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PC 2013 08 20 CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 20, 2013 Chairman Aller called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Andrew Aller, Mark Undestad, Kim Tennyson, Lisa Hokkanen, Maryam Yusuf, Stephen Withrow, and Steven Weick STAFF PRESENT: Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director; Bob Generous, Senior Planner; and Alyson Fauske, Assistant City Engineer PUBLIC HEARING: GONYEA VARIANCE, PLANNING CASE 2013-17: REQUEST FOR VARIANCE FROM SECTION 20-1122(2) OF THE CHANHASSEN CITY CODE TO CONSTRUCT A DRIVEWAY ON PROPERTY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RSF) AND LOCATED AT 7441 DOGWOOD ROAD (LOT 7, SUNSET HILL ON LAKE MINNEWASHTA). APPLICANT: GONYEA HOMES, INC. Generous: Thank you Chairman, commissioners. Planning Case 2013-17 is a variance request for driveway grade. This property is located at 7441 Dogwood Road. It’s on Lake Minnewashta and if you’re familiar with this area, very steep properties out there. This property has over 17% grade on the entire site so it’s 1 of 3 properties that were owned by, it’s shown in the larger blue area on that and it was administratively broken up recently so that they could build two additional houses on the property. The property is zoned single family residential and is in the shoreland district. The specific request is for a 3.5% variance to permit a 13 1/2 percent driveway grade. City code permits up to 10% driveway grades. In most instances they’re able to accomplish that. However in this area it’s very difficult due to the significant slopes on the property. We had them evaluate using a 10% grade. What that showed us is that there’s significant areas of trees that would be removed to the east of the house site. Grading would have to extend to the north into the adjacent property, as well as into the south onto the property that’s just to the south of there. Also the grading would extend beyond the bluff setback area and into the bluff areas. Through the review of the 13 1/2 percent grade we found that they were able to correct a lot of these deficiencies. For one, the first actually 20 feet of the driveway adjacent to Dogwood Road is able to come to a 3% slope. The highest, steepest grade on the remainder of the driveway is 13 1/2 percent. The 13 1/2 percent driveway would be an improvement on the existing driveway on the property which is over 17% and additionally the property just to the north of this had a 17.4% driveway so this would be better than most of the ones that we’re seeing on the south end of Dogwood. With a 10% driveway grade they’re required to put in 190 foot retaining wall which has a height of 14 feet in the middle. By going to the 13 1/2 percent driveway grade they’re able to reduce that retaining wall to 85 feet in length with the height of 8 feet so there are significant benefits for the future property owners to have a less high wall in the back yard. And finally the trees just located east of the house would be able to be preserved with the 13 1/2 percent slope as opposed to the 10%. And then this is, we were able to get a plan that shows it. It shows the area immediately adjacent to Dogwood having the 3% slope. It’s 13 1/2 percent in the middle. All these trees in this area are preserved and all the grading remains on the site and does not extend beyond the bluff buffer zone area so, they’re all those improvements. Based on that analysis we’re recommending approval of the variance request subject to the conditions in the staff report and adoption of the Findings of Fact and Decision. If you have any questions I’d be happy to answer them. Or Alyson would. Aller: The report indicated that the final plans hadn’t been provided or a plan for the 13.5% hasn’t been provided. Has that been provided yet? Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 Generous: That was the last slide that we saw. This one. Aller: Okay. Generous: They hadn’t been able to complete the analysis of that. And it’s, yeah prior to completing the staff report they, so it had to go out but they hadn’t completed their review of that based on the initial conditions that we have were still in place. Aller: I don’t have any other questions. Anyone? Withrow: It’s not clear to me where the retaining wall is in it’s relationship to the driveway. Generous: The retaining wall is located to the northwest of the house. Withrow: Okay. Generous: And this is the 85 footer. If you go to the 10% grade it wraps farther around the house. So yeah, it would be, it raises the house up and they get a rear yard and then the house is a little higher. Withrow: Okay. I see, thank you. Aller: Okay, thank you. Would the applicant like to step forward or have any interest in stepping forward. Bill Coffman: Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, my name is Bill Coffman with Gonyea Homes. We concur with staff’s recommendations so yeah, I’m just available if you have any questions. Aller: Great. So ultimately you’ve read the staff report. You have no problems with complying with the conditions? Bill Coffman: Yes, absolutely. Aller: Okay. Any other questions? Great, thank you very much. Bill Coffman: Thank you. Aller: With that I’ll open the public hearing. Any individual wishing to speak either for or against the requested variance can do so at this time. