conditions:
' 1. The retail /services uses shall be considered to be limited to a maximum of 25 percent of the
- building area within the 20 acre parcel located in the central portion of the site. The
retail/service-uses `shall be support commercial to the office, residential, and institutional.
uses.
2. The uses for the 9.2 acre parcel of land adjacent to Lake Susan shall be limited to office and
' medium density residential uses.
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3. The applicant has expressed the potential for preserving the ridge line that runs east -west '
across the northern portion of the site. This option should be further investigated as the
project moves forward in the review process. In addition, the area south of the trail system '
on the south end of the parcel should be maintained in its entirety. As an alternative, the
density that is proposed for these areas could be transferred elsewhere on the PUD or be used
to meet non - impervious surface coverage for the entire project.
4. A mandatory Environmental Assessment Worksheet must be completed for this project.
5. The applicant shall develop individualized development standards for each parcel including
setbacks, building heights and bulk, maximum building square footage, and the proposed
specific uses. '
6. The applicant shall better define the "vernacular" to be used within the project. Specific
architectural development standards shall be developed and these standards shall be used in
all land uses within the project.
7. The applicant, in conjunction with the city, shall develop a strategy for the provision of I
affordable housing within the project.
8. The applicant shall work with the city and Southwest Metro Transit for the provision of mass
transit opportunities within the development.
9. The applicant shall develop a tree preservation plan for the project. '
10. The applicant shall develop specific methodology for the preservation of trees, slopes, and
wetlands.
11. Lake Drive East shall be constructed in accordance with State Aid standards. The remaining '
public streets shall be built in accordance to the City's industrial standards. Lake Drive East
will require an 80 -foot wide right -of -way and the southerly loop street a 60 -foot wide right -of-
way. '
12. All access points onto Trunk Highway 101 will be subject to City and MnDOT review and - - - -
approval -
13. The applicant and staff shall investigate the use of parking on public streets that does not
interfere with traffic congestion and public safety. '
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I 14. The applicant should prepare a traffic study to provide data justifying access points and to
determine necessary roadway improvements required by this type of land use.
' 15. Trunk Highway 101 will require upgrading in order to meet the traffic demands of this
development. -
' 16. All public improvements shall be designed and constructed in accordance with the City's latest
edition of standard specifications and detail plates for construction. The applicant will be
required to enter into a development contract with the City and provide a financial security to
guarantee installation of the public improvements and conditions of approval.
' 17. The applicant shall implement the City's Surface Water Management Plan with regards to
accommodating water quality and quantity measures with regards to surface water runoff from
the site.
1 18. The City administers the State Wetland Conservation Act (WCA) and the City's Wetland
Ordinance. Staff requires the following information for wetlands: a wetland delineation report
' by a qualified wetland delineator, wetlands delineated on the grading and drainage plan,
wetland alteration and mitigation areas shown on the grading and drainage plan, the applicable
permit application for wetland alteration.
19. In addition to the requirements of the WCA, the City also requires a buffer strip and buffer strip
monumentation around the wetlands. The buffer strip width required for natural wetlands is 10
' to 30 feet with a minimum average width of 20 feet and the buffer strip width required for an
ag/urban wetland is 0 to 20 feet with a minimum average width of 10 feet. The principal
structure setback for these wetlands is 40 feet measured from the outside edge of the buffer
strip.
20. The applicant shall make a commitment to provide for rental housing in the development.
21. The applicant shall incorporate additional internal pedestrian facilities within the development.
' 22. The applicant shall develop design parameters to buffer the existing residential neighborhoods
to the east from this development.
23: The applicant shall develop comprehensive signage and lighting standards which arecorisistent
with the traditional architecture of the project as outlined in the staff report.
' 24. The density between the existing residential and the proposed residential shall be medium
density (4 to 8 units per acre) and not high density.
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25. No bi g box users shall be permitted within the development. ,
Site Characteristics t
The site has rolling terrain with elevation changes from 967 in the north to 879 in the south. '
There are several areas of steep slopes exceeding 10 percent that are located throughout the
property. The site is covered by lowland hardwood forest species. Areas of mature trees are
interspersed with young trees and open fields. Wetlands are located throughout the site with '
Riley Creek connecting Lake Susan with Rice Marsh Lake running across the southern quarter of
the parcel.
REZONING '
Justification for Rezoning to PUD I
The applicant is requesting the rezoning approximately 66 acres from IOP and RSF to PUD,
Planned Unit Development. There are four components to the PUD: commercial, office, multi- '
family and institutional. The following review constitutes our evaluation of the PUD request.
The review criteria is taken from the intent section of the PUD Ordinance.
Section 20 -501. Intent '
Planned unit developments offer enhanced flexibility to develop a site through the relaxation of
most normal zoning district standards. The use of the PUD zoning also allows for a greater
variety of uses, internal transfer of density, construction phasing, and a potential for lower
development costs. In exchange for this enhanced flexibility, the City has the expectation that '
the development plan will result in a significantly higher quality and more sensitive proposal than
would have been the case with the other more standard zoning districts.
FINDINGS '
It will be the applicant's responsibility to demonstrate that the City's expectations are to be '
realized as evaluated against the following criteria: - -..- - - -- - --
1. Preservation of desirable site characteristics and open space and protection of sensitive ,
environmental features, including steep slopes, mature trees, creeks, wetlands,,lakes and
scenic views. I
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Finding. The applicant has expressed the desire to develop the site in an environmentally
sensitive manner to protect slopes, existing vegetation, and wetlands. They propose to
accomplish this through the limitation on the size and location of building pads on site,
through the use of vertical development of sites, and through the use of underground
parking to fulfill part of the required parking requirements as well as through shared
parking within the site and provision of transit opportunities.
While the northern portion of the site will be mass graded to accommodate the proposed
urban development, a trade -off should be made to leave a part of the site untouched. The
area south of the trail system on the south end of the parcel should be maintained in its
entirety in its natural state, or as an alternative left as open space. The preservation of this
area not only benefits the entire community, but permits other areas of the site to be
developed more intensively. In addition, this area provides a wildlife corridor between
the two lakes.
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More efficient and effective use of land, open space and public facilities through mixing
of land uses and assembly and development of land in larger parcels.
Finding. The applicant is proposing a true mixed use development incorporating
commercial, office, and residential opportunities. There is significant potential for
preservation of natural features on the site including wetland, slopes, and woodlands.
Ingredients that should be well - incorporated into the recipe for success of Villages on the
Pond include shaded sidewalks and parking, fountains, shrub and flower beds, hanging
flower baskets and open space. Landscaping, architecture and the visual avoidance of
parking lots all work to pull communities together both physically and mentally. On the
whole, the Villages' concept works diligently to encompass these qualities, however, a
breakdown occurs along the northern edge of the development near Highway 5. Here,
sidewalks are lost in parking lots and storefronts will be hidden behind cars. Any
continuity in the landscape is interrupted by the design of this area and the rhythm of the
boulevard trees and store fronts sorely misses the beat. If the building locations are to
remain as proposed, staff recommends that a clearly defined, well- landscaped walkway be
created to reconnect the Highway 5 uses with each other and the rest of the development.
- - The proposed development attempts to incorporate many elements of what is termed
iieotraditiorfaT planning; new urbanism, - livable communities; - or sustainable development.
These elements are: 't
Providing a mix of lifecycle and affordable housing, shops, work opportunities, civic
facilities within walking distance of each other and accessible by transit.
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• Developing sufficient common, community spaces. '
• Using to the project's advantage the character, culture, history and amenities of the '
community.
• Linking the development to other parts of the community, not only for car, but also for '
pedestrians and bicycles.
• Integrating natural, topographical, and environmental features into the design of the '
project.
3. Sensitive development in transitional areas located between different land uses and along
significant corridors within the city will be encouraged.
Findin The proposed development provides a gateway to the downtown area from
southern Chanhassen. As such, special sensitivity will be required of the development
including incorporating the natural features of the site with urban scale development.
Transitions will be provided through the preservation of natural areas and open space on ,
the south of the parcel. Buffer yard plantings shall be provided between the development
and the single family residential uses to the east. '
4. Development which is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan.
Finding. The proposed development is consistent with parts of the comprehensive plan
as well as inconsistent with part of the comprehensive plan. A comprehensive plan
amendment adding commercial uses to the site and providing office development in
residentially guided areas will be required for this development to be approved.
5. Parks and open space. The creation of public open space may be required by the city. '
Such park and open space shall be consistent with the Comprehensive Park Plan and
overall trail plan.
Finding. The applicant is proposing the incorporation of an extensive trail system t
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within the development. In addition, the;: area south of he trail system on the south end o
the p el "should be maintainedim its'entirety in a natural state or as open space:
6. Provision of housing affordable to all income groups if appropriate with the MD.
Finding. The applicant has expressed an interest in providing housing "affordable to the
average two- income family employed by the vast majority of our industrial park
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occupants." Staff will work with the applicant to clarify and define the affordable
housing opportunities. As a beginning, staff suggests that we look at providing 50
percent of the ownership housing and 35 percent of the rental housing as affordable.
7_ Energy conservation through the use of more efficient building designs and sightings and
the clustering of buildings and land uses.
Finding. The clustering of development, the mixing of uses, and the use of shared
parking provide energy conservation.
8. Use of traffic management and design techniques to reduce the potential for traffic
conflicts. Improvements to area roads and intersections may be required as appropriate.
Finding. The applicant is proposing the construction of Lake Drive East through the
project. This facilitates traffic movement envisioned by the comprehensive plan.
Additional traffic control devices and roadway geometrics will be required
' Summary of Rezoning to PUD
Rezoning the property to PUD provides the applicant with flexibility, but allows the city to
request additional improvements and the site's unique features can be better protected. The
flexibility in standards allows the disturbed areas to be further removed from the unique features
of the site. In return for the flexibility, the city is receiving:
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• Preservation of desirable site characteristics (wetlands, water quality in lakes, trees,
topographical features)
• Sensitive development in transitional areas
• More efficient use of land
• Development of a high quality project, unique to the community and the region
• A planned, unified mixed use project incorporating elements of neotraditional planning
GENERAL SITE PLAN /ARCHITECTURE
_ The overall intent : of - the development is to provide an expansion of downtown Chanhassen and to
create a commercial- office- residential (mixed use) activity center which compliments the existing
downtown and provides additional comparison retailing opportunities and residential support to
both the existing and expanded downtown. The overall theme of the center is pedestrian friendly in
village scale and traditional character, using both on and off - street and underground parking and
traditional architecture of midwestern vernacular character.
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The village core (Sector I) will be characterized by small one and two story retail /office structures ,
with architectural detailing reminiscent of traditional, vernacular architecture. With the addition of
upper level apartments, structures may be increased to three stories and a loft with street level
office /retail. Buildings will have a mixture of pitched and flat roofs with a variety of gables, gabled '
windows, and chimneys. Structures will be placed close to the public way similar to a small
downtown area. Structures will often be linked by roofs, canopies and low walls. '
The Highway 5 (Sector II) component of the development proposes the use of smaller one story
building pads of 5, 000 - 15,000 square feet with the exception of the motel/hotel building that will '
be up to three stories with a larger building footprint.
The institutional (Sector III) component is located in the eastern part of the site portion of the site. '
The area is the relocation site for St. Hubert's Church and school. The building will consist of two
stories and a total building area of 100,000 square feet at build out.
The residential/office (Sector IV) component of the development consists of condominium type
high density on the western portion of the site and open space on the southern portion of the site.
The high density development would be limited to two building pads built in multiple stories, four '
plus a loft, with underground parking. A potential office site is located in the northern part of the
site. The office building would be limited to two stories. As an alternative, the office building
could be replaced with a third condominium. Building pads will be located in open or plateau areas '
of the parcels, maintaining existing vegetation and sloped areas. Underground parking shall also be
incorporated into the site design to lessen disruption of the site.
An open space component exists in the southern portion of the site below the existing city trail t
system. The applicant is proposing that these areas be utilized for active recreational uses, tennis
courts and a soccer field. Staff believes that a greater benefit would be achieved for the community '
if these areas were left in a more natural state, preserving the majority of the trees and the
topography of the area.
DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS '
a. Intent '
The purpo's'e' this zone is to create a mixed use PUD consisting of commercial, institutional,` _
office, and residential uses. The use of the PUD zone is to allow for more flexible design '
standards while creating a higher quality and more sensitive proposal. All utilities are-required to
be placed underground. Each lot proposed for development shall proceed through site plan '
review based on the development standards outlined below.
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' b. Permitted Uses
The permitted uses in this zone should be limited to uses as defined below or similar uses to
those as listed in the Standard Industrial Classification. If there is a question as to the whether or
not a use meets the definition, the Planning Director shall make that interpretation. No single
retail user shall exceed 20,000 square feet on a single level of a building. A maximum of thirty-
' three (33) percent of the square footage of the retail users within the development may be of a
"big box" category. The intent of this requirement is to provide a variety of users, including
small retail shops, service providers, coffee shops, cabarets, etc., for residents of the Villages as
well as the community as a whole, rather than typical suburban type large, individual users
dominating the development and detracting from the "village" character. Retail users should be
those that support and compliment the residential development located within the development,
providing goods and services which enhance residents of the village and the community.
' Office Professional and business office, non - retail activity except for showroom type
display area for products stored or manufactured on -site provided that no more than 20
percent of the floor space is used for such display and sales.
bank/credit union
finance, insurance and real estate
' health services - except nursing homes and hospitals
engineering, accounting, research management and related services
legal services
Personal Services Establishments primarily engaged in providing services involving the
care of a person or his or her personal goods or apparel.
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dry cleaning
beauty or barbershop
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shoe repair
photographic studio
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tax return preparation
laundromat
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health cu
optical goods
' computer services a
day care center
copying
mail stores
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Institutional Establishments that are public /semi - public in nature. I
church
library
education services
day care
art gallery
dance studio
cultural facility
Commercial/Retail Establishments engaged in commercial operations including retail sales
and services and hospitality industries.
Apparel and Accessory Stores
shoe stores
electronic and music store and musical instruments
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restaurant - no drive through
restaurant - fast food only if integrated into a building
no freestanding fast food and no drive through
drug store /pharmacy
book/stationary
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jewelry store
hobby /toy game
gift novelty and souvenir
sewing, needlework and piece good
florist
camera and photographic supply
art and art supplies, gallery
sporting goods
video rental
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food stores including bakery and confectionery
hardware store
computer store
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hotel/ motel
entertainment
liquor store
pets and pet supplies
home furnishings
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Residential Residential units shall be provided as upper level units above the
commercial /office uses within the village core and as stand alone units. A minimum of 50
percent of the residential units shall be rental units. Of the rental units, the city has adopted
a goal of 35 percent of the units meeting the Metropolitan Council's affordable criteria. For
the ownership housing, the city has adopted the goal of 50 percent of the units meeting the
Metropolitan Council's affordable criteria.
Prohibited Uses:
auto related including auto sales, auto repair, gas stations
c. Setbacks
In the PUD standards, there is the requirement for landscape buffering in addition to building and
parking setbacks.
The following setbacks shall apply:
Buildinc Parking
Great Plains Blvd.: Buffer yard & Setback
C, 0'
0'
Market Blvd.: Buffer yard & Setback
C, 50'
20'
Hwy. 5: Buffer yard & Setback
B, 50'
20'
Interior Side Lot Line: Buffer yard & setback
NA, 0'
0'
East Perimeter Side Lot Line (adjacent to
residential): Buffer yard & setback
D, 50'
50'
West Perimeter Side Lot Line (adjacent to
industrial): Buffer yard & setback
B, 50
20
Buffer yards are as specified in the City of Chanhassen Landscaping and Tree Removal
Ordinance, Article XXV.
No fences shall be permitted between the required landscape buffer-and arterial and collector -
. roads.
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d. Development Site Coverage and Building Height
1. The PUD standard for hard surface coverage is 70% for the overall development.
Individual lots may exceed this threshold, but in no case shall the average exceed 70
percent..
2. More than one (1) principal structure may be placed on one (1) platted lot.
3. The maximum building height shall be Sector I - three stories (with residential loft) /50 ft.
(retail and office buildings without residences above shall be limited to two stories /30
feet), Sector II - three stories /40 ft., Sector III - three stories /40 ft., exclusive of steeples
and bell towers, and Sector IV - four stories /50 feet
4. The maximum building footprint for any one building shall be limited to 20,000 square
feet without a street level break in the continuity of the building, e.g., pedestrian
passageways, except for the church and residential only buildings.
5. The following table shall govern the amount of building area for the different uses:
Office /Service
( sq. ft.
70,500 @
14,000
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32,000 @
116,500
Institutional
( sq. ft.
0
0
100,000
0
100,000
Dwelling
Units
154
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112 @
266
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185,000
74,000
100,000
32,000
391,000
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32,000 square foot office building is deleted in Sector IV and replaced with 56 additional
dwelling units.
1. The PUD requires that the development demonstrate a higher quality of architectural '
standards and site design. The intent is to create a pedestrian friendly, "traditional"
Commercial/
Retail (sq. ft.)
Sector I
114,500
Sector II
60,000
Sector III
0
Sector IV
0
TOTAL
174,500
Office /Service
( sq. ft.
70,500 @
14,000
0
32,000 @
116,500
Institutional
( sq. ft.
0
0
100,000
0
100,000
Dwelling
Units
154
0
112 @
266
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185,000
74,000
100,000
32,000
391,000
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32,000 square foot office building is deleted in Sector IV and replaced with 56 additional
dwelling units.
1. The PUD requires that the development demonstrate a higher quality of architectural '
standards and site design. The intent is to create a pedestrian friendly, "traditional"
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The buildings shall have varied and interesting detailing. The use of large unadorned,
concrete panels and concrete block, or a solid wall unrelieved by architectural detailing,
such as change in materials, change in color, fenestrations, or other significant visual
relief provided in a manner or at intervals in keeping with the size, mass, and scale of the
wall -and its views from public ways shall be prohibited. Acceptable materials will
incorporate textured surfaces, exposed aggregate and/or other patterning. All walls shall
be given added architectural interest through building design or appropriate landscaping.
Space for recycling shall be provided in the interior of all principal or accessory
structures.
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village character consistent with the European heritage of the upper midwest and the
atmosphere within this development, yet with the amenities and technological tools of
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modern times. The village elevations shown on the PUD drawings are to be used only as
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a general guideline and the reflection of the overall village image including the north -
midwestem architectural vocabulary, village like human scale and flavor, and variety in
design and facade treatment.
2.
All materials shall be of high quality and durable. Major exterior surfaces of all walls shall
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be face brick, stone, glass, stucco, architecturally treated concrete, cast in place panels,
decorative block, cedar siding, vinyl siding in residential with support materials, or
approved equivalent as determined by the city. Color shall be introduced through colored
block or panels and not painted block or brick. Bright, long, continuous bands are
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prohibited. Bright or brilliant colors and sharply contrasting colors may be used only for
accent purposes and shall not exceed 10 percent of a wall area.
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Block shall have a weathered face or be polished, fluted, or broken face. Exposed cement
( "cinder ") blocks shall be prohibited.
4.
Metal siding, gray concrete, curtain walls and similar materials will not be approved except
as support material to one of the above materials, or as trim or as HVAC screen, and may
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not exceed more than 25 percent of a wall area.
5.
All accessory structures shall be designed to be compatible with the primary structure.
6.
All roof mounted equipment shall be screened by walls of compatible appearing material.
Wood screen fences are prohibited. All exterior process machinery, tanks, etc., are to be
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fully screened by compatible materials. All mechanical equipment shall be screened with
material compatible to the building.
The buildings shall have varied and interesting detailing. The use of large unadorned,
concrete panels and concrete block, or a solid wall unrelieved by architectural detailing,
such as change in materials, change in color, fenestrations, or other significant visual
relief provided in a manner or at intervals in keeping with the size, mass, and scale of the
wall -and its views from public ways shall be prohibited. Acceptable materials will
incorporate textured surfaces, exposed aggregate and/or other patterning. All walls shall
be given added architectural interest through building design or appropriate landscaping.
Space for recycling shall be provided in the interior of all principal or accessory
structures.
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The buildings shall have varied and interesting detailing. The use of large unadorned,
concrete panels and concrete block, or a solid wall unrelieved by architectural detailing,
such as change in materials, change in color, fenestrations, or other significant visual
relief provided in a manner or at intervals in keeping with the size, mass, and scale of the
wall -and its views from public ways shall be prohibited. Acceptable materials will
incorporate textured surfaces, exposed aggregate and/or other patterning. All walls shall
be given added architectural interest through building design or appropriate landscaping.
Space for recycling shall be provided in the interior of all principal or accessory
structures.
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9. There shall not be underdeveloped backsides of buildings. All elevations shall receive '
nearly equal treatment and visual qualities.
10. The materials and colors used for each building shall be selected in context with the '
adjacent building and provide for a harmonious integration with them. Extreme
variations between buildings on the same street in terms of overall appearance, bulk and '
height, setbacks and colors shall be prohibited.
11. Slope roof elements shall be incorporated in all structures: Sector I - minimum 70 '
percent of roof area shall be sloped, Sector II - minimum of 70 percent of the roof area
shall be sloped, Sector III - minimum of 30 percent of the roof area shall be sloped, and
Sector IV - minimum of 70 percent of the roof area shall be sloped. An exception to this
requirement are roof areas designed for human use such as decks, garden areas, patios,
etc., which will not be counted towards flat roof area.
12. The following design elements should be incorporated into individual structures:
Building Accents
Towers, silos, arches, columns, bosses, tiling, cloisters, colonnades, buttresses, loggias,
marquees, minarets, portals, reveals, quoins, clerestories, pilasters.
Roof Types I
Barrow, dome, gable, hip, flat.
Roof Accents
Cupolas, cornices, belfries, turrets, pinnacles, look -outs, gargoyles, parapets, lanterns.
Accent elements such as towers, turrets, spires, etc., shall be excluded from the sector
building height limitation.
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' Window Accents
Plant boxes, shutters, balconies, decks, grates, canopies, awnings, recesses, embrasures,
' arches, lunettes.
13. Street level windows shall be provided for a minimum of 50 percent of the ground level
' wall area.
' f. Site Landscaping and Screening
1. All buffer landscaping, including boulevard landscaping, included in Phase I shall be
installed when the grading of the phase is completed. This may well result in landscaping
being required ahead of individual site plan approvals, but we believe the buffer yard and
plantings, in particular, need to be established immediately. In addition, to adhere to the
higher quality of development as spelled out in the PUD zone, all loading areas shall be
screened. Each lot for development shall submit a separate landscaping plan as a part of
the site plan review process.
' 2. All open spaces and non - parking lot surfaces, except for plaza area, shall be landscaped,
rockscaped, or covered with plantings and/or lawn material. Tree wells shall be included
in pedestrian areas and plazas.
3. Storage of material outdoors is prohibited.
4. Undulating or angular berms 3' to 5' in height, south of Highway 5 and along Market
Boulevard shall be sodded or seeded at the conclusion of grading and utility construction.
' The required buffer landscaping may be installed where it is deemed necessary to screen any
proposed development. All required boulevard landscaping shall be sodded.
I 5. Loading areas shall be screened from public right -of -ways. Wing walls may be required
where deemed appropriate.
' g. Signage
1. One project identification sign shall be permitted for the development at each end of Lake
' Drive and at the south end of Main Street. Project identification sign(s) may also be
located at the entrances to the development(s) in Sector IV. Project identificgion signs
shall not exceed 24 square feet in sign display area nor be greater than five feet in height.
One project identification sign, with a maximum height of 20 feet, which may be
increased in height subject to city approval based on the design and scale of the sign,
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designed as a gateway to the project shall be located at the north end of Main Street.
Individual lots are not permitted low profile ground business sign. Pylon signs are
prohibited. The sign treatment is an element of the architecture and thus should reflect
the quality of the development. The signs should be consistent in color, size, and material
and height throughout the development. A common theme will be introduced at the
development's entrance monument and will be used throughout.
2. All signs require a separate sign permit.
3. Wall business signs shall comply with the city's sign ordinance for the central business
district for determination of maximum sign area. Wall signs may be permitted on the
"street" front and primary parking lot front of each building.
4. Projecting signs are permitted along Main Street and Lake Drive and along pedestrian
passageways subject to the conditions below.
Signage Plan and Restrictions
Wall Signs
1. The location of letters and logos shall be restricted to the approved building sign bands,
the tops of which shall not extend greater than 20 feet above the ground. In Sector II,
sign height may be increase based on the criteria that the signage is compatible with and
complementary to the building architecture and design. The letters and logos shall be
restricted to a maximum of 30 inches in height. All individual letters and logos comprising
each sign shall be constructed of wood, metal, or translucent facing.
2. If illuminated, individual dimensional letters and logos comprising each sign may be any
of the following:
a. Exposed neon/fiber optic,
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c. Channel Letters with acrylic facing,
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3. Tenant signage shall consist of store identification only. Copy is restricted to The tenant's
proper name and major product or service offered. Corporate logos, emblems and similar '
identifying devices are permitted provided they are confined within the signage band and
do not occupy more than 15% of the sign area unless the logo is the sign.
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4. Within Sector II, architecturally, building- integrated panel tenant/logo sign may be
permitted based on criteria that the signage is compatible with and complementary to the
' building design and architecture.
5. Back lit awnings are prohibited.
' Proj ectin Sins
1. The letters and logos shall be restricted to the approved building sign area.
2. All wooden signs shall be sandblasted and letters shall be an integral part of the
building's architecture.
3. Signage shall consist of store identification only. Copy is restricted to the tenant's proper
name and major product or service offered and such minimal messages such as date of
establishment of business. Corporate logos, emblems and similar identifying devices are
' permitted provided they are confined within the signage band or within the projecting
sign and do not occupy more than fifteen (15) percent of the sign display area.
4. Projecting signs shall be stationary, may not be self - illuminated but may be lighted by
surface mounted fixtures located on the sign or the adjacent facade.
' 5. Projecting signs shall be limited to one per tenant on street frontage and pedestrian
passageway and my not exceed six square feet. Letters shall have a maximum height of
12 inches.
6. Projecting signs shall be a minimum of eight feet above the sidewalk and shall not project
more than six feet from the building facade.
' 7. Plastic, plexi- glass, clear plex, or similar material projecting signs are prohibited unless
used in conjunction with other decorative materials.
' 8. Projecting signs may be painted, prefinished, or utilize exposed metal. Any exposed
metal `shall anodized aluminum, stainless steel, titanium, bronze, or other similar "non -
' corrosive or ono- oxidizing materials.
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Window Signs
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1. Window signs shall not cover more than 25 percent of the window area in which they are
located.
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2. Window signs shall not use bright, garish, or neon paint, tape, chalk, or paper.
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Menu Signs
1. Shall be located at eye level adjacent to tenant entries and shall not exceed 4 feet in
height.
2. Shall be used only to convey daily specials, menus and offerings and shall be wood
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framed chalkboard and /or electronic board with temporary handwritten lettering. No
paper construction or messages will be permitted.
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3. Menu signs shall be limited to one per tenant and may not exceed 8 square feet.
Festive Flags/Banners
1. Flags and banners shall be permitted on approved standards attached to the building I
facade and on standards attached to pedestrian area lighting.
2. Plastic flags and banners are prohibited. I
3. Flags and banners shall be constructed of fabric.
4. Banners shall not contain advertising for individual users, businesses, services, or '
products.
5. Flags and banners shall project from buildings a maximum of two feet. '
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Building Directo
1. In multi- tenant buildings, one building directory sign may be permitted. The directory
sign shall not exceed eight square feet.
Pole Directory Sian
1. Pole directory signs consisting of single poles with individual nameplate type directional
arrows may be located within the development.
2. Pole directory sign shall not exceed 15 feet in height.
3. Directory signs shall be a minimum of eight feet above the sidewalk.
' 4. A maximum of eight directory signs may be provided per pole.
5. The maximum size of an individual sign shall be 18 inches long by four inches wide.
6. Poles shall be a minimum of 10 feet behind the curb.
' h. Lighting
1. Lighting for the interior of the business center should be consistent throughout the
development. The plans do not provide for street lighting. As with previous
developments, the City has required the developer to install street lights throughout the
street system.
2. A shoe box fixture (high pressure sodium vapor lamps) with decorative natural colored
pole shall be used throughout the development parking lot area for lighting. Decorative,
pedestrian scale lighting shall be used in plaza and sidewalk areas and may be used in
parking lot areas.
' 3 Lighting equipment similar to what is mounted in the public street right -of -ways shall be
used in the private areas: -
' 4. All light fixtures shall be shielded. Light level for site lighting shall be no more than 1/2
candle at the project perimeter property line. This does not apply to street lighting.
' 5. Light poles shall be limited to a height of 20 feet.
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i. Parking
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1. Parking shall be provided based on the shared use of surface parking areas whenever
possible. Cross access easements and the joint use of parking facilities shall be protected
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by a recorded instrument acceptable to the city.
2. A minimum of 75 percent of a building's parking shall be located to the "rear" of the
structure and in underground garages.
3. The development shall be treated as a integrated shopping center and provide a minimum
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of one space per 200 square feet of commercial /retail area. The office /personal service
component shall be treated as an integrated office building and provide 4.5 space per
1,000 square feet for the first 49,999 square feet, four per thousand square feet for the
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second 50,000 square feet, and 3.5 per thousand square feet thereafter. Residential uses
shall provide 1.5 spaces per unit as underground parking with visitor spaces provided as
part of the commercial /office uses. Within sector IV, visitor parking shall be provided at
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a rate of 0.5 stalls per unit. Hotel /motels shall comply with city ordinance.
Churches /schools shall comply with city ordinance, however, a minimum of 50 percent of
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the parking shall be shared.
SUBDIVISION REVIEW
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BLOCK LOT AREA (sq. ft.) USE
1 1 152,471 motel /commercial
1 2 92,397 commercial /office
1 3 232,646 commercial /office /residential
1 4 92,047 commercial /residential
1 5 75,391 commercial
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1 6 221,137 commercial /office /residential
1 7 63,902 commercial /residential
1 8 39,578 commercial /office
1 9 112,820 office
1 10 349,699 institutional
1 11 100,179 soccer field
235;470 residential
Outlot , A 302,608. Lake Dr., Main St., pond
Outlot B 328,760 preservation
Outlot C 156,246 open space -
Lake Drive East 31,193 ROW
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Market Hwy. 101 365,026 ROW
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' LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION
' Until 20+ years ago, the Ward property appears to have been pastured which kept most
vegetation at bay save for a few mature trees on the south end of the property. Since that time,
natural vegetation has reclaimed the site and created a 56% canopy coverage. Indigenous species
' on site include ash, cottonwood, elm, boxelder, willow, oak, hackberry, and linden. The three
more valuable landscape species, oak, hackberry, and linden, are more numerous on the southern
' half of the property and the larger trees of these species are concentrated on the southern end and
west of existing highway 101. The majority of the canopy coverage, 77 %, will be removed as
part of the grading for the site. The remaining 6.1 acres, 23% of the total canopy is located
' mainly along Rice Marsh Lake and Lake Susan as well as within existing wetlands. The
remaining coverage is below ordinance requirements by 4.3 acres. This area, when multiplied by
1.2, will be required to be replaced as 5.2 acres or 208 trees.
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The proposed landscaping plan is a framework for future development. Most trees will be
installed as part of the individual site plans using the conceptual landscape plan as a guide. Exact
ordinance requirements for parking lot and landscaping standards will be reviewed at the time of
site plan review for the individual uses. Boulevard plantings for the overall will be required at a
rate of one every 30 feet. Considering the road system in the development, most of the required
208 trees will be used in boulevard plantings. It will be necessary for individual sites to
satisfactorily meet the quality and intentions of the proposed landscaping plan. Important
considerations in all future landscaping at individual sites is the use of shade trees to create an
inviting and comfortable environment for pedestrians. Parking lots, too, should encompass
energy conservation principles of shade and wind protection using shade and evergreen trees in
appropriate locations. In the proposed plan, the boulevards and adjoining sidewalks are tree -
lined and parking lots appear to provide most of the requisite landscaping. Well- planned
landscaping can pull people out of their cars and onto sidewalks and into parks. Areas need to be
instantly perceived as safe, attractive, and welcoming in order to be used by individuals
As stated earlier, much of the existing vegetation that is preserved is located near the lakes and in
wetlands. However, some of the most valuable wooded and natural areas occur in an area
scheduled to be developed as a soccer field. This southernmost section of the development is
currently a forested hill that supports not only red and white oaks, hackberry, and lindens but also
serves as a filtering systems for water entering Rice Marsh Lake and Lake Susan. Together with
the piece of land to the west of 101, it is also the only natural corridor between the two..lakes
benefiting people by providing beautiful scenery along the bike trail and aiding animals with
habitat and food. In the future, it will be a scenic escape from Highway 101 and a physical and
visual transition between Villages on the Pond and the solidly residential areas to the south. In
every case, the remaining natural areas in otherwise developed areas become integral to the
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character of the community and serve to greatly enhance the neighborhood. According to Peter '
Calthorpe, author of The Next American Metropolis, "Sensitive site planning should be
encouraged so that natural habitats are protected and natural features become in integral part of '
the community. These resources should be treated as key amenities, rather that as edges to
developments." Removing a unique topographic feature such as the knoll with its oaks, lindens,
and hackberrys for a soccer field would be treating it as the edge of the development, another
blank space that must be filled in.
PARKS AND RECREATION I
The Park & Recreation Commission met on September 26, 1995 to review the conceptual plan.
They recommended that no development take place south of the trail system on the south end of I
the parcel.
The Park & Recreation Commission met on July 23, 1996 to review the Villages on the Pond
Planned Unit Development. The Commission voted 4 for and 1 against to recommend to the
City Council that the application be approved as presented with certain conditions regarding
parks and recreation: '
1. The south Rice Marsh Lake Trail connection be identified on the plan.
2. If the trail along TH 101 south of Rosemount is disturbed during construction, an '
agreement for replacement be coordinated with the applicant.
3. There be a joint agreement for future use of the soccer field between the community '
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4. Full ark and trail fees be collected per city ordinance.
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MISCELLANEOUS
The plans show a number of buildings with exterior walls placed less than 20' from the property '
line. The building code, in most cases, requires that openings in walls less than 20' from the
property or less than 20' from the center of a public way-be protected. The building code defines a
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public way as any —
street, alley or siriu7ar parcel of land essentially unobstructed from the ground to ,
the sky which is deeded; dedicated or otherwise permanently appropriated to the public for public
use and having a clear width of not less than 10 feet." Private streets and parking lots shown on the
proposed development, with the exception of Outlot A, don't comply with this definition.
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If the developer wishes to avoid requirements for protecting openings or requirements for fire -
resistive construction of exterior walls, buildings should be set back from property lines or the
center of public streets as prescribed in the building codes.
I would like to request that you relay to the developers and designers the building official's desire to
meet with them as early as possible to discuss commercial building permit requirements.
WETLANDS
(Update 7/22/96)
t The City has been working with the developer to resolve the issue of wetlands and replacement.
City Staff entered the agreement of using City wetland bank credits on the premise that it was in
order to preserve other natural features of the site (i.e. trees, open spaces, etc.). The latest plans
however, remove these natural areas for proposed soccer fields and tennis courts. These plans
are inconsistent with a development in need of wetland mitigation credits. The project was
originally presented as preserving the natural features of the landscape. City staff has
recommended that the site plan be adjusted to avoid wetland impacts through less parking and
relocating proposed building sites.
Staff has always indicated to the developer that this wetland was an amenity that should be saved
and enhanced. Staff gave a favorable interpretation of allowing the wetland to be excavated to
provide a deeper area for water quality and quantity. If the wetland is to be further altered, then
additional on -site mitigation would be required. There are no additional on -site areas for
mitigation, as the project is currently being proposed. It has been the policy of the city to require
on -site mitigation for wetland alterations. The city did offer some wetland banking off site
because of the uniqueness of the project. To date, staff is of the opinion that the current amount
of wetland alteration is excessive and could be avoided. The city's priority in wetland protection
are first - avoidance, second - minimization, third - rehabilitation, fourth - reduction of impact
over time, and fifth - replacement (Section 20 -407 City Code).
At the Planning Commission meeting of 7/17/96, it was also proposed that wetland 2000 be
converted from a natural wetland to a reflecting pool. Discussion from the commission centered
on the vision of the reflecting pond. Commissioners were concerned that keeping the area as a
wetland would result in unsightly algae infested pond. From this concern it was suggested
that the area be turned into a reflecting pool by lining the bottom or by chemical treatrnent. If
such a proposal is recommended, then it should be noted that this activity would be a�vetland
impact that would require additional mitigation. There are several ways to control algae to keep
this area open water without losing wetland status. One of these solutions is to keep the northern
edge of the wetland shallow to allow native wetland vegetation to grow. This would create a
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buffer of cattails, bulrush and other tall vegetation between the development and Highway 5. '
The southern portion of the wetland could be excavated deeper to allow open water conditions.
Staff is recommending that the wetland along Highway 5 be altered to provide additional water ,
quality but also provide a natural feature consistent with the Highway 5 Study objective of
preservation of the natural feature. Staff will direct the applicant to prepare a detailed plan for
the design of the alteration. It appears that the Planning Commission is struggling with how the
wetland will look. The wetland, if properly design, can be a positive attribute. However, having
an artificial reflective pond without preservation of the natural features of the wetland is out of ,
character with the City of Chanhassen's goal and policies.
