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3 1999 Skate ParkCIT¥OF 690 City Cemer Drit,e, PO Box I47 Chanhmsen, R/innesota 553/7 Phoebe 612937.1900 Genera/3~x 612 93~ 573~ E~ginee~i~g P~x 612.932 9152 h~blic Sa~9, ~x 612934.2524 ~3b ~,u,u~ cl. ch~nhasse~, m~. m MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: DATE: SUB J: Park & Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director June 15, 1999 1999 Skate Park Discussions about a skate park have been ongoing for over two years. To date, the following planning steps have been put into place. 1997 The site was identified on the City Center Park Master Plan for an aggressive skate park/winter hockey rinks. 1998 Approximately $75,000 was invested in constructing the 40,000 sq. ft. (200 ft. x 200 ft.) asphalt hard court to accommodate a summer skate park and winter hockey. This project included storm sewer, base preparation, asphalt, and some electrical work. 1999 · $15,000 was budgeted tbr skate park improvements in the 1999 Park & Trail Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program (CIP). City Center Park is substantially complete and nearing the time when the public can resume use of the park. The question now at hand is how should we invest $15,000 in skate park apparatus. BACKGROUND The skate park industry undergoes dramatic change over very short periods of time. The concept of public skate parks has been around for a dozen years; however, the majority of public endeavors have been launched in the past two or three. Materials vary widely between projects ranging from concrete to wood to metal to recycled plastic. The method of operation needs to be determined. Will there be a user fee? A security fence? Constant supervision? Most important, in The CiO, qf Chanhassen. A growing community u,ith clean lakes, qualil3, schools, a charmin~ downtown, thriving businesses, and beautif~d parks. A frazt p/ace to h've, tcork, and pla~. Park & Recreation Commission June 15, 1999 Page 2 the minds of our users, will be apparatus itself. How many pieces will there be? What type? Height? Layout? Where will the park go after the initial investment? Will it expand? Be successful? Be vandalized? In order to answer these questions, I make the following recommendation. RECOMMENDATION It is recommended that the Park & Recreation Commission recommend the city council to direct staff to work with a Citizen Skate Park Focus Group in making a purchasing decision for $15,000 in skate park apparatus under the following guidelines: 1. All structures must be less than 3 fi. in total height. 2. The site will be unsupervised. 3. Perimeter fencing will not be installed. 4. All apparatus must be affixed to the asphalt surface. 5. Minimum 10 ft. use zones will be maintained between apparatus. 6. Private ramps and jumps will not be allowed at the site. 7. Skaters will be required to wear appropriate personal protective equipment such as helmets, wrist guards, elbow and knee pads, and shoes. 8. Signage displaying park rules and hours, 6 a.m. to 10 p.m., will be posted. 9. The Park & Recreation Department, with involvement from Chanhassen and Carver County law enforcement, will enforce park rules and conduct. 10. A weekly maintenance inspection of the park will be conducted by the city's Park Maintenance Department. 11. During winter months, the skate park apparatus will be stored, making way for hockey board assemblies. ATTACHMENTS g:\park\th\skatepark\prc memo 6-15-99.doc CITYOF CH H SEI 690 C/r), Center Orive, PO Box 147 C/;anhassen, Mi,,esota 55317 Phone 612.937. I900 Ge,eral Fax 61293Z 5739 ~)~gi,eeri,g F~x 612 937. 9152 P~b& Sago, Fax 612934.2524 ~3b wtv~ H. ct,a,hasse,, m,. us MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director DATE: February 16, 1999 SUB J: Skate Park '99 The 1999 Park and Trail Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program includes $15,000 for a "Skate Park." The first ingredients of a skate park were included in the re-construction of City Center Park. The concept of a skate park has been a Park and Recreation Commission agenda item for 18 months. In order to complete the project as currently envisioned by the Park and Recreation Commission, additional dollars will need to be raised and a project management committee formed. How would the City Council like me to proceed? Options include: Form a Grass Roots committee to raise additional capital and manage the design and construction process. 2. Construct what we can using the $15,000. 