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PC SUM 2003 08 19CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING SUMMARY MINUTES AUGUST 19, 2003 Chairman Sacchet called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Steve Lillehaug, Bruce Feik, Kurt Papke, Uli Sacchet, Bethany Tjornhom, and Rich Slagle MEMBERS ABSENT: Craig Claybaugh STAFF PRESENT: Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director; Bob Generous, Senior Planner; Sharmeen AI-Jaff, Senior Planner; Matt Saam, Assistant City Engineer; and Mak Sweidan, Engineer PUBLIC PRESENT FOR ALL ITEMS: Debbie Lloyd 7302 Laredo Drive PUBLIC HEARING: THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN HAS AUTHORIZED THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE ALTERNATIVE URBAN AREAWIDE REVIEW DOCUMENTS (AUAR) FOR THE 2005 METROPOLITAN URBAN SERVICE AREA (MUSA) LOCATED SOUTH OF LYMAN BOULEVARD, EAST OF AUDUBON ROAD, WEST OF FUTURE HIGHWAY 212, AND NORTH OF PIONEER TRAIL IN THE CITY OF CHANHASSEN, MN. THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 650 ACRES OF LAND INCLUDING PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, RESIDENTIAL-LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL-MEDIUM DENSITY, OFFICE/INDUSTRIAL, AND OFFICE USES. Public Present: Name Address Chuck Wagner William Ahem Tim Boyce Loren Gordon (HKG) Jon Horn (KHA) Rick Dorsey George Dorsey Jeff & Susan Lundgren Brent Miller Kathleen Theship-Rosales Cher Atkinson Mitch & Jill Anderson Gayle Wenzlaff Richard Palmiter Keith Wyman Tallis Blake Rosemary Biersdorf 9401 Audubon Road 1191 Homestead Lane 8941 Audubon Road 6351 Near Mountain Boulevard 2550 University Avenue 1551 Lyman Boulevard 1551 Lyman Boulevard 2855 Timberview Trail 1200 Lyman Boulevard 9201 Audubon Road 2646 Shadow Lane 2853 Timberview Trail 1181 Homestead Lane Town & Country Homes 2674 Shadow Wood Court 2907 Butternut Drive 2907 Butternut Drive Planning Commission Summary- August 19, 2003 Mike Timm Bart Blinstrup Bryan & Claire Saathoff Kara Strazzanti Stacy & Jeff Kerfeld Jeffrey Ackerson Arild Rossavik Jeff Harr 1101 Lyman Court 18736 The Pines, Eden Prairie 2910 Butternut Drive, Chaska 2901 Forest Ridge, Chaska 2702 Shadow Wood Court, Chaska 2746 Simons Drive, Chaska 8800 Powers Boulevard 2852 Timberview Drive Kate Aanenson introduced Mark Koegler from Hoisington Koegler, the lead consultant on this project. He introduced the members of his team from various companies providing information regarding utilities, traffic, wetland delineation, etc. He and Jim Renshaw of Kimley Horn provided a power point presentation on the AUAR process, outlining what the AUAR process is, a schedule that will be followed for public and agency comments. Chairman Sacchet asked for commissioner questions prior to the public hearing. Commissioner Slagle asked for clarification on the relationship between Hoisington Koegler Group and the Town and Country development as it relates to information in the AUAR. He also asked for clarification on the process that goes into the traffic analysis and recommendations for turn lanes and signalization. Commissioner Papke asked the consultant to clarify what they mean by the phrase "worst case scenario" in terms of environmental and financial impacts to the City. He also asked for clarification regarding the change with elimination of the Highway 41 river crossing intersection with 212. Commissioner Feik asked for clarification on Town and Country's share in the payment for the AUAR and if that share is based on acreage. Commissioner Slagle commented that the intersection of Lyman and Audubon is already a problem and should be looked at fixing prior to further development occurring. Commissioner Feik asked if the land uses within the AUAR were transferable. Commissioner Lillehaug asked for clarification regarding infrastructure improvements and the cost to the city and how do you incorporate the fiscal tax study as part of this, the time period between when traffic signals are warranted and installed. Chairman Sacchet asked about the land uses proposed in this area, wetland delineation, and traffic projections. He then opened up the public hearing. Mitch Anderson, 2853 Timberview Trail in Chaska spoke on behalf of the residents of Autumn Woods, who had gotten together the evening before to discuss the draft AUAR. Their biggest concern was with traffic on Audubon, and in particular the intersection of Audubon and Butternut. Also there's two stop lights already on Audubon, and as traffic backs up from Pioneer Trail they get a fair amount of cut through traffic that goes through Autumn Woods trying to cut through that light and the light at Acorn, heading down Pioneer towards Rainbow and Super Target. Jeff Ackerson, 2746 Simons Drive, Chaska had concern with the global impact of trying to get in and out of