There are eight wetland areas identified on this site covering an area of approximately 18 acres. '
These wetlands have been delineated by the applicant to the satisfaction of the City. The largest
wetlands are Lake Susan and Rice Marsh Lake, both located on the southern edge of this site.
These lakes are identified as DNR protected waters and are connected by Riley Creek which is ,
also a DNR protected water. The areas adjoining these lakes are mostly undisturbed trees and
wetland vegetation. Figure 1 identifies Rice Marsh Lake as Wetland 3000 and is located in the
southeast corner of the site plan. Lake Susan is identified as Wetland 4000 directly west of Rice '
Marsh Lake. Neither of these wetland areas are to be impacted in the proposed plan.
Additionally, upland buffer areas will be preserved adjacent to the wetlands. The remaining
wetlands on site have been identified as ag /urban wetlands that are seasonally or temporarily '
inundated with woodland and /or herbaceous vegetation.
Wetlands 1000 and 2000 are located at the north end of the site and receive overflow drainage '
from Trunk Highway 5. There are catch basins located in these areas to control the water levels
which are connected to the trunk storm sewer system along Trunk Highway 5. Both of these
wetlands currently have standing water and numerous dead trees located in their borders. We
believe that historically this area had been effectively drained by draintiles. The proposed plan
fills portions of Wetland 2000 and removes the dead trees and vegetation from this wetland and
creates a open water permanently flooded -type wetland. The total proposed impact of Wetland '
2000 is 1.13 acres. This wetland will continue to receive runoff from Trunk Highway 5 and also
receives stormwater from the developed site. Runoff from the site will first be pre- treated in '
water quality ponds. There are no impacts proposed to Wetland 1000.
Wetland 5000 is a small isolatedbasm on -the north edge of the farmstead next to the driveway
leading to Rosemount. This Type 1 ag /urban basin is 0.06 acres and appears to have been altered '
as the result of past construction.
Wetlands 6000 and 7000 are also degraded ag /urban wetlands located in the center of the '
proposed development. These wetlands would be filled under the proposed plan. The largest of
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' these wetlands, Wetland 7000, is a Type 1 basin that is connected to Wetland 6000 by a narrow
ditch. Wetland 6000 has a 12 -inch storm water pipe collecting runoff from Trunk Highway 101.
Neither of these wetlands appear on either the City's Storm Water Management Plan's wetland
' inventory or the National Wetland Inventory Map. It is possible that they were created as runoff
ditches for Trunk Highway 101. City staff recommends an investigation to their origin.
' Wetland 8000 is an ag /urban Type 1 wetland located on the northwest portion of the proposed
development. Again, this wetland has similar characteristics as the other wetlands on site;
' degraded, previously drained due to agricultural activities on site. There are no impacts proposed
to Wetland 8000.
Riley Creek is a waterway which joins Lake Susan to Rice Marsh Lake. Currently, the existing
Trunk Highway 101 crosses this waterway at a point where the stream runs west to east. The
proposed re- alignment of this roadway, however, occurs at a point where the creek meanders
from south to north. This proposed alignment will require significant mitigation or a sizable
bridge to avoid impacts to this protected waterway. Because mitigation by realignment of the
creek is a more practical solution than bridge construction, we recommend that a plan for
' development along this proposed roadway includes an area to accommodate creek realignment.
Mitigation Summary
The applicant has presented a site plan that proposes to fill 2.21 acres of wetlands in three
separate basins. Of the wetlands proposed to be impacted, Wetlands 2000 and 6000 currently act
as stormwater ponds, receiving runoff from Trunk Highways 5 and 101. The other wetland to be
filled is Wetland 7000, which is a degraded ag /urban wetlands located in the center of the
proposed development. These wetland impacts will fall under the jurisdiction of the Wetland
Conservation Act (WCA). Under WCA rules, the applicant must replace impacts to wetlands at
a 2:1 ratio. Recent revisions to the WCA allow greater flexibility for wetland replacement. New
wetlands must be created to replace the impacted area at 1:1 ratio, but the remaining replacement
' can be accomplished by a using public value credits, upland buffers, and stormwater treatment
ponds. The applicant has presented a wetland replacement proposal that would create 1.21 acres
of new wetlands on site, use 1.0 acre of new wetland credits from the City's wetland bank, create
' an upland buffer of 1.08 acres, and fulfill the remaining replacement with 1.13 acres of treatment
_ pond credits.
' City staff has met with the applicant to resolve the wetland mitigation issues associated with this
project. We believe that this project will benefit Chanhassen by providing a unique mixed use
' development. It is also City staffs' opinion that the wetlands proposed to be impacted are low
quality wetlands that have been degraded as the result of previous use. It is because of these
reasons that City wetland credits are being offered to accommodate wetland mitigation. In
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offering these credits we would also expect the applicant to preserve other natural features of the
site and attempt to keep wetland impacts to a minimum. City staff will continue to work with the
applicant provided unnecessary impacts to Wetland 2000 are avoided and a better effort is made
to preserve natural areas to the south of the project.
Buffer Strip
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Of the wetlands remaining on site, Wetlands 1000, 2,000, and 6000 are considered utilized
wetlands with no buffer requirements. The buffer strip width for Wetland 5000 is 10 to 30 feet
with a minimum average width of 20 feet.
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SURFACE WATER MANAGEMENT PLANT (SWMP)
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Overview
The City has adopted a Surface Water Management Plan (SWMP) that serves as a tool to protect,
preserve and enhance water resources. The plan identifies, from a regional perspective, the
stormwater quantity and quality improvements necessary to allow future development to take place
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and minimize its impact to downstream water bodies. In general, the water quantity portion of the
plan uses a 100 -year design storm interval for ponding and a 10 -year design storm interval for
storm sewer piping. The water quality portion of the plan uses William Walker, Jr.'s Pondnet
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model for predicting phosphorus concentrations in shallow water bodies. An ultimate conditions
model has been developed at each drainage area based on the projected future land use, and
therefore, different sets of improvements under full development were analyzed to determine the
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optimum phosphorus reduction in priority water bodies. The development will be required to be
constructed in accordance with the City's SWMP requirements.
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Water Quality Fees
The SWMP has established a water quality connection charge for each new subdivision based on
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land use. Dedication shall be equal to the cost of land and pond volume needed for treatment of the
phosphorus load leaving the site. The requirement for cash in lieu of land and pond construction '
shall be based upon a schedule in accordance with the prescribed land use zoning. Values are
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using-market values of land in the City -of Chanhassen -plus a value of $2.50 per cubic - - - ---
yardfor excavation of the pond: Because ofthe High percentage of impervious surface associated
with this development, the water quality fees for this proposed development would be based on '
commercial land use rate of $5,909 /acre. Based on the proposed developed area of 41.&acres, the
water quality fees associated with this project would be $267,323.00. The applicant is providing 2 '
acres of NURP basins to treat runoff from this site. The construction of these ponds will reduce the
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water quality fee significantly. Final SWMP fees will be determined upon review of the final
ponding and storm sewer calculations.
' Water Quantity Fees
The SWMP has established a connection charge for the different land uses based on an average
' city -wide rate for the installation of water quantity systems. This cost includes land acquisition,
proposed SWMP culverts, open channels, and storm water ponding areas for runoff storage. High
' Density developments have a connection charge of $4,360 per developable acre. Parks and Open
Spaces have a connection fee of $1,190 per acre. The calculated water quantity fees are based on
33.24 acres of high density development and 12 acres of parks /open spaces for a connection fee of
$159,206.00. Credits may be applied to the applicant's SWMP fees for oversizing in accordance
with the SWMP.
These fees will be due payable to the City at time of final plat recording. The applicant will be
charged SWMP fees for lots that are presented for final platting. Future phases of the
development will be assessed charges when they are submitted for final platting.
Erosion Control
' Erosion control is high priority during the construction period. Staff requires an erosion control
plan that meet the City's best management practices. Maintenance and upkeep of the erosion
control system will be monitored and strictly enforced.
' WETLAND ALTERATION PERMIT
t Wetland Alteration Permit (Section 20 -407
When approving a wetland alteration permit, the following principals shall be adhered to:
1. Avoiding the direct or indirect impact of the activity that may destroy or diminish the
' wetland.
Finding: The applicant has demonstrated that they have attempted to avoid or minimize
impacts-to wetlands through redesign of elements the development. "
2. Minimizing the impact by limiting the degree or magnitude of the wetland activity and its
implementation.
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Finding: The applicant has demonstrated that they have attempted to avoid or minimize
impacts to wetlands through revisions made to the plan to move structures and roadways
away from wetlands.
3. Rectifying the impact b repairing, rehabilitating, or restoring the affected wetland '
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activity and its implementation.
Finding: The proposed wetland mitigation is to enhance and restore the natural
appearance and the quality of the wetlands on site or within the watershed. Water quality
ponding will be provided to filter stormwater prior to entering the wetland.
4. Reducing or eliminating the impact over time by preservation and maintenance operations I
during the life of the activity.
Finding: The proposed alterations will benefit the proposed development in the area by
creating an enhanced and restored natural environment. Through the enhancement and
long term protection of the remaining wetlands, the city is implementing its stormwater
plan as well as improving the natural environment. Water quality ponding will be
provided to filter stormwater prior to entering the wetland.
5. Replaces unavoidable impacts to the wetlands by restoring or creating substitute wetland '
areas having equal or greater public value as set forth in Minnesota Rules 8420.0530 to
8420.0630.
Finding: The development's improvements will enhance the drainage facilities within '
the area and will be served by the appropriate public facilities. This wetland has been
altered in the past during agricultural practices. The proposed wetland mitigation is to
enhance and restore the natural appearance and the quality of the wetlands in the area.
Water quality ponding will be provided to filter storm water.
GRADING '
The entire site with the exception of the development west of Trunk Highway 101 is proposed to '
be mass graded with Phase Ito prepare the -site for development, Site grading west of Trunk--:- -- - - -- - --
Highway 101 for -lhe rhbst pate will of be able fo= occur:iuitil Trunk Highway 101 is upgraded
and shifted to the east. The existing Trunk Highway 101 right -of -way is intended to be vacated '
in the future when Trunk Highway 101 is upgraded, however, due to governmental jurisdictions
(MnDOT), the actual turnback of the right -of -way may not occur until later this fall. This also
holds true for Great Plains Boulevard. The proposed site grading appears warranted given the
type of development proposed. However, there are a few areas on the site that need revisions.
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One area is along the east side of the development (Lot 10, Block 1 adjacent to Grandview
Road). A series of retaining walls are proposed to contain the slope. In this area staff required a
dedication of 17 feet of right -of -way for the future of upgrade of Grandview Road. This 17 -foot
wide area needs to be graded compatible with the future upgrade of Grandview Road. This
results in shifting the slopes, retaining walls, and parking lot westerly approximately 25 -30 feet.
' The plans also propose on grading a heavily vegetated knoll at the very south end of the project
(Lot 11, Block 1) for a soccer field. Staff believes that this is an inappropriate use for the
property given the environmental status and topographic characteristics. In addition, there is no
' means of accessing the soccer field from a traffic standpoint. The nearest parking facility is
approximately 450 feet away. Staff believes that this area should remain as an open space.
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The plans also propose to construct two tennis courts west of Trunk Highway 101 on the very
southwesterly corner of the site adjacent Lake Susan (Outlot Q. This area should be reserved for
stormwater quality ponding to facilitate stormwater runoff from the development and future
ponding needs from the south. The proposed building pad just north of the tennis courts on Lot
2, Block 2 proposes grading into the wooded hillside. Staff believes that this grading can be
avoided by applying architectural design elements to the building such as a walkout -type
structure or employing the use of retaining walls. The building immediately west of this building
also has the same concerns. This building site is also adjacent to the bluff zone where bluff
setbacks apply. Staff does realize that the applicant will be required to submit individual detailed
site plans for these lots at which time these issues may be further addressed and modified
accordingly.
The plans propose grading the future Trunk Highway 101 corridor which lies east of the existing
Trunk Highway 101. Staff questions the grading impact to existing Trunk Highway 101 or is the
intent to build this segment of Trunk Highway 101 at this time. Staff believes the upgrading of
Trunk Highway 101 will be necessary with the build out of the east side of Trunk Highway 101
(Block 1). The plans indicate that Trunk Highway 101 is to be improved by others assuming that
this is the City, County, and/or State. The timeline for this construction may be five years down
the road. Staff believes that a minimum of additional grading will be required along Trunk
Highway 101 for auxiliary turn lanes, traffic signals, and/or storm sewer facilities to
accommodate this development. This will be further discussed under "streets" in this report.
At the south end of the parking lot-on Lot 10, Block 1 (St. Hubert's Church/School site), a 12-
foot highway retaining wall is proposed in an effort to save trees and grading south of.the site.
All retaining walls in excess of four feet in height will need to be engineered and buil
permits obtained through the City's Building Department. Construction of fencing on this high
of a retaining wall is warranted and should be required.
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The grading for NURP Basin No. 4 (Outlot C) along future Trunk Highway 101 will require
rerouting a portion of Riley Creek and upgrading of Trunk Highway 101. This creek is the outlet
for Lake Susan and drains into Lake Riley. This creek is protected waters and is under the
jurisdiction of the Minnesota DNR. The appropriate permits will be necessary for any alteration
in this area.
The City has an existing overland trail crossing Trunk Highway 101 just south of Great Plains
Boulevard. With the upgrade of Trunk Highway 101 and development of the westerly portion of
the site (Block 2), there may be an opportunity to construct a trail underneath Trunk Highway
101 to improve pedestrian traffic in the area. The grading plans should be revised accordingly to
be compatible with this future improvement. A 20 -foot wide trail easement should be conveyed
to the City over the future trail alignment in conjunction with final platting.
The plans also propose a series of stormwater treatment ponds which should be designed and
constructed with either 3:1 side slopes with a 10:1 bench at the normal water level for the first '
one foot of water depth or 4:1 side slopes overall. No berming shall be permitted in any public
street or highway right -of -way.
The City recently installed a 16 -inch watermain along the east side of Trunk Highway 101. The
applicant should verify with the project engineer that site grading will maintain a minimum of 7
feet of cover over the main.
If draintiles are encountered during construction operations, the City Engineer should be notified
to determine whether or not the draintile needs to be relocated, abandoned, or connected to the
storm sewer system.
DRAINAGE
A series of stormwater pipes are proposed to convey stormwater runoff generated from the site to
six stormwater quality ponds (NURP basins) for pretreatment prior to discharging into wetlands. '
Staff believes there may be an opportunity to combine NURP Pond No. 3 with NURP Pond No.
4 to reduce the number of ponds and provide more green space. This should be further evaluated
by the applicant and staff in preparing a final grading and drainage plan. ,
The plans propose on iitiiizing anlexisting_storm `sewer in Trunk Highway i 41 "at Lake "Drove
which conveys drainage temporarily to Wetland 6000. The intent is to reverse the floes of pipe
and convert it to an outlet pipe for Wetland 6000. Currently, this storm sewer system is
deadended just south of Lake Drive and will need to be extended along Trunk Highway 101 in
order to function. '
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Staff is also researching the wetland just south of Lake Drive and east of Trunk Highway 101.
This wetland is not identified on the City's Surface Water Management Plan (SWMP) or the
National Wetland Inventory Map. This area may have been created as a result of the previous
' upgrade of Trunk Highway 101. Currently, there is an existing stormwater pipe that discharges
runoff from Trunk Highway 101 into the wetland which may have created the wetland
characteristics. This will be further evaluated by staff prior to final plat approval.
Detailed storm drainage and ponding calculations along with drainage maps for pre- and post -
development conditions will be required for review and approval by the City prior to final plat
consideration to ensure adequate storm drainage facilities are being provided. Storm drainage
calculations should use a 10 -year storm event, 24 -hour duration. Ponding calculations should
model for a 2 -year, 10 -year, and 100 -year storm event, 24 -hour duration. Catch basin placement
and ponding size will be further reviewed based on these calculations. Review of the drainage
and ponding calculations may result in modifications to the drainage plan.
The grading and drainage plans shall also include the high water levels of each NURP pond and
wetland. City codes require the lowest floor elevation of buildings adjacent to these areas be a
minimum of two feet above the high water level. Consideration should also be given for future
stormwater to the site with the upgrade of Trunk Highway 101 and Grandview Road. The
northerly portion of Grandview Road will most like drain into this development given the
topographic features. The applicant will be entitled to credits against their SWMP fees for the
oversizing of the ponds and storm sewer system to accommodate future off -site runoff.
The storm sewer system in this type of development is usually installed, owned, and maintained
by the property owner and /or management group /homeowners association. However, given the
size of the development and the impact to environmental features downstream, staff believes it
would be prudent for the City to take over maintenance and ownership of the stormwater ponding
facilities and wetlands upon completion of the buildings on the site to ensure proper
maintenance. The appropriate drainage and utility easements will need to be dedicated on the
final plat over the ponds and wetlands and some of the trunk storm sewer system. Access to
these ponding areas for maintenance purposes should also be considered. A minimum 20 -foot
wide drainage easement should be dedicated for access purposes. A drainage and utility
easement should encompass the ponds and wetlands up to the 100 -year flood level. The
remaining stone sewer facilities which lie outside public right -of -way or drainage and utility
easement shall be privately owned and maintained by the applicant or their assignor.
As proposed, NURP Basin No. 4 will not be able to be constructed until Trunk Highway 101 is
upgraded and relocated to the east. The pond could be constructed with Phase I if the tennis
courts are deleted. This NURP pond should also be sized to accommodate existing future runoff
from the south along Trunk Highway 101. Again, credits will be applied to the applicant's
Municipal utility service is available to the site from both Trunk Highway 101 and Great Plains
Boulevard. A quick overview of the utility layout, specifically sanitary sewer and water lines,
appears acceptable with a couple of adjustments. The proposed 8 -inch water line through Lot 10,
Block 1 along the northerly side of St. Hubert's Church should be extended along the secondary ,
access road to the east property line for future extension along Grandview Road and looping of
the water system. Since Grandview Road has a significant elevation difference from north to
south, it is not feasible to serve the entire street from the south. It will be necessary to extend
sanitary sewer service from Lake Drive. Sanitary sewer and water proposed in Lake Drive East
adjacent to Lot 8, Block 1 shall also be extended to the northerly access to Grandview Road for '
future extension. Based on construction as -built drawings, sanitary sewer and water lines were
extended in conjunction with Hidden Valley subdivision directly east of Grandview Road at the
end -of Dakota Lane to service the soiiflZerri= portion of Grandview Road
Typically, sanitary sewer and water lines in this type of development are owned and maintained
by the applicant or property management group. However, given the size of the development and
the impacts to the City's infrastructure and future service to Grandview Road residents, staff
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SWMP for oversizing ponding areas. Credits will be calculated upon review of the final
construction documents.
The final grading plan should also include block numbers, lot lines, and proposed storm sewers
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with structure numbers.
EROSION CONTROL
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The erosion control plan proposes silt fence around the perimeter of the site. Type III erosion
control fence should be used adjacent to wetland areas and at the toe of steep slope areas such as
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at the south end of the grading limits. Consideration should also be given for temporary
sediment basins during grading operations. Construction of the NURP basins should commence
with the initial grading process to minimize impact to the wetlands. In some areas on the plan,
the silt fence should be relocated to the grading limits to avoid unnecessary tree removal. Staff
will be working with the applicant to relocate silt fence accordingly.
Site restoration (topsoil, seed and disc mulched) should be a priority immediately upon
completion of the site grading operation. Consideration should also be given to restore the steep
slope area even before the remaining site grading has been completed to minimize erosion.
Wood fiber blankets shall be utilized on all slopes in excess of 3:1.
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UTILITIES
Municipal utility service is available to the site from both Trunk Highway 101 and Great Plains
Boulevard. A quick overview of the utility layout, specifically sanitary sewer and water lines,
appears acceptable with a couple of adjustments. The proposed 8 -inch water line through Lot 10,
Block 1 along the northerly side of St. Hubert's Church should be extended along the secondary ,
access road to the east property line for future extension along Grandview Road and looping of
the water system. Since Grandview Road has a significant elevation difference from north to
south, it is not feasible to serve the entire street from the south. It will be necessary to extend
sanitary sewer service from Lake Drive. Sanitary sewer and water proposed in Lake Drive East
adjacent to Lot 8, Block 1 shall also be extended to the northerly access to Grandview Road for '
future extension. Based on construction as -built drawings, sanitary sewer and water lines were
extended in conjunction with Hidden Valley subdivision directly east of Grandview Road at the
end -of Dakota Lane to service the soiiflZerri= portion of Grandview Road
Typically, sanitary sewer and water lines in this type of development are owned and maintained
by the applicant or property management group. However, given the size of the development and
the impacts to the City's infrastructure and future service to Grandview Road residents, staff
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believes that all the sanitary sewer and water lines with the exception of the individual building
services should be owned and maintained by the City upon completion.
The applicant will be required to enter into a development contract with the City and provide
financial security in the form of a letter of credit to guarantee compliance with the terms
stipulated in the development contract. Detailed construction plans and specifications will be
required in conjunction with final platting. The construction plans and specifications shall be
prepared in accordance with the City's latest edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates.
The construction plans and specifications will be subject to staff review and formal approval by
the City Council in conjunction with final plat approval. Fire hydrant placement and revisions to
the utility plan layout will occur during review of the construction plans and specifications.
During construction of the utilities, the applicant's engineer shall provide on -site inspection
services to certify upon completion that the utilities have been constructed in accordance with the
approved plans. As -built construction plans will also be required before acceptance of the
utilities by the City.
The site contains an existing home on Lot 1, Block 2 west of Trunk Highway 101. This structure
will eventually be razed in conjunction with the development. The existing residential well will
need to be abandoned per State health codes and sanitary service will also need to be
disconnected at the main.
Drainage and utility easements will need to be dedicated on the final plat over the sanitary sewer
and watermains. The easement width will depend on the depth of the sanitary sewer. At a
minimum, a 20 -foot drainage and utility easement should be dedicated over each line.
STREETS
Subdivision of this parcel will require the vacation of Great Plains Boulevard (Old Trunk
Highway 10 1) and portions of Trunk Highway 101 (Market Boulevard). At this time, the City
does not have the authority to vacate the right -of -ways since MnDOT has not formally turned
back the road jurisdiction to the City and/or Carver County. The turnback involves a
conglomerate of agreements that need to occur between MnDOT and Hennepin County, Carver
County, Scott County, and the City of Chanhassen. These agreement are anticipated to be
finalized and signed by MnDOT sometime this fall. Portions of this plat are dependent upon the
vacation of these right -of -ways before being recorded:
Streets within the subdivision are proposed to be private with the exceptions of Trunk,Highway
101 (Market Boulevard) and a small portion of Lake Drive at the easterly end of the plat. During
conceptual review of the development, staff indicated that Lake Drive is designated as a collector
street on the City's Comprehensive Plan as well as listed as a Municipal State Aid Route.
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Therefore, the street would have to be built to State Aid standards. Given the issue of on- street
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parking and some unique aesthetic design elements, staff has re- evaluated its position. With the
current design proposal, Lake Drive will actually function more as a main street for this
development rather then a collector through street for the City. For this reason and given the type
of unique pavement design, parking configurations and landscaping improvements, staff has
decided to allow Lake Drive to be built, owned, and maintained as a private street. This will
improve building setback requirements, construction costs for the applicant, and reduce
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maintenance demands on the City, i.e. snowplowing. As a result of this action, the City will need
to request MnDOT to revoke the MSAS status. A small portion of Lake Drive at the easterly end
of the project will be dedicated and built as a public street which will provide a new street access
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to Grandview Road. Currently, Grandview Road is a private gravel street serving six homes with
the potential of further subdividing once sewer and water becomes available. A secondary access
point is also being provided to Grandview Road through Lot 10, Block 1 (St. Hubert's Church
site).
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The preliminary plat proposes to dedicate a 25 -foot wide right -of -way along the east portion of
the plat through Lot 8 and 10, Block 1. Upon review of the existing Grandview Road alignment,
it appears the 25 -foot wide right -of -way could be reduced to 17 feet, however, it needs to be
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extended southerly to parallel Grandview Road until Grandview Road turns easterly. This will
impact the location of the retaining walls and parking as shown on Lot 10, Block 1.
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The preliminary plat is proposing to dedicate right -of -way for Lake Drive and the new access
street to Grandview Road. Staff believes that the cul -de -sac street for Grandview Road can be
reduced down to a 31 -foot wide street with a temporary turnaround. The street section for the
public portion of Lake Drive shall be constructed to 36 feet wide, face -to -face with concrete curb
and gutter. The street section which access Grandview Road within the plat shall be construction
to 31 feet wide, back -to -back with concrete curb and gutter. A temporary cul -de -sac with a 50-
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foot radius will also need to be constructed at the end of the public street (Grandview Road).
Private streets shall be constructed in accordance with the City's private street ordinance which
requires a minimum 26 -foot wide drive aisles. The development proposes to meet these drive
aisle requirements with the except of the hotel /restaurant site where the narrative on the plans
indicated 22 -foot wide drive aisles in these areas. The drive aisles will need to be increased to
facilitate turning movements, delivery vehicles, and public safety apparatuses.
The plans are proposing full access. points onto Trunk. Highway 101 (Market Boulevard) at Lake
Drive, Great Plains Boulevard (Main Street), and across from Rosemount's driveway. Staff has
serious safety concerns with the full access across from existing Lake Drive given the — Close
proximity to Trunk Highway 5 and existing roadway geometries. Staff believes that a right -in,
right -out only may be permitted after further traffic studies are compiled and reviewed by the
City.
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August 12, 1996
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A development of this size will require traffic control improvements along Trunk Highway 101
(Market Boulevard) and Great Plains Boulevard, as well as, Main Street. This includes
constructing all or portions of future Trunk Highway 101 to four lanes with auxiliary turn lanes
and traffic signals at Trunk Highway 101 and proposed Lake Drive. Staff is also concerned that
eventually a traffic signal will also be warranted at Trunk Highway 101 and Main Street (access
south of Lake Drive). Both traffic signals will require meeting a signal justification report prior
to installation with MnDOT. All Trunk Highway 101 improvements will need to meet State Aid
standards. MnDOT will also be required to approve all access points on Trunk Highway 101.
A cost - sharing agreement for the installation of any traffic signals will need to be drafted. A
breakdown of the cost participation would be based on jurisdictional entrance percentage. For
example, a signal on Trunk Highway 101 at Lake Drive would be split 50% MnDOT, County or
City, 37% Villages on the Pond, and Rosemount 12 %. Depending on phasing of the
development, traffic signals or improvements to Trunk Highway 101 may not immediately be
warranted, therefore, staff recommends that the applicant set up a financial escrow account with
the City to guarantee future modifications along Trunk Highway 101. The financial guarantee
may be in the form of a letter of credit or certificate of deposit assuming that these improvements
are not installed with Phase I.
Upon review of the interior drive aisles and parking lots, staff has concerns with the northerly
east /west drive aisle west of Main Street. This drive aisle will act as a thoroughfare for traffic.
The proposed parking stalls will create turning movements and pedestrian crossings which could
lead to a potentially hazardous situation. Staff is recommending that the northerly parking stalls
be eliminated and parking permitted only on the south side of the drive aisle adjacent to retail
shops. These parking lot configurations will be further evaluated with the individual site plan
submittals. For the most part, the main street drive aisle configurations throughout the
development appears acceptable with the exception of drive aisles at the intersection of Trunk
Highway 101 and Great Plains Boulevard. At these intersections, the streets are narrowed down
from 44 feet wide to 26 feet wide. Staff believes that an additional right turn lane will need to be
incorporated which will increase the drive aisle width to 38 feet to accommodate the turn lanes.
A right turn lane should also be constructed on northbound Lake Drive at Great Plains
Boulevard.
In conjunction with-private streets, cross - access easements and maintenance agreements will
' need to be prepared by the applicant. The cross - access easements should also qualify the
secondary access road for public use to Grandview Road.
' Detailed construction plans and specifications will be required for all public streets. The plans
and specifications should be prepared in accordance with the City's latest edition of Standard
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Specifications and Detail Plates. The construction plans and specifications will be subject to '
staff review and formal approval by City Council.
Some of the plans indicate Lake Drive being dedicated with an 80 -foot wide right -of -way.
However, the preliminary plat indicates the street will fall within Outlot A which is proposed at
60 feet wide. The proposed private street segment, 44 feet in width, will fit within the 60 width. ,
However, portions of the sidewalk area will need to be located on the individual lots to facilitate
the pedestrian plaza and wide sidewalks envisioned for Lake Drive.
PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE ,
The Planning Commission held a public hearing on July 17, 1996 to review the proposed
development. The Planning Commission tabled the item to permit staff and the applicant the
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opportunity to clarify the vision for the Village Pond, to analyze parking, to permit the Park &
Recreation Commission to make a recommendation on the location of the proposed soccer field,
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to create a written definition of the "village character ", and to modify the Development Design
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Standards.
However, the applicant and Planning Commission were concerned that the uncertainty contained
in such a condition may preclude financing for the project. The Planning Commission requested
The Planning Commission held a second hearing on July 24, 1996 to review the development.
The Planning Commission voted four for, zero against, with one abstention to recommend
approval of the development subject to the conditions, as modified, below.
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The Planning Commission did express some concern regarding the open -ended approval
provided with a PUD, with the potential for portions of the project to remain undeveloped for
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several years and changing conditions and ordinances taking place that are not applicable to this
development. Staff had proposed language that would require the development be reviewed by
the city five years after final development approval to determine if the design standards and
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conditions of approval were still appropriate and permitted the city to revise the conditions then.
However, the applicant and Planning Commission were concerned that the uncertainty contained
in such a condition may preclude financing for the project. The Planning Commission requested
that staff and the city attorney develop some language that addressed this concern.
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' August 12, 1996
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' RECOMMENDATION
Staff recommends that the City Council adopt the following motion:
' "The City Council grants preliminary approval of PUD #92 -1 including a Comprehensive Land
Use Plan amendment from Office /industrial, Institutional, Residential Medium Density, Residential
' Low Density to Mixed Use - Commercial, High Density Residential, Institutional and Office;
Preliminary planned unit development for up to 291,000 sq. ft. of commercial /office buildings,
100,000 sq. ft. of institutional buildings, and 322 dwelling units; Rezoning from IOP and RSF to
PUD, Planned Unit Development (first reading); Preliminary plat for 13 lots and 3 outlots and
public right -of -way; Wetland Alteration Permit to fill and excavate wetlands on site; Vacation of
right -of -way and easements; Environmental Assessment Worksheet (EAW) findings of Negative
Declaration of the need for additional environmental investigation; and Indirect Source Permit
Review for the Villages on the Ponds project on 66.12 acres subject to the following conditions:
1. Applicant will be required to provide 208 trees as reforestation plantings. Trees are to be
from the city's Approved Tree List.
' 2. All future site plans for the Villages on the Pond development will use the conceptual
landscaping plan as a guide for numbers of placement of landscape plants including trees and
shrubs. No individual uses will be allowed to provide less landscaping for the site than what
has been included on the master landscaping plan.
3_ Applicant shall provide a landscaped walkway between individual sites along Highway 5 to
allow for greater pedestrian accessibility and continuity of landscaping if the building are not
moved to the foreground of their parking lots.
4_ Minimum tree removal will be allowed for the tennis courts to the west of Highway 101. No
clearings will be allowed for parking spaces.
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5. The development shall comply with the development design standards included in the staff
report and incorporated herein by reference.
6. Grading shall be prohibited in the area between the bluff areas adjacent to Lake Susan.
7. Fire hydrants shall be spaced at 300 foot intervals and fire hydrants shall be located at major
intersections. Final hydrant approval will be given when exact street locations are.known and
how buildings are positioned on property.
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• Provide compatible site grades for the future upgrade of Grandview Road through Lots 8 and '
10, Block 1.
• Delete tennis courts. ,
• Relocate NURP Basin No. 4 westerly outside of existing Trunk Highway 101 right -of -way.
Consider consolidation of NURP Basin No. 3 with NURP Basin No. 4 and oversize NURP '
Basin No. 4 to accommodate future stormwater runoff south of the development.
• Adjust grading limits on Lot 2, Block 2 to avoid tree loss.
• Phases of grading the development shall be shown. 1
• Incorporate fencing with the construction of the 12 -foot high retaining wall on Lot 10, Block
1. ,
• Rerouting of Riley Creek shall. be developed and approved:by the`DNR; _
• Revise grades along Trunk Highway 101 for a future trail underneath Trunk Highway 101.
• All NURP basins shall be constructed with either 3:1 side slopes with a 10:1 inch at the
normal water level for the first 1 -foot of depth or 4:1 side slopes overall.
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8. Turning radiuses of fire apparatus access roads shall be submitted to City Engineer and Fire
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Marshal for review and approval.
9. Fire lanes will be marked with the appropriate street signage and yellow curbing. Fire
Marshal will determine fire lanes upon review of plans and final access routes and at that
point determine exact placement of signs and yellow curbing.
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10. The road or driveway access directly east of the existing Lake Drive must have a street name.
The street name must be submitted to the Fire Marshal for review and approval.
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11. Premises identification will be reviewed as specific buildings are being proposed.
Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Policy # 29 -1992 will be used as basic criteria
for numbering the buildings. Due to the complexity of this project, numbering on more than
one side will be necessary as well as additional monument or directional signage.
12. Final grading plan shall incorporate the following changes:
• Provide compatible site grades for the future upgrade of Grandview Road through Lots 8 and '
10, Block 1.
• Delete tennis courts. ,
• Relocate NURP Basin No. 4 westerly outside of existing Trunk Highway 101 right -of -way.
Consider consolidation of NURP Basin No. 3 with NURP Basin No. 4 and oversize NURP '
Basin No. 4 to accommodate future stormwater runoff south of the development.
• Adjust grading limits on Lot 2, Block 2 to avoid tree loss.
• Phases of grading the development shall be shown. 1
• Incorporate fencing with the construction of the 12 -foot high retaining wall on Lot 10, Block
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• Rerouting of Riley Creek shall. be developed and approved:by the`DNR; _
• Revise grades along Trunk Highway 101 for a future trail underneath Trunk Highway 101.
• All NURP basins shall be constructed with either 3:1 side slopes with a 10:1 inch at the
normal water level for the first 1 -foot of depth or 4:1 side slopes overall.
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• Add high water levels to all NURP basins and wetlands.
• No berming allowed in any public right -of -way.
' • Maintain 7 1 -2 feet of cover over City's watermain along Trunk Highway 101.
Include lot lines, lot numbers, block numbers, and storm sewers with structure numbers.
13. Final plat approval shall be contingent upon clarification of the issues relating to the vacation
of Great Plains Boulevard and portions of Trunk Highway 101 lying westerly of the future
' Trunk Highway 101 corridor.
14. The lowest floor elevation of buildings adjacent to ponds and wetland shall be a minimum of
' 2 feet above the 100 -year high water level.
15. The City shall assume maintenance and ownership of the stormwater ponding facilities and
wetlands two years after completion of the site improvements. The appropriate drainage and
utility easements shall be dedicated on the final plat over ponding areas and wetlands. The
easements shall encompass the storm ponds and wetlands up to the 100 -year flood level.
Storm sewer facilities which lie outside of public right -of -way shall be privately owned and
maintained by the applicant or its successors.
' 16. The proposed 8 -inch water line through Lot 10, Block 1 along the northerly side of proposed
St. Hubert's Church shall be extended along the secondary access road to the east property
line. In addition, sanitary and storm sewer and water service shall be extended to the east
property line of the plat through the northerly access road to Grandview Road via Lake Drive
and sanitary sewer shall be extended south of the school to the east property line.
17. All sanitary sewer and water lines with the exception of the individual building services shall
be owned and maintained by the City upon completion. As -built construction plans will be
' required before the City accepts the utilities.
18. The existing house on Lot 1, Block 2 shall be razed within 30 days after the final plat is
' recorded and the appropriate demolition permits will be required through the City's Building
Department. Existing wells and /septic systems on the site shall be abandoned per State
health codes and City ordinance.
' 19. The final plat shall dedicate right -of -way for future Grandview Road over the easterly 17 feet
of Lots 8 and 10, Block 1 paralleling existing Grandview Road.
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August 12, 1996 ,
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20. All access points on to Trunk Highway 101 are subject to MnDOT and city approval. '
21. Detailed storm sewer calculations for a 10 -year and 100 -year storm events along with ponding ,
calculations based on Walker's PONDNET methodology along with pre and post - runoff
conditions shall be submitted to City staff for review and approval prior to final plat ,
consideration.
22. The applicant will be responsible for the appropriate water quantity connection fees based on
the City's Surface Water Management Plan. Staff has estimated the proposed development
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would be responsible for a water quantity fee of $159,206.00 and a water quality fee of
$267,323.00. Credits may be applied to the applicant's SWMP fees for oversizing of the
ponding facilities and oversizing of trunk storm sewer after review of the final construction
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plans and drainage /ponding calculations. The SWMP fees are payable at time of final plat.
for installation lights the
23. The applicant shall be responsible the of street along private and
public streets. The applicant and City staff shall work together to prepare a street lighting plan
to be incorporated into the street construction plans.
24. The applicant will be required to enter into a PUD /development contract with the City and
provide the necessary financial security and administration fees to guarantee compliance with
the conditions of approval.