3. Postpone the project. Some background information is attached. pc: Park and Recreation Commission g:',park lh',SkatePark99Memo The G0, of Cha,hasse,. A growing commu,iO, with clean lakes, qtta/ity schools, a char, ti,~. dow,tow,, thrivi,g busi,esses, and beautifid parks. A great place to live, work, a,d pla~. CITYOF 690 CiryCenter Drive, PO Box 147 Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317 Phone 612.937.1900 General lax 612.937.5739 Eugineering Fax' 612.937.9152 &tblic Safe7 Fax 612.934.2524 l~b wwu:ci, chanhasse~.m,.us MEMORANDUM TO: Mayor and City Council FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director DATE: February 16, 1999 SUB J: Skate Park '99 The 1999 Park and Trail Acquisition and Development Capital Improvement Program includes $15,000 for a "Skate Park," The first ingredients of a skate park were included in the re-construction of City Center Park. The concept of a skate park has been a Park and Recreation Commission agenda item for 18 months. In order to complete the project as currently envisioned by the Park and Recreation Commission, additional dollars will need to be raised and a project management committee formed. How would the City Council like me to proceed? Options include: Form a Grass Roots cormnittee to raise additional capital and manage the design and construction process. Construct what we can using the $15,000. Postpone the project. Some background information is attached. pc: Park and Recreation Commission 1999 RYAN D. RING 6441 Pleasant Park Drive Chanhassen MN 55317 Phone: (612) 470-9781 CiTY OF CHANHASSEN May~r Nancy Mancino Chanhansen City Hall 690 City Center Drive Chanhaeqen, MN 55317 Dear Mayor: My name is Ryan R/ng. I am 14 years old and a student at Minnetonka High School, even though I live in Chanhassen. I'm writing this letter to try to start an indoor skate park in Chanhassen. A skate park is a place where rollerbladers, skateboarders, and BMX bikers can go to do tricks. This project would have many improvements to the community; here's some examples: I. Skaters would have a place to go skate other than business property. 2. It would keep kids offthe street and give them sometlfing to do. There obviously are problems, though; most of all funding. This is what drives most cities from this project. I have some solutions though. One of them is sponsorship from a company. I've already contacted Rollerblade, but I don't know how this works or if it's even possible. Another solution is donations from various places; maybe a church or a local organization. Rollerblading, skateboarding and biking aren't necessarily team sports, so parental support compared to a sport like football is less. Perhaps the skate park could have a free competition every Saturday that parents could come to watch. The competition would be really light and not so stressing. We could also make tapes of the competitions that could be sold later; this would produce some extra revenues. It would be nice to have a free public park, but that's a lot to ask for, so we would need some ways to produce extra money. We could charge skaters $6 admission, and offer a membership of $60 to $70 per year where they would gel ia for half price. Safety is a major issue too. The skate park would definitely require a helmet, but whether we require any more Ih_an that, I don't know. Well, there are definitely too many details to express here on paper. All I ask is that you keep an open mind about this. If you could contact me, if possible, at the address and phone number above, I would be obliged. Thank you. Sincerely yours, Ring Skateboard Park Gives Tualatin Youth Choices, Voices and Fun Tualatin youth salvoly par- ticipated in designing and fund- raising for a skate park and raised move than $170,000 in contXJbutJons fcom 460 donors. Young people became empow- ered, learned ahcmt local g~vom- mcat, strengthened civic pride, and presented a positive imag~ of youth. Tuatatln is a communi- ty of 21,000, located 12 miles south of Portland, Ore_ Tuslatin lligh School stu- dente asked the City Council to support them in building a skate park to provide a safe place for skateboarding and in-line skat- ing. Tha students offered to work on fl~e design, fund-raising, oou- structlon. ~and maintenance. The ~ouncil viewed this as an opportunity for young people to be involved in the cemmunity end to nddre.~ an existing safety concern. A skate park could also provide needed after school recreation while helping resolve an emerging issue involving iocai business and people who skate. The Council agreed to enable the youth by providing funds to develop a conceptual design and Mt estimate and to assist with fund-raising and staff support. A consulting firm experienced in skate park design was hired to work with young people through n prooe.