PC 2011 08 16
CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
AUGUST 16, 2011
Chairman Aller called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Andrew Aller, Tom Doll, Mark Undestad, Kevin Ellsworth, Kim
Tennyson and Lisa Hokkanen
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Kathleen Thomas
STAFF PRESENT:
Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director; Bob Generous, Senior
Planner; and Terry Jeffery, Water Resources Coordinator
PUBLIC HEARING:
LAKE DRIVE BUSINESS CENTER: REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A 155
STALL PARKING LOT EXPANSION ON PROPERTY ZONED INDUSTRIAL OFFICE
PARK (IOP) AND LOCATED AT 950 LAKE DRIVE. APPLICANT: CSM
CORPORATION, PLANNING CASE 2011-08.
Public Present:
Name Address
John Ferrier, CSM Corporation 500 Washington Avenue So, Minneapolis
Mark Kronbeck, Alliant Engineering 233 Park Avenue So, Minneapolis
Generous: Thank you Chairman Aller, commissioners. As you stated this is a public hearing to
review proposed parking lot expansion. The applicant made this application because they
wanted additional flexibility and marketability on the property. Currently the site is mostly,
mainly vacant. The building is and so they’re looking for tenants to accommodate them in the
future. The site plan review request is for 155 stall parking lot expansion. They’re proposing it
in three locations on the site and that would mostly occur in three phases. They’re going through
the site plan review process because the grading on, for the proposal is a little more than staff
could approve administratively. Additionally we’re reviewing the grading, the lighting, a sign
relocation and the landscaping in conjunction with the parking lot. This property is zoned
industrial office park. It’s located on the northeast corner of Lake Drive and Powers Boulevard.
To the east of it is Robert’s Automatic. To the south is Lake Susan or Lake Susan Park. It’s a
community park. To the west is a vacant industrial office park site and I did hand out an email I
received yesterday. The property owners have concern that when they develop their site, coming
down their driveway they will see a parking lot in the corner. However I did respond to them
and advised them that the parking lot is a permitted accessory use in the IOP district. That their
proposal complies with all the zoning requirements and that we will as part of our review require
that they provide landscaping around it so I haven’t heard anything back from him but I told him
that I’d give it to the Planning Commission and put it on the record.
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Aller: Okay just for the record we have received that and it should be made part of the Minutes
so thank you.
Generous: And then finally on the north side of this is the railroad tracks and it’s very high
above this site so you can’t actually see it from the north. As I said there’s three locations that
they’re proposing parking expansion. On the southwest corner of the site, which is this area
down here, they’re proposing a total of 48 parking spaces. The southeast corner they’re
proposing 41 spaces and on the east side there is a total of 66 spaces. Again they’re, they would
develop this in phases with the first phase being the southwest parking area. However if they did
have a big user come in I’m sure they’d put all the improvements in at one time. The applicant is
here and he can expand on that. Basically this is a review of the grading plan. It should be
pointed out their extensive retaining wall systems on that. The smallest one is located in the
southwest parking area and it’s highest point is 2 ½ feet tall. The second one is around the
southeast side of the building and it’s tallest point is 6.8 feet. On the east side, along this edge of
the property they’re proposing an 8 foot 8 foot tall retaining wall and then the final one in this
truck turnaround area would be 17 ½ feet. The issues that we have with their proposal would be
that on the east side of the property there’s a 20 foot wide drainage and utility easement. That
contains a large stormwater pipe and so we would require that they keep all the retaining wall
improvements out of that easement. What this will force them to do is either push all the parking
to the west adjacent to the building, if that’s possible, or we looked at an alternative where they
could get a row of parallel parking on this east side and that would reduce, because they’re 8 foot
wide stalls instead of the 18 foot deep so they could pick up 10 feet. Or they could just eliminate
that parking in that area and leave it up to the applicant to figure out and their engineer what’s
their best alternative. The other issue that we talked about within the report is that depending on
the usage of the building there may be some exiting requirements along the south side,
specifically if they have office occupancy in the warehouse area they would need to provide
additional egress from the building and that, we believe that they could handle that through the
use of a stairway system down into the parking area but it would again it depends on the
occupancy in the future so we just wanted to advise them upfront that that may become an issue
depending on who they get for a tenant. And finally the landscaping plan, they are deficient in
the number of landscape peninsulas that they have as part of their parking requirements. City
code requires islands or peninsulas for every 6,000 square feet of vehicular use area. This was
intended to help break up the large expanses of parking lot and so they will need to provide us
with a revised plan showing how they’re going to locate that, and then there was one other issue
in this northeast corner of the parking lot. This last stall is not protected by the landscape island
and so we would have them extend that out farther so vehicles coming around that corner won’t
clip the back of a vehicle parked in that stall. And then as far as landscaping, right now there’s
significant trees in this area of the site that will be reviewed once these, if this parking area goes
in and so they need to provide additional landscaping, screening along that drive. With that staff
is recommending approval of the site plan subject to the conditions of the staff report. And I’d
be happy to answer any questions.