25. The applicant shall design and construct the street and utility improvements in accordance to the ,
City's latest edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates. Detailed construction plans
and specifications for the public improvements shall be submitted to City staff for review and
formal approval by City Council in conjunction with final plat approval. ,
26. The applicant shall provide a copy of the covenants for review and approval by the City and
shall be filed at the County with the final plat documents. '
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29. The applicant shall develop a sediment and erosion control plan in accordance with the City's
Best Management Practice Handbook (BMPH). Type III erosion control fencing will be
required around the wetlands. The site may also require additional erosion control fence on the
slopes and/or temporary sediment basins. Wood fiber blankets shall be utilized on all slopes in
excess of 3:1.
30. Drainage and conservation easements shall be dedicated over all wetland areas within the
subdivision including outlots. Wetland mitigation measures shall be developed and subject to
approval by the City. The mitigation measures shall be completed in conjunction with the site
grading and restoration.
31. The applicant reduce the impacts to Wetland 2000, create a larger on site mitigation area and
present a sequencing plan showing reduced impact to affected wetlands.
32. City staff and the applicant shall investigate the origin of Wetland 6000 to determine if this
area can be exempt from the Wetland Conservation Act.
33. Buffer strips shall be provided around Wetland 5000. The buffer strips shall be 10 to 30 feet
in width with an average width of 20 feet.
34. The street section for the public portion of Lake Drive shall be constructed to 36 -feet wide face -
to -face with concrete curb and gutter. The street section which accesses Grandview Road
within the plat shall be constructed to 31 -feet wide back -to -back with concrete curb and gutter.
A temporary cul -de -sac with a 25 -foot radius shall be constructed at the end of the public street
for Grandview Road. All private streets shall be constructed in accordance with the City's
private street ordinance which requires a minimum 26 -foot wide drive aisles and built to 7 -ton
design.
35. Depending on the phasing of the project, Trunk Highway 101 may need to be upgraded to four
lanes, as well as, turn lanes and traffic signals. This will be further evaluated contingent upon
the outcome of the traffic study being reviewed by SRF. The applicant shall incorporate the
necessary traffic improvements as recommended by SRF accordingly. Should the traffic signals
not be required with the initial phase of development, the applicant will be required to escrow
with the City their fair share of the cost for future installation. Security shall be a means of a
letter of credit or a certificate of 'deposit. All Trunk Highway 101 improvements shall meet
State Aid standards. The applicants responsibility for the traffic signals along Trunk- Eighway
101 shall be 37% of the total cost. A cost sharing agreement between the applicant-and City
shall be drafted for the installation of any traffic signals.
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36.
The applicant shall provide cross - access easements and maintenance agreements for use of the
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private streets. Cross - access easements should also qualify the secondary access road for public
use to Grandview Road.
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37.
The applicant shall also to the City a trail easement over Lot 9, Block 1 and Outlots B
pP convey tY
and C once the trail alignment has been approved and constructed.
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38.
The applicant shall dedicate the future Trunk Highway 101 right -of -way with the initial phase
of development in conjunction with an agreement by the city for the vacation of TH 101.
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39.
The application be approved as presented with certain conditions regarding parks and
recreation:
a. The south Rice Marsh Lake Trail connection be identified on the plan.
b. If the trail along TH 101 south of Rosemount is disturbed during construction, an
agreement for replacement be coordinated with the applicant.
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c. There be a joint agreement for future use of the soccer field between the community
and St. Hubert's Church.
d. Full park and trail fees be collected per city ordinance.
40.
Unless setbacks can be maintained for existing TH 101, development of Block 2 is contingent
upon the upgrade of State Hwy. 101.
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41.
The developer shall create a schematic booklet depicting development design standards and
definitions.
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42.
The developer shall create and maintain an Architectural and Landscape Review Committee to
review and approve development and building plans for buildings within the Villages on the
Ponds.
43.
The Developer shall work with the city to accomplish City goals for housing including the
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provision of "affordable housing."
44.
The developer and future site users shall be required to incorporate street/plaza furniture,
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plantin boxes, public art , bicycle racks, drinking fountains, etc. within the development-and on-,-.-
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Vidual site plans;`
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The applicant shall prepare a detail plan for the design of the wetland alterations.
46. The applicant shall provide specific landscaping plan for wetland 2000 and along TH 5. 1
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47. For two years following final approval of the development, no changes in official
controls of the city shall affect the development."
ATTACHMENTS
1. Development Review Application
2. Site Narrative
3. Development Design Standards, dated June 19, 1996 revised June 26, 1996
4. Memo from Steve Kirchman to Bob Generous dated 6/27/94
5. Memo from Mark Littfin to Sharmin Al -Jaff dated 7/8/96
6. Letter from David Hempel to Dennis Eller dated 7/9/96
7. Memo from Bill Weckman to Sharmin Al -Jaff dated 6/28/96
8. Letter from Gregg Downing to Kate Aanenson dated 6/26/96
9. Dennis Cassano, "Revisiting Villages," Star Tribune, Minneapolis Addition, June 24, 1996,
Al and A6
10. Lotus Realty Services, Informational Open House Notice
11. Public Hearing Notice and Mailing List
12. Letter from Mark W. Fuhrmann to Robert Generous dated 7/15/96
13. Villages on the Ponds Parking Analysis
14. Parks & Recreation Motion of 7/23/96
15. Villages on the Ponds, Traditional Village Character Description
16. Examples of Street Furniture
17. Planning Commission Minutes of 7/17/94
18. Planning Commission Minutes of 7/24/96
CITY OF CHANHASSEN
690 COUL'rER DRIVE
CHANHASSEN, MN 55317
(612) 937.1900
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION
APPLICANT Lotus Realty Services, Inc. OWNER: Ward Family
ADDRESS: P.O. Box 235 ADDRESS:
Chanhassen, MN 55317
TELEPHONE (Daytime) 934 -4538
TELEPHONE:
1. X
Comprehensive Plan Amendment
11. Vacation of ROW /Easements 1 / 00
2.
Conditional Use Permit
12. Variance
3.
Interim Use Permit
13. X Wetland Alteration Permit 7:)
4.
Non - conforming Use Permit
14. Zoning Appeal
5. X
Planned Unit Development Pd
15. Zoning Ordinance Amendment
6.
Rezoning
7.
Sign Permits
8.
Sign Plan Review
Notification Signs — fe
9.
Site Plan Review
X Escrow for Filing Fees /Attorney Cost"
($50 CUP /SPRNACNAR/WAP /Metes
and Bounds, $400 Minor SUB)
10 _ Subdivision �'O®
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TOTAL FEE $
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A list of all property owners within 500 feet of the boundaries of the property must
Included with the application.
Twenty -six full size folded copies of the plans must be submitted.
8%s" X 11" Reduced copy of transparency for each plan sheet.
NOTE - When multiple applications are processed, the appropriate fee shall be charged for each application.
" Escrow will be required for other applications through the development contract
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PROJECT NAME Villages on the Ponds
LOCATION SE Corner, Highway 5 & Market Blvd.
'LEGAL DESCRIPTION See attached.
PRESENT ZONING IOP /RSF
'REQUESTED ZONING
PUD
,PRESENT LAND USE DESIGNATION RSF /RM d /0- Tn,t /O- Tnciuctri a i
REQUESTED LAND USE DESIGNATION Mixed Use PUD - Res, office, commercial,
institutional.
,REASON FOR THIS REQUEST To create a mixed use, neotraditional addition t.n
Downtown area of Chanhassen.
' This application must be completed in full and be typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all information
and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provisions. Before filing this application, you should confer with the
Planning Department to determine the specific ordinance and procedural requirements applicable to your application.
' This is to certify that 1 am making application for the described action by the City and that I am responsible for complying
with all City requirements with regard to this request. This application should be processed in my name and I am the party
whom the City should contact regarding any matter pertaining to this application. I have attached a copy of proof of
ownership (either copy of Owner's Duplicate Certificate of Title, Abstract of Title or purchase agreement), or I am the
authorized person to make this application and the fee owner has also signed this application.
' I will keep myself informed of the deadlines for submission of material and the progress of this application. I further
understand that additional fees may be charged for consulting fees, feasibility studies, etc. with an estimate prior to any
authorization to proceed with the study. The documents and information I have submitted are true and correct to the best
1 of my knowledge.
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Application Received on �� �� �Q Fee Paid / Receipt No.
' The applicant should contact staff for a copy of the staff report which will be available on Friday prior to the
meeting. If not contacted, a copy of the report will be mailed to the applicant's address.
JUN -21 -96 FRI 12:08 ARCHDIOCESE STP MPLS FAX NO. 2901629 P.01
Jun -20 -95 01:49P Brad Johnson 612- 934 -472 P -03
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PROJECT NAME Vil1_ag on the ponds
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highway S & Market Blvd.
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LOCATION SE corner,
LEGAL DESCRIPTION See attAghed.
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PRESENT ZONING IOP /RS1:
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REQUESTED ZONING PUD
PRESENT LAND USE DESIGNATION RSF /$Med /rO- Tnc + /n- TnAii-gtrj al
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NEOUESTED LANG USE DESIGNATION Mixed Use PUD — Res €t-1c COMMercial,
Inst tntionai.
REASON FOP THIS REQUEST To create a mixed use, neatraditi2nal Ajrlit4on ta
Downtown area of Chanhassen.
This application must be completed in full and be typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all imormation
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and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provislons. setore tiring finis application, you snouid copier whir fine
Planning Department to determine the specato ordinance and procedural requirements appled w YVW1 oppm- K.w14.
This is to certify that f am mafdng application for the described action by the City and that I am responsible for complying
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I wits keep myseft Informed of the deadlines for submission of material and the progress of this application. i iunner
understand that additional tees may be charged for consulting tees, feasiblttty studies, etc. wah an esiimaie prior i6 afar
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EXHIBIT A
TRACT I
Beginning at the Northeast corner of outlot 1,• LAKES
BUSINESS PARK ", according to the plat thereof on file in the
office of the County Recorder, Carver County, Minnesotan thence
Southerly along the Easterly line of said Outlot I and the
Easterly line of Outlot J, said ^•HtuNHkSSEN =r% BUS -NESS PARK"
and the extension of said easterly line of said outlot J to its
intersection with the shoreline of Lake Susan; thence Easterly
and Southerly along said shoreline to its intersection with the
South line of Government Lot 2, Section 13, Township 116N, Range
23W,• thence Easterly along the South line of said Government Lot
2 to its intersection with the center line of S.T.H. No. .
thence Northerly along the said center line of said S.T.H. No.
101 to its intersection with the center line of S.T.H. No. 5:
thence westerly along the center line of S.T.H. No 5 to its
intersection with the East line of said Outlot I extended
Northerly; thence southerly along the East line of said Outlot I
extended Northerly to the point of beginning.'
TRACT II
All that part of the following described premises, viz:
"Government Lot 2 and the Southeast Quarter of the
Northwest quarter of section 13•, Township 116N,
Range 23W, Carver County,*Minnesota, containing 77.50
acres, more or less, according to the U.S. Government
Survey thereof, and known as the Emil Klein Farm ",
not included within the premises as deac,- in BRACT 1 above.
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SITE NARRATIVE I
EXISTING CONDITIONS i
The highest portion of the site is at its northern end, where a ridge at an average
elevation of 956 runs east /west across the site terminating at the highest elevation
on site of 971 at the eastern property line. The grade slopes north toward low
elevations of 950 near Highway 5 and south to a ridge line parallel to Rice Marsh
and Lake Susan. Elevations near the lakes is typically 880 + . There is also a ,
significant wooded knoll at the south end of the property on the western edge of
Rice Marsh Lake with a high point of elevation 905, approximately 30 feet above
normal water level of 877.
Highway 101 stretches north /south through the site and is proposed to be
realigned and widened which will affect both existing tree canopy on site and
usable land area. Highway 5 creates the northern most site boundary.
Great Plains Boulevard runs from the northeast to the southwestern portion of the '
site. Wetlands are concentrated in southern and northern thirds of the site with
the largest area encompassing Rice Marsh Lake and the creek connection to Lake
Susan. A fairly large wetland is also located near Highway 5 at the top of the
site. A fair portion of the site has existing tree canopy cover on it and an existing
city trail runs east /west along the southern ridge on site.
WETLANDS ,
A wetland delineation was completed in November 1995 using the 1987 Manual '
for Delineating Jurisdictional Wetlands. Eight wetlands were identified within the
site and delineated in the field (Figure 2). Based on the proposed site plan, five
wetlands would receive unavoidable impacts, two of which would be completely
filled (Table 1, Figure 8).
The site plan minimizes wetland impacts by avoiding three wetlands and by
incorporating several wetland areas into the site design. The two DNR Protected
Waters, Wetlands 3000 and 4000, will not be impacted by the _project Wetland
1000 will. also _be avoided
The main portion of Wetland 2000, roughly 2.0 acres, is designated as a storm
water detention basin according to the Chanhassen Surface Water Management
Plan (SWMP). Approximately 1.3 acres of this 3.4 acre basin would be filled by
the project. However, the center portion of the remaining basin will be excavated
to provide the required storm water storage capacity in accordance with the
SWMP. I
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TABLE 1
WETLAND CHARACTERISTICS AND POTENTIAL IMPACTS BASED ON
THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN (6/3/96)
Six storm water detention basins, with an area of approximately two acres,
would be constructed on site. All of the pond areas are located adjacent to or
upstream from existing wetlands. The storm water ponds will minimize water
quality and quantity impacts to these wetland areas by controlling the amount of
bounce during storm events and by filtering nutrients and sediments in storm
water runoff.
Two on -site areas are being considered for wetland mitigation, with a potential
of 1.3 acres of wetland creation. However, these wetland mitigation areas would
require the removal of existing tree canopy, since both of these areas are wooded.
The developer is currently reviewing the potential for off site wetland mitigation
and will coordinate with regulating agencies during the permitting process.'
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BASIN
C -39 TYPE
SIZE
IMPACT
TYPE OF
WETLAND
(COWARDIN)
ACRES
ACRES
IMPACT
1000
1
0.09
0
NA
(PEMA /C)
2000
2/7
3.40
1.30
Parking /Bldg./
(PFO /PEMC /PSS)
Road
3000
1/5
7.19
0
(Would be
(PUBG /PEMC /PSS)
impacted by
TH 101
construction)
4000
1/5
3.46
0
NA
(L1UBH /PEMC)
5000
1/2
0.06
0.06
Parking
(PEMA)
6000
1
0.36
0.13
Building
(PFOA)
7000
1
0.95
0.95
Road /Parking/
(PFOA)
Bldg.
8000
1
0.18
0.02
Bldg. /Parking
(PEMB /A)
TOTAL
15.69
2.46
Six storm water detention basins, with an area of approximately two acres,
would be constructed on site. All of the pond areas are located adjacent to or
upstream from existing wetlands. The storm water ponds will minimize water
quality and quantity impacts to these wetland areas by controlling the amount of
bounce during storm events and by filtering nutrients and sediments in storm
water runoff.
Two on -site areas are being considered for wetland mitigation, with a potential
of 1.3 acres of wetland creation. However, these wetland mitigation areas would
require the removal of existing tree canopy, since both of these areas are wooded.
The developer is currently reviewing the potential for off site wetland mitigation
and will coordinate with regulating agencies during the permitting process.'
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SHORELAND PROTECTION ZONE '
The southern two thirds of the site falls within the 1,000 -foot Shoreland '
Management District for Lake Susan and Rice Marsh Lake. The following zoning
provisions are a part of the Shoreland Management District:
Lake Susan Rice Marsh Lake '
• Structure Setbacks from OHW 75 ft. 150 ft.
• Parking Setbacks 75 ft. 150 ft.
• Impervious surface maximum 25% of lot area
35% for medium /high density
residential
• Structure and Parking setback 50 ft.
from Highway 101 right -of -way
The required setbacks for parking and structures at the lake edge and along
Highway 101 will be met by this project. The PUD Guidelines will relax the
impervious surface requirements to allow for a slightly higher degree of
development on this site.
HIGHWAY CORRIDOR DISTRICT
The northern edge of the site bound by Highway 5 falls within an HC -1
(Highway Corridor) District. These guidelines typically dictate parking and
building setbacks, architectural character and site landscaping and the project
image when viewed from Highway 5.
The building setback of 50 feet from the right -of -way line will be adhered to, the
remaining standards for the HC -1 zoning will be addressed as part of the PUD
Development Guidelines for the project.
BUFFER YARDS ,
As part of the City's PUD Guidelines, buffer yards are required when higher '
density uses interface with low density uses. Since low density residential
development is east of this site, a landscaped buffer yard will be established
adjacent to that neighborhood. A buffer yard is also required along both sides
of the Highway 101 corridor.
- — - BLUFF AREAS - - - - - -
Although there is a significant amount of grade change across this site only-two
small areas of the hillside adjacent to Lake Susan meet the City zoning criteria
which define a bluff. No development is allowed within 30 feet of these
designated areas of the site, and alteration of the vegetation within the bluff is not
permitted.
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I TREE PRESERVATION
A tree survey is included as part of this PUD submission. It identifies significant
groupings of trees 12 -inch caliper and larger which exist on the site. Many of
these are within the 12 -inch to 18 -inch caliper size and comprised of ash,
cottonwood, box elder, and elm varieties often concentrated near wetland areas.
' There are also upland varieties such as oak and hackberry in the higher portions
of the site. Some of the trees identified by the survey are 20 inches and greater
in size.
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The existing or baseline canopy coverage was interpreted by review of an aerial
photo of the site taken in October 1994. The resulting exhibit "Existing Tree
Canopy Cover" outlines the various percentages of canopy cover which exist on
site. These percentages represent both mature trees and saplings which could
grow into a tree with a 20 -foot or greater canopy. Excluding open space, the
percent cover ranges from 5 percent along the north ridge of the site to pockets
of 100 percent cover many of which are in the southern one third of the property.
Upon calculating the percentage of existing canopy cover and the associated
acreage, it was determined the site currently has 33.4 acres of canopy cover. After
adjusting this figure for loss due to the Highway 101 realignment and deducting
wetland areas (per code), the baseline canopy cover is 26.11 acres.
Upon adjusting the site acreage to reflect the Highway 101 realignment and
deducting wetlands and lakes (per code), the net site acreage is 47.06 acres. The
site acreage and canopy cover were split east and west of 101 since the proposed
site uses for these areas are different: residential west of 101 and commercial east.
The corresponding figures were used to determine minimum canopy cover to
remain.
West of 101
Site Acreage = 8.5 acres
Baseline Canopy Cover = 7.76 acres
Existing % Cover = 91%
Medium Density Residential Zoning:
40% of canopy must remain or
3.4 acres
East of 101
Site acreage = 38.56 acres
18.4 acres
48%
Commercial Zoning:
20% of canopy must remain or
7.7 acres
11.1 acres = the minimum canopy cover which must remain on site per the City
of Chanhassen tree preservation requirements.
The sum total of existing canopy cover which will remain on site per.. -the
proposed site grading plans is 6.1 acres. The difference of five acres in tree
canopy cover must be replaced at 1.2 to 1 which equals six acres of tree
replacement or a total of 240 trees to meet the tree preservation requirements.
Much of the tree canopy which will remain is located in the southern portion of
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the site near Lakes Susan and Rice Marsh, west of Highway 101 or within
wetland areas remaining on site. The percentage of existing canopy cover in
these areas was typically 100 percent as determined by the aerial photo '
calculations.
GRADING, DRAINAGE AND EROSION CONTROL '
The site grading for the proposed project corresponds in great part to the
direction of existing topography on site. Although it is proposed to lower grade
to an approximate elevation of 950 where the ridge exists, it remains a "ridge '
line" with grade sloping north and south of it. It also establishes the street image
of the project from Highway 5. Grade is held at a reasonably consistent elevation
along the ridge to create a level storefront for buildings. The area to the north ,
drains into sediment ponds prior to exiting into the wetland near Highway 5. A
significant portion of this wetland has been altered to create the "Village Pond"
as a central water feature and serve as runoff storage.
As one moves south down Main Street grade drops at a consistent slope along
storefronts to an elevation of 936 at the church plaza. From there is drops more
significantly to meet the proposed grades along Highway 101. The church is
proposed as a two level building and is a useful means of lowering site grade in
an attempt to meet existing grade at the south end of the site. A retaining wall
vehicular entry points of the site and draw visitors into the central portions of the
will still be required in this area since parking lot grades for the church have been
kept at a 3 percent maximum slope. Ponding areas have been located to gather
water in existing low areas near wetlands along Highway 101, as water features
such as the "village pond" or an axis with St. Huberts Church; and, thirdly, in an
plazas and squares in the Center of the Village. Vehicular traffic from the south
effort to preserve tree canopy cover as in the placement of the two lower most
ponds on site which are located within vacated right -of -ways.
Retaining walls will be needed in certain areas near the periphery of the site since
proposed and existing grade don't always match. These are also proposed in
planter boxes and site furnishings will add an additional level of detail in creating
many cases to limit existing tree loss on site.
,
Erosion control measures will be made as needed to prevent sediment runoff ,
from site grading.
SITE LANDSCAPE, HARD SCAPE, LIGHTING
The site landscaping makes use of overstory trees in linear patterns to enhance
the Village streetscape of the project while embellishing the architectural walls of
Main Street and Lake Drive. These boulevard trees begin at the pedestrian and
vehicular entry points of the site and draw visitors into the central portions of the
- - village. Shrub plantings will also frame these boulevards screen arkm and
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soften store fronts within the village. Special accent paving outline routes into
plazas and squares in the Center of the Village. Vehicular traffic from the south
and Main Street will be calmed by the circular fountain /plaza at St. Huberts
Church and the accent paving on Main Street. Pedestrian scale "period" lighting
planter boxes and site furnishings will add an additional level of detail in creating
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the village character for the project.
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Site lighting in the larger parking areas will most likely be from more efficient
"shoe box" type fixtures.
' A thorough mix of plant materials which insets City requirements and goes
beyond to establish this as a truly unique project will be used throughout this
site. These plantings in many instances will work with the architectural edges of
' the project to establish green walls near buildings and parking.
Wetland areas to remain will be planted with buffer areas as required by the City
t code.
Buffer yards of a variety of planting will be used to screen and control views
I along the Highway 101 corridor and at the residential edge east of the site.
SITE UTILITIES
The Project Site is adjacent to an existing 12" main trunk line and a 16 -inch main
currently under construction along Highway 101. A future 20 -inch branch is
proposed by the City to run along the proposed Lake Drive East to tie into the
existing line adjacent to Highway 5. This project will tie into the 16 -inch main
under construction and the future main in Lake Drive East. The water main will
' be looped with 8 -inch pipe within the Project Site to obtain maximum flow
capacity and improve the efficiency of the existing system layout.
The primary sanitary sewer route is located under Lake Drive and crosses
Highway 101. On the west side on Highway 101 the sewer connects to a sewer
line adjacent to the west property line. This system under Lake Drive serves most
of the development. A few of the parcels will need to be served separately to
' provide sufficient cover and slope on the sewer line. This sewer system is located
under Main Street turns and runs parallel to Highway 101 until it connects into
a major City trunk line.
SITE LAYOUT
' Typical dimensions used in the site layout are 9' x 18' parking stalls with a 26'
drive aisle. These typical dimensions are used for most of the site with the
exception of the hotel and restaurant parcel. On this parcel, the typical stall
dimension is 9' x 20' with a 22' drive aisle. Parking is provided along all the
private streets that cross the site.
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the site near Lakes Susan and Rice Marsh, west of Highway 101 or within
wetland areas remaining on site. The percentage of existing canopy cover in
these areas was typically 100 percent as determined by the aerial photo '
calculations.
GRADING, DRAINAGE AND EROSION CONTROL
'
The site grading for the proposed project corresponds in great part to the
direction of existing topography on site. Although it is proposed to lower grade
to an approximate elevation of 950 where the ridge exists, it remains a "ridge
'
line" with grade sloping north and south of it. It also establishes the street image
of the project from Highway 5. Grade is held at a reasonably consistent elevation
along the ridge to create a level storefront for buildings. The area to the north
,
drains into sediment ponds prior to exiting into the wetland near Highway 5. A
significant portion of this wetland has been altered to create the "Village Pond"
as a central water feature and serve as runoff storage.
'
As one moves south down Main Street grade drops at a consistent slope along
storefronts to an elevation of 936 at the church plaza. From there is drops more
significantly to meet the proposed grades along Highway 101. The church is
,
proposed as a two level building and is a useful means of lowering site grade in
an attempt to meet existing grade at the south end of the site. A retaining wall
will still be required in this area since parking lot grades for the church have been
kept at a 3 percent maximum slope. Ponding areas have been located to gather
water in existing low areas near wetlands along Highway 101, as water features
such as the "village pond" or an axis with St. Huberts Church; and, thirdly, in an
'
effort to preserve tree canopy cover as in the placement of the two lower most
ponds on site which are located within vacated right -of -ways.
'
Retaining walls will be needed in certain areas near the periphery of the site since
proposed and existing grade don't always match. These are also proposed in
many cases to limit existing tree loss on site.
'
Erosion control measures will be made as needed to prevent sediment runoff
from site grading.
,
SITE LANDSCAPE, HARD SCAPE, LIGHTING
The site landscaping makes use of overstory trees in linear patterns to enhance '
the Village streetscape of the project while embellishing the architectural walls of
Main Street and Lake Drive. These boulevard trees begin at the pedestrian and
vehicular entry points of the site and draw visitors into the central portions of the
village Shrub lanhn will scree
s i also frame these boulevards; n a rkin and
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soften st within the village. Special accent paving outline ►ioutes into
plazas and squares iF o r cF the Center of the Village. Vehicular traffic from the south
,and Main Street will be calmed by the circular fountain /plaza at St. Huberts
Church and the accent paving on Main Street. Pedestrian scale "period" lighting
planter boxes and site furnishings will add an additional level of detail in creating
the village character for the project.
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Site lighting in the larger parking areas will most likely be from more efficient
"shoe box" type fixtures.
A thorough mix of plant materials which in City requirements and goes
beyond to establish this as a truly unique project will be used throughout this
site. These plantings in many instances will work with the architectural edges of
the project to establish green walls near buildings and parking.
Wetland areas to remain will be planted with buffer areas as required by the City
code.
Buffer yards of a variety of planting will be used to screen and control views
along the Highway 101 corridor and at the residential edge east of the site.
SITE UTILITIES
The Project Site is adjacent to an existing 12" main trunk line and a 16 -inch main
currently under construction along Highway 101. A future 20 -inch branch is
proposed by the City to run along the proposed Lake Drive East to tie into the
existing line adjacent to Highway 5. This project will tie into the 16 -inch main
under construction and the future main in Lake Drive East. The water main will
be looped with 8 -inch pipe within the Project Site to obtain maximum flow
capacity and improve the efficiency of the existing system layout.
The primary sanitary sewer route is located under Lake Drive and crosses
' Highway 101. On the west side on Highway 101 the sewer connects to a sewer
line adjacent to the west property line. This system under Lake Drive serves most
of the development. A few of the parcels will need to be served separately to
' provide sufficient cover and slope on the sewer line. This sewer system is located
under Main Street turns and runs parallel to Highway 101 until it connects into
a major City trunk line.
' SITE LAYOUT
Typical dimensions used in the site layout are 9' x 18' parking stalls with a 26'
drive aisle. These typical dimensions are used for most of the site with the
exception of the hotel and restaurant parcel. On this parcel, the typical stall
' dimension is 9' x 20' with a 22' drive aisle. Parking is provided along all the
private streets that cross the site.
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SITE ACREAGE
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The total site acreage within the current property lines is approximately 63 acres.
Since a portion of Highway 101 has been upgraded and realigned, it is assumed
those improvements with extent south through the remaining portion of this
project site in the near future. This realignment of Highway 101 to the east of its
present location reduces the site acreage by approximately 3.2 acres. It is also
assumed that the 2.2 acres of existing right -of -way for Highway 101 will be
deeded over the applicant of this project. The resulting total site acreage per the
proposed realignment is 62 acres. All site related drawings reflect the proposed '
realignment of Highway 101.
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250 PRAIRIE CTR. DRIVE, STE. 200
EDEN MAIRIE. MN 55344
(612) 944 -6242 , FAX (612) 942 -7496
DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS
VILLAGES ON THE PONDS
A Mixed Use, Neo- traditional Development for the
City of Chanhassen, Minnesota
P.U.D. Submittal Package
June 19, 1996
Revised June 26, 1996
ARCHITECTURE • PLANNING • INTERIORS , CONSULTING
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Page
EXHIBIT: DEVELOPMENT SECTORS KEY PLAN
A. GENERAL .............. ..............................1
B. PERMITTED USES ....... ............................... 1
C. BUILDING PLACEMENT AND CONFIGURATION ........ 2
Sectors I, II, III and IV
D. ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN .............................. 3
1. General
2. Sectors I, III, III, and IV
E. SIGNAGE ............... ...............................
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A. GENERAL 1
1. These Standards shall regulate physical aspects of any development within the '
P.U.D. site area. They are to be reviewed in conjunction with all P.U.D.
design documents, such as Use and Data Plan, Site Dimensional Plan and
others. In case of conflict with any local, state or federal regulations, an
interpretation and decision shall be provided by the City of Chanhassen.
2. For purposes of these Standards, the entire site has been divided in four '
sectors. Sector I represents the Village "core," grouped around the streets and
plazas in the central area of the development. Due to its complexity, the ,
density and the emphasis on the pedestrian character of its public spaces, this
sector sets most of the design standards for the entire Village.
The standards for the other three peripheral sectors contain some specific
provisions that apply for each particular area. Sector 11 is a Highway 5-
oriented development; Sector III covers the church and the school area; and
Sector IV regulates Lake Susan oriented, predominantly residentially used
land area west of Highway 101.
B. PERMITTED USES
1. Refer to Use and Data Plan for general direction on uses that are permitted I
under this P.U.D.
2. As reflected in the Narrative Description, the uses can be mixed differently
than shown on the plans (within allocated building area totals), both vertically
and horizontally, and the buildings shall be adaptable to the ever - changing
market conditions. The purpose is to create a vibrant, economically
successful, quality-built environment that will preserve its vitality at all times.
3. Any new uses not identified in this P.U.D. and those that do not fall under i
any listed categories can be permitted only by amendment to this P.U.D. by
the City of Chanhassen. '
4. No uses shall be permitted that would have a negative impact on health and
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C. BUILDING PLACEMENT AND CONFIGURATION
Sector I
1. Setbacks
Buildings shall be placed in linear
fashion along the streets to form
"street wall" and plazas as shown
on P.U.D. plans. Minimum 85%
of the building facade above the
first floor shall be 0' to 3' setback
from the front building ( "build to ")
line. Maximum setback is 15'.
Building setback along Hwy. 101 is
50'. The architectural appendixes,
eves, balconies, etc. can project up
to 6' beyond building line.
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All buildings on Main Street and Lake Drive shall be not less than two stories in height.
Maximum height allowed is three stories with loft, or 50'.
Office and office /retail buildings along Highway 101 are allowed to be one story height, as
indicated on the Use and Data Plan. Maximum allowed height is two stories.
Sector II
1. Setbacks
Per Site Dimensional Plan and it as approved on the Use and Data Plan, the buildings shall
be placed in such a fashion to minimize parking exposure to the adjacent highways and the
blockage of views toward the Village "core" and Main Street.
2. Height
Maximum three stories, or 45' high.
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1. Setbacks
Per Site Dimensional Plan and Use and Data Plan. The church location, setback and rela-
tionship to the Church Plaza and Main Street is of essence. The building, parking and play
area disposition within this sector shall maximize the buffer zone towards the adjacent
residential area on the East side. '
2. Height
Maximum three stories, or 50'. Towers /vertical roof projections maximum 100' high. '
Sector IV '
1. Setbacks
Per Site Dimensional Plan and Use and Data Plan.
2. Height '
Maximum four stories with lofts, or 60' high.
D. ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ,
1. General '
1.1 The intent is to create a pedestrian friendly, "traditional' village character and
the atmosphere within this development, yet with the amenities and
technological "tools" of modern times. The village elevations shown on
P.U.D. drawings are to be used only as a general guideline and the reflection
of the overall Village "image." Specifically: '
• The north- midwestern architectural "vocabulary." '
• Village alike human scale and flavor.
• The variety in design and facade treatment is encouraged, thus
projecting an impression of a spontaneous, segmented village growth '
over time.
`" - - 12 Wliile the buildings-need #o the= comfortable village atmosphere, they
shall not be necessarily copies of the past, historical times They shall reflect
our times in materials used, aesthetics and fulfill functional requirements of
modern shopping and living.
1.3 The buildings shall have varied and interesting detailing. Monotonous long,
flush, "boxy" monolithic buildings common in suburban "sprawl' developments
are not acceptable. Also bright, long, continuous color bands are prohibited.
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' 1.4 There shall not be underdeveloped "backside" of buildings; all sides shall
receive nearly equal treatment and visual qualities.
' 1.5 The use of "cold" building materials, such as metal panels, gray concrete,
"curtain walls" and similar, can have only very limited application on the
I facades.
1.6 The materials and colors used for each building shall be selected in context
t with the adjacent, previously constructed buildings, and provide for a
harmonious integration with them. Extreme variations between buildings on
' the same street, in terms of overall appearance, bulk and height, colors and
setbacks are prohibited. The Village shall project a cohesive, coordinated
blend of building expressions, streetscape and functions.
' 1.7 Windows
' 1. "Curtainwall" storefront, or otherwise flush glass systems are discour-
aged and shall only be allowed for a maximum of 25% of the first
floor front facade area, and shall not extend above the second floor
' line.
2. Clear or lightly tinted glass is preferred and at the first floor manda-
tory. Reflective glass if prohibited.
1.8 Roofs
Sloped roofs with any shape and slope gradient are preferred and required, as
specified for each sector. The use of false roofs is discouraged.
' 1.9
' Compliance with Chanhassen HC -1 District, Section 20 -1454 "Architectural Design
Standards" is required. If any provisions are in conflict with this Standard, the
Standards take precedence.
The above, Section 1 General architectural design standards are applicable for all
sectors within this P.U.D. The specific, additional requirements for each sector are
reflected in the following section.
2. Architectural Design Standards by Sectors
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Sector I
' 1. The retail /apartment buildings along Main and Lake Streets, especially those
exceeding 200' in length, shall be provided with the Passages in a similar
fashion as shown on the Use and Data Plan. Those shall allow easy access
from the rear parking to the storefronts facing the streets and can be used on
the access points for the apartments on the upper floors. The Passages shall ,
be attractive, feel safe and may contain retail displays and entrances.
2. The design of retail/apartment artment buildin s shall carefully balance the needs of
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modern retailing located at the ground floor, and the needs for privacy and
residential "feel' of the apartments on the top floors.
The ground floor along sidewalks shall have a definite commercial character '
and allow for effective retail displays, storefront designs, sidewalk sales," cafe -
terraces, attractive signage, awnings, arcades, etc.
3. The shops and buildings on the rear sides facing parking lots may serve as the ,
entrance to the residential units on upper floors. A number of these units
will have windows and balconies oriented towards these parking and rear shop ,
areas. Hence, it is of essence that these shops' secondary entries and
service /delivery areas are attractively designed, screened with landscape and
maintained as clean and safe. The trash enclosures shall be located further '
away within the parking areas, maximally screened and meticulously
maintained.
4. Roofs: Sloped roofs shall be required (in lieu of flat roots) for a minimum of ,
70% of the roof area of each building. Roofs which are sloped shall have a
minimum slope of 4 in 12. The exemptions are commercially used buildings
exceeding 80' in depth, where up to 70% of the roof can be as flat roof.
Sector II '
1. Commercial buildings can have a maximum of 30% of the roof area as a flat
roof. '
Sector III
1. The building ide facing the Church Plaza needs to relate w '
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form, character and size. Pitched roofs and towers on the church will provide
a welcome vertical accent on the Village "horizon." However, the church
architecture and functions shall be well- integrated into the Village "fabric."
1. Roofs: Refer to Sector I provisions, item 4.
' E. SIGNAGE
SECTOR I
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All Signage shall comply with Chanhassen City Code, Article XXVI. SIGNS,
and the following amendments:
' 1. Prohibited signs:
1.1. Part 3 of the Chanhassen City Code Sec. 20 -159 shall be deleted. Projecting signs shall
not be prohibited in Development Sector I on Main Street.
1.2. In addition to prohibited signs outlined in Sec. 20 -1259 of the City Code, the following
' are prohibited: canopy signs, panel -type wall signs, pylon signs, and ground, low profile
signs.
2. Projecting Signs and Festive Flags/Banners:
2.1. Projecting Signs:
' 1. Are allowed- (on Main Street only)-one for each tenant.
' 2. Location: Projecting signs shall be centered above the tenant entrance door, a
minimum of 8 feet above the sidewalk.
' 3. Size: projecting signs shall have a maximum area of 6 square feet per side, and a
maximum thickness of 6 inches. Cut -out letter type signs are encouraged: Letters
' shall have a maximum height of 12 ".
4. Illumination: projecting signs shall not be self - illuminated: illumination may only be
' provided by surface mounted fixtures located on the sign or the adjacent facade.
5. Materials:
' a. Plastic projecting signs are prohibited.
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b. Projecting signs or banners utilized for decorative purposes May be
constructed of fabric.
c. Projecting signs may be painted, prefinished, or utilize exposed
' metal: Any exposed metal shall be anodized aluminum, stainless steel,
titanium, bronze, or other similar non - corrosive or non- oxidizing
materials.