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against? Seeing no one come forward I will close the public hearing and open it for commissioner comments. Questions. It looks like my major concern obviously was that they came forward with a concrete plan. It looks like they’ve done that. All the conditions are there to protect the trees. The impact that it would have on the north and south properties. The potential intrusion into the neighboring properties. All those items have been protected either by the plan or by conditions so I think it meets all the needs and requirements for a variance. It’s a reasonable use of the property certainly and this particular property is unique in nature, as all are. The slopes out there are just tremendous so it’s an improvement on what’s already there so I’ll be voting for it. Any other questions? Comments? All those in favor. Oh, make a motion sorry. Make a motion. 2 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 Undestad: I propose the Chanhassen Board of Appeals and Adjustments approves a 3.5% variance to the driveway grade to permit a 13.5% driveway grade subject to the conditions of the staff report and adoption of the attached Findings of Fact and Decision. Aller: And I have a motion. Do I have a second? Weick: Second. Aller: I have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Undestad moved, Weick seconded that the Chanhassen Board of Appeals and Adjustments approves a 3.5 percent variance to the driveway grade to permit a 13.5 percent driveway grade subject to the following conditions and adoption of the attached Findings of Fact and Decision: 1.The proposed driveway must have the first 10 feet adjacent to Dogwood Road at a shallow grade for entry onto the roadway. 2.The proposed driveway design must also keep a shallow grade at the bottom of the driveway near the garage to prevent drainage from flowing towards the garage or home. 3.The driveway grade must not be steeper than 13.5 percent at any point. 4.Limit tree removal to only those necessary to accomplish the construction of the home and driveway. 5.Show all trees to be removed or at risk of damage during construction including those on adjoining properties. 6.Limit grading to only those areas necessary to accomplish the construction of the home and driveway while maintaining drainage patterns which will not create erosive conditions or redirect drainage onto neighboring properties. 7.No grading within the bluff impact zone. 8.Provide mitigation measures to prevent increased erosive conditions in the bluff and gully areas. 9.The site plan must otherwise be compliant with MN Rules 6120.3300 and Chapter 20, Article VII of Chanhassen City Code. 10.The grading must be revised so that water will flow away from the proposed structure. 11.The grading must be revised so as not to exceed 3:1 slopes. 12.The grading must be revised to create a swale so that water will not flow over the top of the wall. 13.The applicant must obtain permission from the owners of the adjoining properties to do any work on their land. 3 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. PUBLIC HEARING: LAKE ST. JOE’S COVE, PLANNING CASE 2013-18: REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW OF 4.04 ACRES OF PROPERTY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL (RSF) LOCATED EAST OF CHANHASSEN CITY LIMITS, AND SOUTH OF THE CIMMARON SUBDIVISION BETWEEN KINGS ROAD AND MILL CREEK LAND. APPLICANT: STS PROPERTY, LLC. OWNER: JERRY & KRISTIN KORTGARD. Generous: Thank you Chairman, commissioners. Planning Case 2013-18, Lake St. Joe’s Cove, STS Property, LLC is the applicant. It is a request for subdivision approval, or preliminary plat approval. It th meets tonight with the Planning Commission. It’s scheduled for City Council on September 9. Again the request is for preliminary plat approval for 8 lots, 1 outlot and public right-of-way for single family detached homes. Property is located on the western boundary of the city of Chanhassen with Victoria and just between Mill Creek and Kings Road. South of the Cimarron development and when that project came in, at that time we did a, ghost platted this property to see how the potential subdivision would work and this follows that closely so it was just an extension of the roads down and the utilities that were established in Kings Road are extended down as part of the project. Like I said, the project includes 8 single family lots and 1 outlot. There is a stormwater pond that was built as part of the Cimarron development. There is some expansion that will be done as part of this development to meet stormwater purposes. They will be platting the Mill Creek Lane and Kings Road right-of-way as part of the subdivision. I should note that before tonight’s meeting I did hand out 3 sheets to you. The first one, I changed the word subdivision to preliminary plat on pages 1 and 9 of the report as part of the recommendation. Then on page 2 of the Findings of Fact I changed the word subdivision to preliminary plat also so. However when this does go to City Council they are, will be requesting and preliminary and final plat approval because they have all the drawings are pretty well clean. As part of the street plan for this development it will be a