Aller: Okay we’ll start, Kevin if you have any.
Ellsworth: Ah Mr. Chair yes, I do. On page 4 and 5, Bob we talk about stormwater management
and down at the bottom, the first full paragraph on page 5. While this system is generally
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acceptable it is undetermined at this time how it will be maintained. And so it, looking for an
agreement on how it will be provided. I did not see that in the recommendation on the
conditions and maybe I missed that and I guess I’m curious as to what that would encompass.
Jeffery: Chairman Aller, Commissioner Ellsworth. I have had discussion with the applicant and
with the applicant’s engineer. Their standard maintenance and operation, operations and
maintenance manuals that would go with it. It is a little tricky with the underground system as to
how you get the sediment out of the void spaces. That will be, will need to be looked at as we
move forward. At this time it was left fairly open ended so that we could have that discussion
and decide how best to handle it. We do within our surface water management plan have
generalized form that we, for private stormwater maintenance or private stormwater system
maintenance and that would be provided to the applicant for, at a minimum a template of the
minimum information that would be required.
Ellsworth: So you’re confident that there’s enough capability in this system and adequate
maintenance would be provided, that this would not turn into a go, no go situation?
Jeffery: Yeah, that’s correct. That is correct because at this time what we are really looking for
is a more rate control with this system than treating. We do have the Lake Susan pond that will
be providing the water quality treatment we’re looking for. It’s really because of the large
watershed that goes through this system we need to make sure that we slow the water down
leaving the site and don’t increase rates on the site.
Ellsworth: Who owns that Lake Susan pond and who’s responsible for it’s maintenance and
dredging it when it fills up and so on?
Jeffery: That is owned by the City of Chanhassen and we are responsible under MS4 permit for
the maintenance of that, and I did bring it up in the report that perhaps in future phases there
might be a more efficient way to spend their stormwater dollars over on that pond itself rather
than trying to install another one of these system with future phases. That would be to be
determined and if we had enough lead time to try and come up with a way to do that but really at
this time we’re primarily concerned with maintaining rates coming off of that site.
Ellsworth: Okay, thanks Terry. That’s all Mr. Chair.
Hokkanen: No questions. Not yet.
Aller: Commissioner Doll.
Doll: Just is there a view issue with that vacant lot? I’m just confused as to how that would
affect their view of the park.
Generous: Is there a view issue?
Doll: With this email here about the.
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Undestad: The Pauls property.
Doll: The Pauls property.
Aanenson: Can you go back to that trail.
Doll: The view corridor, is that really an issue?
Aanenson: When you look at that driveway coming up off of Powers Boulevard, it’s actually
fairly steep going up so really the view shed is on Powers Boulevard I think getting to and from
the site and I think that’s what Mr. Generous was saying. Is that we look at landscaping that or
trying to replace that or put additional landscaping there but it does meet city code. The city
code does say that you should land, screen parking in front of buildings so that’s one of the
conditions of approval is so, but they do have a right to do that just as long as they follow code,
which will be the screening but yeah from the top of the site, no. It’d be very difficult to see that.
Doll: I thought that site was higher on the other side.
Aanenson: Significantly, yeah. It’s just, I think it’s just a view perspective coming in.
Doll: Okay. That’s it.
Undestad: No questions.
Aller: Ms. Tennyson?
Tennyson: No questions.
Aller: Okay, nothing from me at this point. We have an application that wants to come forward
and make a presentation?