~ that respond- ed to skaters' interests and culti- vated a sense of n~mership. Three interactive design work- shops were held at the high school nnd middle school with more than 50 young people and parents in attendance at each workshop. During the workshops, the youth ~t goal,~ reviewed alter. nntives, nnd arhieved consonsus on design details of thc 9.800 square-foot ['aci{ity. The concep. tual cest estimate was $165,000, and a phasing plan was pre- A fund-ruising committee consisting of y, mth and adults was formed. It was co~haircd by a student from thc high ~hool leadership class and a member of Cikv Council. The committee prepared a fund-raising plan ~4th a three-month timetable. More than $170,000 in dona- lions of cash and in-kind labor and materials were received during the thc. e-month fund- raising campaign. With more than 460 donors, the list is a 'who's who' of community indi- vidusls, organizations, and busi- The mayor, several past and current members of the City Coundl, and Parks and Recre- ation Department staff were actively involved in the fund- raising campaign. The Tigard- Tualatin School Board was cam- polled to donate generously as well. Dr. Ru~ Jokl, superinten- dent, said the School Board donated because it 'promoted a positive alternative for kids aRer they get out of schooL' More than 50 companies agreed to donate materials and labor for the project. The general contractor coordinated with the donars s_nd 611ed in the gaps ss needed on a time and materials basis, lle donated overhead and profit and the fiat concrete work. Yo~h tmpowermen{ The Tualatin Skate Park pro- ject yielded long-lasting benefits to individuals and thc communi- ty beyond the recreations] facili. t~ that was the youth's goal. ~This project is giving the stu- dents hands-on experience sot~ ting goals, planning and design- ing a major project, fund-raising and marketing, and working within the political proce~q to ~calizc a o)mmon goal. What a {great opportunity for them,' says Rich llager, a former city coon- future civic leaders and their enthusiasm is contagious." Chris Bergstmm, 19, a high ~chc~d strident leader and newly elected member of the City Council, said 'City Councilor Cain .sat down with the student bed3 and explained a timeline about how city government works. It was vo~y educational. rye learned how to get things done instead of just talking about them.' Bergstrom said being involved with city govern- Young planners helped design the spectators and offers many features popular. meat has taught him that a good leader dues more listening than talking. "I had the chance to see how pohtics work," Erlka Myers said. "I also learned how generous the people in the community are. The rommunity saw a positive side of youth,' said Myers, 16, a high school junior, who gave fund-raising status reports to the city council dm-lng its tele- vised meetings. Local businesses saw the youth involvement and it inspired their support. ~l'here has been an amazing communi- ty involvement in this project, especially from the business community," Mayor Lan Ogden ~id. "And it has been the youth that have made this happen. They proved what vision and passion arc all about." ~We wanted to contribute to something that could help stu- dents who may be at-risk get involved in something more pos- park, which provides space for which make street skateboarding Rive,' said Kelly Mellow of Home Depot. ~Yhe kids seemed to real- ly toke os~ership of this project and that was neat to see,' she said. Jeanne Engerrman, who owns a sa]on that ran a ~haircut- a-than' to raise money for the project, aaid,~It is my pleasure to help the younger residents acquire something they want so much.' Ad P~ Increeses Porilcip~k~ Wendy Dunder, a ]ocal 8rtist, d~nated her time Lo mentor high school students in designing a 2- tool high by 30-foot wide coesm- ie mosaic mural. The mural was 8ssembled by middle school stu- dents, under Dander's gnidanee, and mounted onte 8 low concrete wall at the entmnve of the skats park. ~Many of the kids who had lasting involvement were those that are not served by other nrtivities sponsored by sohool, Young people became empowered, teanted about local goverttmettt, strengthened civic pride, and presented a positive image of youth. communiLv, church, or service groups like scouts. Those were the ones who really hung in there and worked hard," said Dunder. 'I never really got involved in something like this before", said Kellye Justice, 12, a middle school student. 