public street meeting all the requirements of the city ordinance. It’s about, steepest point in this is 4.6% slope and our city code would allow up to 7% slope on a public street. On the northwest corner of Lot 4, Block 3 we are requesting that they provide an easement. Access easement for the property in Victoria. As you can see on this drawing there’s a driveway that comes out there. There is another property just to the north that access but that’s into the public street so we won’t need any private easements put in place. Utilities will be extended. The sewer will be extended to the west. It comes down Kings Road and so gravity will take it that way and as part of this they also will be looping the water system from Mill Creek Lane to Kings Road. Stormwater plan, they will be expanding the stormwater pond and then putting in any street improvements for conveying the storm water to that pond. The grading plan, they are mass grading the site in preparation for the development of the individual lots. As part of that they will be removing significant amount of trees. Erosion control plan is in place, or is designed. As part of their approval they need to come up with a SWPPP plan which is Surface Water Pollution Prevention. As part of the landscaping plan they did show that they’re removing most of the trees on this site as part of the subdivision process because of the location of the road and the house pads. It’s very, almost impossible to preserve anything and so they’re just going forward and doing the complete replacement there. However we should point out to the north that land will remain natural. It’s a wetland complex and so all that area will remain in place. Staff is recommending approval of the preliminary plat subject to conditions of the staff report and adoption of the Findings of Fact and Recommendation. With that I’d be happy to answer any questions. Aller: Park is covered by the Roundhouse Park? Generous: Yes. They’ll be paying fees in lieu of land dedication. 4 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 Yusuf: With the tree removal and replacement, do you feel comfortable with the erosion prevention plan? Fauske: Typically the developers and the developer’s engineers are willing to work with staff. It’s just a matter of insuring that it’s compliant with the State regulations so we’re at a comfort level that we believe that they will come into compliance. Yusuf: Okay. Hokkanen: And is it 7 lots or 8 lots? Of buildable and one outlot. Generous: It’s 8 lots. Lot 2, Block, Lot 1, Block 2 is on the west side of Mill. It was actually platted as an outlot with the Cimarron development because they couldn’t get the street down to service that property. It’s just to the north of that stormwater pond in the southeast corner of the plat. Hokkanen: Okay. Aanenson: 4 on the bottom, 3 above the road and then the one on the. Hokkanen: I just read somewhere in here it said 7 so. Generous: Yeah that was their application said that. Hokkanen: Yeah, okay. I thought. Aanenson: Good catch. Hokkanen: Just double checking. Aller: Any other questions at this point? None. Okay. Would the applicant like to step forward and make any presentation he wishes to do at this time? Steve Kroiss: Yes, my name is Steve Kroiss. Representative for STS Property. Aller: Welcome sir. Steve Kroiss: Excited to be back in front of you with another project in Chanhassen. I don’t really have anything else to add but I have my engineer here, Dan Schmidt if you have any technical questions or anything else I can answer. Aller: I guess overall you had an opportunity to read the report. You’re working with staff. You know that there’s approximately 56 plus or minus conditions here. Are there any that you’re concerned about being able to meet? Steve Kroiss: Oh nothing that we’re concerned about being able to meet. We are going to work with staff, because we have talked with the neighbor, the Clymer’s which would be just to the north on Mill Creek about, we’re going to be grading into their yard and about saving some of those trees and spading them and hopefully come up with possibly a new landscape plan that they’ll be happy with. I mean we can either replace the trees as we have but there’s some nice trees there and we’d like to save them and they’d like to save them. 5 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 Aller: Sure. Steve Kroiss: Other than that I don’t think there was any of the conditions that we had any issue with. Aller: Great. Can you tell us a little bit about the properties that you’re going to be building or are you actually doing the construction? Steve Kroiss: We are also a builder. We develop properties and we build on them. We currently have a project off of Galpin Road called Wynsong which we had approved earlier this year. Housing in this project will be a little less expensive. Probably my guess is in that $700,000 to $900,000 range. At this point we’re excited to look for some new lots because we’re out of lots in Chanhassen so we’re going to try to get this done this fall and get a house up for next spring. Aller: Wonderful. Any other questions from any commissioner? Thank you sir. Steve Kroiss: Thank you. Aller: With that I’ll open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak either for or against the proposal