2.2. Festive Flags/Banners: '
1. Projection: Festive Flags and Banners shall project from buildings a maximum of
two feet. I
2. Size: Festive Flags and Banners shall have a maximum area of 10 square feet. '
3. Material: Festive Flags and Banners shall be constructed in accordance with the
Chanhassen City Code. '
4. Location/Application: They shall be located at street level at Passages and
storefront retail areas.
3. Wall mounted signs:
3.1. Description: In addition to projecting signs, the only other type of signs allowed on the '
exterior walls of buildings shall be the type where the text of the business name and logo is
formed by individually "cut -out" letters individually mounted on the wall.
3.2. Size: The size of the signs shall comply with the restrictions set forth in the table in ,
section 20 -1302 describing wall areas for signage in Neighborhood Business, Fringe Business,
and Office & Institutional Districts. The commercial buildings with 2, parking or street, '
"fronts" are allowed to have tenant identification signs on two sides, with the above
area ratio for each sign.
3.3. Location: The to of the uppermost letter shall be no higher than 12" below the roof
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4. Development Identification Signs:
Shall be located near vehicular access points (as indicated on the drawings) to the development and
comply with requirements for the restrictions for the Ground Low Profile Business Signs outlined in
article XXVI of the Chanhassen City Code.
Exception: one "monumental" Development Identification Sign, maximum height 28', designed as a
Village Gateway to the project shall be located at the North end of Main Street refer to drawn s for
supplemental j ation).
Sector II
All Signage shall comply with Chanhassen City Code, Article XXVI. SIGNS ,
and the following amendments:
1. Prohibited signs:
In addition to prohibited signs outlined in Sec. 20 -1259, the following are prohibited: canopy signs,
and panel -type wall business signs.
2. Wall mounted signs:
2.1. Description: the only type of signs allowed on the exterior walls of buildings shall be of
the type where the text of the business name is formed by individually "cut out ", letters /logos
individually mounted on the wall.
2.2. Refer to Sector I, item 3.2.
2.3. Location: The top of the letters shall be no higher than the second floor line or 12 feet
above the adjacent grade -- whichever is lower.
3. Pylon Signs:
Pylon signs shall comply with Article XXVI of the Chanhassen City Code.
Sectors III & IV
All Signage shall comply with Chanhassen City Code, Article XXVI. SIGNS,
and the following amendments:
1. Prohibited signs:
In addition to prohibited signs outlined in Sec. 20 -1259, the following are prohibited: pylon signs,
canopy signs, and panel -type wall business signs.
2. Ground Low Profile Business Signs:
Ground low profile business signs shall comply with Article XXVI of the Chanhassen City Code.
3. Wall mounted signs: Refer to Sector I, item 3.2.
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F. PARKING I
Off - street and on- street parking shall conform to City Code, Article XXIV. Parking ,
and Loading, except as amended by these Standards as follows:
1) Parking shall be provided based on the shared use of surface parking areas '
whenever possible.
2) The parking needs for office uses shall be assessed based on the cumulative
office gross building area for the whole site, thus applying a ratio of 4.5/1,000
for first 50,000 sq. ft. of office area, 4/1,000 for the cumulative office area '
from 50,000 to 100,000 sq. ft., and finally 3.5/1,000 for the office developments
above 100,000 sq. ft. total.
3) The subterranean parking for the apartments shall be at minimum ratio of 1.5 ,
stalls /apartment. The remaining 0.5 stalls /apartment can be integrated within
commercial surface parking areas. ,
4) Parking for retail uses shall be based on typical "shopping center" ratio of 5
stalls /1,000 sq. ft. Sectors I and II. This overall "blanket" parking ratio shall ,
cover for all types of commercial retail uses, including restaurants.
5) Due to the character of this neo- traditional development, the majority of the '
parking shall be located to the rear of the structures; this is especially
essential for Sector I. Only "on- street" parking to the front, as shown on Use
and Data Plan. The street parking in front of the shops shall be time- '
restricted, short -term parking.
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G. LANDSCAPE AND SITE FURNISHINGS
1. Landscape Standards
1.1 Street trees shall be of uniform head, 7 feet clear to branching, deciduous
overstory and vertically erect in character, 3' /z" minimum caliper inch at plating.
1.2 Tree grates or curbed edges shall be utilized in open paved areas.
1.3 Window planter boxes and flower pots are encouraged at store fronts.
1.4 Planting areas beneath boulevard and street trees shall have sod or low shrub
plantings (maximum mature height of 24 ").
1.5 Flowering and evergreen shrubs are encouraged to add color at store front
planting areas.
1.6 Ornamental trees in groupings shall be of a similar variety and size (minimum
size at planting 2'/z caliper inch).
1.7 All site development and associated planting which abuts Lake Drive or Main
Street shall follow the landscape and hardscape design established for these
streets to ensure uniformity of village character.
1.8 The use of indigenous plant material is encouraged where development abuts
existing vegetation.
1.9 Plant material selection shall be from the list of plants established for the P.U.D.
1.10 Buffer yard plantings shall follow the recommendations set forth by Ordinance
No. 250 of the City of Chanhassen Code.
1.11 Shrub planting is encouraged in parking lot islands to break up large expanses of
paving.
1.12 Parking area trees shall be non - fruit- bearing; drought tolerant varieties are
encouraged.
1.13 A plant material maintenance schedule and guidelines shall be established as part
of the P.U.D.
1.14 Landscaping installed within the HC -1 district adjacent to Highway 5 shall
conform to the HC -1 standards.
1.15 All wetland areas shall be bound by a buffer area per Section 20 -406 of the
Chanhassen City Code.
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1.16 Parking shall be set back a minimum of 20 feet from any wetland edge.
2. Site Furnishings ,
1.1 Two types of accent paving shall be used to highlight the village center. Accent '
paving 1 shall be used for pedestrian sidewalks and crosswalks. Accent paving 2
shall be used primarily in streets and plazas and shall have the ability to withstand
vehicular traffic. 1
Concrete banding shall typically separate the two paving types.
1.2 Sidewalks not indicated as accent paving shall be broom finish concrete. ,
1.3 Roadways not indicated as accent paving shall be bituminous paving. '
1.4 Accent paving in driving surfaces shall have a textural quality as a traffic calming '
measure.
1.5 Street lighting in areas of accent paving shall be pedestrian scale pole lights, and a ,
maximum height of 18 feet. Fixture type shall be "period" style lighting. Install
fixtures in line with street trees.
1.6 Bollard lighting will not be allowed. '
1.7 Parking lot lighting shall be "shoe box" type fixtures, non - glare, 30 foot 1
maximum height.
1.8 All street furnishings, i.e., benches, trash receptacles, bicycle racks, planters and 1
ash urns, shall be of a uniform style and color.
1.9 Street lighting other than "period" type shall be "shoe box" in pedestrian areas, 1
maximum height 18 feet.
1.10 Accent paving unique to shops are encouraged at building entries. 1
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MEMORANDUM
CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739
TO: Bob Generous, Planner II
FROM: Steve A. Kirchman, Building Official
DATE: June 27, 1996
SUBJECT: 95 -2 PUD, 96 -1 LUP, 96 -5 WAP and 96 -4 VAC (Villages on the Ponds, Lotus Realty
Services)
I was asked to review the site plan proposal stamped "CITY of CHANHASSEN, RECEIVED, JUN
19 19 9 6 , CHANHASSEN PLANNING DEPT. for the above referenced project.
Analysis:
The plans show a number of buildings with exterior walls placed less than 20' from the property line. The
building code, in most cases, requires that openings in walls less than 20' from the property or less than 20'
from the center of a public way be protected. The building code defines a public way as "any street, alley or
similar parcel of land essentially unobstructed from the ground to the sky which is deeded, dedicated or
otherwise permanently appropriated to the public for public use and having a clear width of not less than 10
feet." Private streets and parking lots shown on the proposed development don't comply with this
definition.
If the developer wishes to avoid requirements for protecting openings or requirements for fire- resistive
construction of exterior walls, buildings' should beset back from property lines or the center of public
streets as prescribed in the building codes.
I would like to request that you relay to the developers and designers my desire to meet with them as early
as possible to discuss commercial building permit requirements.
Recommendation:
The following condition should be added to the conditions of approval:
' 1. Meet with Inspections Division to discuss wall and opening protection requirements. This should
be done before preliminary PUD approval.
CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 0 CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739
DATE: July 8, 1996
TO: Sharmin Al -Jaff, Planner II
FROM: Mark Littfin, Fire Marshal
SUBJECT: Request for comprehensive land use plan amendment from office /industrial
institutional, residential medium density residential, low density residential to
mixed use commercial, high density residential, institutional and office;
preliminary planned unit development for up to 307,000 square feet of
commercial /office buildings, 100,000 square feet of institutional buildings, and
322 dwelling units; rezoning of IOP and RSF to PUD, Planned Unit
Development; preliminary plat for 13 lots and 3 outlots and public right -of -way;
wetland alteration permit to fill and excavate wetlands on site; Vacation of right -
of -way and easement; environmental assessment worksheet (EAW) findings;
and indirect source permit review for the Villages on the Ponds project on 66.12
acres located south of Hwy 5 between Great Plains Blvd. and Market Blvd,
Villages on the Ponds, Lotus Realty Services.
Planning Case; 95 -2 PUD, 96 -1 LUP, 96 -5 WET, 96 -4 VAC.
I have reviewed the comprehensive land use plan for the above project. In order to comply with
the Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division I have the following fire code or city
ordinance /policy requirements. Said plan review is based on the available information submitted
at this time. As additional plans or changes are submitted the appropriate code or policy items
will be addressed.
1. Fire hydrants; general comments. Generally fire hydrants are located at major intersections.
Fire hydrant spacing is then at 300 foot intervals. Final hydrant approval will be given when
exact street locations are known and how buildings are positioned on property. I also take
into account where water mains enter into the building , where fire department fire sprinkler
connections are located and where the front door to the building is. All three of these factors
must coincide with each other in order for the Fire Department to maximize their
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Z. Submit turning radiuses of fire�apparatus access roads to City Engineer and Fire Marshal for
review and approval. It would be beneficial for the traffic engineer to meet with the City
Engineer and Fire Marshal to discuss emergency apparatus access routes. This is to- insure
that all buildings are accessible for emergency equipment. '
Villages on the Ponds
July 8, 1996
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3. Fire lanes will be marked with the appropriate street signage and yellow curbing. Fire
Marshal will determine fire lanes upon review of plans and final access routes and at that
point determine exact placement of signs and yellow curbing.
4. The road or driveway access directly east of the existing Lake Drive must have a street name.
The street name must be submitted to the Fire Marshal for review and approval.
5. Premises identification will be reviewed as specific buildings are being proposed.
Chanhassen Fire Department /Fire Prevention Policy 9 29 -1992 will be used as basic criteria
for numbering the buildings. Due to the complexity of this project numbering on more than
one side will be necessary as well as additional monument or directional signage.
Glsafety /mINiIIages
CITY OF
CHANHASSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937 -1900 • FAX (612) 937 -5739
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Mr. Dennis Eiler
SRF Consulting Group, Inc.
One Carlson Parkway North
Suite 150
Minneapolis, MN 55447 -4443
Re: Review of EAW Traffic Impact - Villages on the Pond
Land Use Review File No. 95 -17
Dear Dennis:
Enclosed please find a copy of an EAW for Villages on the Pond prepared by BRW, Inc. dated July 1,
1996. Would you please review the traffic analysis and forecast within the document and let me know
if there are other traffic concerns that may have been overlooked. We are especially concerned with the
proposed full intersections at Market Boulevard and Lake Drive, as well as Great Plains Boulevard and
Lake Drive. We feel that these intersections may be able to function as right -in, right -out only. I
would appreciate your comments back as soon as possible as this item is going forward for preliminary
plat approval on July 17, 1996 at the Planning Commission level and City Council on the August 12,
1996 Council agenda.
Please call me with a cost
additional materials, .pleas
Sincerely,
CITY OF CHANHASSEN
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gate for the services requested herein. If you have any questions or need
not hesitate to contact me.
David C. Hempel
Assistant City Engineer
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Enclosure
C* Charles Folch, Director of Public Works
Kate Aanenson, Planning Director
g:'eng* \vi llage s.eaw
July 9, 1996
June 28, 1996 RECEIVEP
JUL 01 RE� �
' TO: Sharmin AI -Jaff, Planner II, City of Chanhassen CITY OF C -t
FROM: Bill Weckman, Assistant County Engineer
SUBJ: Villages on the Ponds Y
' Planning Case: 95 -2 PUD
We have reviewed the information submitted by your memo dated June 20, 1996 for the
Villages of the Ponds subdivision. The proposed development will not directly impact the
County Road system. The development occurring as part of this proposal does not abut
the County Road right of way. Considerations should be given to the impact of this
development on the existing and proposed TH 101 corridor.
Thank ou for the op to review this proposal.
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Aff rmatii e AcnonlEgtial Opportunity Emplo -'er
Printed on 1090 Port- Consumer Rec��cled Paper
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PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
Carver County Government Center
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Administration
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600 East Fourth Street
Engineering
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COUNTY
Chaska, Minnesota 55318 -2192
Highway Maintenance
surveying & Mapping
Phone(612)361 -1010 Fax(612)361 -1025
June 28, 1996 RECEIVEP
JUL 01 RE� �
' TO: Sharmin AI -Jaff, Planner II, City of Chanhassen CITY OF C -t
FROM: Bill Weckman, Assistant County Engineer
SUBJ: Villages on the Ponds Y
' Planning Case: 95 -2 PUD
We have reviewed the information submitted by your memo dated June 20, 1996 for the
Villages of the Ponds subdivision. The proposed development will not directly impact the
County Road system. The development occurring as part of this proposal does not abut
the County Road right of way. Considerations should be given to the impact of this
development on the existing and proposed TH 101 corridor.
Thank ou for the op to review this proposal.
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Aff rmatii e AcnonlEgtial Opportunity Emplo -'er
Printed on 1090 Port- Consumer Rec��cled Paper
June 26, 1996
Kate Aanenson
Planning Director
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive, PO Box 147
-Chanhassen, MN 55317
RE: Environmental Assessment Worksheet for Villages on the Ponds
Dear Ms. Aanenson:
This letter acknowledges that we have received the EAW for the above - named p roject. We '
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would also like to remind you that according to the Environmental Review Program rules
(at Minnesota Rules, part 4410.1500, item B), your agency is required to notify the public ,
that the EAW is available by submitting a press release to at least one newspaper of general
circulation within the project's area and that you send copies of the EAW to all points on
the EQB distribution list. We presume that these requirements have been met.
Notice of the EAW availability will be published in the EQB Monitor on July 1, 1996. The
30 -day comment period will begin on that day and will expire on July 31, 1996.
Pursuant to Minnesota Rules, part 4410.3 100, subpart 1, no final governmental decision to ,
grant a permit, approve the project, or begin the project may be made until a negative
declaration or EIS adequacy determination has been made.
Please contact me if an questions arise about the Environmental Review
y q process. My
phone number is 1- 800 -657 -3794 or 612 -296 -8253.
Sincerely,
Gregg Downing ✓ '
Environmental Review Coordinator
c: Brad Johnson, Lotus Realty Services
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Revisiting
villages
By Dennis Cassano
Star Tribune Staff Writer
They're building a housing
and commercial development
in Minnetonka that smacks of
new urbanism. _ .
That's not a New Age plot. In
fact, it's a return to the old way
of designing neighborhoods
and communities.
They're thinking about
building another in Chanhas-
sen, one that nuzzles up more
closely to the design principles
of Walt Disney's Celebration
near Orlando, Fla., which some
see not only as a restorative for
community values but as a re-
sponse to sprawl.
While a number of Twin Cit-
Star Tribune Photo by Rita Reed
Above, the four -block Laurel Village area on Hen-
nepin Av. In Minneapolis has the feel of a new ur-
ban village. An architect's drawing, left, look-
ing south from Hwy. 5 shows a possible layout for
a proposed 66 -acre village In Chanhassen that
would combine commercial and residential space.
"Many of us want more options for the suburbs,"
said Nancy Mancino, city planning chairwoman.
How an urban village works
'Unlike typical suburban development that sometimes lacks a sense of
community, the more compact neighborhoods of new urbanism
integrate housing and commerce on a pedestrian scale.
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LOTUS
REALTY SERVICES
INFORMATIONAL OPEN HOUSE
ON
VILLAGES ON THE PONDS
Lotus Realty invites you to an Open House on Tuesday, June 18, 1996, at:
Chanhassen Recreation Center
2310 Coulter Blvd. (Adjacent to Bluff Creek Elementary School)
Chanhassen
4:30 P.i\t. to 9:00 P.M.
We will have displays depicting the plans for the Development of Villages on the Ponds, a
Mixed- Use 'Neotraditional PUD, including:
Sketches of Prototypical Buildings
Sketches of Streetscapes
Proposed Site Plan for Villages on the Ponds
Plans for St. Huberts
Landform Model
Other pertinent plans
Please stop by any time between 4:30 and 9:00 p.m.. Repres sent atives from the development
team, including BRW, Inc., and MAG Architects will be on hand to explain the plans and answer
questions. Should you have any questions in the meantime, please feel free to call us at 934 -4538.
551 WEST 78TH STREET ■ P.O. BOX 235 ■ CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 ■ (612) 934 -4538 ■ FAX (612) 934 -5472
NOTICE OF PUBLIC
HEARING
PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING
Wednesday, July 17, 1996
at 7:00 p.m.
City Hall Council Chambers
690 Coulter Drive
Project:
Villages on the Ponds
Developer:
Location:
Lotus Realty Services
South of Hwy. 5 between Great
Plains Blvd. and Market Blyd.
ial MIND,
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Notice: You are invited to attend a public hearing about a development proposed in your
area. The applicant is requesting a Comprehensive Land use plan amendment from
Office /industrial, Institutional, Residential Medium Density Residential, Low Density Residential
to Mixed Use - Commercial, High Density Residential, Institutional and Office; Preliminary
planned unit development for up to 307,000 sq. ft. of commercial /office buildings, 100,000 sq.
ft. of institutional buildings, and 322 dwelling units; Rezoning from IOP and RSF to PUD,
Planned Unit Development; Preliminary plat for 13 lots and 3 outlots and public right -of -way;
Wetland Alteration Permit to fill and excavate wetlands on site; Vacation of right -of -way and
easements; Environmental Assessment Worksheet (EAW) findings; and Indirect Source Permit
Review for the Villages on the Ponds project on 66.12 acres located south of Hwy. 5 between
Great Plains Blvd. and Market Boulevard, Villages on the Ponds.
What Happens at the Meeting: The purpose of this public hearing is to inform you about
the developer's request and to obtain input from the neighborhood about this project. During the
meeting, the Commission Chair will lead the public hearing through the following steps:
1
Questions or Comments: If you want to see the plans before the meeting, please stop by City
Hall during office hours, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday. If you wish to talk to
someone about this project, please contact Bob at 937 -1900, ext. 141. If you choose to submit
written comments, it is helpful to have one copy to the department in advance of the meeting.
Staff will provide copies to the Commission.
1 hanhassen Inn B. C. Burdick
531 West 79th Street 684 Excelsior Blvd.
I hanhassen, MN 55317 Excelsior, MN 55331
& Carol Udstuen
Peter & Mary Staudohar Knoll
Bisrat & Denise Alemayehu
Steven Kokesh & Nancy Ecoff
Albert & Jean Sinnen
Richard & Linda Anderson
" 2 01 Grandview Road
8150 Grandview Road
8210 Grandview Road
hanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
t ary
Mary Larsen
Robert W. Armstrong, Jr.
S. Bernier
Greg &
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Chanhasseni, MN 55317
Grandview Road, Box 157
8151 Grandview Road
8400 Great Plains Blvd.
11 155
hanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Marsh Drive
8113 Marsh Drive
8123 Marsh Drive
I mes & Kathryn Jacoby
R. Lawrence & T. Harris
Mark & Lori Jesberg
8410 Great Plains Blvd.
8408 Great Plains Blvd.
8407 Great Plains Blvd.
C hanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
drew Freseth &
Milton Bathke
Willis & Anita Klein
ynda Williamson
8404 Great Plains Blvd.
8405 Great Plains Blvd.
8411 Great Plains Blvd.
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
1 hanhassen, MN 55317
eorge, Jr. & Margaret Shorba
Donald & Dorothy Gale
Rosemount, Inc.
04 Chan View
8402 Great Plains Blvd.
Attn: Controller
'Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
12001 Technology Drive
I Eden
Prairie, MN 55317
Robert Dittrich
Holiday Station Stores
Thaddeus Korzenowski
27 Crestview Drive
4567 80th Street West
20645 Radisson Road
ew Ulm, MN 56073
Bloomington, MN 55437
Excelsior, MN 55331 -9181
1 hanhassen Inn B. C. Burdick
531 West 79th Street 684 Excelsior Blvd.
I hanhassen, MN 55317 Excelsior, MN 55331
& Carol Udstuen
Peter & Mary Staudohar Knoll
Bisrat & Denise Alemayehu
t 6 mes
0 Hidden Lane
370 Hidden Lane
380 Hidden Lane
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
illiam & Debra Prigge
Andrew & Jeannine Cone
Brian Semke & Deborah Duetsch
90 Hidden Lane
321 Hidden Lane
331 Hidden Lane
1hanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhasseni, MN 55317
Randy & Kimbra Green
Michael & Prudence Busch
Mark & Alexandra Lepage
Marsh Drive
8113 Marsh Drive
8123 Marsh Drive
W 103
hanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Jason White Blue Circle Investment Chanhassen NH Partnership
8139 Dakota Lane 6125 Blue Circle Drive 900 2nd Ave. S.
Chanhassen, MN 55317 Minnetonka, MN 55343 1100 International Ctr.
Minneapolis, MN 55402 r
Arthur & Jo Ann Mulligan David & Sharon Nickolay
8501 Tigua Lane 8500 Tigua Lane Apple American Ltd. Partnership j
Chanhassen, MN 55317 Chanhassen, MN 55317 4551 W. 100 Street, Suite 100
Overland Park, Kansas
r
Tom -Don Real Estate Holdings
701 Lady Bird Lane '
Burnsville, MN 55337
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Lon & Mary Stutelberg
Robert & Lois Savard
Jay S. Anders
8133 Marsh Drive
8080 Marsh Drive
8090 Marsh Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Martin & Timaree Fajdetich
Yagui Wei & YuYi Lin
David & Karli Wandling
8100 Marsh Drive
8110 Marsh Drive
8120 Marsh Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
,
Paul & Rita Klauda
Walt & Pamela Chapman
Bruce & Cynthia Marengo
'
8130 Marsh Drive
8140 Marsh Drive
8150 Marsh Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
r
Steven & Julie Lundeen
Gary & Debra Disch
Eric Johnson & Molly Surbrook
8160 Marsh Drive
8170 Marsh Drive
320 Sinnen Circle
'
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
r
Randal & J Meyer
Richard, Jr. & Patricia Hamblin
Mark & Sharon Nicpon
330 Sinnen Circle
340 Sinnen Circle
341 Sinnen Circle
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Thomas & Jill Hansen
Mike & Mary Regnier
Robert Langley & Laurie Soper
331 Sinnen Circle
Chanhassen, MN 55317
321 Sinnen Circle
Chanhassen, MN 55317
8134 Dakota Lane
Chanhassen, MN 55317
'
Hugh Faulds & Karyn Knutson
Thomas & Rita Mohs
John & Brenda Lund
'
8136 Dakota Lane
8138 Dakota Lane
8140 Dakota Lane
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Chanhassen, MN 55317
'
Jason White Blue Circle Investment Chanhassen NH Partnership
8139 Dakota Lane 6125 Blue Circle Drive 900 2nd Ave. S.
Chanhassen, MN 55317 Minnetonka, MN 55343 1100 International Ctr.
Minneapolis, MN 55402 r
Arthur & Jo Ann Mulligan David & Sharon Nickolay
8501 Tigua Lane 8500 Tigua Lane Apple American Ltd. Partnership j
Chanhassen, MN 55317 Chanhassen, MN 55317 4551 W. 100 Street, Suite 100
Overland Park, Kansas
r
Tom -Don Real Estate Holdings
701 Lady Bird Lane '
Burnsville, MN 55337
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Metropolitan Council
Working for the Region, Planning for the FYture
July 15, 1996
Mr. Robert Generous
City of Chanhassen
P.O. Box 147
Chanhassen, MN 55317.
RE: Regional Transit Capital Funds Applications -
Competitive Selection of Awards for the year 1996
Dear Mr. Robert Generous:
RECEIVED
JUL 17 RECD
CITY OF CHANHASSEi 4
The selection process for the above project has been completed by the Metropolitan
Council. The following are results relating to application(s) submitted by your
organization:
Project Name:
Lake Drive East
Regional Dollars
Requested:
$190,000
Final Results:
funded
Competitive selection of applications for funding was based on the recommendations of
the Regional Transit Capital Evaluation Committee and subsequent approval by the
Metropolitan Council. As the resources available for funding regional transit capital
improvements have been very limited, it was not possible to fund all application
requests. We hope that during the 1997 legislative session additional funding resources
will be made available allowing us to solicit applications for this competitive selection
process next year as well. We thank you for participating in the process and hope you
- would avail of the oppormnity to seek funds through this process next year. Ali
applicants are invited to attend a debriefing session at the Mears Park office of
Metropolitan Council on Monday, July 29,1996 at Room 2A between 2:00 p.m. and 3:30
p.m to discuss respective grant agreements, funding schedules etc. If you have questions,
please call me at 229 -2722 or V.R. Sridhar at 229 -2756.
Sincerely,
Mark W. Fuhrmann,
Evaluation/lmplementation Manager,
Office of Transportation and "Transit Development
230 East Fifth Street St. Paul, Minnesota 55101 -1634 (612) 291 -6359 Fax 291 -6550 TDD /TTY 291 -0904 Metro Info Line 229 -3780
An Equal Opportunity Employer
CODE: OFFICE - 4.5/1000 sq. ft., Retail - 1/200 sq. ft., Hotel - 1 /room + 1 /employee '
Apts /Condos - 2.25 /unit, NB - Restaurants would require 1/50 sq. ft. for full bar
PUD: Office - 4.5 for 1 st 50,000 sq. ft., 4 for 2nd 50,000 sq. ft., and 3.5 therafter
'
Retail - 1/200 sq. ft., Apts. - 1.5 /unit, Condos - 2 /unit, Church /school assumes
a minimum of half the parking is shared.
VILLAGES ON THE PONDS
PARKING ANALYSIS
07/23/96
BLOCK LOT PROVIDED
PUD
1 1 244
148
US
OFFICE /SERVICE
SO. FT .
116,500
PER CODE
524
P
631
PUD
483
RETAIL
127,300
637
636
637
HOTEL
47,200
110
110
110
APTS. (154)
162,000
347
272
231
'
CONDOS (112)
168,000
252
224
224
CHURCH /SCHOOL
100,000
614
307
307
TOTAL
721,000
2,483
2,180
1,991
CODE: OFFICE - 4.5/1000 sq. ft., Retail - 1/200 sq. ft., Hotel - 1 /room + 1 /employee '
Apts /Condos - 2.25 /unit, NB - Restaurants would require 1/50 sq. ft. for full bar
PUD: Office - 4.5 for 1 st 50,000 sq. ft., 4 for 2nd 50,000 sq. ft., and 3.5 therafter
'
Retail - 1/200 sq. ft., Apts. - 1.5 /unit, Condos - 2 /unit, Church /school assumes
a minimum of half the parking is shared.
BLOCK LOT PROVIDED
PUD
1 1 244
148
2 125
90
'
3 317
317
4 198
158
5 96
140
6 360
265
7 142
93
8 41
68
'
9 307
307
10 75
60
11 0
22
2 1 144
120
2 224
224
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' Note - July 24, 1996
Park and Recreation Commission motion of July 23, 1996 concerning the Villages on the Ponds
Planned Unit Development.
Commissioner Lash made the following motion; I move that we recommend to the City Council
that the application be approved as presented with certain conditions regarding parks and
' recreation:
1. The south Rice Marsh Lake Trail connection be identified on the plan.
2. If the trail along TH 101 south of Rosemount is disturbed during construction, an agreement
for replacement be coordinated with the applicant.
3. There be a joint agreement for future use of the soccer field between the community and St.
Hubert's Church.
4. Full park and trail fees be collected per city ordinance.
t The motion was seconded by Commissioner Scott and passed 4 to 1, with Commissioner Berg
voting against for the following reasons:
1. St. Hubert's Church will not need the soccer field as much as we are led to believe.
2. The soccer field will be of no significant value to the local soccer associations.
3. The soccer field in itself does not represent a neighborhood park.
4. The construction of the soccer field will result in significant disruption to one of the few
remaining natural areas on the Villages on the Pond site.
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ARCHITECTURE EDEN PRAIRIE, MN 55344
IL GROUP (612) 944 -6242 - FAX (612) 942 -7496
VILLAGES ON THE PONDS
PUD Submittal Dated 6/19/96 1
TRADITIONAL VILLAGE CHARACTER
-- Description -- I
"The intent is to create a pedestrian friendly development with a
traditional village character and atmosphere, yet with the amenities
and technological tools of modern times."
-- Excerpt, Architectural Standards --
The design of this development is to a great extent based on "new urbanizam" principles.
Hence, the term "traditional' character is used here and relates both to the Village's overall ,
master plan concept, and to the architectural design of individual buildings.
A. Site Master Plan Concept
Traditional early 20th century American towns as well as numerous examples of old
European cities have served as an inspiration for creation of the Village's neighborhood
concept. Even though this development is comparably far smaller in size and incorporates
a number of quite modern features, it attempts to assimilate all major positive characteris-
tics of traditional towns, such as the following:
• Mix of Uses Both horizontal and vertical mix of a multitude of uses within short,
comfortable walking distance, allows people to live, work, shop, eat, and accomplish '
many daily activities at the same place, thus reducing the dependency on the car.
• Public Realm The buildings are used to form the streets, plazas and other defined '
public-spaces-for. circulation and social activities. _ The quality of these public realms -
creat�,the,sense of community and neighborhood identity.
,
• Circulation Pedestrians, cars and bicycles share the streets on equal bads. "Street -
calming" techniques are used to slow -down and reduce car traffic through the Village
core area which, along with street parking, makes it pedestrian - friendly. Also, just '
as in traditional towns, there is a public transit, a bus stop station at the Village
Square. This allows reduced use of cars, benefitting all people, and especially '
children, the elderly, and physically impaired.
ARCHITECTURE - PLANNING - INTERIORS - CONSULTING I
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I B. Architectural Design
"Traditional character," as applied to the Village's architecture, does not mean that the
architectural styles of the past need to be precisely copied. The individual buildings will
reflect modern times in building technology, materials and aesthetics. They will also fulfill
' functional requirements of modern shopping, work, and living environment. However, each
building will contribute towards the creation of an overall traditional character and
atmosphere of the Village. Among others, this shall be achieved by following the
architectural design principles that led to the creation of all beautiful, traditional villages
and towns that are admired, both in the United States and Europe.
1. "Fabric" Buildings
The building design shall not be guided with the usual desire for excessive self - expression,
which does not form, but "consumes" the space. Each building shall be designed according
to Village's plan and Design Standards, thus contributing to the creation of the public realm
and a coherent neighborhood. These so- called "fabric" buildings must conform to all street
rules and must be consistent with and complimentary to all other buildings. Similar building
height, geometry and the dense placement along the streetline, along with the designer's
' respect for the adjacent buildings and the street as the whole, form the basis for a
harmonious streetscape and vernacular.
' However, while the building designs subordinate to overall street - forming principles, the
individual expressions and interesting variations among the buildings are encouraged.
Varied and articulated facades provide visual qualities and are conducive to pedestrian
' activity. (For that reason, just like in older traditional towns, we hope that the Villages will
be built in smaller increments, thus allowing several architects to participate in its creation.)
Yet, as it can be observed at all great streets in the world, the architecture is relatively
' simple and uniform, serving more as a background stage for the street life.
Following these examples, the architects should be more focused on the street level design
' and use their talents to form a lively pedestrian environment rather than designing building
"monuments," as we see them all around us in the suburbs.
' 2. Time - Tested Architecture
While the design of individual buildings may be quite contemporary in nature, it should
' reflect the architectural tradition and climate of this region. It can be also inspired with
European "fabric" architecture and old city -core pedestrian environments.
' Local Sources The architecture may be reminiscent, or use some elements typical
for traditional American, Midwest vernacular architecture for commercial, _residential,
warehouse and other uses. Another source may be the architecture examples of early
English, Swedish, German and other settlers in rural Minnesota, and thriving towns during
Minnesota's first half century. Quite inspiring is also the farm architecture, with a multitude
' of barn and silo forms, roofs and colors.
However, in no case shall the architecture lead to the "phony," cheap expression of a Disney
Land "Main- Street," or a virtual copy of the old time architecture. The main goal is to
create a pleasant and coherent, highly pedestrian - oriented "streetscape" that has the space
uali of the traditional village. While the building architecture of traditional flavor, well -
proportioned and familiar to our eyes, helps create that space quality, the "secondary"
elements may be even more important. The warm building materials, interesting and varied '
storefronts, cafe terraces, awnings, signage, urban furniture, enhanced pavers, passages,
courtyards and plazas, landscape and lighting, all can greatly contribute towards such space
quality without any need to go into imitation of past historical styles.
European Sources As always, the time- tested traditional European architecture can
be also another source of inspiration and contemporary interpretation. Not only in terms
of regional "styles" (Bavarian, Holland, Italian hill- towns, etc.), but even more so in regard
to their experience in successful reuse and transformation of the old city cores for the
requirements of modern shopping and shared, pedestrian- oriented streets. Even though the
"fabric" architecture of the upper floors is often relatively simple and with only light
variations, due to a multitude of ground -level activities, urban furniture and other features, '
many of these streets are fabulous and can inspire architects in creating the spaces for the
Villages.
Notes
1. Aside from the above clarifications regarding "traditional character" of the Villages,
the architects must draw upon their own experience, possibly travel and further study '
of successful examples of traditional "village" architecture. The review and reading
of "New Urbanism" literature is also highly recommended.
2. The attached pictures may help further visually clarify the above descriptions. They '
should be taken only as possible examples for inspiration but are, of course, limited
only to the photos that we have available in our files at this time. '
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4. The applicant review the recommendations of the Bluff Creek Watershed steering
' committee and incorporate the recommended improvements into this plan. Specifically,
determine the best location for the proposed wildlife corridor.
' All voted in favor and the motion canied.
PUBLIC HEARING:
' COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM OFFICE/INDUSTRIAL,
INSTITUTIONAL, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSTTY RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSTTY
RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE - COMMERCIAL, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL,
' INSTITUTIONAL AND OFFICE; PRELIMINARY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR
UP TO 307,000 SO. FT. OF COMMERCIAIJOFFICE BUILDINGS, 100,000 SO. FT. OF
' INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS, AND 322 DWELLING UNTTS; REZONING FROM IOP
AND RSF TO PUD, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT; PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 13
LOTS AND 3 OUTLOTS AND PUBLIC RIGHT -OF -WAY; WETLAND ALTERATION
PERMIT TO FILL AND EXCAVATE WETLANDS ON SITE; VACATION OF RIGHT -OF-
WAY AND EASEMENTS; ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WORKSHEET (EAW)
FINDINGS; AND INDIRECT SOURCE PERMIT REVIEW FOR THE VILLAGES ON THE
' PONDS PROJECT ON 66.12 ACRES LOCATED SOUTH OF HWY 5 BETWEEN GREAT
PLAINS BLVD. AND MARKET BOULEVARD, VILLAGES ON THE PONDS. LOTUS
REALTY SERVICES.
' Public Pirsent:
I Name
Address
8155 Grandview Road
8100 Marsh Drive
8400 Great Plains Blvd.
340 Sinnen Circle
8210 Grandview Road
8500 Tigua Circle
8408 Great Plains Blvd.
8151 Grandview Road
13941 Vinewood Lane
8019 Dakota Avenue
8080 Marsh
226 Summit Avenue, St. Paul
Bob Generous presented the staff repoit on this item.
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Mary Bernier
Martin Fajdetich
Roberta & Bob Armstrong
Dick & Pat Hamblin
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Linda Anderson
Dave Nickolay
Tammy Harris
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Gregory Larsen
John Seibert
Clark Cummings
Bob Savard
Austin Ward
Address
8155 Grandview Road
8100 Marsh Drive
8400 Great Plains Blvd.
340 Sinnen Circle
8210 Grandview Road
8500 Tigua Circle
8408 Great Plains Blvd.
8151 Grandview Road
13941 Vinewood Lane
8019 Dakota Avenue
8080 Marsh
226 Summit Avenue, St. Paul
Bob Generous presented the staff repoit on this item.
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Joyce: Is that because you have a perspective retail user that you increased this or is this
just? I'm sorry, am I interrupting here?
Aanenson: No, no. That's a good point of discussion. We spent a lot of time on this. We're
doing something that's very different and we're concerned about that, in order to make it a
village you have to have components that people want to live there. What staffs original
proposal was that we really have the residential component with it. In order to make it
exciting for the residential component we really felt we needed to have services that are
convenient for residential. Whether it's a dry cleaners, a bakery, those sort of things. So
we're concerned that if the market says we're going to put all big boxes in there, does that
entice people to live there with something that closes down at 9:00 or 10:00 or something like
that. So what we want to encourage, is that we really have a mix. If you remember when
the applicant originally came in they were showing pictures... sort of exciting, kind of small
specialty type shops. While we don't want to discourage some of the larger, maybe a larger,
a use that may have different, some different departments or components within it. We want
to make sure we've got what looks like smaller shops, if it's a bigger user, but we also want
to make sure that there's a variety of the mix of enough units that it is an exciting place. A
village concept. So really to be true to the village concept, we're concerned about it and I'm
not sure that this is exactly where we want it but we're trying. This is where we spent a lot
of time with the applicants trying to get some better definition here. To really make it a
village, how do you accomplish that?