'q'his helps both the school and the park, and it sounded like a lot of fun." Dun- der said one of the best compli- ments she overheard one young person say to another in the lin- go of the day was ~tley, that's phat." · Details: Contact 15~ul lien- non, Parks and Recreation Director, Telephone 503-692- 2000, extension 931; fax 503- 691-9786; or small phparks@telcport.com. Community youth played an active'role in funding the public facility and took greater and greater pride as doaations grew. CITY OF CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 September 8, 1997 Mr. ga~drew Spevacek 6474 Murray Hill Road Excelsior, MN 55331 Dear Andrew: Thank you for the letter regarding your interest in seeing that a BMX track is built in Chanhassen. Biking tracks have been a topic of conversation among our Park and Recreation Cormnission members in the past. This Commission is a seven member group of locat residents who advise the City Council on issues pertaining to parks and recreation. I will submit your inquiry to them on September 23, 1997. Upon printing the Comlnission's agenda for that evening, I will mail you a copy. I encourage you to attend this meeting to discuss your idea with the Commission° Approximately one year ago, a small group of high school students approached the Commission on a similar issue, an aggressive skate park. Today, plans are being made to construct such a facility at City Center Park. Again, thmtk you for your letter of inquiry. If you are able, please attend the Park and Recreation Commission meeting on the 23rd of September. The meeting starts at 7:30 p.m. and is held at Chanhassen City Hall in the Council Chambers. You are also free to contact me by phone at 937-1900 ext. 121 to discuss your idea. Sincerely, Todd Hoffinan Park and Recreation Director TH:ns c: Don Ashworth, City Manager City Council Park and Recreation Commission (1) Dear City Planer, First off I thank you for taking your time to read my letter. And now the point. A few days ago my mother told me about all the new land you had bought on & I thought maybe you could develop part of that land in this way. My idea was to build a BMX Track somewhat like the one in Maple Plane. Encase you don't know what a BMX Track is it's a dirt track with jumps for bicycles that are like Mountain Bikes except they have no gears, one handle break & are shorter. You might have seen kid riding bikes like that. 1. I think this track will benefit kids & adults because... 2. it's closer for both kids & adults. 3. Adults don't have take so much time driving there & back & it would be more convenient so adults don't have to plan out all that time driving. 4. Chanhassen has a lot of kids in it's area & I bet most of those kids own a BMX Bike or know what one is or they have a bike that they could ride on the track. 5. I know that kids & adults both are into BMX racing, jumping & tricks so this track would be a lot of fun for a lot of people. I would appreciate if you would consider my idea & please wright back with your comments or ideas. I'm also sending some track designs I thought of. Thanks again. Sincerely, Andrew Spevacek Phone: 470-9697 Address: 6474 Murray Hill Rd. Excelsior, MN 55331 City Council Meeting - S%.~mber 22, 1997 Don Ashworth: Well it has been awfully wet too. Councilman Senn: Wow! I was kind of taken aback so to speak. In the, let's see, there's a second item. Letter to Andrew Spevacek I think it is. We've had two or three conversations on this now and this letter still says, which was just written here this past week. Today plans are being made to cons'truct such a facility in City Center Park regarding the skating park. I really don't, I thought we agreed that we were going to put the brakes on that whole discussion on it and we were going to kind of get back to look at it...these types of facilities. Yet here we are still sending letters out to our residents kind of telling them it's already coming. I don't know. I'm getting disappointed on this one especially since I've brought it up four times now and it's still happening every week. And the other one I have we already talked about so that was it. Mayor Mancino: Any other discussion items? I think that's it for tonight. Mayor Mancino adjourned the meeting at 9:55 p.m. Submitted by Don Ashworth City Manager Prepared by Nann Opheim 54 City Council Meeting - Sel_,,~mber 8, 1997 Councilman Berquist: Let me, I hate to even open this can of worms. All right, I won't. Councilman Mason: Because it is. It's not even a can. It's a case. Mayor Mancino: Any other comments from Council members? May I have a motion please. Councilman Mason: I will move approval of item l(j) in the opus that all the items will come into compliance. Mayor Mancino: I would, could I add to that and be a little more specific? I would like to approve the site plan review #97-8 as shown on the site plan dated received June 13, 1997, subject to the following conditions. Thank you. Number 1. The applicant