Chaska. Cities and counties tend to always push development before infrastructure and his concern is let's look at infrastructure before or in alignment with development. Char Jeurissen, 9715 Audubon Road had a question about the extension of Powers Boulevard to Pioneer Trail. Jeff Lundgren, 2855 Timberview Trail, Chaska had concerns with traffic cutting through their neighborhood after Highway 212 is built. Jeff Hart, 2852 Timberview Trail in Chaska, Autumn Woods development asked for clarification on the number of acres under consideration. Chairman Sacchet explained about the 2005 MUSA study area, and incorporating the Town and Country development into the entire area and traffic concerns. Sharon Gatto, 9631 Foxford Road asked if the City has the authority to say no more townhomes such as is being proposed by Town and Country. Rick Dorsey spoke on behalf of himself and his father regarding the land they own at 1551 Lyman Boulevard. He suggested the city look at building vertical developments to preserve more green space. There are three major interchanges in about a mile and a half or 2 mile area and perhaps the city could look at eliminating one of Planning Commission Summary - August 19, 2003 those intersections to allow for more development, to assist in the tax base. One of his major concerns is the fact that there's been so many comments from Chaska residents that further reinforces his concern that one of the major issues here is moving a lot of people from Chaska through county roads and a number of the intersections involved aren't part of this AUAR George Dorsey, 1551 Lyman Boulevard stated he was amused by the fact that he could drive from Edina to Brownsville, Texas, 1,800 miles without one stop light and between Chanhassen and Edina there's 8 or 9, and talk of adding more. Debbie Lloyd, 7302 Laredo Drive had concerns about notification of residents in this area. Jeff Kerfeld, 2702 Shadow Wood Court, Chaska stated he lives adjacent to proposed medium density area, he has asked to be put on the mailing list and he did not receive notice of this public hearing. He expressed concern about the look and feet of the medium density being proposed adjacent to his property. Chairman Sacchet continued the public hearing until the September 2, 2003 Planning Commission meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF APPLEBEE'S INTERNATIONAL REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR WALL SIGNAGE LOCATED AT 590 WEST 79TM STREET. Public Present: Name Address Mike Morris Shawn Griffin, Griffin Sign & Awning 590 West 79th Street 21513 51st Avenue N.W., Cambridge Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item. Commissioner Lillehaug asked about the directional signs that are currently there. Commissioner Papke asked about the request for a neon sign and restrictions related to the hours it could be lit. Commissioner Tjornhom asked if this request was for this specific sign or if could it be changed in the future. Mike Morris, the General Manager for the Chanhassen Applebee's outlined their request. Shawn Griffin with Griffin Sign stated that Applebee's International has 2,000 locations which are incorporating the "car side to go" program with the 3 parking signs, a video camera, a neon sign and an awning so it's a roll out program nationally. Commissioner Slagle suggested Applebee's consider opening up a fourth parking spot. Chairman Sacchet asked for clarification on the set-up in the restaurant to handle the food pick-up and then opened the public hearing. There was no one wishing to speak at the public hearing and the public hearing was closed. After commission comments the following motion was made. Feik moved, Slagle seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Variance #2003-11 to allow a wall sign and a canopy sign to be placed on the north elevation of Applebee's Restaurant with the following conditions: 1. The signs must be constructed and installed per drawings submitted on 7/18/03. 2. A building permit must be obtained before installing the awning on the building. o At least 3 car stalls adjacent to the entryway shall be designated for car side to go parking. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. Planning Commission Summary - August 19, 2003 PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF SMG, INC. REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN REQUEST WITH VARIANCES FOR A GOLF COURSE ON PROPERTY ZONED A2 LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF PIONEER TRAIL AND GREAT PLAINS BOULEVARD. Public Present: Name Address David Teich Dorothy Hautman Judy & David Walstad Tom J. & Kathleen Gertz Jeffrey Sorum Sharon Gatto Shawn & Nicola Smith John & Anna Mae Makela Kevin Norbdy Ron Saatzer Gaye Guyton Boyd Peterson 1217 S. Monroe, Shakopee 10095 Great Plains Boulevard 10071 Great Plains Boulevard 10001 Great Plains Boulevard 9900 Deerbrook Drive 9631 Foxford Road 725 Halla Nursery Drive 9860 Raspberry Hill Architect 9450 Foxford Road 10083 Great Plains Boulevard 9860 Pioneer Circle Sharmeen Al-Jaff presented the staff report on this item. Commissioner Slagle asked that a condition be added, if it's not already included, that lighting not be allowed. He also expressed concern with traffic at the intersection of 101 and Pioneer Trail. Commissioner Papke asked for clarification on the plans regarding the size of the building, the trail location, the amount of water that will be used by the golf course and it's affects on neighboring properties, fertilizer and pesticide use, and the location of the trail to the bluff line. Commissioner Feik had questions regarding the possibility of balls going out onto the highway from Hole number 8, access to the southerly parcel, the installation of a manufactured building on the site, not allowing lighted signage, the city's regulations concerning fertilizer use, and who should be responsible for cleaning up the dumping that's occurring on the site. Commissioner Lillehaug asked if the city was being specific enough with the required soil testing, that the trash enclosure match the building, and concern that MnDot and the County haven't provided any input on this proposal. Chairman Sacchet asked if golf courses would be subject to watering restrictions, the location of the netting, making the golf course handicap accessible, and the access into the site in relation to Foxford Road and Highway 101. Kevin Nordby, the golf course architect for this project spoke on behalf of the applicant providing background information and answering the concerns of the commissioners. Chairman Sacchet then opened the public hearing. Sharon Gatto, 9631 Foxford Road had concerns regarding the snowmobile trail that's currently existing being affected by this development and the entrance to this development lining up with Foxford Road. Boyd Peterson, 9860 Pioneer Circle, referred to himself as the encyclopedia of this area as he and his relatives have lived there since 1979. He is currently the trail coordinator with the Chanhassen Snowmobile Club and spoke to the snowmobile trail issue. He feels the golf course will solve a lot of problems that have occurred on this property such as the dumping in the gully. He thinks this is a good opportunity for them to create a pond to control the drainage. He would prefer to see trees used as a buffer along his property line rather than a net. Jeff Sorum, 9900 Deerbrook Drive was concerned about change in the terrain, concern with the traffic and the placement of the club house. He was concerned Planning Commission Summary - August 19, 2003 with the golf course's well affecting their water well system and who would be responsible if their well ran dry. Tom Gertz, 10001 Great Plains Boulevard had concerns with the layout of some of the holes near his home and driveway, the road entrance and the possibility of a Satellite being placed in front of his home. Dave Walstad, 10071 Great Plains Boulevard lives just south of this project and has two horses on his property. He didn't see the need for the entrance to be realigned to the extent it was being proposed, the screening provided by trees and shrubs, surface water drainage which might include pesticides, and that the map doesn't show the gravel road running to the ravine. Gaye Guyton, 10083 Great Plains Boulevard had concerns with golf balls hitting cars driving up and down the gravel road, the depth of the golf course well system, and requesting that no trespassing signs be installed to prevent people from wandering onto their properties. Gayle Wenzlaff, 1181 Homestead Lane stated she was in favor of the golf course but had concerns with the depth of the golf course well. Kevin Nordby assured the neighbors that the golf course would not be in the same aquifer as the neighboring properties. Chairman Sacchet closed the public hearing. After discussion by the commissioners, the following motion was made. Slagle moved, Papke seconded that the Planning Commission table Conditional Use Permit #2003-4 CUP for the construction of a golf course with a club house as shown in plans dated July 18, 2003. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. Lillehaug moved, Papke seconded that the Planning Cormnission table Site Plan Review #2003-7 SPR for the construction of a club house and maintenance building for a golf course as shown on plans dated July 18, 2003. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Feik noted the Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated July 15, 2003 as presented. Chairman Sacchet adjourned the Planning Commission meeting at 11:15 p.m. Submitted by Kate Aanenson Community Development Director Prepared by Nann Opheim