Joyce: So I can visualize this, how big is Target compared to this? I mean how many
20,000 square foot buildings can you put in Target? Can you put 3 or 4 or something like
that?
Aanenson: Sure.
Joyce: Okay. That's what I'm thinking. So it's 20,000 feet is not huge?
Aanenson: Right. I think the applicants agree that that was a reasonable number that we
kind of compromised on that as a number but I guess we were concerned about some other
larger discount sort of thing that may want to be there. And we're not saying that's
necessarily bad. We want to make sure though that we've got the right mix. If it's all large
discount, then we haven't got the right mix to make it a village.
Mancino: Well and it also, per the City Council conditions from December 5, 1995 ,it says,
25. No big box users shall be permitted within the development. Very cut and clear as a
condition. Okay.
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Bob Generous continued with his staff mpoit
' Mancino: Bob, so what you're saying is, of the 322 residential units, there are a total of 322
proposed. 50% of those, or 161 would be rental units. Out of the 161 rental units, 35 %, or
' 56 of those units would be affordable. 50% would be owner occupied or 161 units. And 80
units of those would be affordable, within the whole complex.
' Generous: Correct.
Audience: Can you define affordable?
' Mancino: Well, we'll wait until we get further on in this process. Thank you, we will.
' Bob Generous continued with his staff nepo►t
' Mancino: I think that we are going to have questions and comments as we go through the
presentation by the applicant, and we will do that in stages. And then you'll be able to hear
our questions and comments and then we'll open it up for a public hearing. Can you take one
' minute Bob though to tell us what affordable housing is from, the owner occupied housing is
$115,000.00.
' Generous: Based on 1995 dollars and that's established by the Metropolitan Council.
Mancino: So when you say based on 1995 dollars, that means with inflation it goes up.
Generous: We believe so, yes.
' Mancino: Every year it's indexed to the.
Generous: We don't know exactly what they're indexing it to. We'll get that from them.
' Mancino: Okay. So it is housing that is priced at $115,000.00 or lower. If it is a rental,
affordable housing, it is $650.00?
Generous: $625.00.
Mancino: $625.00 for a one room apartment. I mean one bedroom apartment.
Generous: It's silent on that. It just says a dwelling unit.
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Mancino: It just says what?
Generous: Per dwelling unit. ,
Mancino: Per dwelling unit. $625.00. ,
Generous: So I imagine an efficiency would meet that. A one bedroom. Potentially a two
bedroom. 1
Mancino: Thank you. Does the applicant wish to address? Before we do that, I'm sorry. ,
Excuse me. There's one other thing I'd like to do first and that is, I'd like to have Dave
Hempel get up and talk a little bit about the road on the east side. What's going to happen to
Grandview Road and Great Plains Boulevard, and utilities and how that is going to affect the ,
residential property to the east. The existing.
Hempel: Thank you Madam Chair. Planning Commissioners. I'd like to show the audience I
guess the existing configuration of Grandview Road in relationship to the existing conditions
out there. Grandview Road is a private road. It's gravel. Gravel street and the shaded...
Mancino: Can you show us where that is? Where are we looking? ,
Hempel: It's approximately in this alignment. It serves I believe 6 or 8 residential homes in
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the area. The area does have future capabilities to further subdivide once sewer and water is
provided. The area for the most part is on well and septic. There are a couple residents I
believe on the city sewer and water at this time and the adjacent development to the east, the
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Hidden Valley. What I'll do is overlay the proposed development on top of that to give you
some sense of how it fits with the existing neighborhood. Lake Drive East is on the east side
here there will be a full intersection with eventually a couple of stop signs for traffic control.
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The intent to service Grandview in the future is through a public street which would deadend
at the property line in this location here. We worked with the applicant to reduce this cul -de-
sac parameter down to a 25 foot radius to minimize disruptions in the area because eventually
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this street will become, most likely a public street in this area here when further subdivision
occurs. We're also looking at it as a secondary emergency access to the southern part of the
Grandview neighborhood to St. Hubert's Church parking lot. That is emergency access only.
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Utility service to service the Grandview neighborhood is in two areas. What I'll call the
northern part of Grandview and the southern part of Grandview. What delineates it is a high
ridge or an elevation change which requires the sewer to be serviced from the south,, to take
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the southern part of the neighborhood and a sewer line from the north to provide service to
the northerly part. With this development they will be extending sewer and water to
the easterly line the development for further into the Grandview
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neighborhood. When the neighborhood wishes to have that extended, it would require a
' petition to the city requesting a utility extension to the neighborhood, at which time a
feasibility study would be conducted which would generate project costs, preliminary
assessment rolls, etc.
' Mancino: Now does everybody have to? Is it a majority? Let's say one house wants to
hook up to sewer and water. Can they petition and get that or does it need to be a majority
' of the homeowners?
Hempel: It does need to be a majority of the property owners. The benefitting property
' owners. It is up to City Council to review any petition and decide whether or not there is
ample percentage of property owners to warrant the project.
' Mancino: Okay. So we already have some there that are hooked up, and some aren't. Some
have their own septic and well.
' Hempel: That's correct.
Mancino: Does the gravel road remain so that all we're going to do is be upgrading the Great
' Plains and then the little turn around? Or is the whole.
' Hempel: The part of the street which would be upgraded with this development to city
standards with the blacktop, curb and gutter and storm sewer infrastructures, would be what
I'll call Lake Drive. They have listed Lake Drive and then this part of what I'll call
' Grandview. The remaining, the access here would then be converted over to this location
here.
I Mancino: Do the property owners, are they assessed for any of this?
Hempel: There's no assessments for these improvements in conjunction with this project.
' Mancino: Thank you.
' Hempel: Bob made a good point I guess. There is, with the existing Hidden Valley
subdivision, a sewer and water line was extended at the end of Dakota with the intent of
extending up into the Grandview neighborhood. Reviewing the topographic, and vegetation in
' the area, there's a ravine that comes down in this location here that would be impacted by
extending sewer and water up into that area and that's why staff came up with an alternative
alignment for the sanitary sewer to service the neighborhood. Around the back side of St.
' Hubert's School. This area here is already all being graded and leveled off so there would be
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no further vegetation lost. It would require additional, approximately 200 feet of sewer line
to be installed to make that alternative work.
Mancino: Thank you. Does the applicant wish to address the Planning Commission at this
time please.
Brad Johnson: Sure. Madam Chairman, members of the Planning Commission, my name is
Brad Johnson with Lotus Realty. We represent the owners of the property, the Ward family
and here this evening are Bill Ward and Austin Ward—so they are here to probably more
listen. As part of the presentation this evening, we'll have a number of different people
participating in the presentation. Most of which you have met but I'd like to introduce. The
presenter will be Vernelle Clayton. Mika Milo who is on the architectural side. Dean Olson
and possibly Beth Kunkel coming from the site side. The environmental. In addition to that,
we have representatives of St. Hubert's Church here and the AmericInn which was proposing
both which will come and follow us with a site plan and building reviews ... but down the line
and they of course can answer any questions you may have specifically about the site plans
that... This evening I'd just like to make some brief comments ... and then finally, we have
some I guess concerns about the staff report. I think we're doing pretty good. I think it's
around 50. We may have ... general comments about that but we're concerned how it's
development and Vernelle will summarize those, and everybody else's comments. One of the
things that this project has probably been one of the most thought out that we've been
involved in. We've done a couple other projects in the community that primarily have been
done with the HRA, not with the Planning Commission. We've also had an enormous amount
of neighborhood input. Staff input. I think we've taken to heart things that the City Council
recommended and I want to read something from Steve Covey because you know, with all the
turmoil we go through in this redevelopment business, we all have visions and everybody's
vision isn't always the same thing. It's kind of a difficult problem to fit it all together and I
think we can actually work in that process so I'm going to read this with the idea that it just
kind of says where we're at ... doing a good job of it, to my way of thinking ... the only
difference is, the essence of synergy, the mental and emotional and psychological difference
is between the people, and the key to ... those differences is to realize that all people see the
world not as it is, but as they are. In other words, each of us looks at it differently. And
each of us, each person has their own input and the key to probably development and
anything like this is to listen to the differences and combine all those differences and in fact
you may come up with a good project. If all of us never listened to somebody else, then in
fact we may end up with what we think is right and not necessarily what is right. I think
that's the essence of what he's trying to say and I think, I had a number of meetings,with the
neighbors. Had a number of meetings with the various community groups and I really want
to compliment everybody on what we've been trying to accomplish. We've been trying to
translate this vision not into the vision of the Ward's or the vision of the—vision of just the
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city, but the vision of a group of people that have been working on that towards that end.
' The project has about 7 or 8 key components that we've all addressed periodically. One is
that the retail will support the existing downtown retail. Number two is that we're trying to
preserve the site characteristics as much as possible. That was the trees, slopes, and the
wetlands. We want to provide a suitable buffer between the residential development to the
east and this particular development. We want to discourage traffic out of this project onto
East Lake Drive. That was one of the big concerns that the neighbors have had is ... do our
' site plan to eliminate that. Provide affordable housing components. One of the pressures put
on the City and a lot of the businesses here is that we don't have affordable housing in
Chanhassen. It's one of the things we took upon ourselves to see if we could actually do that.
We've done it very creatively. Whether it's financable, we'll find out but we've already put in
here some concepts that are far reaching. One of the things that we've tried to do is
incorporate St. Hubert's Church and school into the community. We've tried to take a project
' that potentially could have used up 80 acres, or 30 acres of the community's land and build
expensive things and... and place them on 7 and 10 acres. Sort of downtown area. Once
again what's found. I think we've done a good job on that thanks to everybody. We didn't
want to have any big box users. To me a big box is 40,000 to 50,000 square feet and we
have a lot ... And finally, we're mass transit friendly that would include mass transit in this
' project and we could have as many as 100 buses a day coming through here—but this would
be a major hub for the community and it's all the things that I think that we've added and put
into the project. I'd like then to have Dale come up front and go through his group of...
' Vernelle Clayton: Actually it's Dean. Hi. My name's Vernelle Clayton. As you know I'm
with Lotus and for your convenience, to be clear to follow along ... a list of the items that we
' have with us and those that are going to be shown to...
Mancino: Vernelle, do you happen to have enough copies for the public to see? Or a couple
' to hand out. We can share up here.
Aanenson: Dave's going to run some more.
Mancino: Okay. Dave will be running some off so that you'll get a copy. So on our list is
first order of presentation is that BRW is going to show the existing conditions as they exist
' today. Number one. And then two, go into site physiography. And three, tree canopy. If
you could pass those out. Thank you Dave.
Dean Olson: Your Honor, members of the Planning Commission. My name is Dean Olson.
I'm with BRW. I'm a planner and we have been retained by Lotus Realty to do the
environmental and engineering aspects of the project. As Brad mentioned earlier, Beth
' Kunkel is with me who's a wetland specialist with our firm and she can answer any specific
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questions regarding wetlands. First I'll go over the existing conditions for the site. North on
the plan is here. This is Highway 5. This is Highway 101 which cuts through the site. The
blue outline that you see here represents the proposed alignment for TH 101, which of all our
plans which you'll see in the future here take into account that new alignment for TH 101 so.
You can see how that cuts through this marsh area in the southern portion of the site as a
temporary alignment. Also running through the site is Great Plains Boulevard which ties in
down at this... Adjacent to the property on the west side is the Rosemount facility which is
zoned industrial and then also the residential area to the east over here and small commercial
area which has the VFW and I believe a gas station in this corner. This is Lake Susan in this
corner and Rice Marsh here. The grayish blue areas represent existing wetland areas on the
site. A major one being adjacent to Highway 5 here. Another one in the center of the site
and several others at the periphery portions of the site. Small one on the west side of
Highway 101 and then of course the larger buffered area which is associated with Rice Marsh
Lake down here. We do have also one wetland that exists up here in this corner of the site as
well. The existing trail system that the city has runs along the west side of TH 101 and ties
into the trail system that runs parallel to both Rice Marsh and Lake Susan down here. And
also the larger green areas represent canopy cover on the site as it pre- exists current today.
Next, talk about the site physiography. Again, north is to my side of this plan. Both Rice
Marsh and Lake Susan are on the south ... site. Bob mentioned earlier that there's an existing
ridge that runs through the site. That ridge is approximately at this location here and that
ridge elevation is generally at an elevation of about 961. The grade from there drops to the
north slightly into this darker green area which is at an elevation of about 950. And then it
also falls to the south pretty continuously across the site, with the exception of a fairly level
area in this portion and a couple high points here and here. This one being at about 949 or
950 and 943 here. By the time we get to this portion of the site, we're down into an
elevation about 30 feet lower than the ridge line here. At about 930 in here and then all the
way down to approximately an elevation of 900 here and down to finally 880 for the lower
marsh area associated down here. The knoll that Bob was talking about earlier is at this point
and that's an elevation of about 905, which puts it at approximately 25 feet at it's highest
point higher than the surrounding marsh area. Also, a significant high point or the highest
point on the site actually is on this eastern edge, which is adjacent to the residential area.
That high point is at about 970, 971 at it's highest point. And it again falls to either side.
Next I'd like to show you some of the existing tree canopy cover on the site, and if I could
put this one. Do you have any questions of the first set of boards?
Mancino:. Excuse me Dean, are,you going to go into the, what's going to happen to the new
TH 101. Where the existing trail on the east and west side meet. I mean is it going to go
under the new TH 101 or what's going to happen to the existing trail that right now...
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Dean Olson: Right now, it's my understanding that the city is proposing a connection beneath
TH 101. I don't know at this time because the engineering documents for this portion of TH
101 are not complete. It's a little bit unclear at this time exactly how that trail connection
will happen, as well as how this portion of TH 101 will traverse this lower portion of the site
down there. So that is something that we are waiting to see.
Mancino: So you will have to wait before any final approvals are given to see what's
happening with TH 101 in that area?
Dean Olson: Yes. There are some issues that need to be resolved regarding TH 101...
Mancino: Okay, thank you. Any other questions?
Dean Olson: I might as well keep working with the board on my side. Again, Highway 5 is
here. TH 101 runs through here. The wider portion is the improved portion of TH 101 to
this point and then the old alignment is here. This edge of the tree canopy here really
represents the western most edge of the realignment of TH 101 as it would come through this
area so that realignment will cut through this canopy area here and that knoll that you were
talking about just earlier somewhere in this location. We do have a tree survey which was
done as a part of our work on the project. It does identify approximately 460 existing trees
that are 12 inch in caliper or larger, regardless of what species the trees are. And you have
that I believe... What this represents is an aerial photograph which we took from a 1994 fly
over by the Department of Natural Resources. And per the City's requirements, we used this
to determine the amount of existing canopy cover on the site. And the white line, if you can
see it on the camera, around the outer edges, represents the property line. Approximately
property line and the new residential area just to the east of the site. The Rosemount property
here. That existing ridge line that we talked about ... is really this portion in here and you can
see that it does not have very much vegetation. Most of the vegetation is concentrated around
the wetland area here. Also some pockets associated with wetland over in this area. And
then really the greater concentration of the canopy cover is on the southern portion of the site.
What each of these figures represents are percentages of canopy cover in those various areas.
We determined through looking at shadow lines for the trees, and then also the city's
requirement is that we take into consideration both sapling trees, which could potentially grow
to approximately a 20 foot canopy tree, as well as mature trees on the site. We made these
determinations in terms of amount of canopy cover so. We do have areas which we
determined to be 100 %, basically here, here, in this area, in here and then again down on the
southern portion of the site. This being the least amount of canopy cover at 5 %. In working
through the calculations for tree preservation we came up with approximately 26 acres of
existing canopy cover, which is about 42°/o- of the site. And that again does include both the
saplings and the overstory, existing overstory trees. As I mentioned earlier, the tree survey
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identified 12 inch caliper trees and larger. Of those there were a total of 464 trees. After
looking at the tree preservation requirements, in working through the calculations, it was
determined that 10.4 acres of canopy cover must remain on the site as a part of this
development. Our project... canopy cover preserved and remain on the site. Again as Bob
said, the majority of that will be the southern portion of the site from the ridge line south. ,
The distance between the 10.4 and the 6.1 requires that we provide 226 trees on site to make
up for the loss of..
Mancino: How man are you proposing? '
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Dean Olson: Total trees? I haven't honestly taken a count but... 150 or so. And also being '
considered... I'd like to next talk about the site constraints. Here is sort of a synopsis of how
the city's zoning requirements affect this site. Again, Highway 5 is here. TH 101 is as it ,
runs through the site. This is the proposed alignment for TH 101 that you're seeing here.
The existing alignment is over in this area. There's a number of things that affect the site, in
terms of the zoning. First off a shoreland ordinance which affects the setbacks from Rice '
Marsh Lake as well as Lake Susan and those differ because Rice Marsh Lake is a naturalized
lake versus a recreational lake for Lake Susan up here. Lake Susan requires that we provide
a 75 foot setback for both buildings and parking. And going around Rice Marsh Lake, we ,
need to provide 150 foot setback for both... Those setback lines are determined by the high
water level for both of those lakes. This also affects the impervious surface, and this red line
here represents the shoreland zone from the lakes into the site in both cases. That is 1,000 '
foot distance from both those high water marks. Impervious surface on the site in essence
switches... medium and high density residential even though the maximum of 35% of
impervious surface on the site. Within that shoreland itself and 25% if it's a commercial type '
of development within the shoreland boundary. Also along Highway 101 we're required to
have a 50 foot setback on either side of the right -of -way line. Also the green areas that you
see here, both along Highway 101 and along this edge of the site are the required areas for '
buffer zones for the city ordinance. We've already talked with Mr. and Mrs. Savard who live
adjacent to the site actually in this location. We've talked with Mrs. Anderson who lives
down in this area adjacent to the proposed location of the church and school. And have heard ,
their concerns regarding their desires for additional buffering and plantings along their
property lines and we intend to work with them in that respect. We will work also with the
architects for the church in attempting to maintain as much of the existing vegetation along '
the Anderson's property line as possible because they are extremely close to the property line.
Mancino: Dean, will you speak to that more when you get to the landscape plan? '
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Mancino: Thank you.
Dean Olson: There are also a couple of bluff zones that exist on the site. There is a lot of
areas which have severe grade changes or ... grade changes but there are really only two
locations on the site and those being adjacent to Lake Susan over here, which is actually
qualified as a bluff zone, and those areas cannot be disturbed in any manner. And we also
need to provide, I believe it's a 30 foot setback from the top of those... along those areas. The
other thing that comes into effect is the Highway 101, or excuse me, Highway 5 corridor
placed in this portion of the site ... HCl zone which is highway corridor 1 zone. It has some
effects on the building setbacks along that line. We need to maintain a 50 foot building
setback. There's also along this edge a 45 foot existing... And next I will talk to the
preliminary plat. Bob showed it once earlier so I'll try to breeze through it. Highway 5 is
still on this side. Obviously this is the TH 101 boulevard. There are two blocks proposed
with the project. Block 1 being this major eastern portion of the property, east of TH 101
excuse me. And then also Block 2 being this portion, which is the west portion of TH 101.
Within those two, Block 2 would have two lots and then the southern most portion would be
outlot. And then also an outlot on the southern portion down here, as well as outlots through
both Main Street and ... being proposed as Lake Drive going through the site as well as around
the existing wetlands area. And within this block we're proposing... And then finally, the
landscape plan ... provide at least 208 replacement trees to accommodate the loss of-and we're
proposing a great deal of those be along on both Lake Drive here and Main Street that comes
through the center portion of the site here. We will also be providing a fair amount of tree
canopy along this portion of the roadway here.
Mancino: Excuse me, what is that roadway?
Dean Olson: It's actually an extension of the parking lot. It will serve as storefront parking
' for a lot of the stores along here. So it really serves as parking for a fair portion of the shops
along...
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Mancino: Okay, but it will have a name to the street?
Dean Olson: We haven't put a name on it as of yet.
Mancino: I put St. Hubert's Ave. I had to call it something.
Dean Olson: The retail and residential for the property is actually through this zone. We're
proposing a special paving in this area, which is highly concentrated pedestrian area, even
though there's some of these areas around here. Here you see the entry points to the center
portion of the site would be at this location and at this location on—drive and then the
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southern portion, excuse me really the main street feel as far as a plaza in front of the St.
Hubert's Church. We're proposing we'll have a fountain in the center of it. And then from
there, all the way up to another sort of town square in this location, which extends even
further around the water front on village pond. We also need to provide as a part of the code
requirement for the city, to place buffering around the existing wetland areas so what we see
in here, in the yellow areas will also happen around other wetland areas on the site. Via a
buffer zone that will vary from 0 to 20 feet in width around the edges... probably be
naturalized plantings. Grasses and so forth. We're also looking at of course the buffering
along the edges, as Bob indicated earlier. We will provide that buffering along this zone.
We'll have to do both the combination of overstory trees and shrubbery and ... along this edge.
Even more importantly, along the eastern edge of the property here, particularly where you're
coming very close to the property line here, which ... a significant grade change between the
edge of the parking lot and the existing grades in the residential area adjacent to it. We're
proposing that a series of tiered retaining walls in this area be ... and also intensify plant
material, both at the top and all the way down that hillside for screening. And obviously the
greatest impact ... plant material that would cover those portions of that hill or retaining walls
adjacent to the neighboring property owners. As I said earlier, we met with Mr. and Mrs.
Savard who actually live down in this area. The new road alignment would be coming a little
bit closer to their home so we'll be working with them to include an increased plant material
in this area. And also that area that's adjacent to the Anderson's property here, they've got
about an existing 30 foot ... tree canopy cover in here that we'd like to work and save as much
as possible so that these...
Mancino: I have a couple questions. One is, and if other commissioners do at this time. My
view shed from Highway 5 is as I go down Highway 5 I see a pond and I see parking. How
is parking going to be screened?
Dean Olson: Well grades, the grade is going to be fairly flat through here. It is going to
open up. You won't have that much stuff in here but the highway is higher along this edge
so you'll see across this opening. Right now we're proposing to plant along the edges of the
pond area. We also want to keep some of the views open to the retail across the front here
so it's going to be a balance between both plant material and this is going to be retail ... in that
zone.
Mancino: Are you going to use shrubs as walls around parking?
Dean Olson: We can certainly do that, yes. We can provide hedges around these edges here
to—still allow us to provide views to the retail.
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Joyce: I have a similar question. You're looking out from ... point. Will you be able to see
Highway 5?
Dean Olson: Oh yes.
Joyce: That wetlands area will not have vegetation high enough?
' Dean Olson: No it won't. The existing wooded area that we're trying to preserve is in this
zone here_ The wetlands here will probably be not too unlike what they are right now with
the exception of taking out the trees.
Mancino: But there could be some berming added to the east and west side.
Dean Olson: Along this edge. We are pretty tight along this edge.
Mancino: Well what about on the northwest side of the parking lot? Right here in some of
these areas that are right in front of the parking lot. There could be added berming.
Dean Olson: Yep. As a matter of fact, when we talked to staff yesterday, they made that
very suggestion that we look at trying to provide some berming in this area along the parking
lot. We can certainly look at the same thing up here.
' Mancino: Okay. So that when we see the site plans come in, we will be able to see the
shrub rows around the parkingelots, etc. I mean we need to see the detailed landscaping
' around the parking lots when we get each site plan. Overall landscaping. When you have a
taller building, will the boulevard trees be bigger as proportionately to the building?
Dean Olson: That's something that we kind of talked about amongst ourselves and exactly
how we approached that with number one, trying to get that street tree feel through the main
portions of the site and still not block a lot of the ... for the signage and so forth. One way we
may get to do that is to do something like ... canopy but still allow shade. There's a number of
ways that we can get it to happen. Primarily what we're looking at in the overstory trees,
rather than ... as street trees, we do have approximately a 14 to 15 feet of width between the
building bases and the grade and the curb line in that area so we do have a fair amount of
room for both pedestrian movements. We have some on grade plantings beneath the trees
and also tree canopy above.
' Mancino: Okay. And what about, I didn't see in the landscape plan anything about bunches
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Dean Olson: Yeah, I believe actually as a part of the guidelines, the... guidelines, we
encourage things such as flower boxes, window boxes, free standing planters. Potted plants
in the fronts of buildings. Anything that ... to that sort of character. So yes, we're encouraging
a lot of plant material at the base of buildings... Benches and so forth will be provided
obviously around the city square. Probably on both main street and along some of these store '
fronts here. We have made an attempt also to provide, with the additional amount of space
that we have in the fronts of the shops here, between the curb line and the adjacent building
to provide some cut outs for plant material as well so that...
Mancino: Will there be any sort of courtyard effect? I mean you have some of these as
being apartments and people will obviously be entering the back. Will there be some sort of
a courtyard? Some sort of plantings in the back for the residential that will be over the
commercial.
Dean Olson: We've got in a couple of cases, previously we had discussions of, Dave talked
about it here ... and really as a part of those pass throughs, and we'll talk about it in the '
architecture phase, where the access to the parking lot ... on the upper floors of the buildings.
We're trying to get as much plant material at those entry points, wherever they may be,
whether it be here and /or here. Same thing over here, at entry points to the apartments
above ... at those locations. Also, we're going to try to provide as much plant material as
possible to get that courtyard, although this is the town square feeling, although this is the
one area that really provides a large open space for the ... so typically in European settings and '
so forth, there are a lot of open spaces...
Mancino: Tell me what goes on around the pond? I mean usually again in European settings ,
when you have a pond, there's a promenade around the pond, etc. What's going to, when I
walk down main street and I get to the pond and obviously you'll be able to see Highway 5.
But why do I want to go down there? What's going to draw me besides the water? What '
else is down there?
Dean Olson: Well we obviously have to provide first vehicular access through this area and
what we try to do with the paving is to ... cars and extend the paving for main street all the
way out to here and here. In addition to what's on the driving surface as well as providing
some special paving around the walking surfaces here and then the actual pier which will
extend out into the pond and then carrying this planting beds and /or seating areas. There's
plenty of room in here to provide both planting and seating along the base of that..,at the
pond edge. There are opportunities for individuals to gather along that edge of the pond. ,
Mancino: And also from that edge, this would be staff suggesting that there be a landscaped
walkway in that parking lot area to get to the motel.
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Dean Olson: Yes. Along here. This is the area where staff was mentioning that I take
another look at expanding or keeping that existing wetlands intact... and possibly moving this
facility in further into the site and... along that edge from this corner of TH 101 and TH 5
where realistically a lot of people will be coming from. Downtown area and business so
' across Highway 5 so that sense of entry both along here as well as a stronger connection of
the hotel entry as part of the... And this side, the primary connection, the pedestrian
connection...
Mancino: And that will be a paved sidewalk.
Dean Olson: Yes. Mika will talk a little bit more about pedestrian and vehicular circulation
for the project.
' Mancino: Okay. Have you also look at it overall in relationship to our existing downtown?
How do we get from there to the existing downtown? With the amount of traffic, from the
' EAW study that's going to be.
Dean Olson: That's a difficult issue because of obviously Highway 5. Also the fact that you
' do have a pedestrian street crossing which is to the east of this site which in some respects is
a little bit distant from this project. Our hopes are that, as a part of this development, this
will spur additional improvements in this area to the east which will also encourage
movement by pedestrians through that zone... pedestrian crossing to the east. It's difficult to
get any sort of a low grade crossing through Highway 5 here. I think because of the grades
and because of the amount of wetlands and the water in these areas on this side of Highway
' 5 ... so your real access is where it exists now, over here and possibly looking at some way of
improving that pedestrian crossing across TH 5 and upgrade that, as well as trying to bring
people across here and further down here. Realistically it may be a safer... Again, Mika will
' talk to some of the pedestrian circulation. That's really what we see as the primary access
point into downtown... pedestrian system that crosses here and moves...
' Mancino: Okay. I'm not sure Dean if you're the person I should ask this to but about the
mitigation of some of the traffic. Volumes of traffic that will, that were in the EAW report.
Are you the person that would talk about that?
Dean Olson: ...I personally am not ... traffic.
Mancino: Thank you. Before we get into architectural, I just have a couple questions.
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Conrad: Yeah, I have one Madam Chair. What's your vision for that pond? The main pond,
pond 2000 or whatever. And when I say. I
Dean Olson: Ice rink in the winter.
Conrad: Yeah, there you go. I like that. But seriously you know, we talk about, when we '
talk about wetlands, I think we all go back and we think there's reeds but this is a holding
basin. '
Dean Olson: Yes it is. I
Conrad: And so again, I'm curious what the vision is for how this looks. It's a real
instrumental part of the whole design and just to let you know, I'm not out there trying to
protect the cattails right now. I'm trying to figure out how this wetland functions as part of
the overall design of what the vision is for it. It's not a very good looking wetland right now,
and it's going to be improved no matter what we do but I guess, again I'd like to hear a clear '
vision of how this fits with the community that you're designing.
Dean Olson: Well first off, we are trying to preserve as much of the wetland as possible on '
the site because there are so many, we are removing some of them so we want to try to save
as much of this as possible. We think that's, I believe that's part of the reason staff was
suggesting... along the western edge. Originally when I looked at this, I had hoped that we '
could maintain as much of this obviously, this upland vegetation as possible and possibly do
something similar on this side which really sets it as a framework for what's happening at the
core of the study on the pond. On the pond itself, I would hope that we can improve that '
pedestrian circulation around the edges first off, and obviously the connections from the city
core to this. We really need to provide some sort of buffering along the edges ... access to the
pond. '
Conrad: Are you looking to make it look natural? Or are you looking to make it more of a
pond? Of a pretty pond. ,
Dean Olson: First off a pretty pond. This portion of it would be dredged out, cleaned up and
contain water. It would be a "pretty pond ". '
Joyce: You could boat on it or something. It'd be almost functional, right?
Dean Olson: Well art of the actual image of the project is the main sin which will sit in '
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this location so there is a lot of emphasis on views across that pond to that location. One
thing that may be considered is an aerator or a fountain in the center of it as well but it will '
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be, it will function as retention for the site. With a fair portion of the drainage for this zone
' is going to go into that pond so there's a need to keep it clean, yes.
Conrad: I don't think you still answered my question. And maybe somebody else will. It's
' not a catch question at all. I'm just trying to see how it fits. Is it a natural? Are we going to
let weeds grow up along the edges or are we going to keep it pretty clear? When we dredge
it, are we going to keep that a clean edge type pond and one of a picturesque versus a natural.
That's my question.
Mika Milo: The answer is the first one. To have it more picturesque. To have that look...'
reflect what can be the front face of our development and ... keeping it more clean and to
function more as a decorative element. So while it does have the function of a retention, the
idea of that pond as a central feature as a reflecting mirror of the village, is to have a
decorative function. A clean edge that will... walk around and kind of a central feature that
will be like a...
' Aanenson: Can I answer it from the staffs perspective?
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Conrad: Sure.
Aanenson: The way we saw it, and I think actually... when we first looked at this as part of
the wetland we were concerned about the same thing and we went back and looked at when
Bill Morrish did the Highway 5 study. The view and the view corridors when you drive
through Chanhassen, what are your impressions? The wetlands. There's certainly water is a
feature that the city values and the trees. So when they first approached us about using this
as a feature, we were concerned about what that meant but while Mika's answered the
question that it does have some clean parts to it. We also, that's why the staff went back and
said we also want to have kind of the natural component to it too. So it actually does have
kind of duo. It provides a perspective when you come across water, which reflects what
Chanhassen is about. And it's preserving some of the edges, which Dean was speaking about.
The woods and the natural features so it really has both. We see it as Mika indicated, it does
provide the reflective kind of vision going across, catches your eye looking, but also has a
natural component too and that's why I guess we were concerned about making sure that we
still kind of maintained that natural edges to it so it looked like...
Conrad: I'm not sure that that's what belongs here.
Aanenson: Well we're allowing it to be altered. A significant part to be altered.
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Conrad: I sure think so. Again, but I was looking for the vision and I just kept having a
hard time envisioning a real natural wetland here. I think it is a focal point. It is not a good
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wetland right now. It's not attractive. It's a holding basin but then I started thinking, well are
we clear? Is it functioning as a pond that filters and I think it's holding. It's not filtering as
much as it's holding so I'm not sure of the purpose of the reeds and grasses and whatever, so
again I'm not a scientist on this but my gut feeling was that in the setting was more of a
pretty pond than natural. And that's just a personal feel on this and maybe a design team has
this all under control but I was curious how it fits. How it was envisioned.
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Mancino: Any other questions?
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Conrad: No.
Mika Milo: Members of the Chanhassen Planning Commission, my name is Mika Milo ... and
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we have been retained to ... to create the Villages on the Pond. A vision for the expansion of
downtown Chanhassen and ... months that we spent on that. We went to a number of segments
and very complexities that surround the plan and came up finally... We were guided with
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three main goals. Number one is that we create a community, a mixed community that
provides the opportunity of the same place to live, to work, to eat, entertain, recreate... And
number two is to provide a...extension of downtown... already exists of Chanhassen, but to
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extend... retail into the whole complex area of the downtown Chanhassen. And number three
is to, number three goal, which is not really a priority but ... that we preserve the natural face
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of the site as much as possible. Preserve the use o£..so that development fits really well and
strengthens the village ... And with this in mind, with these three goals in mind we went into
the planning and ... concept of the early ... century American town that you've seen around and
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that's also traditional, neo- traditional planning concepts that would allow these to be
accomplished. All three main goals that I just mentioned. This would allow ... as much as the
American ... earlier in this century. Also the European towns that you can see across ... And my
recent... Europe that I just came back that was to a great extent devoted to the study of the
situation that we also have here on Village on the Ponds, is serving as a further confirmation
that the direction we are going, I really feel comfortable we are going to the right direction. I
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believe that we are going to have something that works well for the city ... live here in the
United States but in the same time preserve and maintain these values that we have had
before but we started to lose in recent decades to the typical suburban sprawl that ... that the
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car is just one mode of transportation. With this in mind we ... concept that is based on the...
framework that we established as the ... to use as a consultation as well. And to accommodate
various use ... that would be strongly pedestrian oriented streets... opportunities for biking,
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pedestrians and the car. But the cars would be only as ... another means of transportation. In
general the cars are strong in the surrounding area where we have the streets but as they are
close to the village, they get more and more slowed down. Stopped so to speak. They have
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to feel like they are part of the overall ... The car is just parked and ... go 50 -60 miles per hour
around on these highways but this is the area not for the car to go 60 or ... 40 mph but they
have to slow down because this is a special area. This is an area where we'll live. Where we
will sit. Where we talk. Where we entertain and so on and shop and therefore the car is just
a means that we come to that area. We park the car or we maybe short term park on the
street but—shop and come out and ... parking areas behind the building and so that way we
make sure that ... are going to provide the framework for all these multiple functions to happen.
The buildings are mostly going ... go along shops ... but in any case these buildings are framing
the streets and on the front sides of the buildings we are allowing for limited parking.
Parallel or diagonal parking, while on the back side of that we have a majority of parking. In
some special situations where there may be some festivities or some special events that
happen, the event can park the cars on the fringe areas and use them, turn that main street
completely into a pedestrian zone for a certain segment of time for some special events like
centennial or ... or some other festivities. So the streets have been an important concept to us.
...but we are also allowing the car and modern amenities ... so we are allowing plenty of
parking... so we are making a combination of what we see as traditional town ... or the
European towns and the modern technology that we have... This is the challenge for us to
make that work and make that become... Second important... side of street is that we have, that
we have secured that ... that allows that use of...In the diagrams that we prepared for that
indicate that we have vehicle circulation and the pedestrian circulation. And they reflect that
what I just said. Vehicle circulation indicates this strong circulation around these highways,
TH 101 and TH 5 and indicates that as you come along the Lake Drive at these entrance
points, the traffic tends to slow down and the dotted line with the street indicates that is the
slow traffic for the cars departing... We enter the parking ... from these streets as well as the
connection for the Grandview loop around that... Along the TH 101 we are going to have
three communication nodes that will be intersections as we go East Lake Drive here. As we
go into the ... going to the east and also to the main street... The pedestrian circulation. While
the vehicle circulation... is weaken and reduced down and we use ... of slowing down that
circulation and... In the core area of offices and pedestrian circulation, this is the strength of
the pedestrian areas... The pedestrian is the ... in that area and the car is just a guest. What we
are showing with this diagram is that pedestrians are not only on the street but they also have
a very strong connection opportunities to all regional trails—along Lake Susan and Marsh
Lake. Go south to the Chanhassen Hills and Rosemount and to the bridge, pedestrian bridge
here. There are also these two crossings to the downtown, as has been mentioned before...
Highway 101 and also here on the eastern portion as well. So the... pedestrian circulation and
the car circulation and—but it indicates that we have the uses both vertically and horizontally.
We did not mix just horizontally. That means here is the office. Here is the church_ Here is
the retail. Here is, they are not separate uses like that... horizontally mixed but we also have
vertical ... to be used that the building itself contains the garage...retail on the first floor. The
office for the second floor and then the residential on top of it. So ... vertical and horizontal
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mix that we have here, that we provide opportunities for like cycle housing or for all this
synergy and all this ... uses that are going to make that... maybe I should be a little more
specific about the units ... St. Hubert's Church. This is the residential... up to four story high.