before us today? Good evening sir. Rick Berland: I’m not for or against. Hi, my name is Rick Berland. I’m a neighbor and I’m just curious, I don’t understand from any of these maps, I can’t see them that well, exactly where this is. I’m not for it or against it. I just, we came just because we wanted to, is it west of the parkway? Generous: Yes. Rick Berland: How far west? How many blocks? Generous: It’s at the end of Kings Road, if you know where Kings Road is. Rick Berland: At the end of it, yeah I know where Kings Road is. Generous: Yeah, and then you go down and it turns to the south and then it goes. Rick Berland: I can show you on the way home. Mrs. Berland: We just thought it was on the parkway. Aanenson: No, it’s behind. Rick Berland: Because there’s a sign, a property for sale. We were just curious that’s all. Aller: Well welcome. Thanks for coming. Any other individuals wishing to speak either for or against or just wanting to visit. Seeing no one come forward, close the public hearing. Any questions, comments from any of the commissioners? Think it’s pretty straight forward. Looks like a good project. Hokkanen: Nice project. Weick: I would echo the question that was put forth though on the erosion that’s all. That would be my only, it seemed like they were taking out a lot of trees and then putting them all in one place and so I trust that obviously erosion concerns will be addressed. That would be my only concern. 6 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 Aller: Yeah, and this is a preliminary plat review so this is going to go to the City Council, in fact they’ll probably be looking for the final at that time so there’ll have better drawings and a better understanding of what they’re going to have at that time. Aanenson: I was just going to point out for some of the new planning commissioners too, engineering always has a pre-construction meeting too and so we also have someone that is from the soil district too also that’s at that meeting to go over where the erosion control would go so that’s, point well taken yeah. I mean you’ve got a beautiful wetland behind you that will always be preserved. It’s fantastic views so that’s something that engineering will make sure during the pre-con and before they can proceed they make sure that that’s all in place before they grade so, that’s a good question though just so everybody knows, that’s one of the things that we do. Aller: Yeah, I would think that part of the value of these properties is that view and the wetlands so you want to maintain it. Any other comments? Yusuf: None right now. Aller: I’ll entertain a motion. Yusuf: I’ll make a motion. Aller: Okay. Yusuf: I propose that the Chanhassen Planning Commission recommends approval of the Lake St. Joe’s Cove preliminary plat subject to the conditions of this report and adoption of the Findings of Fact and Recommendation. Aller: Have a motion. Do I have a second? Tennyson: Second. Aller: I have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Comment? Yusuf moved, Tennyson seconded that the Chanhassen Planning Commission recommends the City the preliminary plat subject to the following conditions and adoption of the Council approve attached Findings of Fact and Recommendation: Building Official: 1. Provide a 1:200 “clean” plat drawing. 2. Demolition permits are required for the removal of any existing structures. 3. Submit proposed street-name(s) to Building Official and Fire Marshal for approval. 4. Buildings may be required to be designed by an architect and/or engineer as determined by the Building Official. 7 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 5. A final grading plan and soils report must be submitted to the Inspections Division before permits can be issued. 6. Retaining walls over four feet high require a permit and must be designed by a professional engineer. 7. Each lot must be provided with separate sewer and water services. 8. The applicant and/or their agent shall meet with the Inspections Division as early as possible to discuss plan review and permit procedures. Engineering: 9.Access to the properties in Victoria must be maintained. 10.The plat delineates the 10-foot easement at the front and back of the lots, and a 5-foot easement at the sides of the lots, but the plat must call them out as a “drainage and utility easement.” 11.Plat must dedicate driveway access easement on Lot 4, Block 3 for access to the property in Victoria. 12.The easement between Block 1, Lot 1 and Block 1, Lot 2 must provide enough room to excavate the pipe for maintenance at a 1:1.5 slope. 13.The easement at the northeast corner of Block 3, Lot 1 must provide enough room to excavate the pipe for maintenance at a 1:1.5 slope. 14.The plat document must be amended to include Outlot B, which is shown in the plans. 15.The survey of the existing property shows contour lines in the Cimmaron development north of Lake St. Joe’s Cove, but it must also show all existing buildings and driveways 100 feet beyond the property boundary. 16.The grading plans must show the benchmark elevation used for the survey. 17.In the relatively flat areas, such as the swale that directs water to Catch Basin 6, the grading plan must show spot elevations and flow arrows to indicate the direction of the water. 