shall apply for a building permit. Number 2. Composting shall take place on the nursery site only. Actually I would like to make sure that we have a legal description of that nursery site being Outlot D or the legal description please. And 3. The public ad&ess system shall be in compliance with the stipulation agreement. Is there a second? Councilman Engel: Second. Councilman Mason moved, Councilman Engel seconded to approve Site Plan Review #97-8 as shown on the site plan dated received June 13, 1997~ subject to the following conditions: The applicant shall apply for a building permit. Composting shall take place on the nursery site only, described per the legal description. Public address system shall be in compliance with the stipulation agreement. All voted in favor and the motion carried. ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION DISCUSSION: Mayor Mancino: Any questions on the Admin Section? Councilman Senn: On the memo from Todd, which is what, the I, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. What is that 8? Yeah, eight one down and stuff. I just wanted to kind of reiterate our direction from last Council meeting which is not to proceed with inclusion of that in a comp plan for central park and stuffuntil we've had a chance to put that into our discussion framework on capital and other improvements and stuff going forwar& And to not spend funds towards planning that until we get more information on it and. I was also intrigued basically in the history and all the historical stuff that Todd provided. Don, I think it would really be helpful if we could get more information that would be a little more, how would I say, you know what's the user group. How many people is this thing going to serve? Where are they going to come from? You know part of what we're probably going to end up having to do in relationship to capital improvements is to somewhat look at them on a little bit on the basis of you know, we only have so many resources and not enough resources to do what everybody wants to do but you know, I think we need to define user groups and how many people those improvements are going to benefit and that sort of thing so it'd be nice to start having that information be part of suggestions like this. Mayor Mancino: I didn't also see a cost related to the skate park either. Councilman Senn: Well that's part of it, yeah. 35 CITY OF MEMORANDUM TO: Don Ashworth, City Manager FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director DATE: September 2, 1997 SUB J: Response to City Council Inquiry; "Skate Park" Skate parks have been a topic of conversation with the Park & Recreation Commission for just over one year. The concept of a skate park which provides jumps and ramps for in-line skaters and skate boarders was initiated by a group of local high schoolers. This group has carried the Iorch on this initiative for the past twelve months. Attached you will find correspondence and meeting minutes pertaining to this topic. The most recent action taken by the Park & Recreation Commission was at their July 29, 1997 meeting. That evening, the following motion was approved: "Commissioner Manders moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to designate a skate park as a component of City Center Park. Planning for the facility is to be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan development detailing the renovation of City Center Park, with planning to occur in the fall/winter of 1997/98, and construction to occur during the 1998 season. All voted in favor and the motion carried." G:Xpark~thXskateparkccupdate.doc City Council Meeting - Augu~L 25, 1997 Councilman Berquist: Right. Don Ashworth: So you'll be getting the response from Halla. That again will be in this next week's agenda. I think there's a secondary letter also there from engineering. Councilman Berquist: Did we premise approval of that entry on this being taken care of?' Mayor Mancino: Yes. Two things. First of all, Dave Hempel and Sharmin and I met with the Halla's on Friday and after that meeting Sharmin went back and made sure that the items in the stipulation agreement had all been signed. And then adhered to by the Halla's so we can go ahead with the front entry. We had stipulated...agenda that if there is adherence of the stipulation from the Halla's that we would go ahead with that consent agenda item so she checked everything on Friday and will be writing a letter and letting us know that they're adhering to the stipulation. We also talked about the ravine and they are, they have stopped dumping in it and they do have to go back and compact the soil and do what engineering has asked them to do in there and... The only