...Lake Susan and potentially back off this side will be also a place... We have along the
highway we will find the motel here and the restaurant probably and the office building. And
in the area along TH 101 you will have office retail... And in the core area we are having
retail and residential units. And the fourth element that we use to create a concept of the
development is not an architectural design standard of...and as we are looking at these ... I
would like to point strongly out strong use of size. That these elevations, as well as ... that
take the intent, the overall intent of that development on a broad brush basis of the whole
PUD, but they do not reflect that we are ... exactly like that will look, the floorplan of the
building...but that's not, as a matter of fact, we are not designing any specific buildings. We
are just trying to indicate to give some idea of the flavor and the character of ..that we are
trying to achieve and suggesting to individual developers as they come along that they ... along
this line of these ... that we are trying to reflect with these elevations and the design standards
that Bob is working with us on and ... we would like to have more of this continuous look of
the village developed over the time rather than just single hand, that one single architect did
the whole thing. Number two, we are suggesting that we go along ... like maybe
south... Spanish or Cape Cod or who knows what. We would like to have more of midwestern
architectural flavor. Maybe ... things that you see in the old towns in Minnesota, or most any
other midwestern town... We would like those to reflect that some architectural elements that
are... I think that some European flavor on some of these elevations is fine to get reflected
and if we have this type of design that reflects midwestern ... European type of style of
architecture, we believe that that makes...that has been here from the early settlers in
Minnesota has been really provided. I mean the people came from Europe and Sweden and
so they also ... and so this elements that have been here established before, we are trying to...
Mancino: Mika, I have a question. So what doesn't work?
Mika Milo: Pardon?
Mancino: So what kind of architecture doesn't work?
Mika Milo: Will not work?
Mancino... Yes.
Mika Milo: For our villages as we are saying and it would be ... we work out together the
design standards, says that we are, that we don't believe that the flashy, streamline modern,
super modern just architecture would really work very well here. We would like to have
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more of a warm traditional feeling of...That does not include that you cannot have modern
elements... and modern materials and means to achieve the construction but it would in general
it's encouraging more familiar forms of the more traditional kinds of forms... That you feel
comfortable in it and it's not cold and modern and one huge big building along horizontal
' lines or bands or something like that, that you see very often in developments ... the facade and
the elevations, the other thing that we have strongly encouraging through guidelines... and also
down the road because there ... an architectural review... established here down the line you
know for the review and development as it comes even before you, it will be first reviewed
by the architectural design committee against the guidelines, against the whole intent of the
village is also that it would encourage that not only there is a place for facades and all these
that we are trying to ... floorplan of the building and the street, building on the street ... as many
as possible interesting effects that the pedestrians will feel very comfortable or being around
or ... and those benches on the streets and plaza... multitude of visual effects and interests that
the people like to talk about this village as something special. It's almost like a destination.
Let's go and spend a quality couple hours there walking and maybe...
' Mancino: Can you talk a little bit about the materials used. Natural materials and materials
found in this area as they do in Europe versus aluminum siding and man made materials.
Mika Milo: We are suggesting the guidelines here, materials that come more typical for
midwest and...which is brick and wood. Brick and wood that's being earlier ... we are
encouraging here. Stucco as well. But less of metal panels and gray concrete and all these
more ... or very flashy, very cold, cold architectural materials. Used more as an accent. We
are ... So any questions. I'm just going to...
I Mancino: Any questions, Jeff, architectural...
' Skubic: I have a question. What would that mass transit component be on the plan? Do you
have some idea where and how that would be located?
' Mika Milo: ...and right here at the core, at the intersection of Main Street and the Lake Drive
where we had the village square, there would be a bus station on both ends of the eastbound
and westbound. There will be bus stations down here. The Southwestern and Met Council
worked with us on that and they are going to participate in ... funding of these areas to be
created for their transit stops here and that will be a very welcome feature that we have as
many activities and ... for the village here as much as possible._ And so that's an important
' element in the consideration so I'm glad you...
Mancino: And where will the main route of the buses be? Will they come from Great Plains
' Boulevard into that area and then go out TH 101?
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Aanenson: We haven't really worked that out with Southwest as far as what they see their
loops and as TH 101 gets widened, those transit may change. The loops depending on where
they're feeding.
Mancino: So, when will we have that figured out by? Will that be something for final plat? ,
Aanenson: It may be something that changes over time too. I mean that's a flexibility that's
part of Southwest Metro that we have. I mean what we're really trying to provide is transit
stop locations where people can sit in a comfortable, enclosed area and that's what we're
providing.
Generous: Or do other things while they're waiting for the bus.
Aanenson: Right, yeah. And so the routing may change depending on where people are '
going. Destinations so there's some flexibility.
Mika Milo: Again I would just like to again ... of that image of the village ... East Lake Drive '
as well coming here to this end. That would be something later. It could be a motel ... but
certainly that design was come before the church was designed so it does not reflect the site '
design of the church ... but that gives the overall understanding of the village concept and I
think it projects a very comfortable feeling about what we are trying to achieve...
Mancino: Thank you. Any other questions at this time? Thank you.
Vernelle Clayton: ...but as a practical matter there isn't a whole lot that ... If you want to
follow along... that there was a change that they would like to have us consider which I ... staff
recommended that we change this configuration, put the configuration of the 'pond in this
area. There's some pictures that Bob had at the onset that... and shows the restaurant actually '
moves forward. That's a part of what we'll be working on. Making way for the pedestrians.
Working to... So it's not quite done yet. In the meantime we're going to deal with the impacts
of taking this land out of this site which is the site that would ultimately... motel and
restaurant site. They need a certain size site and if you're taking this away ... giving them a
little larger site and I just wanted to—that there may be some changes in this area to
accommodate that. ...This was never intended to be a street...
Mancino:. So Vernelle, can I interrupt you for a minute? For some of these changes that you
may ask for or don't like—it may be that we table this and ask you and staff to work on the
changes and the appropriate verbiage of them for next week when we meet again and...
because you have not had time to go over that with staff and we don't want to do - that during
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Vernelle Clayton: Right. I don't know either if that was what your intent was on some of
' these...
Aanenson: That's up to the Planning Commission. I guess they have to decide what the
' scope—and how much changes you're talking about.
Vernelle Clayton: Right. We're trying to keep the changes to a minimum and keeping in
' mind that what we're doing is ... changing the plat to reflect...
Aanenson: To answer your question Nancy. They've already shown us a revision that we
believe is moving in the right direction to answer our concerns... The Fire Marshal had
concerns about egress into that area. We were concerned about the amount of wetland.
They've already given us the plans that we're pretty confident moves in the right direction.
' Now you haven't had an opportunity to see it but we...
' Mancino: Sure. Well it just depends how many there are because we don't want to sit here
for 45 minutes where you guys can do that and then come back to us next week and go over
it in half an hour and you will come to an agreement.
Vernelle Clayton: ...because I didn't want to come either next week or subsequently having
worked it out with staff...
' Mancino: Okay.
t Vernelle Clayton: The item that we have ... we do have a problem... items that we do have a
problem with, as Bob mentioned, is the natural area and knoll in the southern part of the
development. Number 4 ... as open space and subsequent item ... It is their input... further study
and we will bring additional information to you on that. Further study of the ... stand on the
current TH 101, you don't appreciate... The other thing that needs to be taken into
consideration is the amount of grading the new TH 101 will take from that site. That's the
' grading that will... There is canopy there but there is very few significant trees on the site and
we'll get you some more information on that. We also will be accompanying St. Hubert's to
the Park and Rec meeting on ... There is some need for a soccer field in town ... and I should
' add that the option of having the ... is not a viable option to either the seller or the buyer. It's
not practical economically for either one ... so I just want to let you know that that's an
option...
' Mancino: Even with underground parking? As an option.
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Mancino: Up in that area.
Vernelle Clayton: Even with the underground parking we have...
Mancino: ...enlarging it.
Vernelle Clayton: We wouldn't have a building in that area that could provide underground
parking. If the soccer fields were put, which way is up?
Generous: It's side ways.
Vernelle Clayton: Up here. Then you would not ... with the underground parking—and it
would take more space than the office building and...
Mancino: I thought they still had the office building.
Generous: They did. It's a smaller building.
Mancino: Okay.
Peterson: As the drawing shows there Vernelle, how far is the soccer field approximately
from the church?
Mancino: 450 feet.
Aanenson: As the crow flies.
Mancino: At least that's what the report said.
Hempel: Madam Chair, one alternative to that, I don't want to get into the design specifics at
this point. One of the recommendations was to consider consolidating this storm pond with
this storm pond and eliminating the tennis court which would open up additional space for a
possible parking lot expansion or retail or something of that sort so there are some options ... to
explore.
Mancino: Okay, thank you.
Vernelle Clayton: Again...
Generous: To agree on the development approval, the City has to...
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Vernelle Clayton: ...we've covered 3 ... Number 14 relates to ... Rerouting of Riley Creek ... but
' not that we would be doing rerouting. That's part of TH 101.
Hempel: It actually depends on the final design parameters of the storm pond adjacent to TH
101 in that location as it impacts the creek. Or the storm pond's going to utilize the creek
area so some more discussions on that as we move further along.
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Vernelle Clayton: Another important item is number 16. We want and we have talked about
the timing on that. We have talked with staff and staff is currently working on determining
how they can work something out on that... Number 23, all access points on to Trunk
Highway 101 are subject to MnDot approval and there Dave, I think that this ... all access
points for right in and right out ... very important to ... able to have a right -in and right -out and
we're going to make our best effort to ... so that's another ongoing item.
Mancino: So it will stay just as it is. I mean 23 is fine but you're mostly concerned about
that northern access on TH 101.
Vernelle Clayton: Right. 25. We're... Again at 34... 40, I believe that in our discussions that
language should be changed to a width of 50 feet right there.
Hempel: That's correct.
Vernelle Clayton: 41. It says that the applicant shall dedicate the future Trunk Highway 101
right -of -way with the initial phase of development. We would like to add, and at the same
time... vacation of the existing at the same time. Park fees, we're going to be talking with the
Park Department... Development of Block 2. Again that went with .... TH 101 or determination
of...temporary setback... The only thing that was not specific in here is the 50/50 ownership
on the... I wanted to I'm sorry go back, to item number 6. Development shall comply with
the development design standards included in the staff report and incorporated herein by
reference, and I do want to say there that we are a little uncomfortable with listing the items
that are permitted. Typically you ... here we have a lot of permitted retail and we, in
discussions we...we're not uncomfortable that what we're trying to... We seem to have a good
meeting of the minds on what everybody wants ... but we would like to, when it comes back,
we would like to see it come back ... we'd like to be sure that there... They're kept much more
up to date than this... For example, we are trying to have a special... and I'm most concerned
about other technologies. Areas of technology... I might want to open a fax store. Just sell
fax machines. That's not listed as a permitted item but if you use the same zip code,.. Now
20 years ago there were no fax machines. Today we all have them. If we want this to work
20 years from now...
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Mancino: We'll have to update this list, no question.
Vernelle Clayton: Yes. But what those ... lists are updated ... I think that's about it .... thank you. '
Mancino: Thank you. Any questions? I
Conrad: Yeah Vernelle. Are you comfortable with the sign restrictions?
Vernelle Clayton: I think we have, we ... spent quite a bit of time talking about that. One of '
the things we'll probably do, in both our covenants and.. and incorporate some of that in them.
final '
And in the nal report. We're going to have... illustrative documents. We'll have a lot of
illustrative documents that... developer and then their review and usually ... so yeah, I think
we're pretty comfortable... Any other questions? '
Mancino: I don't think so. That's fine. Thank you very much. I think we want to now
move forward to the public hearing. And then maybe after that, depending on how long it '
goes, make some suggestions about staff and the applicant getting back together and going
over these recommendations. Cleaning them up and bring it back to us next week for a final
wrap. May I have a motion to open the public hearing and a second please. '
Conrad moved, Faimakes seconded to open the public healing. The public hewing was
opened. '
Mancino: Thank you. This is open for a public hearing. Those wishing to address the
Planning Commission, please do so at this time. Come up. State your name and address. '
Dave Nikolay: My name is Dave Nikolay. I live at 8500 Tigua Circle. My property is in
the southeast corner of the proposed development on the. '
Mancino: Kind of where is it?
Dave Nikolay: Mission Hills, not Mission Hills. Rice Lake Manor development. Some of ,
you may remember... number of times on the Rottlund... Number of people that address the
issue relative to the ballfields and park space and the one issue that hasn't been addressed '
here deals with, I've owned the property I'm currently residing on for about 16 years and over
that 16 year period there's been numerous discussions about the possibility of a trail system
that would go all the way around Rice Marsh Lake. Nobody's mentioned anything about that 1
trail here_ If some day that that trail should be built and connected to the existing - - trail that
runs on the north side of Rice Marsh Lake, then I think it would be advantageous to consider
dedicating this space for this land that might otherwise be ... proposed as open space, to be a '
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park piece of property that would be similar to the Rice Marsh Park. It could be potentially
' similar to the Lake Susan Park. I think there are a number of other parks classified as
neighborhood parks in Chanhassen. I'm one of now over 230 households that are a part of
the Rottlund and Rice Lake Manor developments. We have one -half acre of parkland for that
' many residents in our area. We have no access to parkland by any trail on our side of TH
101, which is the east side of TH 101. So anything that you can do, whether it be small or
large, and I don't think there's going to be much large ... Park and Rec passed on the proposal...
' they passed on the Rottlund development as having a park space provided. We eventually did
get a half acre. You approved that. They approved it so I would seriously ask that you
would recommend to the Park and Rec that they reconsider that they review the first decision
or review and that they look at this as park space. I don't know whether it should be St.
Hubert's or it should be the developers or who's it should be. I think the City should take
responsible or take control of that and if they want to hand it off to St. Hubert's or to some
' other party to develop or to manage, that's fine. But we need park space and to have a park
at that location that might be eventually ... a trail that is not addressed yet here at this point, it
' would be helpful. So I would recommend that you seriously consider allowing some type of
park open space to be provided.
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Generous: 23rd. Next Tuesday.
Mancino: Okay, thank you. Now this is going in front of the Park and Rec on July 25th.
Mancino: Okay. So that might be an important meeting for you to attend too. Excuse me,
I'm losing my voice. Anyone else?
Dave Bangaster: Hi. I'm Dave Bangaster and I'm a member of the St. Hubert's Building
Committee and I don't want to belabor the ballfield point but I do want to make it clear that
that is an important issue to St. Hubert's and just ask your consideration to leave some of
your thoughts open to you and to present our case next Tuesday to the Park and Rec. We
think we've got some ultimate plan to help mitigate some of the issues. To save some of the
trees and also replant some things. To rework some grades in there that we think will help.
We'd just like the opportunity to sit down and work that out with staff so I'd just you keep
that open and it's understanding that this will likely be continued to next week and we
hopefully will have a chance to reconsider it at that time.
Mancino`. Thank you.
Pat Hamblin: I'm Pat Hamblin at 340 Sinnen Circle. First of all I had a question, - it's
probably a dumb question. I had a really — hard time hearing anything. On that plot, the
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square. The town square thing... What is that? Is that just a fancy intersection or is that a
building or what?
Mancino: Mika, could you answer that please.
Generous: Fancy intersection.
Mika Milo: It's just a plaza that... It's a paving ... so that you can drive vehicles.
Pat Hamblin: So you can drive through there?
Mika Milo: Yeah, you can drive a car.
Pat Hamblin: Okay. I was trying to figure out how ... TH 101 from over here.
Mancino: It's decorative paving. But it will still be the roadway.
Pat Hamblin: And that was the one concern I had. Other than that just, you know I'm
hoping that the number of-apartments or townhouses or what but I can talk to you about that
later. Only other thing is, on a personal note, it just kind of breaks my heart to see all these
trees and sumac and stuff being removed. It also makes me wonder, what's going to happen
to all this wildlife that's over there. Especially when they go, you've got 212 coming up to
Rice Marsh ... that's a sad comment but I guess that's not an important thing... So okay, that's
just my...
Mancino: Thank you. Anyone else? Have any questions. Comments.
Greg Larsen: My name's Greg Larsen. I live on 8151 Grandview Road. My question is, the
section of trees that butt up against my property. What they have proposed, it doesn't look
like there's anything left in the parking lot there. What's the buffer actually going to be? I'm
the first house on.
Brad Johnson: He's the one on the left as you go up Grandview.
Greg Larsen: I'm the first house.
Dean Olson: ...we'll have to first off meet the standards of the city in terms of...
Greg Larsen: Yeah buffer zones...
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Dean Olson: I would propose that we come in with evergreen and overstory and shrubbery in
there so that we get a full mix...
Greg Larsen: And then I would like to know a little bit more on how that road's actually
' going to change. Where it's going to come in according to my property. You say you're
going to change access.
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Mancino: Dave, do you want to address that?
Greg Larsen: Yeah, I was here but.
Hempel: Maybe I can just use this board right here. The way it's currently, Grandview Road
accesses TH 101 in this location approximately 100 -150 feet south of Lake Drive.
Approximately double that distance. Probably 200 to 300 feet south of the intersection to a
public street which...
Greg Larsen: Is that looking to come, right now the road goes past the end of my property
and now it's going to come up into the center of my property. Possibly.
Hempel: Where you garage and your driveway is served?
Greg Larsen: There's actually a lower driveway that goes into my garage ... down there.
Brad Johnson: You've got two trees there. The biggest tree...
Mancino: Dave, is it possible for you to go over to Mr. Larsen's house and kind of walk it
and show him where it's going to come?
Hempel: Certainly.
Mancino: I think that that would be a good idea to actually do it on site.
Hempel: It would approximately come into your driveway right here.
Greg Larsen: Okay, good. That's the one we're...
Mancino: But the public road, the public cul -de -sac won't go into his property?
Hempel: No. It will terminate at the development's property line.
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Mancino: Okay. But it will not go into your property and take part of your property.
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Greg Larsen: No. That was my concern was. This was going to be the cul- de- sac ... going to
be in the garage. That was a concern.
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Brad Johnson: Probably what we should do...
Mancino: Yeah. An on site review of it.
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Greg Larsen: Thank you.
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Mancino: Anyone else wishing to come in front of the Planning Commission? Seeing none,
may I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing.
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Com -ad moved, Joyce seconded to close the public healing. The public heming was closed.
Mancino: At this point, what would the commission like to do? Do I have a motion to table
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this until the next meeting and have the.
Conrad: I think we should talk a little bit in terms of things that we would like staff working
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on.
Mancino: Okay.
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Conrad: Or reinforce something or not.
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Mancino: Okay, Jeff.
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Farmakes: I continue to like this development...
Audience: Couldn't hear you.
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Farmakes: Couldn't hear me?
Audience: No.
Farmakes: I'll try and ... project. I like this development as much as anything I've seen since
I've been on. I think it's a very high quality and I continue to see that. I'd like to see the
issue that was touched on briefly about more screening up on Highway 5. In particular
screening the parking lot ... site line to see through the distance to the retail areas. I'm sure the
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staff can work on that. The other issues and materials that you touched on, I have yet to see
' worked out. Everything else is well thought out. I look forward to this continuing on. I
don't have any critical comments to the thing.
' Peterson: Moment of silence.
Mancino: Nobody knows what to say.
' Conrad: I'm going to get this videotape.
' Mancino: We're going to hold this against your from now, forever more. Kevin. Comments.
Joyce: The only comment, my comment is I'm excited. I think the staff did a great job. I
' think Lotus did a great job. Mika. I think it's all wonderful. I've got two things though.
Number one, Bob can you put up your suggested Section 2 with the parking.
' Generous: Oh the soccer field?
' Mancino: Northwest corner by the motel, restaurant. Correct?
Joyce: Yes. I imagine you guys will be discussing this. This would be your suggestion.
' What am I looking at here? That's the only thing I don't like. I don't like your suggestion
I'm afraid. I don't like all that parking right there in that corner. I think that's adding to the
problem. I know you're trying to get away from the idea of seeing a lot of parking. I see
' more parking.
Aanenson: Well, what we were trying to do is ... new urbanism is that now if you wanted the
' restaurant to be against Highway 5, you're doing a traditional, very suburban development.
We're saying, if there's a relationship to the restaurant to the rest of the development is should
be pulled closer because anybody sitting at that motel has to walk across a sea of parking lot
' which is exactly what we're trying not to accomplish. So we wanted to pull it closer to
what's the energy of the rest of the center. We're not sure this is the right solution but we
think it's moving...
' Mancino: Well and you're also trying to make the pond bigger.
' Aanenson: Right. That's the statement of the project is the pond and it still can have a view
of the pond, which is the nice edge but, so we're working we think in the right direction.
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Joyce: Yeah and I'm not saying. I don't have a solution for you, okay. I just saw that and I
went oh. I don't know. It looks like more parking to me is all I'm saying. Is it more?
Generous: No. It's probably the same. I didn't have the numbers.
Joyce: If there was some way of breaking that up, I don't know. I'm just saying, you know
since you'll be talking about it. That's something I'd want to consider. The only other
consideration I've had, and I've had it from the beginning is the segregation of this from the
other part of downtown. I mean I wish we could figure out some method of slowing down
traffic on Highway 5 or something. I just think that's going to be a problem and I look at this
as just a beautiful project. If there's some way to integrate this with the other part of
downtown Chanhassen, I wish we had a solution ... I can't think of anything else so.
Mancino: Another bridge.
Joyce: Another bridge, right. Otherwise congratulations.
Mancino: Bob.
Skubic: --- and I think real nice implementation. I think everybody else is quite excited about
this. My opinion on it, as far as the integration with downtown is that, even if you were
going to put a bridge there, it's too far away from the other businesses. I know I don't walk
from Perkins to Target and I don't know if anybody does and that's a lot closer than this is.
And it's quite cold here in the winter too. I just don't see this as being part of downtown. I
wish it was. The soccer fields, I certainly think we need to keep that ... St. Hubert's property
or open to the public but I attended the open house at the Park Referendum Task Force had a
month ago and it was well represented by the athletic folks in town and they stressed the
shortage of ballfields and considerable need ... fields and I'd sure like to see that retained and
I'd like to see it retained closer to the church ... I think if there needs to be a plan of how you
get access to the field there. I don't see how that works so. And one more access ... it sounds
like we are continuing to have an underpass under TH 101 for a trail and I think there needs
to be an access for the east side of the trail to main street ... so they can access the downtown
development... That's it.
Mancino: Thank you. Ladd.
Conrad: Yeah, I don't have that many things. It's such a big project. Very few things.
Couple quick ones. As probably was evident in my comments, I think this pond can be a
pretty pond and I guess I'm not looking for it to be a totally natural habitat. Is it more of a
picturesque pond. I want to make sure the applicant is really comfortable with the signage
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restrictions. They look real complicated to me and they've got me nervous but Vernelle said
that she's okay so, but I'd just challenge that. Make sure it reflects what we want to do. I
very definitely feel we should screen the parking lots on Highway 5. There's just no doubt
about it. It's probably a greater emphasis and maybe we just don't know what the plan is but
it looks like we need more. I'm real interested in the impact of the soccer field. What kind
of trees are we taking down? The quality of trees. Are they bad trees? It doesn't look like it
fits down there. It looks like it's just sticking right out in a natural area. There's got to be a
way to make it fit. If it goes in there, there's got to be a way to make it look more than just
like a soccer field stuck in a very natural. I don't know. If the field goes there, I'm real
interested in how it's being linked here. It's just not connected. It's just not connected so we
need to see that plan and if the soccer field, if we decide the soccer field goes there, it's got
to be connected somehow and I haven't seen that. So again what I need is, and maybe the
Park and Rec will, no, no. Staff will figure this out. If we tear it down, if we tear the trees
down, I need to know what kind of impact there is there. I'm not committed to the
reconfiguration of the restaurant location as we just saw. It didn't look, I don't know. There's
more, something's not right and I'm not sure what it is, but it just didn't strike me right so the
staff proposal for where the restaurant is located, I still see the same thing and I haven't
looked at it real good. I still see the same pedestrian problems. Before I could walk people
around the edge of the parking lot. Now I've got to route them through so I'm not there yet
in terms of a solution for changing that. I like the comment from the public about a trail
around Rice Marsh Lake. That's kind of neat. I don't know. I'd sure like to challenge the
Park and Rec. Again, I don't know their detail plans for how the south is connected to this
development but a trail going through that property sure sounds reasonable. Or sounds like
something that should be pursued. I'd sure like to see the Park and Rec. I'd like to get their
input before we review this. Boy, they meet on Tuesday.
Mancino: They meet on Tuesday. Will we be able to get that?
Aanenson: Yeah.
Mancino: We can still get it. One, we can attend and number two, we can get that.
Conrad: But overall it's really neat. This is just a real treat to see a project like this in
Chanhassen.
Mancino: Craig.
Peterson: I agree with virtually all the comments. I vacillate back and forth on the soccer
field being there and having a nice quiet walk through the trees to get there from the area. I
see that as being a positive. It depends upon how we cover it from TH 101. Does it look
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like ... is it fitting in there with the natural trees around that. Part of me likes it there for.that
reason. Part of me, it is going to stick out like Ladd offered it might but it wouldn't, more '
landscaping definition of that needs to be done. I'm a little confused on that. I think next
time staff, I want to talk a little bit more about the idea of expanding the pond and really the
rationale for that. I'm not convinced that expanding it is the right thing to do. I'm more ,
biased towards making it a manicured pond. I think long term it's easier to maintain and keep
it looking reasonable. To try to balance the natural versus manicured, you're going to have...
I think that a manicured, and how you push that into the wetland area ... going to diffuse the
look of it so I'm more biased towards manicuring.
Aanenson: Can I get your input on that then, just as direction for staff. Because one of the '
guiding principles, preservation of natural features and so, which ones? I mean basically
we've taken the trees down. We don't have enough wetland. We've taken the wetlands out. ,
We have to replace them off site. I mean they've offered to put them in Chaska. We're
saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's try to keep them at least in the
general area. They want to use the city bank so, but that's where the Park and Recreation's '
battling too as far as the PUD. What is the city getting out of it, and that's where we were
wrestling trying to preserve some of the wetlands. Like this is an area to maintain some of
the wetland preservation. So I guess what you're telling us is that it's not important and try to ,
find banking somewhere else? I mean we're talking a significant amount.
Joyce: I'm curious though Craig. So how do you manage with the wetland, won't that I
somehow overtake the opening pond, the pretty pond?
Aanenson: No. '
Joyce: I don't know either I mean.
Aanenson: I think we can accomplish that. If you dig it deep enough, sure. That was our '
proposal. But I mean what you're saying then is that there's not enough replacement on site
for wetlands. So what you're saying is that, you want us to come back specifically. We '
didn't address a lot of that in detail tonight but that was one reason why we tried to put some
back there.
Peterson: Well I guess what I was thinking, what I'm sensing. I'm confused as to what it's ,
going to look like, and Ladd tried to get that.
Aanenson: Okay. Well maybe there needs to be a better definition of what that would look
like.
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Mancino: I think a vision needs to be articulated much better. I think the vision for the pond
and even maybe graphically too. Verbally. Graphically.
Peterson: Computer video graphics would be nice.
Mancino: Or a rendering.
Peterson: A couple other quick items. In the very macro sense, every time I look at this, the
first thing I see and the last thing I see is parking everywhere. You know you want to get a
feel for you know a little bit of serenity but on a busy day all you're going to see is cars.
Even though we're putting a lot of them underground. If you look at it and there's,
everywhere you drive getting in and out of there is, there's a car space. Park. And again, this
is not an answer. It's just a reflection of what I see when I look at it. I just don't think it
generates that much warmth on that level and ... can't give you specifics above that. Another
item, we talk about where the restaurant is and we talked about it earlier as far as... One of
the things that I compare it with, if you've been at the Friday's over by the Radisson South
and trying to get to that Friday's through the parking lot of the Radisson, it's a pain. And
almost to the point of being dangerous trying to fight your way through the parking lot.
People backing out and in and ... easy entrance or exit to it. What I don't want us to have is
restaurant sites and you've got to go through a maze to get to the parking lot. So that as a
parking... there really is a natural level versus trying to figure out where to get to it. And
lastly, it really wasn't talked about. It was talked about at one of the preliminary meetings
that over on the westerly side where the office complex is. Now at one point in time that
was talked about being condo's and trying to have all three of those areas being kind of
considered kind of a mix of that. I still find that rather intriguing to have them all three
condo's versus office. I know there's a balance of office so you can have some working area
but again, I'm looking at the parking aspect of it with office bringing in a lot more parking
than you would with condominiums. So those are my salient points for tonight.
Mancino: Thank you. My last comments. I think I agree with what ever other
commissioners has said. Parking, from what Craig just brought up. What are the options?
More shared parking? Underground parking, etc. to alleviate the massive parking.
' Generous: What I have initialed. These were based on the standards that the Code has. Not
what we're proposing for the development. I believe we dropped it down. The number of
parking that would ... have as part of this.
Mancino: Okay, so we had dropped it down. Okay. So what we're saying.
' Generous: ...It's illustrative but it's not exact.
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Mancino: Oh, okay. So how much illustrative is it? I mean is it 20 %? Because I've got to
tell you.
Generous: I did run through the numbers once. I don't remember them off hand. It's
significant. It's like 100 over. It exceeds 100 more than I would have had. Just based on
those numbers of what they have there.
Mancino: So the illustration has more than really what's required?
Generous: Yes. Under the proposed guidelines.
Mancino: Okay. So we can cut back when it comes to the actual.
Generous: When I come back, I can use this example and tell you how many they have and
then how many the BC would...
Mancino: Would that be helpful for you Craig?
Peterson: Yes. Absolutely.
Mancino: Okay. Me also. I'd also like to have you and Lotus investigate other ways of
parking. Whether it's more underground, etc. What are the other options? And they may be
prohibitive but still bring out those options if you could. Secondly, window signs. Part of
Vernelle, I know that Ladd asked you about signage. And being a frequent European visitor
and being in a neo- traditional setting quite a lot, one of the most stimulating things about it
are the window displays and in Europe they don't put huge window signs up because they
have the product out very, almost art directed window displays so everybody wants to walk
down the street and everybody wants to go to the shops and everybody wants to look in the
shops and all this kind of stuff. We don't tend to do that here in our strip malls. We tend to
put huge hand lettered signs in our windows and because we're going to have so much
window treatment, and that is something that you want to offer, I didn't see anything in the
signage area about window signs. Are we going to, are you requesting that we stay with the
ordinance of 50 %. Somehow that just doesn't seem like it would work in this sort of
development. So I'd like to see that addressed. You don't certainly need to answer that to me
tonight but if you could address that because it makes a huge visual difference in the
streetscape and in the public area. Along with an articulated vision of the I would also
like to see in writing, to listen to, to read in writing, what traditional village character means.
Architecturally wise. If there could be a _paragraph describing for me the traditional village
character in architectural terms. So that its real clear that there is a direction being set design
wise. I would also like to make sure that, and part of the recommendations is that it is a
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covenant of the development to have the Villages on the Ponds architectural and landscape
' review committee established and maintained during the project. And I'd also like something
about the street furniture recommendations, plants, public art, benches, bicycle racks, also in
the recommendations. I think this would be a wonderful place for public art. And I must
say, I can't really fully support the master landscape plan because it just doesn't show me
much. It's very sketchy so I'm going to be relying mostly on the site plans. I don't feel that
in this development we should keep overstory trees of 208 for replacement. I think that if it
' demands more as boulevard trees, then there should be more as a PUD. And I think those are
all my comments. Do we have a motion at this time?
' Conrad: I'd make a motion that we table this item.
Mancino: Is there a second to the motion?
' Peterson: Second.
Mancino: Okay. The motion is seconded. Any discussion at this point? Now, do you need
to know why we tabled it?
' Aanenson: No. We've got the direction.
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Conrad moved, Peterson seconded that the Planning Commission table the Villages on the
Ponds until the meeting on July 24, 1996. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS:
Mancino: Do we have old business?
' Aanenson: Yes. Just one item. There was four applications for the Planning Commission
and what I was hoping is that maybe we could do it next week. I was just trying to base it
' on how much, it seems like we've kind of condensed. There's two items on next time. Next
on the 24th which you've already got in that packet and this will continue. I'm just looking
for some direction from the Planning Commission is you want to try to do those before. I
' kind of hate to have people come late because you never know exactly when we're going to
end. We've already kind of noticed those hearings for 7:00 so we would have to start more
like 6:30. So whatever your pleasure is on that.
' Mancino: So ou've already given notices a 7:00.
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10. The applicant must apply and obtain all necessary permits from regulatory agencies such
as Lower Minnesota Watershed, Minnesota Pollution Control Agency, U.S. Army Corps
of Engineers, etc.
All voted in favor and the motion carried.
COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM OFFICE /INDUSTRIAL,
INSTITUTIONAL, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE - COMMERCIAL, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL,
INSTITUTIONAL AND OFFICE, PRELIMINARY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR
UP TO 307,000 SQ. FT. OF COMMERCIAL/OFFICE BUILDINGS, 100,000 SQ. FT. OF
INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS, AND 322 DWELLING UNITS; REZONING FROM IOP
AND RSF TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT; PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 13
LOTS AND 3 OUTLOTS AND PUBLIC RIGHT -OF -WAY; WETLAND ALTERATION
PERMIT TO FILL AND EXCAVATE WETLANDS ON SITE• VACATION OF RIGHT -OF-
WAY AND EASEMENTS; ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WORKSHEET (EAW)
FINDINGS; AND INDIRECT SOURCE PERMIT REVIEW FOR THE VILLAGES ON THE
PONDS PROJECT ON 66.12 ACRES LOCATED SOUTH OF HWY 5 BETWEEN GREAT
PLAINS BLVD. AND MARKET BOULEVARD, VILLAGES ON THE PONDS. LOTUS
REALTY SERVICES.
Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item.
Peterson: I still need help with understanding how, the difference between the code provided
in PUD, how we can variance from code. That's what's confusing me.
Generous: Because you're creating a shared parking opportunity and in a mixed development
you're going to have different peak requirements and so you can count on that some of the
parking that would be required in your retail could be, and portions of the church school for
instance, or some of the restaurant uses might be within the office space, which might have a
later peak for, at least in the evening.
Peterson: So provided is.
Mancino: What they showed on their preliminary plat?
Generous: Yes. That master plan that we have.
Mancino: So when we, when two of us said this looks like massive parking.
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Aanenson: It's the ulti- parking plan.
Mancino: It's the pre code or it's the provided?
' Generous: No. What they showed on it, because they have incorporated some of the
standards. The two prairie unit that we were talking about for the residential, they had
already incorporated that into the plans so we were able to drop it there. Half a story per unit
' for the apartments. And the retail about the same. Office, that was just over parked. We
believe the office...
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Mancino: So what we see is what we get?
Generous: No. This would be a maximum that they would do.
Aanenson: Ultimate.
Generous: However it doesn't incorporate all the parking lot landscaping that we would
anticipate as the individual sites comes in. It doesn't incorporate the handicap spaces which
take up additional space and would delete other parking spaces.
Aanenson: The other thing too is we're hoping that we get more street furniture, that sort of
thing. Even the backs of buildings and that may push in some of the parking spaces too. In
the back where it seems like more of the back of the building you've got parking. That we
do some more street furniture or public spaces there and that we have...
Generous: As well as pedestrian ways within the parking lot areas. One of the other things
that we were just provided this afternoon was a new development data table and I handed that
out. They went in to starting to rearranging the northwest corner of the project and if you
look at, just looking at their development tabulation tables, you'll see they've already dropped
approximately 80 parking stalls through redesigning it and increasing some pedestrian access.
I don't want to get into that too far because Mika is going to explain that a little bit more. So
you can see that basically what it shows on this analysis, they've dropped an additional 120
parking stalls and they would be able to meet those.
Mancino: That's what I wanted to know.
Aanenson: Right. Exactly. We believe that it's over parked. That was the question in the
first place. We believe it can come under. That's what Bob's demonstrating here and as each
individual site comes in, we're going to look at that but we believe that, what Bob's looking
at, really you're looking at a true mixed use where you're sharing parking. That's the intent,
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and that's the beauty of a PUD. Each project doesn't fly on it's own merits. They all use
each other and not at peak times. And also we're putting the transit component in here, '
remember because of the mass transit component. That may reduce some of the parking,
some of the people in the residential may not even have cars so we believe that there's
enough there that. '
Generous: One thing that we should point out is that for the apartment buildings, all the
required parking is shown within garages so the 1.5 would be underground parking. '
Bob Generous and Kate Aanenson continued with the staff report '
Mancino: Bob, on page 42, does number 5 need to be there? If we're not going to allow, if
your suggestion, your condition is not to allow the tennis court, why would there be tree '
removal for the tennis courts?
Generous: The first part probably doesn't. We didn't permit plans for parking lot area either. '
That's not in this plan. It might happen. One of our concerns about the location of the
soccer field down on the southern part of the site is where are people going to ... long way for
people to walk.
Mancino: Okay.
Bob Generous continued with his staff report '
Mancino: Okay, any questions? Thank you. Any questions for staff at this time? ,
Joyce: I have one question regarding the soccer field. Access would be with the trail then,
correct? Is that what's been decided? '
Aanenson: Yes.