18.The 15-inch storm sewer pipe from CBMH1 to the existing structure shall be constructed with a minimum 0.70 % slope. 19.The existing storm sewer manhole on Outlot A, Cimmaron Addition must be replaced to include a 3-foot sump. 20.The property owner at 7040 Mill Creek Lane must agree to any work being done on his or her land. The proposed grading on this property must also be included in the grading plan. 8 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 21.The slopes must be less than 3:1. The developer’s engineer must revise the grading on Outlot A and Block 3 to meet this standard. 22.The contours show water flowing to the northeast corner of Block 1, Lot 1. The developer’s engineer must revise the grading or mark the elevation at the building corner to direct water flow away from the structure. 23.The driveway grades on Block 1, Lot 2 and Block 3, Lot 3 must be revised so that the grade does not exceed 10% at any point on the driveway. 24.An escrow (110% of the estimated erosion control for this development) is required before site grading begins. 25.The following materials are prohibited for retaining wall construction: smooth face, poured- in-place concrete (stamped or patterned concrete is allowed), masonry, railroad ties or timber. 26.Walls taller than 6 feet shall not be constructed with boulder rock. 27.The grading behind the retaining wall must be modified so that water will not drain down the face of the wall. 28.A Homeowners Association shall be created to take ownership of the retaining wall. 29.The plans must annotate the width of the roadway, sidewalks, and the right-of-way. 30.The plans must show the station where the new construction ties in to the existing road as well as the limits of construction. 31.The plans must include erosion control measures to the limits of construction. 32.The developer’s engineer must revise the grades of the driveway at Block 1, Lot 2 and Block 3, Lot 3 to be between 0.5 and 10.0% at any point on the driveway. 33.The driveway on Block 3, Lot 4 must be moved out of the 10-foot side yard setback. 34.In the submitted plans, the pipe length in the profile view does not match the length of pipe in the plan view. This must be revised so the plans are consistent. 35.The watermain will connect the stubs at Kings Road and Mill Creek Lane to create a loop. 36.At the time of the final plat, the assessment for Minnewashta Parkway improvements plus the additional accrued interest must be paid or reassessed. 37.Water and sewer hookups are due at the time of final plat. The hookup fees will be assessed at the rate in effect at that time. Fire Marshal: 9 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 38.Proposed fire hydrant(s) location is acceptable. 39.No burning permits will be issued for tree/brush removal. They must be chipped or hauled away. 40.Prior to new home combustible construction fire hydrants must be made serviceable. 41.Prior to new home construction fire apparatus access roads capable of supporting the weight of fire apparatus shall be made serviceable. 42.A three-foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrant(s). Natural Resource Coordinator: 43.The trees should be field located as to allow for a 20-foot wide access to the pond. The applicant shall work with staff to delineate a clear zone to the pond. 44.Tree protection fencing shall be installed at the edge of grading limits near preserved areas of trees. Parks and Recreation: 45.In lieu of parkland dedication and/or trail construction, full park dedication fees shall be collected at the rate in force at the time of final plat approval. At today’s rate, these fees would total $46,400 (8 lots x $5,800 per lot). Water Resources Coordinator: 46.Wetland must be shown at the 948 foot contour and the 25-foot buffer and 30-foot setback must be shown accordingly. 47.All wetland and buffer areas not within an outlot must be contained within a drainage and utility easement. 48.Wetland buffer signage must be shown on the plan and installed concurrently with the erosion prevention and sediment control practices. 49.The applicant must apply for and receive a General Permit to Discharge Stormwater Associated with Construction Activity Under the National Pollution Discharge Elimination System/State Disposal System 50.The applicant must provide a standalone Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan (SWPPP) containing the required elements as detailed in the above permit to the city prior to any earth- disturbing activities. 10 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 51.A dewatering plan must be provided to the city and at least 48-hours notice given prior to drawing down the existing pond for the purpose of installing the infiltration bench. This dewatering plan shall be incorporated into the SWPPP. 52.The details must be changed to reflect the most up-to-date city standard details. 53.The invert elevation at the downstream end of the storm sewer pipe from CBMH 1 to the existing manhole shall be lowered to an elevation that allows for a greater slope than the immediately upstream pipe run. 54.The applicant’s engineer shall move the filtration bench to the west side of the pond outlet for improved maintenance access. If this is not practicable from an engineering perspective, supporting documentation must be provided to and agreed upon by the city. 55.A twenty (20) foot wide maintenance access which allows cross slope meandering shall be shown on the plan and provided for during construction. 