John Ferrier: Good evening Chair and Commissioners. I’m John Ferrier with CSM Corporation.
Also with me tonight is Mark Kronbeck. He is with Alliant Engineering and put together the
engineering plans. We reviewed the staff report and we agree with his findings. You know this
parking lot expansion is largely market driven. On the southwest portion of the site we have a
dismissed office area that’s 100% office. It is adjacent to some warehouse, however there’s very
little parking in front of that office area. We’ve had several tenants go through the space and say
well we need more parking in the front of the, you know kind of the entry part of the office, so
Phase I is definitely that kind of V shaped area that he’s pointing to right there. The other areas
that we’re proposing parking will be dictated by the kind of tenants we have come through there.
We didn’t want to be encumbered by the fact that they say oh, we need more parking and then
we say it’ll require city approval. We wanted to get it approved all at once so we can at least
show them an exhibit that shows all this parking. This building has been largely vacant since we
purchased it so we’re looking for all kinds of creative ideas to get it leased up which in turn helps
us and in turn helps you as well so we think that it’s a great project. We appreciate the help from
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staff and we’ll work with staff to work through some of these issues as part of the
recommendation so, if you have any other questions I’m here to answer any questions.
Aller: I just want to confirm that what I’m hearing from you is you’ve read the report. You
agree with all the conditions that are in the report?
John Ferrier: Yes.
Aller: And you understand that the, that primarily that easement in that area has to stay pretty
much clear based on the conditions here concerning that water flow.
John Ferrier: Correct. And I was talking with our engineer prior to the meeting. He has some
ideas to keep some of that parking and adhere to the easement so.
Aller: And then there were other conditions in here regarding the pollution discharge permits
and things like that.
John Ferrier: Right.
Aller: You understand that we want those before Phase I.
John Ferrier: Absolutely, yep.
Aller: Okay. Any other questions? Great, thank you very much Mr. Ferrier. Okay we’ll open
the public hearing. Anyone that wants to speak on the matter, please come forward. State your
name, address for the record. Seeing no one come forward, I’m going to close the public
hearing. Comments from commissioners. Tom, anything?
Doll: No.
Undestad: No, looks good.
Ellsworth: Looks like a good project.
Aller: I think it’s a good project. I like the fact that you looked at the entire plan even though it
may be done in phases. That we get a foreshadowing of what’s coming forward so, and the
conditions are certainly reasonable. I think it’s a good plan. Do I hear a motion?
Undestad: I’ll make a motion.
Aller: Thank you Commissioner Undestad.
Undestad: That the Chanhassen Planning Commission recommends the City Council approve
the site plan for parking lot expansion located at 950 Lake Drive, plans prepared by Alliant
Engineering dated July 19, 2011, subject to the conditions of the staff report and adoption of the
Findings of Fact and Recommendation.
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Aller: Can I have a second?
Doll: I’ll second.
Aller: Commissioner Doll seconds. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?
Undestad moved, Doll seconded that the Planning Commission recommends the City
Council approve the site plan for parking lot expansion located at 950 Lake Drive, plans
prepared by Alliant Engineering dated July 19, 2011, subject to the conditions of the staff
report and adoption of the Findings of Fact and Recommendation:
Planning Department Conditions
1.The applicant shall enter into a site plan agreement and provide the security required by it.
2.This relocated sign shall require a separate building permit and sign permit.
3.The landscape island on the north end of the parking adjacent to the east side of the building
shall be extended further out to provide full protection of the parking stall.
Environmental Resource Specialist Conditions
1.The applicant shall submit a revised landscape plan showing the minimum number of
landscape islands/peninsulas (16) and trees (50).
2.The applicant shall provide adequate screening for the new parking areas along Lake Drive.
Shrubs shall reach a mature height of at least two feet. A revised landscape plan shall be
submitted to the city for approval.
Water Resources Coordinator Conditions
1.Rates of surface water runoff must not be increased from existing conditions. Where
practicable to do so, rates should be decreased.
2.The applicant and city shall work together on future phases to look for potential cooperative
surface water management opportunities.
3.These approvals for future phases are contingent upon City code and other jurisdictional
agency rules remaining the same. In the event that any of these changes, the applicant will
need to resubmit to assure that the plans meet any new rules germane to this project.