agreement that we did not reach was where to do above ground composting which will come to the... So and what I heard from Sharmin, they are in compliance with the stipulation 100% at this date. Except for the above ground composting. Councilman Berquist: Do you mind if I jump right in here Mark? Councilman Senn: Go right ahead. Jump away. Jump back in, whatever. Councilman Berquist: The letter dated August 11 from Elliott to our building official. Reaffirming a new court date of October 15th. Something change that I'm not aware of in my absence? Mayor Mancino: The homeowners association, the Oak Hills Homeowners Association asked that we delay the trial date and we did and it was postponed until this date. Councihnan Berquist: Is this after the date of the civil? Don Ashworth: They wanted to be able to have time to work on the civil side. We did get one complaint from one of the homeowners that felt that that didn't represent all of the homeowners position and I responded to that saying, word we got was from the President and you'll have to talk to the President. Councilman Berquist: And then, go ahead Mark. I had one other thing I wanted to talk about. Councilman Senn: Let's see I talked to Scott on most of his stuff. Let's see here, what was it. Bond sale I just asked that Pam get the info together and I think you all got a copy of that tonight so we have a chance to kind of start looking at that ahead of time. Let's see here. Oh, I know one. Someone referenced of the, I think it's from the Parks and Rec one. A reference that they were going to go ahead ,4 , mS ~,and include a skate park layout and design in the comprehensive plan for Central Park. I don t know how -" - ithe rest of Council feels about that but I would like to see the skids put on that one immediately until we ?J¥ ,/have some chance to review what we're talking about. I wasn't even aware that we were talking about /building a skate park. And before we start beginning a planning task to include it. I Councilman Berquist: Skateboarding and inline are the, I remember seeing something about. [ Councilman Senn: Well-our inline is all developed out at the Rec Center. Well I don't know. 46 AGENDA PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, JULY 29, 1997, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE *Please meet at Lake Susan Park at 7:00 p.m. prior to the meeting. 7:30 p.m. CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioners may add or delete items at this time. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS VISITOR PRESENTATIONS Commission Procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this time. Ifa motion is required, the item will be forwarded to the next available agenda to allow for publication and review prior to consideration. APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1. Approval of summary minutes dated May 20 and June 24, 1997. NEW BUSINESS 2. Determine Official Designation of Lake Susan Park Waterfront. OLD BUSINESS 3. Aggressive Skate Park PROGRAM REPORTS 4. a. Summer Programs b. Recreation Center Monthly Report c. 4th of July Celebration Evaluation ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS 5. a. Encroachment of Parkland; West Lake Susan - VERBAL .b. -Letter43fAppreciation; Commissioner Volunteers, 4~h of July Celebration ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET ADJOURNMENT Park & Recreation Commission Meeting July 29, 1997 A special meeting of the Chanhassen Park & Recreation Commission was held at 7:00 p.m. on July 29, 1997, to conduct a site visit of the Lake Susan Park waterfront and the Twin Cities and Western Railroad bridge underpass on Highway 5, near downtown. These site visiis were held to help determine whether or not a formal beach should be maintained at Lake Susan Park and whether or not a pedestrian trail is feasible adjacent to the railroad from downtown Chanhassen to Lake Susan Park. The regular meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. The following members were present: Chair Lash, Commissioners Howe, Manders, Roeser, Meger, Frank and Berg. Staff members present: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer and Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisors; and Brad Eller, Facility Supervisor. The agenda was approved as presented. There were no public announcements or visitor presentations. Approval of Minutes: Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Roeser seconded to approve the minutes of May 20, 1997 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Commissioner Roeser moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to approve the minutes of the June 24, 1997 meeting