Joyce: I'm just curious... voted against the soccer field would have no significant value to the '
local soccer associations but then we will have an agreement with St. Hubert's so the CAA
can use the soccer field? Or how's that going to be handled? '
Aanenson I don't know if we can address that. It's really up to the Park and Rec
Commission.
Generous: And St. Hubert's.
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Joyce: So that's just kind of an open ended thing. A joint agreement.
Aanenson: As this moves through the process, they'll all come to terms on exactly what that
negotiation is, sure.
Joyce: Is there any way, I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if we're giving up the natural
area over there, I'd like to have, help me with this. Some sort of agreement that the
community can use this soccer field. I guess I'm trying to see if that's.
Aanenson: ...the commission is saying. That they will take the park and trail fees and use
that money to maybe acquire something else or do something else with the money.
Joyce: Okay, thank you.
Mancino: Okay. Any other questions?
Peterson: Is there any discussion regarding the berming between TH 5 and the project?
Generous: There is a condition in there already that requires a 3 to 5 foot berm and also
we've discussed it with the developer what we anticipate doing.
Aanenson: And again when you see the hotel, which will be one of the first ones coming
through, they'll have to have a specific plan showing that.
t Mancino: And there are others of us that will add a condition to it that there be something
computer generated from the Highway 5 view. Any other questions? Okay. Is the applicant
here and do you wish to make a presentation?
' Vernelle Clayton: Thank you Madam Chair... vernacular which he has done and—northwest
corner of the PUD ... although I'm going to ask you, are you comfortable, we're trying to ... and
' not go over everything twice. He just explained the parking issues. Will that suffice? Are
there other questions on the parking issue?
I Conrad: And you don't have any problems with the recommendation?
Vernelle Clayton: No. No. - As you move through, certain ones will be lost for additional
' landscaping and certain ones will be lost for, currently the handicap stalls... We needed a little
extra for that...
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Mancino: Vernelle, could you cover one other thing and that is that I noticed through my
plans that there seems to be, in the church area, the institutional area, dotted lines around the
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church edifice. I mean it seems to go, I mean is there going to be expansion? Is it planned
for expansion or something?
Vernelle Clayton: ...the dotted lines that would indicate their future expansion and they will...
site plan approval.
Mancino: Okay. I was concerned about impervious surface.
Vernelle Clayton: ...adding onto the school, in that area. That's where they're at.
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Aanenson: Can I address that real quickly? This has a maximum threshold based on the
EAW document so if you get from one, you have to take from somewhere else because
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there's only a maximum that this property can hold, unless you want to go back and amend
the document.
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Mancino: So what does that need?
Aanenson: You may need additional study as far as some of the environmental impacts,
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because they have to be a cap as far as the, and they're at that.
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Mancino: Okay. Does it also mean that we're at impervious surface at a percent? I know
that we have to keep that as we look at the entire site. To make sure that we.
Generous: The proposed, the maximum proposed expansion on that... significant impact on
impervious surface because all their parking would be in place. It would just be the
additional building.
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Mancino: But it may go back for another EAW, okay.
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Aanenson: Right.
Mancino: Thank you. '
Mika Milo: - My name is Mika Milo with ... and I'm back for the second time to explain a
couple particular items. One is the full revision to the northwest area in response to, staff and '
Planning Commission comments and concerns. And I would... This is the views ... it does not.
show any embellishment, trees and shadows or anything at this point ... It shows that northwest
area. The concern that we had voiced from the staff was that we did not have enough ... of a t
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pedestrian situation between the motel and the restaurant, as well as from that northwest
corner to the central area, and also it was sort of thought that maybe a lot of ...parking. In
response to that we have moved ... the building all the way here and ... just in case that we don't
have ... we would need to have also back -up situation from the south... approaching to the motel
on that site. Right now as you see the property from that building... approach from the south...
to re -work that northwest area and this is what we came up with, and I'd like to use that
projector for a moment. As you see that is the northwest edge where the... Here comes TH
101 along here and then here is TH 5 on the top. North is here on the top. So what we did,
we have allowed that turn to happen here and we form now more of a ... parking plaza here
that was not before. Then we move that building further away from that walk. From that
direction towards the hotel and to provide rather a ... good connection straight, right through
here and where you've got sight lines straight to the hotel. Once we reach the hotel site, then
we have provided another landscape... and buffer here and ... east/west side. This is the
north /south side. That it comes, it actually comes first to the road plaza. Again the road
plaza in the northwest area. From here it goes here to north and then from that point, it goes
east or west towards the motel and east towards the restaurant... So that we have four...kind of
a T. This way and that way for the... circulation. These restaurant use would be here and...
Now the restaurant is now going to be rather surrounded with a walker than a back bone, at
least looking at that east side portion. And as we are doing that we are also ... the site area for
there is a motel area and we have this ... instead of being just straight. Going straight like we
have ... is swinging slightly down and up here, thus allowing the hotel to be a little bit wider
and shorter this way. So shorter here but longer here, thus allowing for that straight shot.
Straight approach from the south into the site. That, at the same time lies out all the
buildings here nicely ... so that along that edge we are forming another pedestrian, clear, strong
pedestrian circulation along all these areas. Actually now the people can go all the way from
the southern area with the church and go all along here... pedestrian safe area. Along
this ... going to motel and going to the restaurant or going to the northwest downtown. Very
important... and the northwest connection to downtown with the restaurant and with the pier
point and the promenade and the main street, which is coming from that point. So if this is
the strong, actually that... pedestrian circulation that has... pedestrian walkway and trail to
connect from the downtown over there... By shifting that street slightly this way and
rearranging the buildings, opening up that point there and access point from south, making
this pedestrian situation much stronger in ... as well as connecting the motel and restaurant, we
believe, and also adding these embellished pavements at the plaza and intersection, we believe
that we have enhanced the design of that northwest corner. We have also, on top of that,
there is ... facing TH 101. A storm pond here. All of that may be even will be extended back
one. We are not quite sure. We didn't have much time to organize... incorporate and work
with VFW and ... so that is something to work... This is my brief report on the revisions to the
northwest. Any questions at this point?
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Mancino: Any questions from commissioners? Mika, it's nice the way it gives you an
alternate main street. I mean not quite the same look but.
Mika Milo: And I think that's ... that you have the small 11 x 17 that has been distributed...
what we are showing is just ... the BRW and the landscape portion.
Mancino: Is the concept still to stay towards TH 101 with the lower height buildings? The
one story buildings and become increasingly taller as you go into.
Mika Milo: At the square. We are going in keeping materials.... Shall I move to the next
presentation?
Mancino: Please.
Mika Milo: We spent quite a bit of time trying to prepare really a ... not only for the sake
of-what kind of architecture. What kind of additional village character we would like to
have. That was really excellent question that you asked because that put us into work ... what
did we really want and it's... How we assure that the people ... tell the people what do you like
to see... One kind of examples and guidance to give them as they go ... individual buildings.
That maybe we will not be around all the time but the language will be there and the pictures
and so on and... So we have prepared... what I thought, initially I thought maybe just a single
page of..saying to that respect but ... and so because of the short time we didn't have really a
chance to distribute that to you ... but at least by now I can distribute to you two color copies
and ten black and whites of the text ... so maybe you want to share for now the color ones
and...
Mancino: Did everyone get a black and white? Does staff, do you have one?
Aanenson: Yes.
Mika Milo: What we did on the first three pages we went into the discussion and explanation
of what we would do. What we really mean on traditional... and we explain that traditional...
really means not only the look of the building but we managed to really explain what
everybody's... understand the traditional village character relates to the overall... conceptualize
and to focus then and understand that they are designed... with the master plan itself and
therefore the village has been designed as ... or the street project of the texture. And so those
buildings are not isolated from urban monuments... they are intended to be some self,
expression but rather more modest so that you should one by one ... to create a village, to
create a public feel. This is what we are shying here in the first couple pages. We are
relating to some nice examples that exist... the buildings are there to create the public open
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space and as declarations so that we are sharing... Once we explain that on the first page, we
go to second page and explain about architectural design... expressing individual isolated
buildings on the pad. And number two, that we going to find that architectural ... as well as
sources we are saying that the architecture may... Another source may be the architectural
' example o£.. However in no case shall the architecture lead to the... expression of the ... main
street... all can greatly contribute to what's... traditional European architecture can be also
another source of inspiration... interpretation. ...but even more so in regard to bad
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experiences—for the requirements of more shopping and shared pedestrian oriented streets.
Even though the—the architects must draw upon their own experience... successful examples of
traditional village architecture ... so we show the pictures of the villages and then after that we
' saw the exhibits of-just some examples that we have from TH 5. One is also... street level
because that's where our focus should be architecturally. That shows very interesting...
landscape, pavers... passages, signage ... and the second page, two story. On the second page
' we have two story examples of retail or office and ... of windows are also being used for the
exhibition and show, as much as the first floor. And then we go into the ... arcades and then
signage ... Then we are showing some pictures about restaurants, arcades, and treatments of the
' awnings and the outside seating, as well as ... shows how the projected signs can be very
interested... and then some passages... interesting and just what we are—we have been doing the
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parking ... use the front door from the street rather than the street, the shop being... We want
everybody and the conditions I think as Bob has also done some of the conditions that the
shop owners have to have the main door and the street rather than the parking. They may
t have additional... but the main entrance is from the street, especially for the small shop
owners. Maybe the big ones can have also additional... passageway and that would be ... we do
have these exhibits that ... any questions?
' Mancino: Any questions from commissioners? I just have one but I think I will wait and ask
that of Vernelle.
' Mika Milo: ... Vernelle outlined that I should report ... as far as the parking total numbers ... so
unless you have any questions, or maybe you have anything Vernelle to say.
Mancino: Thank you very much.
' Mika Milo: You're welcome.
Vernelle Clayton: ...number of things that ... talk about landscaping.
' Mancino: Yeah I just had one for you and maybe Bob can respond. And it has to do with,
some with architecture but when I read on page 2 about the village core, the Sector 1, that
' structures may be increased to three stories and a loft, and I don't have a problem with the
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loft. But you know my vision that I keep seeing and keeps being reinforced is that the center
will be three stories and there will be residential up above the retail, office, etc. But when I '
see the word may, there's just this kind of trigger for me. What does that mean?
Vernelle Clayton: ...the plan is that there will be three stories and they may be. Isn't that I
what you were thinking?
Generous: Yes. The thing I wanted to avoid is that if they didn't put the residential on, I '
didn't want them to go higher. That's the limitation. So they have to include residential if
they want to.
Aanenson: To get the height. '
Mancino: To get the height, okay. Thank you. That helps me because I could see one story '
in here and it'd be more like a strip mall effect than it would be your village so I wanted to
ask that question. Thank you. '
Vernelle Clayton: With that ... Dean Olson who is here to talk about the landscaping... so he's
going to talk about that and include in the discussion a little bit about the street furniture... '
Dean Olson: Good evening. What I have here is a copy of the revised site landscape portion
of the package and also some examples of some of the... furnishings. A couple of revisions '
that we made ... on the standards. In Section 1.7, we expanded the statement that says all site
developments, associated plantings which abuts Lake Drive, Main Street and we added and
other prominent drives... additional drive, shall follow up with a landscaping and hard scape '
design established... Down on 1.12 we also added the fact that plant material, the fact that
they should be salt tolerate ... as well for plant material. On the following page, 1.17 we added
hedge plantings shall be utilized ... and further down where we talk about site lightings. At '
staffs recommendations, we're keeping all of the proposed site lightings at a maximum of 20
foot height. We also added under 1.7, decorative pedestrian scale light fixtures may be used
within individual parking and site developments as well. Also down further on site '
furnishings, we mentioned that we wanted to keep this a little bit open and work with the
actual vernacular buildings so we stated the furnishings shall be of the style and color which
is characteristic of the adjacent buildings. A variety of styles and colors is encouraged within '
the PUD. And also finally at the bottom, the introduction of public gardens is encouraged as
well. The package of site furnishings, that you have show the character of the pedestrian scale
or the decorative fixtures that we were thinking about for the project, which obviously has a '
much nicer character than the standard shoe box fixtures. Then the following is that several
pages of various examples of the types of fences that might be used throughout the complex.
Both more expensive teak benches, metal benches with scroll work and also a combination of
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wood and metal and then some of the potential site furnishings for cafe areas and then various
' embellishments that could be added to the faces of buildings. Also include some things that...
and then some examples of some of the... development. First thing I want to do is talk to the
landscape plan. You saw a little bit of what Mika had proposed quickly in terms of changes
' in the northwest portion of the site, and I'll just embellish that a little bit by talking to a
couple things. First, in response to your concern for planting and screening along TH 5.
We're proposing that the pedestrian pathway along ... and also fill that with plant material.
That plant material in that area will probably have to be ornamental scale trees, shrubs and at
the very most evergreen trees because there is the NSP right -of -way or easement which runs
through this portion of the site so that plant material height will be limited by that easement.
' Although you can see it will be pretty heavily planted in here, we're trying to keep some
views open to the signage on the end of the hotel in here. And also in keeping with that,
we're proposing shorter scale ornamental trees up in this portion with the overstory trees on
' the bottom portion of the hotel. Another thing that has been tossed around with staff is the
possibility of making an additional connection around the pond to this side so it can not only
come from the east and move through the site this way, but also possibly from the top edge
' of the pond. In talking with Beth Kunkel, the wetland specialist in our office, she suggested
that that would probably need to be in the very most, the boardwalk type of walkway through
there. That would begin obviously somewhere in here. Carry through to here. It would
really be on the edge of that more open water area and the existing wetland and buffer edge
that would be planted through that zone. And that buffer area would carry around this
t sedimentation pond, up into this corner and then what we're proposing right now is to do a
little more manicured lawn edge along the bottom 2/3 of the pond.
' Mancino: How many white swans will there be in the pond?
Dean Olson: As many as we can attract. Depending upon how many decoys we put out
there. Also we're proposing a berm up in this area to help screen the parking here, although
the view would be sensitive to views to the restaurant or retail ... from the highway corridor.
We are closing it off a little bit here. This represents that existing group of trees that we're
' proposing to save. And of course we need additional buffering along the wetland area. The
overstory trees, Mika had shown them on his plan and I'll just reiterate the fact that we are
looking at trying to provide as strong boulevard entry to the motel/hotel up in this corner and
t also that strong pedestrian connection through this area and to the main floor and to main
street there. And then I'll show you also an image actually looking across the pond to some
of the buildings which... elevations that manicured edge around here. Bringing in the hedge
which we had mentioned last time would be desirable along the top of that lawn area to
screen directly behind it. Then coming in with some planter boxes at various areas across the
facades and then down in this area, a series of steps, actually seat steps down here .with
' plantings within those planted with public flowers, shrubs, that sort of thing. And then vines
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on the actual signage here which starts to close that. And then street trees along this edge at
the front, it will be spaced slightly wider than, we desired a 30 foot spacing so that we get
more open views to the building in that location. And one more piece in large land of
character of main street. And as we had in our narrative, we talked about two types of accent
paving. One which would be down the center portion of main street, but could actually be
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the driving surface through here with parking, bituminous, parking on either side and that
actual drive lane carries through and hits the promenade street at the front of the pond. And
also turns here so really the character of this is so that the accent paving takes over these
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spaces and creates the town square, center portion of the drive lane and this feature element
down here as well. And the curb lines become secondary through this whole area. The
second type of accent paving would be primarily pedestrian circulation through the space and
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along the store fronts and out to this edge and then down out onto here so the ... is here, we
have a grade change somewhere through here and also here and we're proposing probably
about 18 inches or 20 inches here. Somebody can sit along those edges. At the pond edge
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but then also I would manicure the lawn edge for whatever we need to accommodate the
treatment along the promenade. At the store fronts there's some opportunities that if you look
at the pictures that Mika provided, there are a lot of variations on how the actual shop fronts
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can occur in terms of plantings. Little treatments with canopies and so forth but there are
some opportunities with the amount of space that we have in here, of 15 to 16 feet, to come
in and either do plantings at the base of shops, or actually take that planting a little bit further
out and create actual areas for seating for things like restaurants and so forth. There were
some pictures of-tied to the buildings but still had planting at the outer ridge. On these
areas, depending on what the ends of the buildings are. For instance if these were cafes or
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coffee shops, the actual area in here could be open to provide more seating area with tables
and umbrellas and so forth. Really sort of inject some color and some character to that
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simple town square. Or the other option, as I've shown here, is to provide some planter areas.
We need a transit shelter at this location, and then also some benches around the outside
edges there. I foresee this as being an at grade sort of planter... really the edge of that town
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square. And keeping actually the plantings and the trees to the other edges of the square... In
terms of character, do you have any questions?
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Mancino: Anybody have any questions?
Dean Olson: One area that was brought to my attention today is the resolution of the '
retaining walls on the eastern side of the site.
Mancino: Is there a way to also bring a narration element into the storm water ponds on TH
101? I mean those could be just quite nice.
Dean Olson: The edge?
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Mancino: Yeah, the edge here that it's a whole other area.
Dean Olson: There are areas that I've worked with ... in some of those cases the water quality
created, we are fairly deep so we would have the opportunity to do that. The pond out front
right now, I think we're proposing about 4 foot dredging for that area so it'd be about 4 foot
deep.
Aanenson: We've been talking about that one with him too ... revised. We've talked about
making those and get a future. The opportunities ... rather than make it just a pond.
' Mancino: We kind of reflect that the pond would be another main street.
Aanenson: ...buildings along that edge. Take that water out and make it an enhancement
where you've got the treatment ponds. Not the wetlands but the treatment ponds and if you
see, maybe revise that and put walking out there. It'd be a good place to sit. Again, kind of
' bringing the public, the furniture and the open space and art or something like that. Take
advantage of those opportunities.
Dean Olson: I did take some liberties with the pond edges and trying to do some...
Mancino: Thank you Dean.
Vernelle Clayton: ...I have determined that we can talk a little bit about signs at the same
time that we review our response to the conditions of approval. With that ... about soccer
fields. From the soccer association... Jay Johnson and Randy Koepsell.
Jay Johnson: I didn't have anything. We're here just to support it.
Vernelle Clayton: Okay... building preparation and...
Dave Bangasser: I'm Dave Bangasser. I'm a member of the Building Committee and I'm
actually here in that capacity as opposed to represent Opus. We talked last week about this
ballfield being an important issue to St. Hubert's. I mentioned last week that we had some
plans that we were developing to hopefully alleviate some of the concerns and so on and I
think we've seen from the Park and Rec meeting last night that there has been some
developments in the plans and the Park and Rec supported those plans but I wanted to just
take a couple of minutes to maybe explain to the commission why it's important to St.
Hubert's. St. Hubert's is growing quite rapidly, along with the rest of Chanhassen. I think as
of about the first of year we were over 1,600 families and we were growing by something
like a family a day I think it was. Like 350 families in 1995. So we're growing quite rapidly
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along with the rest of Chanhassen. We anticipate within 10 years we'll be about 3,000
families. If you translate families into parishioners, it might be something like 9,000
parishioners and if you translate that into youth, it's maybe 3,000 or 4,000 youth. The school
may have some day up to 700 or 800 kids in the day school. An awful lot of people and an
awful lot of youth. Clearly one of the reasons we're looking to expand is to expand our
programs here has really been lacking. I think it's fairly clear that we need green space. Yes,
we've got some green space for recess off of the south of the school and we're also planning a
portion of the parking lot be designed and have it used for recess—or a popular basketball
area that could be used for parking ... but I think clearly there's a need for a play area.
Efficient play area besides just the recess. We've got a number of soccer teams, ball teams of
various sorts and we need some space for that. I wanted to talk a little bit about the why
maybe some other locations we felt didn't work. Just as staff has recommended that we look
at placing the ballfield up north of the trail, that was clearly the churches first choice. In our
first 15 -20 plans that we did had the ballfield north of the trail. And I think that one of the
things that we've clearly seen, and you've talked about at the opening of the meeting tonight.
One of the big benefits of a PUD in this development is the shared parking. And of all the
various plans that we've looked at, placed the ballfield, or a little over 2 acres, a 2 acre
ballfield north of the trail. It took up parking and building space is what it comes down to. I
think there's been some comment previously that that area north of the trail kind of east of
TH 101 and north of the trail is fairly dense as it is. To try to squeeze that 2 acre ballfield
into that, clearly something's got to give. That something we think is at least 80 to 100
parking stalls. To eliminate 80 to 100 parking stalls and replace them somewhere else, I
think there's several buildings that end up having to drop out. As buildings drop out, again
shared parking drops away and it's almost a domino effect and I think it has a very significant
impact on the overall effect of what the villages concept is all about. If you're going to put
the ballfield in lieu of buildings. So with that we felt that it wasn't viable to place the
ballfield north of the trail, much as we'd like to. We just felt it wasn't viable. We are
reasonably comfortable with the access. It's 400 to 500 feet away from the other parking lot.
Clearly we'd love it to be 2 feet away but we think 500 feet is not an unreasonable distance,
particularly since we do have the space within the main property for recess and those types of
activities. I want to talk just a little bit about some adjustments that we've made around the
plan. We've made a few adjustments to the plan that have been submitted as part of the PUD
and in order to mitigate some of it, concerns for putting the ballfields in this location. One of
the concerns, one of the bigger concerns has been tree loss and the significant trees and so on
and so forth, that the significant trees have been mapped out and the majority of the
significant trees are actually, the majority of the significant trees on the west side of the knoll
are actually within the Highway 101 right -of -way and will need to be removed in order to
construction the new TH 101. There is, I believe only one 12 inch ash that is about this
location that this particular plan requires - tree removal. What the PUD originally showed is
that the ballfield was located basically right along the east property line here and tucked up
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against the south property line as well. What that would have done was removed the only
' other significant trees on this knoll, which is on this east bank and there are some nice trees
here. There's a tree, if you look at the significant tree survey, something like 90% of them
are box elder and cottonwood and so called weed trees. There are some nice trees along this
bank that we think we can save. We're confident can be saved. This is a 36 inch burr oak
here and a 23 inch burr oak here. A couple of 12 inch red oaks and a number of 12 to 17
inch ask. What we've done is we've moved the ballfield away from this slope and these trees
' in order to save them. We've also raised the ballfield up in order to deal with the grade
change, primarily from these significant trees of 36 inch oak. We're locating the ballfield at
approximately the same elevation as this oak tree so we have minimal impact on that oak. In
' addition to shifting the ballfield in order to save the remaining significant trees, we're also
proposing that we would construct a landscape buffer by adding additional trees, ornamental
trees and deciduous trees and that type to restore a little bit of that natural feel. I know that
it's not the same kind of feel as leaving that brushy... because I think the bulk of this is brush
and we've talk about that with staff and...
I Mancino: Called new growth trees.
' Dave Bangasser: What's that?
Mancino: Saplings. New growth, next generation of trees.
' Dave Bangasser: Right, that are there now and so on. And again I'm not saying that this is
going to look like it but it is still going to be open space. Either way it's open space and it
' won't be exactly the same but maybe there's also some benefits in that I think it may open up
the views now as you drive down TH 101 and not only be able to see Lake Susan to the west
but also see Rice Marsh Lake to the east. That's really all I wanted to indicate. Again it's an
important issue to St. Hubert's and either way it's going to be open space. It's going to be
green space. I think there are some benefits, not only to St. Hubert's but also we have I think
a history of cooperating with the city and other organizations within the city for joint use and
' things and ... talk about that. Clearly the summertime there's no school, whereas we don't
typically use, we don't anticipate using the ballfield a great deal. I would also think that it's
also time when the neighborhood is, the neighborhood kids are out of school and maybe that's
' a time when there's additional demand for parks in these areas so with that I'll stop what I
had to say here, unless you have any questions, I'll be happy to address them.
Mancino: I just have a couple for staff. Bob this is, this space is 100% canopy coverage.
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Mancino: Correct. It's not 80. It's not 70. It's not 60.
Generous: Based on my analysis.
Mancino: Okay. And there would be, I'm assuming complete grading. There's a 30 foot, 25,
20 foot grading that would need to come out to flatten it.
Generous: 20. Of course we haven't seen the revised. They said they had raised this
elevation so.
Dean Olson: What this plan would do, I think the top of the hill is at 904. What we're
anticipating is that it would all be at about 10 feet lower than that so we'd end up with about
a 20 foot knoll with closing it. Essentially we'd take the top of the knoll and slide it to the
northwest so we're again about halfway up on the knoll.
Mancino: My second question is, in the office building that is north of this, right here, is
there underground parking underneath this building at this time?
Generous: Not on the one story design. When Alternate A would have underground parking
Mancino: This one. If it has residential on the second?
Generous: No, that's an instance where we don't have residential above but they increased the
office space so they provided some underground parking.
Mancino: Okay, so if it goes from one story to two story, the two story Alternate A would
include some underground parking.
Generous: Correct.
Mancino: For the second story. Otherwise, if it's one story it doesn't have any underground
parking?
Generous: Not as it's shown on the site, master plan. t
Mancino: I'm just trying to find options of other parking areas. Okay. Any questions for -
Dave at this point? '
Conrad: Just to reiterate. There's only one significant tree?
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Dave Bangasser: This plan that we're proposing, we believe it only will eliminate one 12
' inch ash tree. Other than the trees that are already being lost by TH 101.
Mancino: Which are the majority of the significant?
' Dave Bangasser: Correct.
' Mancino: Okay. Thank you very much.
Vernelle Clayton: ...Next I would like to talk—we have the AmericInn folks with us ... hour is
' moving on I'm going to try and do this in a way that you all can focus on their issues before
us and ... and with that I'd like to move to the requested modifications to conditions of approval
and the first item is that we ... is delete conditions 4, 7, 14 and the second bullet at Condition
15—soccer field. The next item would be to ... are the ones that relate to the soccer field.
Number 2, we want to accept condition number 6 provided a change is made. One of them
was just pointed out by Bob and that was the tying in of the ... Another is, we have a couple
' others... I wanted to talk a little bit about the AmericInn. The land use that we're proposing
and for that we ... The AmericInn is the only building that is proposed to be three stories and
' so we're proposing the following language, within Sector II the top of the signs shall not
extend greater than 35 feet above the ground. The reason for that is that the language
previously proposed... that the top of signs throughout could not be higher than 20 feet ... after
' the last meeting that would work ... We also are suggesting that ... tenant/logo signs shall be
permitted. That language is already there... There are a lot of reasons why a 30 foot high
sign on the top of 30 -35 feet at that location, it is a three story building. It would support
' that ... This is an important issue for them... We have just committed to putting in some
landscapings in that area in order to screen the cars that are parking in our parking lot... it's
very important to them, and very important to us. And I'd like to...
' Truman Howell: My name is Truman Howell. Truman Howell Architects. I'm an architect
for the AmericInn project here, and we have brought forward a design for the building with
' signage at 35 feet above grade which we feel... certainly would not be objectionable sign for
this development. We feel that it would be necessary to have the sign in that location, not
only because of the steady stream that will be along the Highway 5 access way but also ... we
' do need the opportunity to have that exposed to traffic coming both ways on TH 5... If there
are any questions, obviously tonight we're not bringing the site plan for you to review but we
- - do feel that this is a very important part of our project. If there are any questions I could
' answer.
Mancino: So you're asking for just blanket permission for 35 foot signs? Anywhere in this
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Truman Howell: No ma'am. Only on the building that we're talking about, the motel itself.
Mancino: Or in the rest of Section II. Any building that is on the highway. I
Vernelle Clayton: That is three stories high. I
Generous: Vernelle has some language.
Aanenson: There is a copy of the plan that was passed out. That shows the 35 feet. A ,
sketch plan they gave us tonight. '
Truman Howell: I believe you have a sketch of the...
Aanenson: Just to give you some background of where the staff. ,
Truman Howell: ...towards Highway 5... questioning the height for the obvious reasons that ,
you saw on the landscape plan. That's a fairly heavily treed area, and will continue to be, as
well as the berming which we have not seen...
Mancino: So that decision can also be made at site plan review. ,
Aanenson: Well I guess that's the question. There's two issues. First of all we said there ,
would be no pylon signs. They wanted a pylon sign. The second issue that we said, they
don't have the channelized letters so they came back and said, well that doesn't work for us so
they want to take what would have been the pylon sign to put it on the building. Okay, so ,
it's not channelized letters so there's kind of two issues that we...
Truman Howell: It's primarily a logo. If you've seen any of...that is the logo for AmericInn. '
Aanenson: As I was saying, the concern that we have is, once you put one on there, whether
it's a logo or not, what's to prevent somebody else? Now beyond the height issue is
somebody else doing the same, we were trying to go to the channelized letter. So I guess our
concern was when we looked at this is that, if we put it go on this one, then there was
pressure for some of the other uses that may come in under corporate or have the visibility '
issue along TH 101 that they want the same. So I guess we need, if it could be integrated
into the, somehow that we felt okay, this would be the one, again along this sector, if it's
integrated. I mean it talks about height here but that doesn't mean you can't have other ones '
integrated the same way, and our objective was to have as many channelized, have - them all
channelized. So if you are going to do something, we need to be specific on this because this
is the PUD standards for the whole thing, and that's why they're here right now because once '
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you address these as they move their way through, these become the standards for all them so
' the way it was written here reflects separate too but if you have issues about that specific
building or buildings within Sector II or how you can be specific as you feel you need to be
regarding that.
' Mancino: Well, okay. Any other questions for Truman at this time? Ladd? Any questions
of Truman?
' Joyce: Can we take it on a site by site basis or is that what you're saying we can't do, right?
' Generous: This is the standards.
Aanenson: Right. Then what have we got? I guess that's what we're trying to say. There's
' some architectural uniformity here and that we have kind of put one in place but then we're
saying the first person in the door, it isn't going to meet their needs so here we are.
' Mancino: But as we've always discussed, signs have a lot to do with color. Has a lot to do
with the garishness. How big it is, etc, so all of that plays an important part to just do a
master and say yes or no at 20 feet or at 35 feet. A lot of it depends on the design of the
sign and how it works in with the building architecturally. So that's why it's very hard to sit
up here right now and just do a blanket yes or no.
' Aanenson: Right. I guess our concern is, if you take this off, right now it doesn't allow for
that anywhere else. There's no, that doesn't allow. We made a special provision for Sector
' 11. Some other sort of sign treatment because of their needs. So if you don't put that in
there, you'd have to amend the development contract.
' Mancino: Is there any other way to have some flexibility here?
Vernelle Clayton: ...Section I1...35 feet. Can we say in Sector II the height be determined by
' site plan approval?
Aanenson: That's fine but then you're taking, you have to understand they may not give you
' 35 feet. They may give you 10.
Vernelle Clayton: I know but I think that they're more likely to be comfortable to give them
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Truman Howell: The problem that we have is that visibility, as you know with any motel
operation is very important. It is the, especially... it would be the only sign that we are able to
use.
Mancino: But it also has to fit within the character of the Villages on the Pond and that's
what we want to make sure that we don't have an auto related use that sticks out there that
does not fit in with the rest of the character of the Villages on the Pond and there's no way
that we can be, that I could approve it without knowing that. Without seeing the architecture
of the whole building. I don't know, are there any comments?
Peterson: Right now we're discussing the same exact thing. The impression that this rough
draft gives doesn't fit with the ambience that ... has been presenting for the last few months.
So that's my first impression. My first impression. I won't speak for Ladd but my first
impression is that the height doesn't bother me as much as potentially as the sign size and
character fits into, or doesn't fit into it.
Aanenson: If we leave it the way it's written right here, in the before. Within Section II
architecturally building integrated panel signs may be permitted. If you want to put some
caveat, and I could check with the attorneys... but this says depending on how it architecturally
relates to the building scale, whatever other things we want to put...
Vernelle Clayton: ...without the height because otherwise we will have to ... higher signage.
Mancino: No, you're saying we won't have to. We'll make sure that we have that flexibility.
Truman Howell: Well obviously it's...
Mancino: Well I think you're hearing our reservations.
Truman Howell: Yes I hear them.
Vernelle Clayton: ...The signs, the reference to the sign changes are attached to the list of
requested modifications. It'd probably be a good idea just to move right into them. They
relate to paragraph 2(d).
Mancino: I'm sorry Vernelle; where are you?
Vernelle Clayton: On the sheet here that says requested modifications to conditions of
approval. I discussed item number 1 and - we are ... discuss item number 2(d). All the sign
comments attached on the attached page.
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Mancino: Okay.
Vernelle Clayton: I'm still, Kate, are you going to look at paragraph...?
' Aanenson: Yeah, we're going to take that out and leave it the way it's written in the
development contract. And changing the language as per City Attorney.
' Vernelle Clayton: Right. Okay. There is one change in that area which, if you look at the
underlined language on the second line from the bottom ... we need to have something in there
for your sign. Then in Sector III, one sign for the church and one sign for the school may be
' placed on streetscape walls. However, the top of the signs shall not extend greater than 8 feet
above the ground. I thought... probably as high as you would want and what we wanted to
accomplish here was interpretation of what constitutes a wall, when we're talking about wall
' signs. Within here... pursuant to the negotiations that we had with them, in an effort to bring
our building closer to the street... it's not flat, although they have made a ... so we've
' recommended that they have some street walls constructed which ... bring it up to the street and
also the... That then would be the wall that we're referring to that we want to fit the definition
of a wall sign.
' Mancino: Okay.
' Aanenson: We also submit they'll probably put something on there like church service hours
and that sort of thing. I mean that's a given ... there may be some sort of...changeable copy. I
think that's kind of accepted with... But we want it architecturally.
' Mancino: But we need to look at it architecturally ... fits in.
' Aanenson: Yes... Bulletin board.
Vernelle Clayton: Number two of the existing language. Randy Herman, we talked with
' Randy and he said given the look that we want to see and the pictures we've all seen of
signage, the existing language fits what we think we're trying to do and he said I would really
recommend that you ... want to do and this is the list that he provided. One would be exposed
' neon and then he recommended fibre optics because that's kind of the thing of the future.
Open channel with exposed neon. Channel letters with acrylic face. Reverse channel letters
(halo lighted). Externally illuminated by separate lighting source. Do you want us to, are
you comfortable with that or do you want us to add ... We talked about that we didn't want
spotlights.
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Generous: Yeah. There might be some instances where you might want it up lit. I think that
would be a function of the site plan review.
Mancino: Yeah, I was just going to ask, are we getting too specific here?
Generous: Well this is pretty flexible. There's five different choices.
Aanenson: I guess they want to make sure that we're using the correct jargon for the lighting
industry. I guess that's the direction, that's fine.
Mancino: Okay. So you don't have any problem with that?
Aanenson: No.
Mancino: Anyone on the commission?
Conrad: I'm getting a little confused.
Mancino: Me too.
Aanenson: These are different types of individual letters. We're saying that they're not all
going to be brass with a light behind it. There's different options. These are the different
ones. Using the correct terminology for lighting.
Conrad: Yeah, and I do like the flexibility but it's terribly difficult.
Mancino: I don't know what they are.
Aanenson: Right. Well that's part of
Mancino: I mean I can't say yes to this list. I don't know what they are.
Aanenson: Well that's part of what the design book's going to do. I mean for example.
Were we happy with the, you know instead of having it inset, or excuse me, individual letters.
The inset we had with Capelli. You know the carve into the stone.
Mancino: Yes.
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Aanenson: Right, exactly. So we're saying there's different approaches to it and this covers
' all that. We've gone through it with them. Looked at all the different designs. They've just
got the different terminology on there.
' Mancino: Okay. I just, we just want to have flexibility also to say that it architecturally,
design wise has to be right.
Aanenson: And we believe we've got that. Right. We don't want them all to be the same.
We want some variety, depending what the building is.
' Vernelle Clayton: I think we're all comfortable... there are other areas... we're comfortable. Do
you want me to go through a, b, c, d and kind of explain what I understand it to be? Or are
you comfortable?
Mancino: No, but I do think that we need to come in for individual site. I mean you will
need to bring examples of what that is.
Generous: You'll get a booklet and have the colors. I mean if it's going to be neon, etc.
Down to detail and that we do have the ability to say, no or smaller or.
Vernelle Clayton: Otherwise... Sector II, that's art of what we're keeping ...Any questions on
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Aanenson: That's still a maybe, depending on what we work out as far as language.
' Vernelle Clayton: Right.
' Peterson: You're responding to which one Kate?
Aanenson: Right underneath, Sector II. Integrated panels may be permitted. That's going to
' say you're going to look at the architecture. How it relates to the building, and we're going to
put some other criteria in there that gives you that flexibility to say yeah, it works here at this
height or it doesn't.
' Vernelle Clayton: Well I should point out Kate, that's not new language. What I'm pointing
out here is a change...
Aanenson: But it says shall. Shall be permitted.
' Vernelle Clayton: Would be may...?
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Aanenson: Yes.
Vernelle Clayton: Oh, okay. ,
Mancino: So we'll keep it with may. I
Vernelle Clayton: Alright. Number 3. The change that we're recommending there... earlier
when we went through this before and just adding at the end ... 15% of the sign area, to add '
logos. In some cases the whole sign is their logo and so we had to add unless the logo is the
sign... awning signs ... 12 inches high and building architecture. I think that... ,
Mancino: When you say awning signs, you just mean silk screen lettering on the awning.
Vernelle Clayton: Yeah. ,
Mancino: On the fabric.
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Vernelle Clayton: ...yes.
Mancino: Vernelle, one of my conditions or one of the things I wanted to change in this area
is on (1). Is 1 under signage, excuse me. And that is in the middle, 1, 2, 3. The fourth
sentence on page 22. Or I'm sorry, 1. It's getting late. Number 1 under signage. About the
project identification sign with a maximum height of 28 feet. Again, I think the ordinance is
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20 feet and I want to be able to, once the signage comes in, a drawing of it, etc, once we see
it in scale with the other buildings in that Sector II, I don't want to say 28 feet right now, yes.