4.Include a note on the Grading and Erosion Control plan indicating that the proposed best
management practices is the minimum controls anticipated, but that as unanticipated site and
climatic conditions present themselves, it will be to modify the best management practices to
meet these new conditions.
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5.All 3:1 slopes shall be covered with erosion control blanket or sod. This needs to be
indicated within the plan set on sheet C-2: Grading and Erosion Control.
6.An escrow or letter of credit in the amount of $2,450.00 shall be provided to the City before
commencement of the first phase. This escrow is only for the first phase. Subsequent phases
will require additional assurance funds.
7.Applicant must apply for and receive approvals from other jurisdictional agencies as
necessary.
8.The applicant must show that the total disturbed area for all phases is less than one acre or
they must apply for and receive an NPDES Construction Stormwater Permit from the MPCA.
If this is the case, a full Surface Water Pollution Prevention Plan must be prepared and
submitted to the City for review and comment.
9.All exposed soils must be stabilized within 14 days of cessation of earth work activities.
10.Lake Drive must be swept clean of soils and debris tracked onto it from the site as needed but
no less than once per week until final stabilization is achieved.
11.The applicant or their designee must maintain the best management practices in good
working order until final stabilization is achieved.
Engineering Department Conditions
1.Grass area maximum slope must not exceed 3:1.
2.The applicant must submit revised plans (redlines) which meet the requirements of the City.
3.Drainage plans must be revised so that the plans match the drainage calculations. The
applicant must also follow City standards for water quality volume. Also, the proposed
drainage rates must be maintained for the 2-, 10-, and 100-year rain events.
4.The storm sewer provided for treatment will be privately owned and maintained.
5.If importing or exporting material for development of the site is necessary, the applicant will
be required to supply the City with detailed haul routes.
6.Building permits are required for all retaining walls four feet tall or higher and must be
designed by a Structural Engineer registered in the State of Minnesota. A fence must be
placed at the top of the wall for safety.
7.The exits in front of Wall 2 may be inadequate for some uses of the building under the
proposed parking scenario. Exterior exit discharge must accommodate exits served. The
parking stalls in this area should be constructed at the time when a final end user is
determined so that the exits will not limit the occupancy.
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8.The wall and wall supports (not including soil) in drainage area three on the east side of the
site must be removed from the drainage and utility easement.
9.Details must be provided for all proposed storm sewer, sanitary sewer, and watermain
crossings. Actual elevations of existing utilities shall be verified for accuracy. A minimum
vertical separation of 18” is required at all storm, sanitary, and watermain crossings.
10.All of the utility improvements are required to be constructed in accordance with the City's
latest edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates. The applicant is also required to
provide the City with the necessary financial security in the form of a letter of credit or cash
escrow to guarantee the installation of the storm sewer, erosion control, and seeding. This
amount will be determined prior to start of construction due to the possible phasing of the
project and not knowing the amount to be installed and disturbed.
11.The applicant must also notify the City after installation of the erosion control and 48 hours
prior to the commencement of grading. Permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies
will be required.
12.The plans and drainage calculations must be signed by a professional engineer registered in
the State of Minnesota.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Commissioner Ellsworth noted the verbatim and summary
minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated July 19, 2011 as presented.
COMMISSION PRESENTATIONS:
None.
CITY COUNCIL ACTION UPDATE:
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Aanenson: Yes, on Monday, August 8 the City Council approved the Bluff Creek 4 Addition,
and you don’t usually see the final plats. You see the preliminary so some of you may not be
aware but that would be 19 additional lots with that so, that area is actually pulling a lot of
permits.
Hokkanen: And they’re selling.
Aanenson: Yes they’re selling out there and the old Pioneer Pass yep, so they’re doing well up
there. And then I just wanted to note too that the City Council did table the paintball shooting
courses but we’ve addressed some of their issues so actually the shooting range will be back on
next Monday. There’s a couple other action items they had to take so most of that meeting will
be dedicated to budget but they will hear, we separated the paintball and shooting and actually it
was helpful because the City Attorney also just recently, in Lakeville they had a Gaylan’s that
has shooting range so we had some of our specific questions addressed and added some
additional comments so you, anything that would be requested would come back before you
under a conditional use permit so we felt comfortable, the staff did with those changes and just
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wanted to make sure we didn’t have any unintended consequences of making that
recommendation so that will be going forward.