56.SWMP Fees totaling $15,646.50 shall be provided to the City with final plat. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Commissioner Undestad noted the verbatim and summary Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated July 16, 2013 as presented. CITY COUNCIL ACTION UPDATE. Aanenson: I was going to mention that I did sign everybody on the Planning Commission up for the Planning Commission Journal so if you have problems getting it to your website let me know or Kim and we’ll get you on there but it’s a great read. Apologize it took me so long to get that going but I think this is really good for planning commissioners, some good articles in there so hopefully you’ll take the opportunity to read that. I’ll go right into City Council update if that’s alright. Aller: Yep. ndth Aanenson: So on the 22 they approved the Preserve 5 Addition for final plat and the development th contract. The Preserve 5 was approved and then was sold to a different developer so now there’s different builders in that development there. That coincided with, we need to be attached with the Jeurissen plat to go forward, the Preserve also needed to be given final plat approval so they’re pretty close to beginning grading out there now so the council did approve the Jeurissen and Camden Ridge is also coming back in too so they’ll get their grading going and they’re hoping to get some utilities and hopefully if they can see it through November, get some roads up in there so that project’s underway. th And then on the 12 they approved the summary ordinance for the Met Council did approve the land use amendment for the apartments so that project is, should be coming forward for a site plan agreement. Everything’s put in place for that. Once that’s close to be executed we’ll let everybody know. I know the neighbors are curious about that too so we’ve committed to let them know. We’ll also let you know too when that gets signed. They did approve the variance for the Carver Beach Road. The neighbors did appeal that one and unfortunately on that circumstance, as we alluded to before, they had a reasonable right and the Planning Commission and the council also felt that was reasonable size so then the Bluff Creek Cottages was also approved and that was the second iteration we’ve seen of the senior living project so they would like to get going on that too. So that’s just the site plan agreement on that so they’ll 11 Chanhassen Planning Commission – August 20, 2013 be working through that so that one may take place yet this fall too. And then they did approve the Preserve at Rice Lake. That one has a little bit more of, that one needs a land use amendment so that has to go up to the Met Council so the timeline on that might be a little bit longer but the developer wants to get going on that one too so you will be seeing some more projects coming in yet this year. I’ll segue to a future agenda items. FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA ITEMS. rd Aanenson: So then on your September 3 there’ll be one and that’s a townhouse project and that is in front of the Southwest Transit station there at 101 and Lyman and that will be for 36 townhouse units. th And then this Friday will be the deadline for something coming in on the 17. There’s a couple projects that are out there. We have a couple of, one office/industrial that may come in and do two potential commercials. Two potential three commercials so we’re just trying to see how they’re kind of doing some pre-leasing. Doing some things but we may see those yet this fall where they can kind of get their entitlements this fall and then start their construction after the first of the year so you’ll be seeing those. th And we are set for our tour. September 11 we’ll be finishing up kind of what that tour’s going to be and we’ll get you out that little bit more details on that so again that’s with the Environmental Commission and the Park and Recreation Commission too so. Weick: Kate, what time would this be? Aanenson: We try to start a little early because it gets dark so, if that works out for everybody we’re going to try, I think we start usually by, try to get out at least by 6:00 and then we’ll stop somewhere and grab a bite too and talk so I think, if that works out for everybody. I’ll make sure I get that out to you in plenty in time so you can adjust your calendars for that so. But again this Friday’s the deadline. We may th or may not have something on the 17 so we’ll let you know on that too so people can you know free up th their calendar if we don’t have a meeting. Since we’re having one kind of on the 11. There are two inbetween so. Aller: Great. I just want to say Lisa as a star performer on. Aanenson: Yes, you did a wonderful job. She was a little nervous but you did a great job. Yeah. Promoting the city, thank you. Hokkanen: It was fun. Aanenson: Yes. Aller: Alright. Anything else? Entertain a motion to adjourn. Withrow moved, Weick seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. The Planning Commission meeting was adjourned at 7:25 p.m. Submitted by Kate Aanenson Community Development Director Prepared by Nann Opheim 12