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I want to have the flexibility that when it comes in that we can discuss the height. So I'm not
saying yes or no.
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Aanenson: Maximum height of 20 feet. It may be allowed to go higher is architecturally
compatible as approved by the Planning Commission.
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Mancino: Exactly. I mean we haven't seen the sign. We don't know what it looks like. We
have no detail.
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Vernelle Clayton: ...we need to show that it's compatible with... We may not be able to show
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Mancino: And some relationship to the trees and the plantings. Just so we get a realistic. I
mean we've only seen renderings but.
Vernelle Clayton: Do you have any other questions of Truman...? Bob are you?
Generous: Yeah, address the window signage.
Vernelle Clayton: No, I didn't address that because we didn't have any.
Mancino: Do you feel comfortable with that Vernelle on page 24? The 25 %?
Vernelle Clayton: I was a little uncomfortable the first time I read it and I hope that it's not
subject to misinterpretation because I do hope that we can have a whole window that has the
neat lettering like ... Amish Quilts start at $19.95... I hope that's the interpretation.
Generous: Yes.
Vernelle Clayton: Okay.
Mancino: And you're fine with the second about the garishness and the neon paint and,
okay. Any other questions or comments of Vernelle at this point on the signage? Okay.
Vernelle Clayton: We're now moving away from signage but still in number 2 where it's
condition number 6. We agree to, this is now we're getting back to, there are standards that
are referenced. On page 19. The highlighted material in paragraph (e)(2). As of the four
materials... the intent and concerning vinyl siding for residential, if that would ... the residential
portion above the retail, which we would like to have a wooded kind of look in some cases
be allowed to use vinyl. That they, not ... because it's more expensive than what ... but rather on
that... particularly when they end up someplace... so that's the reason for I think the vinyl
siding, the option for vinyl siding. Again, not for all of them but...
Mancino: I think that our concerns were two fold. Number one, on the western side of TH
101 where it is all residential, that that not be a three -four story building completely vinyl
sided. And two, that the upper portions in the core downtown area, core main street area, not
be, those two and three stories, not be completely vinyl sided but have some other materials
with it. To give it the flavor and the variation that we're looking for.
Vernelle Clayton: ...intent of the materials incorporated...
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Brad Johnson: I think we're saying the same thing... Our real concern has been ... It's just that
we're now seeing that it really holds up. It is cheaper. A lot of cheaper this way...
Aanenson: To just change that, vinyl siding in the residential instead of as a support, or with
support materials.
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Brad Johnson: Yeah...
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Vernelle Clayton: Any discussion on that before we go onto something else?
Mancino: No.
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Vernelle Clayton: On page 21, under roof accents ... it would be our interpretation that we be
permitted to adding ... not a bad idea to add, and that is that in the area of roof accents, add the
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following. Accent elements on roofs such as towers, turrets, spires, and that's supposed to be
etc., may be higher than the roof heights prescribed.
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Aanenson: That's already in the code. We dust want to make sure it's clear because of the
PUD. Those architectural features can go higher.
Vernelle Clayton: And condition number 16. This is something I mentioned the other night
and took... Final plat approval shall be contingent upon, clarification of the issues relating to
the vacation of Great Plains Boulevard, and portions of Trunk Highway 101 lying westerly of
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the future Trunk Highway 101 corridor. We know there are some ... to resolve those problems
and add as much flexibility...
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Mancino: Okay.
Vernelle Clayton: And condition number 23 ... the other night. While we re- designed the
northwest corner ... that we might not be able to provide a right -in and right-out ... and we want
to put that. That is also something...
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Aanenson: We can't put that in there though I don't think. Can we?
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Vernelle Clayton: Well we put it's up to MnDot.
Hempel. Could you repeat that?
Aanenson: It's up to the traffic study.
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Hempel: A combination of MnDot jurisdiction and also the results of the traffic study.
Aanenson: So we understand the issue that you want the ability to have it but we're saying
that's contingent upon the City's review of the traffic study and ... If you want to enhance it just
' say subject to MnDot and City approval.
Vernelle Clayton: Okay. Alright. Then condition number 41. Again, something that
' happened the other night... provided there is in place an agreement that the City will turn back
the portion of existing 101 which the future 101 will replace. Dedicate...
Hempel: Point of clarification...
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Vernelle Clayton: Number 49. We really want that condition deleted. That's pretty scary. A
pretty scary thought for a number of reasons.
Generous: 48?
Vernelle Clayton: 48. You don't have a 49.
Aanenson: That's really scary.
Vernelle Clayton: ...present Council members but I just certainly don't have a clue who might
be on the Council 5 years from now and, or the Wards and St. Hubert's and ... and all the folks
that have ... between now and next year there will be many, several million dollars spent on
this and to do that based on a change of heart of a Council in 5 years is really scary. I don't
think that's what you're looking for. I think what you're looking for is probably is a chance to
review... wouldn't have an objection I don't think if you want that language ... but if we can get
financing, I don't think we could get people to buy. I don't know if St. Hubert's would want
to be out there if they thought in 5 years the entire concept could change. I don't think
anybody would buy for example one of these sites up on the pond if they thought, or
certainly not down on the lower portion down in here, if they thought this part was not... could
be changed to office warehouse. I mean it's something that was—and I don't think that's what
was intended.
Mancino: Well one of the discussions that was around this was when we got together, the
Planning Commission and the City Council, it was about a year ago and we were looking at
subdivisions that had PUD contracts from 10 years ago. That we were kind of still stuck with
and there were some things that we wanted to add to it that we weren't able to. And so the
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suggestion was brought up, we should have some sort of a sunset so that we can add some
conditions, whether it's in the environmental area because now we're doing wetlands '
differently, etc. Some of them have such a long life that 10 or 12 years later you look at
what you thought was a good at that time, and when things weren't built out and it took them
12 years to build out, we didn't want to have, we wanted the options. The city wanted more '
options. That's how it came up to a discussion item.
Vernelle Clayton: Without having thought this out however, one of the things we're trying to '
accomplish here ... to some extent is something that people can depend on. There usually is
something unique about a PUD and we need to be able to depend on the fact that it's not...
Now on the other hand, there are differences between the Market Square PUD or a residential
PUD and this specific. This is a mixed use PUD where there's much more reliance on the
integration of all the parts. '
Mancino: And the flexibility.
Vernelle Clayton: Correct. So yes, that flexibility has to be there but also as we heard I '
think in, I don't recall ... is that predictability of what's going to happen to your property and to
the property next to you is causing the value to be and the investment, contrary to what it
might be on the corner of South Minneapolis... you might end up with a Holiday station down
on the corner. You know here you won't have that but if we say it can be changed in 5
years, suddenly you ... and who's to say what might be fun and interesting to people in 5 years '
that certainly wouldn't fit with... And in addition to that, we'll have lots of covenants and
restrictions...
Mancino: Will they be reviewed and updated? '
Vernelle Clayton: You can amend covenants by whatever percentage you put in the By -laws I
and usually it goes to...
Mancino: Yeah, I agree with that. Any questions from commissioners on those? Or any I
comments.
Conrad: I think it's a tough condition. I wouldn't want to get into a project where you said ,
the rules are going to change in 5 years. If we can think of something better, more
appropriate, or define what talking about. I don't know that I could do it right now.
Aanenson: Bob can.
Mancino: Okay, Bob. You're on. '
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Generous: I did, well we might make it onerous on the developer that the developer shall 5
years after the final approval of the plat review the development, the status of the
development. Compliance with conditions of approval and the development design standards
and conditions of approval and may, in conjunction with the city revise the standards and
conditions.
Brad Johnson: I don't think the developer can do that. The owners can. You've got to
remember, it's all...
Generous: Yeah but then, are they assignees? As an association.
Brad Johnson: I think you're into an area that... unless we have some legal document that
would hold them on forever. Think about the townhome project... This is just an association.
The Rottlund project... Are you changing anything in there right now? Everybody's moved in.
I don't know how we'd do it. I know they ... it's multiple buildings ... I just don't know how you
can say, let's say the City Council decides somebody owns 5 acres in here and the City
Council says I don't like the plan. I'd like to build a big box ... and the City Council at that
time says fine. What does that mean to the other owners? I don't know how to do it.
Aanenson: Well we've got the reverse concern though too. They come in and want to
change something themselves. I mean that can happen too.
Brad Johnson: Yeah we can change. We can always come in to change things.
Mancino: It's one sided.
Aanenson: Yeah.
Mancino: Because that's what we found out with these other PUD contracts. We're about to
get a new tree preservation ordinance.
Aanenson: The development contract is ... at any time, it's recorded and the development
contract can be amended at any time. Whether, if they're selling off the property. An owner
comes in, can ask for it to have that piece of property rezoned. The development contract
amended. That's a rezoning. That can be done at any time. They have that right to do that.
Mancino: They have that right to do that.
Aanenson: To ask for it, yeah. An amendment to the development contract, you bet.
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Mancino: And I'm just saying on the other side of the foot, as a business person, I mean the
city needs these options too. As I said, when we had our old PUD ordinance and we have a
new tree preservation and we couldn't put it in because the PUD ordinance, or the PUD
contract was set in place in 1986.
Brad Johnson: What you have to do is go to your law office and say, is this legal? Or is it...
I mean there is an area where you've got property rights and all kinds of stuff. There's a lot
of reasons the city can't ... after they approved it the first time. But I don't know.
Aanenson: Sure, you could go back and rezone it. The City could.
Mancino: Okay. Is that something you could have just Roger review and look at? Leave it
out for now and if it needs to come up.
Aanenson: We can talk about it at Council...
Mancino: Yeah, because I know there was one of the Council members who did bring it up
Okay. Is that it?
Vernelle Clayton: I think so. Oh I'm sorry, Dave asked...
Dave Bangasser: The roof issue came up here earlier and I was asking Mika what it all
meant and part of that ... if the church and schools were going to have 50% sloped roof. Is
that the way it's written now?
Mika Milo: ...current design of the church and school...
Dave Bangasser: What our intent is, by the way is that the first ... beyond that, the school and
the gymnasium and the office portion, if you know, administration offices would be proposed
to be a flat roof. We do have a number of areas that have an eyebrow along the top of the
roof line that projects out about 4 feet and slopes down as to kind of highlight it but... Our
intent was that I think...
Mika Milo: The slope roof is mainly meant for the residential portion.
Aanenson: And the commercial. It wasn't just for residential. What Sector is that?
Generous: That's Sector III.
Peterson: What page are you on?
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Generous: Page 20.
Mancino: Page 20, number 11.
Aanenson: Yeah, the church is in Sector III.
Mancino: It says a minimum of 50% of the roof area shall be sloped.
Aanenson: Are they attached?
Mancino: The church and the school?
Generous: Yes.
Aanenson: Dave, if they're attached, would you say 50% if they're attached?
Mancino: The church and the school.
Dave Bangasser: Well they are...
Aanenson: I know but ... 50% if both buildings, if the units are attached.
Dave Bangasser: Sorry, I can't answer that question... We're about a third right now. But
again in addition to that we cannot, the intent of a sloped roof is to provide some ... slope roof
on the church has the eyebrow in several locations.
Vernelle Clayton: Well we're ... is there some language we can use here similar to that?
Mancino: What is staffs recommendation?
Aanenson: Do you want to just take everybody...
Mancino: No, there have to be some guidelines.
Aanenson: Well yeah. That's our point. Yeah.
Dave Bangasser: Can you see what we're looking at...
Aanenson: Sure, yeah. Yeah, I do.
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Vernelle Clayton: Why don't we just say that the ... in Sector III.
Mancino: And that's the only building?
Generous: That's the only building.
Mancino: Okay. I haven't seen it. I don't know what to say.
Aanenson: We'll call it the St. Hubert's special...
Mancino: Okay. Anything else, because I think this is going to take a while. Any other
comments?
Vernelle Clayton: I have none. Thank you for your time. Oh I guess I should really say
thank you also to staff and all of you and all of the time that you have spent... preparing for
all this and all the time staff has spent. And we're not done. You guys have ... but we really
enjoyed all the cooperation. It's a great project to work on. Thank you.
Mancino: Thank you. I am going to not open this for a public hearing. Well first of all, is
there anyone here who wanted to say something at the public hearing? That wasn't here the
last meeting. Seeing none, I will go ahead for commissioners comments. With the addition,
the comments of adding modification of the conditions of approval. Obviously the comments
for the soccer field, I think is one of the bigger ones. And any other comments that you
would like to make. Craig.
Peterson: Again in reality I think we've hashed through a lot of the issues. I think the
predominant one left is the soccer field. The issues that I had last week, I think have been
adequately addressed and if you recall my comments on the soccer field last time is that I
wasn't negative if we could make the transition somewhat reasonable so it's not a stark field.
I think the idea of bringing the elevation up a little bit. Moving the soccer field towards the
road so you save some of the trees. That further alleviates any concerns that I might have
had before so I stand in favor of leaving the soccer field there. Ideally I'd like to have that
left a wooded area to fit with the original intent of some transition areas. But I also don't see
that it fits logically anywhere else. At least in my humble opinion. I think all the other
modifications that have been talked about tonight are reasonable. My other big concern about
parking I think Bob has done a great job in really addressing that, and I'm still concerned but
I'm less concerned than I was last week_ It still has the feel of a lot of parking but as staff
has reviewed, we need to look at each plan that comes forth and address that. I think we can
do that effectively. So all and all it's been a long and at times tiring road but I think that we
are, in my mind, there and I'm ready to move ahead and say yes.
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Mancino: Thank you. Ladd.
Conrad: I agree with most of what Craig just said. A couple quick points. Has staff
reviewed the landscape for the soccer field prior? Have you seen what was presented prior to
tonight?
Aanenson: No. But we'll see it with the site plan that St. Hubert's has already submitted.
You'll be seeing that on the 26th. 7th.
Mancino: Of August?
Aanenson: Yes.
Conrad: Yeah, we're not meeting again in a couple days are we?
Mancino: Next month.
Conrad: Over flow from Pond 2000, where does that go?
Hempel: I'll double check with Pond 2000.
Conrad: That's the main one. That's our reflecting pool, as Kate likes to call it.
Hempel: That would flow easterly... along Highway 5 ... towards Rice Marsh.
Conrad: Okay. That 35 foot standard on signage, height wise. Was that standard set from
the sign ordinance? Is that where we picked that up or did we just make it up?
Generous: We just.
Conrad: Pulled it, okay.
Generous: Technically it's, for wall signs it's the building height which would be 40 feet...
Conrad: I like a lot of the things I heard tonight. It's terribly confusing. You know you
guys are working with it and for us to come in, even though we worked with it for months,
it's still confusing so it's tough to get really into the nits and nats on this. It's almost, want to
just say hey, get it out of here. Which we'll hopefully do but a couple issues I think have to
happen, and I guess Kate has just said they will. I've struggled with the soccer field and
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my only concern was putting it down, and also seeing how Highway 101 has just taken care
of the bulk of the real big trees. It makes it a little bit easier to go with what's recommended.
What I really want to do, and we will get that option. We personally, if we approve this, is
when it comes back in, I want to make sure that that is all in sync with the surroundings in
terms of landscaping. I want to see it fit in the area. I don't want to just see it stand out.
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I'm still terribly concerned with parking and access. I think we've all identified all the
problems. On the other hand, I'm not sure that we can't make it a place where people can...
and use the natural features down there. So I can structure it so it's agreeable to some degree,
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but that does mean that a landscape plan for that area. The other issues, the Park and Rec
comments I think should be incorporated into our motion tonight, if we agree with what they
are. Again, the trail connectivity is something I really believe has got to be there. This is the
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right place to have it so that has to be there, and I think that's in the Park and Rec comments.
I like the boardwalk idea. That's cool. That solves my problem with Pond 2000. I think it
will give us a chance to be a little bit more polished around the area where there's more
people and within the ... itself But then also, it's sort of a transition area to the natural, and I
think that's what Kate and Bob have been pushing for and I think it makes some sense to me.
Again I need a good landscape plan for that area. I just have to have those two things. So
landscape plan for that area. Landscape plan for the soccer field are probably taking care of
the needs that I have. Terrific job to reduce the parking Bob, and that's just great. And then
I think that's it. That's all my comments. The rest of them are real nitty gritty and they, I get
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lost on some of the issues and it's, like I don't know how to deal with number 48. I
understand what we want to do. I also understand the applicant saying hey, I don't want it
there and I think it could be a deal killing and so I think 48's got to be ripped out of there.
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But on the other hand, I also know that it's such a huge project it would be of interest to
review some of the conditions. I open up my mouth and I don't know where I'm going on
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that one so I'm going, I've got to just stop. It's a tough issue to get into. It could kill
something out there and I'm not sure we want to do it with that section.
Mancino: I'm going to take a minute and just challenge you on one thing, being the
environmental, or having concerns about some of the environmental issues and that is, under
the PUD, the intent of the PUD is the preservation of desirable site characteristics and open
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space. So where are we doing this on this PUD? And how are you thinking that through?
Conrad: That's a real good point and I think staff has got to battle with that and they've got '
to justify this and we do too. To be real honest with you, when we do the PUD, about the
only thing we can ever negotiate is protecting the natural area. Seriously, because we're not
smart enough or visionary enough to do something else. So protecting the natural features is '
a real easy one to put into our PUD ordinance and say that's what we're going to do. We're
going to protect an extra 12 square feet of this or that and therefore, in my mind, this is a
classic PUD and I guess I'm not trying to save the natural features with this PUD. That's the '
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least of my concerns on this project. Therefore, it's a valid question. I'm maybe not living up
' to what our ordinance says but I'm also saying that ordinance wasn't wise enough or visionary
enough to be looking for other elements in the PUD that we want. So on this one what we're
getting is a whole lot of other things. I think we're trying to get affordable housing. We're
' trying to get a mix of rental housing. There are a lot of things that are worked in here so, it
was never an issue for me to try to figure out whether this met the PUD ordinance or not.
' Mancino: Until this one?
Conrad: I think we have to justify it Nancy. We have to justify this meeting the intent of the
' ordinance but to tell you the truth, in this particular case, the natural features of the land is
really not what we're getting. We are...
Mancino: Other things are outlined.
Conrad: We are doing other things and therefore in my mind I'm, I think we have to
' document and justify why we're doing stuff so we don't set a precedent for other areas. But
on the other hand to start applying some rules to this one where that's not really what our
intent is. If we wanted to plant natural habitat, this would be not the area that I'd be trying to
focus our attention on. Plus, take a look at, we could talk for a while on this. Take a look at
what it looks like out there with that pond, my favorite Pond 2000. It's not a very attractive
' thing right now. It is, it is less than anything. So I tell you, to justify the improvement
we're going to get as a holding basin, as an attractive element to the city, real easy for me to
justify that. But again what I challenged everybody to do is say what does it look like and
' let's make sure it looks appropriate in the long run, and that's really what I have great
concerns with. I love natural. I love wetlands. I'm just not sure that they maintain
themselves in a setting with, in a commercial setting. They can look ugly.
' Mancino: No, but thank you. I appreciate that because I think that's very important in our
PUD. Whether or not we're following that intent. Thanks. Bob.
Skubic: I was going to discuss the soccer field. I certainly don't favor it south of the trail,
but it seems inevitable that that's where it's going to end up. The Park Commission voted for
' it. 4 out of 5 members. St. Hubert's Building Committee favors it... Bob or Kate, is there
any possibility, is there any reason why that all could fit north of the trail? What's your
opinion on that?
' Aanenson: We always thought there wasn't, I think at this oint... we rest. Let's put it that
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Skubic: That's what I hear. It seems like everybody is reluctantly say it's going to go south
of the trail. And I think as Dave eluded to, the justification made for that in terms of tree ,
preservation. I had not heard the same arguments for tennis courts on the other side. Canopy
coverage there, and I wouldn't be in favor of having... Other than that, I think it's been
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Joyce: I don't have much to add. The one thing that bothered me about the development was
that northwest corner, and I couldn't put my finger on it and through the process we got that '
resolved and I think it looks great now so I think that was nice. As far as the soccer field, I
could take it or leave it. You know if this landscaping plan is what we can do with that,
that's even better so I'm more in favor of it now than I was last week. And as far as the ,
condition 48. I see this development being oh, something that's just going to be built on and
I think it has to be left open. I hate getting lawyers involved in everything that we do in life, '
and I'll just leave it at that. Good job. Congratulations.
Mancino: Final comments of mine. First of I want to thank everyone for ... nights and for '
going in and being more specific and making I know me feel much more comfortable with
the design standards and the lighting and the landscaping, etc. so I want to thank you for all
that time and a very good presentation. Personally with the soccer field, I'm still a little on '
the fence. I certainly know where the other commissioners are and that is only because I'm
not hung up on the environmental preservation. I do think that in many of the European
settings where you go have a core village like this, the one thing that I have seen time and ,
time again around them is that they have kept a green open space or a corridor, and especially
when it goes from one lake to the next for not only pedestrian people but for wildlife. And
they do protect that and they do protect it. That's their green corridor and it kind of stops and '
shows where the development ends and then they have their green space and then where it
starts again. So to me I have a high respect for that. I would love to see it work, a win /win
both ways. Obviously the soccer field could go up north, next closer to the field and the '
church and I think everybody tonight has said that so. I don't need to say that again but it
would be for me the best location so that it's up for the kids to play near the school, etc.
Other comments. I really, gosh. I think it's going to be hard for us to put a motion together '
tonight. I think we're going to be having staff help and asking for a few addendums. The
only changes that I would like to see made is that the 45, that there be an architectural and
landscape review committee. Other than that, great, great job. I know that everybody's '
worked very hard and thank you very much. May I have a motion?
Peterson: Madam Chair, I'd make a motion that the Planning Commission recommends '
preliminary approval of PUD 992 -1 including a Comprehensive Land Use Plan amendment
from Office/Industrial Institutional to Residential Medium Density, Residential Low Density,
to Mixed Use Commercial/High Density Residential, Institutional and Office; Preliminary '
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Planned Unit Development of up to 291,000 square feet of commercial /office buildings;
100,000 square feet of institutional buildings, and 322 dwelling units; Rezoning from IOP and
RSF to PUD, Planned Unit Development (first reading); Preliminary Plat for 13 lots and 3
outlots and public right -of -way, Wetland Alteration Permit to fill and excavate wetlands on
site; Vacation of right -of -way and easements, Environmental Assessment Worksheet (EAW)
findings of Negative Declaration of the need for additional environmental investigation; and
Indirect Source Permit Review for the Villages on the Ponds project on 66.12 acres, subject to
the conditions I through 49, and I'll take a stab at trying walk through some of the additions
and deletions. I would offer that we delete, per staff recommendations items number 4, 7, 14
and I believe the second bullet was agreed to on condition number 15. Is that correct staff?
Aanenson: Yep.
Peterson: That condition number 6.
Aanenson: Can we just put as modified?
Peterson: As modified by the attached.
Aanenson: We've got those all in writing from Vernelle as we've corrected those.
Peterson: As modified by the appropriate documents provided by the applicant, including
deletion of item number 48. And item number 45 to include that item be subject to
architectural and landscape committee approval. I guess Kate if you're comfortable with that
and you've got everything down.
Aanenson: We need 42. Park and Rec. If you want to put 42.
Generous: Revised to incorporate the Park and Recreation Commission recommendations.
Peterson: Item 42 would incorporate the recommendations also submitted by staff.
Mancino: And on number 40, the first sentence be deleted.
Peterson: Item 40, yeah. Delete the first sentence.
Mancino: And 49, that there be a detailed plan for the wetland alteration.
Joyce: You had to add 49.
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Generous: So you can see that plan.
Aanenson: Landscape plan for the, actually for the soccer field and...
Peterson: Creation of a formal landscape plan for both the wetland alterations and the soccer
field.
Aanenson: We need modification of 43 also. Unless setbacks can be met from current TH
101. Number 43. What we're saying is, the new TH 101 is outside of the ... TH 101. Until
that's vacated, he can't put a building there so we just need that clarification.
Peterson: Correct. And I think as the applicant presented.
Mancino: And 48 be.
Aanenson: We could delete that one.
Peterson: Also note on item number 4 from the applicant that we accept their revision but it
would be subject to City and MnDot approval.
Mancino: Craig, on point number 15. The second bullet point. To delete the soccer and
tennis courts. Did you mean tennis courts or?
Peterson: We had noted that would be deleted, yes.
Mancino: So it's both, okay?
Skubic: I'd like to retain the tennis courts.
Aanenson: Okay, just soccer.
Peterson: I concur with that.
Mancino: And then did you get Bob's on number 19 about the sanitary sewer should be
extended? I don't know how the rest of it went.
Generous: At the south end of the school to the east property line.
Peterson: And also on page 20, item 11, Section III would be altered from 50 to 30 %. Any
other items? I think that covers it.
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Mancino: I think we got them all. Is there a second?
I Joyce: I'll second that.
' Mancino: The motion has been moved and seconded. Any discussion?
Peterson moved, Joyce seconded that the Planning Commission recommends preliminary
' approval of PUD 492 -1 including a Comprehensive Land Use Plan amendment from
Office /Industrial Institutional to Residential Medium Density, Residential Low Density, to
Mixed Use Commercial /High Density Residential, Institutional and Office; Preliminary
' Planned Unit Development of up to 291,000 squar -e feet of commercial /office buildings;
100,000 squaw, feet of institutional buildings, and 322 dwelling units; Rezoning from IOP and
' RSF to PUD, Planned Unit Development (first reading); Preliminary Plat for 13 lots and 3
outlots and public right -of -way, Wetland Alteration Permit to fill and excavate wetlands on
site; Vacation of nght -of -way and easements, Environmental Assessment Worksheet (EAW)
' findings of Negative Declaration of the need for- additional environmental investigation; and
Indirect Source Permit Review for the Villages on the Ponds project on 66.12 acres, subject to
the following conditions:
t 1. Applicant will be required to provide 208 trees as reforestation plantings. Trees are to
be from the city's Approved Tree List.
' 2. All future site plans for the Villages on the Pond development will use the conceptual
landscaping plan as a guide for numbers of placement of landscape plants including
' trees and shrubs. No individual uses will be allowed to provide less landscaping for the
site than what has been included on the master landscaping plan.
' 3. Applicant shall provide a landscaped walkway between individual sites along Highway 5
to allow for greater pedestrian accessibility and continuity of landscaping if the buildings
are not moved to the foreground of their parking lots.
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Minimum tree removal will be allowed for the tennis courts to the west of Highway
101. No clearings will be allowed for parking spaces.
The development shall comply with the development design standards included in the
staff report and incorporated herein by reference.
Grading shall be prohibited in the area between the bluff areas adjacent to Lake Susan.
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7. Fire hydrants shall be spaced at 300 foot intervals and fire hydrants shall be located at
major intersections. Final hydrant approval will be given when exact street locations are I
known and how buildings are positioned on property.
8.
Turning radiuses of fire apparatus access roads shall be submitted to City Engineer and
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Fire Marshal for review and approval.
9.
Fire lanes will be marked with the appropriate street signage and yellow curbing. Fire
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Marshall will determine fire lanes upon review of plans and final access routes and at
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* Phases of grading the development shall be shown.
that point determine exact placement of signs and yellow curbing.
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10.
The road or driveway access directly east of the existing Lake Drive must have a street
* Rerouting of Riley Creek shall be developed and approved by the DNR.
name. The street name must be submitted to the Fire Marshal for review and approval.
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11.
Premises identification will be reviewed as specific buildings are being proposed.
Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Policy #29 -1992 will be used as basic
criteria for numbering the buildings. Due to the complexity of this project numbering
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on more than one side will be necessary as well as additional monument or directional
signage.
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12.
Final grading plan shall incorporate the following changes:
* Provide compatible site grades for the future upgrade of Grandview Road through
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Lots 8 and 10, Block 1.
* Delete tennis courts.
* Relocate NURP Basin No. 4 westerly outside of existing Trunk Highway 101 right-
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of -way. Consider consolidation of NURP Basin No. 3 with NURP Basin No. 4 and
oversize NURP Basin No. 4 to accommodate future stormwater runoff south of the
development.
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* Adjust grading limits on Lot 2, Block 2 to avoid tree loss.
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* Phases of grading the development shall be shown.
* Incorporate fencing with the construction of the 12 foot high retaining walI-on Lot
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10, Block 1.
* Rerouting of Riley Creek shall be developed and approved by the DNR.
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• Revise grades along Trunk Highway 101 for a future trail underneath Trunk
' Highway 101.
• All NURP basins shall be constructed with either 3:1 side slopes with a 10:1 inch at
' the normal water level for the first one foot of depth or 4:1 side slopes overall.
• Add high water levels to all NURP basins and wetlands.
' * No berming allowed in any public right -of -way.
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* Maintain 7 1/2 feet of cover over City's watermain along Trunk Highway 101.
* Include lot lines, lot numbers, block numbers and storm sewers with structure
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numbers.
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13.
Final plat approval shall be contingent upon clarification of the issues relating to the
vacation of Great Plains Boulevard and portions of Trunk Highway 101 lying westerly
of the future Trunk Highway 101 corridor.
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14.
The lowest floor elevation of buildings adjacent to ponds and wetlands shall be a
minimum of 2 feet above the 100 year high water level.
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15.
The City shall assume maintenance and ownership of the stormwater ponding facilities
and wetlands two years after completion of the site improvements. The appropriate
drainage and utility easements shall be dedicated on the final plat over ponding areas
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and wetlands. The easements shall encompass the storm ponds and wetlands up to the
100 year flood level. Storm sewer facilities which lie outside of public right -of -way
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shall be privately owned and maintained by the applicant or it's successors.
16.
The proposed 8 inch water line through Lot 10, Block 1 along the northerly side of
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proposed St. Hubert's Church shall be extended along the secondary access road to the
east property line. In addition, sanitary and storm sewer and water service shall be
extended to the east property line of the plat through the northerly access road to
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Grandview Road via Lake Drive and sanitary sewer shall be extended south of the
school to the east property line.
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17.
All sanitary sewer and water lines with the exception of the individual building. services
shall be owned and maintained by the City upon completion. As -built construction
plans will be required before the City accepts the utilities. "
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21. Detailed storm sewer calculations for a 10 year and 100 year storm events along with
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18. The existing house of Lot 1, Block 2 shall be razed within 30 days after the final plat is
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recorded and the appropriate demolition permits will be required through the City's
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Building Department. Existing wells and septic systems on the site shall be abandoned
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per State Health Codes and City ordinance.
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final construction plans and drainage /ponding calculations. The SWMP fees are payable
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19. The final plat shall dedicate right -of -way for future Grandview Road over the easterly 17
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feet of Lots 8 and 10, Block 2 paralleling existing Grandview Road.
and public streets. The applicant and City staff shall work together to prepare a street
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20. All access points on to Trunk Highway 101 are subject to MnDot and City approval.
21. Detailed storm sewer calculations for a 10 year and 100 year storm events along with
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ponding calculations based on Walker's PONDNET methodology along with pre and
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post runoff conditions shall be submitted to City staff for review and approval prior to
final
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plat consideration.
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22. The applicant will be responsible for the appropriate water quantity connection fees
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based on the City's Surface Water Management Plan. Staff has estimated the proposed
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development would be responsible for a water quantity fee of $159,206.00 and a water
quality fee of $267,323.00. Credits may be applied to the applicant's SWMP fees for
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oversizing of the ponding facilities and oversizing of trunk sewer after review of the
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final construction plans and drainage /ponding calculations. The SWMP fees are payable
at time of final plat.
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23. The applicant shall be responsible for the installation of street lights along the private
and public streets. The applicant and City staff shall work together to prepare a street
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lighting plan to be incorporated into the street construction plans.
24. The applicant will be required to enter into a PUD development contract with the City
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and provide the necessary financial security and administration fees to guarantee
compliance with the conditions of approval.
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25. The applicant shall design and construction the street and utility improvements in
accordance to the City's latest edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates.
Detailed construction plans and specifications for the public improvements shall be
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submitted to City staff for review and formal approval by City Council in conjunction
with final plat approval.
26. The applicant shall provide a copy of the covenants for review and approval by the City
and shall be filed at the County with the final plat documents.
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27. The applicant shall apply for and obtain all necessary permits from the regulatory
' agencies such as the MPCA, Health Department, Watershed District, DNR, Army Corps
of Engineers, MnDot, and Carver County Highway Department.
' 28. The applicant shall report to the City Engineer the location of any drain tiles found
during construction. The applicant will comply with the City Engineer's direction as far
as abandonment or relocation of the drain tile.
29. The applicant shall develop a sediment and erosion control plan in accordance with the
City's Best Management Practice Handbook (BMPH). Type III erosion control fencing
will be required around the wetlands. The site may also require additional erosion
control fence on the slopes and /or temporary sediment basins. Wood fiber blankets shall
be utilized on all slopes in excess of 3:1.
30. Drainage and conservation easements shall be dedicated over all wetland areas within
the subdivision including outlots. Wetland mitigation measures shall be developed and
subject to approval by the City. The mitigation measures shall be completed in
conjunction with the site grading and restoration.
31. The applicant reduce the impacts to Wetland 2000, create a larger on site mitigation area
and present a sequencing plan showing reduced impact to affected wetlands.
' 32. City staff and the applicant shall investigate the origin of Wetland 6000 to determine if
this area can be exempt from the Wetland Conservation Act.
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33. Buffer strips shall be provided around Wetland 5000. The buffer strips shall be 10 to 30
feet in width with an average width of 20 feet.
34. The street section for the public portion of Lake Drive shall be constructed to 36 feet
wide face -to -face with concrete curb and gutter. The street section which accesses
Grandview Road within the plat shall be constructed to 32 feet wide, back -to -back with
concrete curb and gutter. A temporary cul -de -sac with a 25 foot radius shall be
constructed at the end of the public street for Grandview Road. All private streets shall
be constructed in accordance with the City's private street ordinance which requires a
minimum 26 foot wide drive aisles and built to 7 ton design.
35. Depending on the phasing of the project, Trunk Highway 101 may need to be upgraded
to four lanes, as well as turn lanes and traffic .signals. This will be further evaluated
contingent upon the outcome of the traffic study being reviewed by SRF. The applicant
shall incorporate the necessary traffic improvements as recommended by SRF
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accordingly. Should the traffic signals not be required with the initial phase of
development, the applicant will be required to escrow with the City their fair share of
the cost for future installation. Security shall be a means of a letter of credit or a
certificate of deposit. All Trunk Highway 101 improvements shall meet State Aid
standards. The applicants responsibility for the traffic signals along Trunk Highway 101
shall be 37% of the total cost. A cost sharing agreement between the applicant and the
City shall be drafted for the installation of any traffic signals.
36. The applicant shall provide cross - access easements and maintenance agreements for use
of the private streets. Cross - access easements should also qualify the secondary access
road for public use to Grandview Road.
37. The applicant shall also convey to the City a trail easement over Lot 9, Block 1 and
Outlots B and C once the trail alignment has been approved and constructed.
38. The applicant shall dedicate the future Trunk Highway 101 right -of -way with the initial
phase of development in conjunction with an agreement by the city for the vacation of
TH 101.
39. The application be approved as presented with certain conditions regarding parks and
recreation:
a. The south Rice Marsh Lake trail connection be identified on the plan.
b. if the trail along TH 101 south of Rosemount is disturbed during construction, an
agreement for replacement be coordinated with the applicant.
c. There be a joint agreement for future use of the soccer field between the community
and St. Hubert's Church.
d. Full park and trail fees be collected per city ordinance.
40. Unless setbacks can be maintained for existing TH 101, development of Block 2 is
contingent upon the upgrade of State Highway 101.
41. The developer shall create a schematic booklet depicting development design standards
and definitions.
42. The developer shall create and maintain an Architectural and Landscape Review
Committee to review and approve, development and building plans for buildings within
the Villages on the Ponds.
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43. The developer shall work with the city to accomplish city goals for housing, including
' the provision of "affordable housing ".
44. The developer and future site users shall be required to incorporate street /plaza furniture,
planting boxes, public art, bicycle racks, drinking fountains, etc. within the development
and on individual site plans.
' 45. The applicant shall prepare a detailed plan for the design of the wetland alterations.
46. The applicant shall provide specific landscaping plan for Wetland 2000 and along TH 5.
I All voted in favor, except Comnad who abstained, and the motion carried.
I APPROVAL OF MINUTES: None.
' CITY COUNCIL UPDATE:
Aanenson: They did approve the variance for the Hiway 5 Centre. There was some
' discussion on the signage issue. They did approve the Bluff Creek, Phase II. Approved that
wetland alteration permit. And that was it, as far as Planning Commission items.
t ONGOING ITEMS:
' Peterson: Where are we at with the car dealership?
Aanenson: We get a phone call like once a month. I'm not sure, I haven't talked to them.
t Someone picked up—everything along Highway 5 for industrial. We actually thought we'd
have that in for the 7th. Somebody else has picked up the Legion site and doing a project on
that so we've been busy.
' Conrad: What's going on the Legion site?
Aanenson: Pretty much what you suspect, retail... So the next meeting on the 7th.
Mancino: We have 4 interviews. We had 3 tonight..
Aanenson: Correct, and I'll start those at 7:00 so we've noticed the public hearings to start at
8:00. We've got a small one lot split. A Sinclair station updating. An antenna, ham radio
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