Ellsworth: Kate was the reason they tabled it was to get more information or what?
Aanenson: Yeah, I think as we were going through we decided, myself specifically had a couple
questions regarding, you know to separated kind of the building code issues. I think we feel
comfortable about that. There’s certainly a lot of air exchange requirements. Lead requirements.
Just other surrounding uses and you know kind of the zoning and kind of reviewed that again
with the city attorney and I think we feel comfortable under the conditional use. No matter
what’s next you want to make sure that that use is protected and I think that’s actually a little bit
more addressed actually in the building codes so we feel comfortable with that and we’ll look at
those with the conditional use stands a thing we want to maybe hours of operation when those
specific ones come in that we may want to make sure we attach to that use.
Ellsworth: I was just seeing if it was a learning event for us if there was something we missed
that the council wanted to see.
Aanenson: No, I think the Community Development Director just wanted to make sure
everything was.
Aller: I was watching the meeting and I think they went through the same process that we did.
We just had several meetings on it and were able to absorb things and conditions and
information and from what I was seeing the council members wanted just to absorb a little bit
more of the impact that it would have on the community and any potential unintended
consequences.
Aanenson: And I think too once someone makes that kind of a financial commitment it’s pretty
significant. The use isn’t going to go away so you want to make sure that you know it’s a good
neighbor, not only for the surrounding uses but for the community too so I think we’ve got that
addressed.
Aller: Thank you. Great. Let’s see, what else do we have here?
Aanenson: I did have one other thing that I just wanted to point out.
Aller: Yes.
Aanenson: Just pass out a note from the mayor. Hopefully all of you are aware that CNN
Money Magazine named Chanhassen one of the top 10 places to live. We’re actually number 10
so I wanted to just pass along a note from the mayor. He sent it to all city staff but also wanted
to include notes to the Planning Commission and send along thanks and congratulations to the
Planning Commission and all the other advisory committees for all the significant role they play
in Chanhassen’s success and development so it’s I guess not something that we seek out but the
city was recognized as a great place. Thank you for all that you do from the mayor.
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Aller: Alright. And thank you to you and to staff because you make it easy for us up here with
these great reports, which are very thorough and you get us the information that we need as
citizen gate keepers so thank you.
Aanenson: If I may chairman, I have just a couple other things. I did put in your packet just a
couple items. I’m trying to do a better job of just including some things that maybe you
probably saw but just make sure that you’re aware of kind of what’s going on in the community.
We’re actually experiencing a little boomlet there for residential permits so we’re already at 97
units right now to date and we actually have probably another 14 in right now.
Aller: Ahead of schedule.
Aanenson: So we’re ahead of schedule and doing well, and so we’re working on the sales
trailer’s going out at the Reflections at Lake Riley. That’s the Lennar neighborhood over in
Springfield so that’s a good sign. It’s keeping people working and there’s just another area about
pockets of recovery that I just wanted to share with you too. And then one final note then on
future Planning Commission items before we go to work session and that would be we’re still
planning on our tour and I think what Terry Jeffery’s going to talk to you about tonight, you’ll
actually will be able to actually kind of field check that when we go out that. We’re going to
concentrate that you talked about some water resources and I think if we may, Bob did check our
sunset time, which is about 7:15 so we’re going to see if we can start a little bit earlier and we’ll
do a picnic dinner with that too and so we can drive around and look at some things as we’ve
done in the past and so we’ll see if we can start a little earlier. If we started obviously at 7:00
that would give us roughly 15 minutes so maybe we can start you know maybe by 6:00 that
would be great and kind of hit a few other spots so I’ll put that in your packet next time and if
you let me know if you can or can’t make it at that time so with that that’s kind of all I had for
the regular order.
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Aller: And it looks like we have on calendar a variance for September 6.
Aanenson: Yes you do, yeah and we may put some other just kind of work items on that
meeting too but there is one public hearing, correct.
Aller: Great. Alright. Anything further? Motion to adjourn.
Doll moved, Ellsworth seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion
carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. The Planning Commission meeting was
adjourned at 7:20 p.m.
Submitted by Kate Aanenson
Community Development Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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