as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. NEW BUSINESS Determine Official Designation of Lake Susan Park Waterfront: The commiss~o~ discussed a variety of issues surrounding the potential development of a public beach at I,ake Susvr~ Parko Issues such as permitting, signage, power boat issues, schedule, and necessary public hearings were discussed. The commission felt that the adjoining neighborhoods would appreciate a public beach at Lake Susan due to its convenient access. The commission acknowledged that the water quality of Lake Susan is not as good as other lakes in the city, but also recognizes that the existing waterfront is already being used for swimming. Commissioners were concerned about the potential relationship between an expanded public beach and increased power boat or jetski usage. However, the majority of commissioners favored the development of an "official" public beach at Lake Susan Park. Upon conclusion of their discussion, Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Manders seconded to schedule a public meeting to discuss the potential development of a beach at Lake Susan Park on Lake Susan. Proper notification is to be sent. All voted in favor and the motion carried. OLD BUSINESS .aggressive Skate Park: Commissioners continued their discussion on the potential development of a skate park in Chanhassen. The commissioners discussed resources which may Park & Recreation Commission Minutes July 29, 1997 Page 2 be available to assist in the construction of this skate park. Those include inline skate companies, the Market Square Management Group, technical colleges, and a desig/~ contest with rewards. The commission agreed with staff's recommendation to incorporate a skate park into the redesign of City Center Park scheduled for construction in the summer of 1998. As such, Commissioner Manders moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to designate a skate park as a component of City Center Park. Planning for the facility is to be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan development detailing the renovation of City Center Park, with planning to occur in the fall/winter of 1997/98, and construction to occur during the 1998 season. All voted in favor and the motion carded. Program Reports: The following Program Reports were received by the commission: Summer Programs, Recreation Center Monthly Report, and 4th of July Celebration Evaluation. In response to those reports, Commissioners recommended a variety of changes to the 4th of July Celebration that included the selection of a new band for the 1998 celebration, incorporation of additional food vendors, the continuation of the community parade, the reintroduction of the treasure hunt. Administrative Reports: The commission received the following reports: Encroachment of Parkland-West Lake Susan, Letter of Appreciation-Commissioner Volunteers for the 4th of July Celebration. The commission also took time to discuss the responses from the Economic Development Authority regarding the Pauly/Pony/Pryzmus site and the old Red-E-Mix site. The commission concurred with the response of the EDA and is anxiously awaiting their planning efforts. The commission also discussed the inquiry of the Economic Development Authority regarding a trail underpass of the Twin Cities and Western Railroad (TCWRR). Generally commissioners had some significant reservations to this aligmnent. Nevertheless, in the spirit of maintaining an open mind, they ordered a limited feasibility study. This study is to cost no more than $500. This motion was made by Commissioner Roeser and seconded by Commissioner Berg with all voting in favor. There were no questions on the administrative packet. Commission Presentations: Commissioner Berg requested that lines be painted on the basketball court at Meadow 'Green Park and that the history street signs program continue to be pursued. Commissioner Manders moved, Commissioner Howe seconded to adjourn the meeting at 9:10p.m. Toad Hot'fman Park & Recreation Director CITY OF 690 COULTER DRIVE * P.O. BOX 147 * CHANHASSEN,.MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 93~-1900 · FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: DATE: SUB.I: Park & Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director July 23, 1997 Aggressive Skate Park The commission has been corresponding with a group of young residents for a number of months regarding "skating" opportunities in Chanhassen. Public endorsement of city run skate parks is on the rise as documented in the July edition of the Parks & Recreation magazine. Copies of the articles that I am referring to are attached. You may have already read them upon receipt of your copy of the magazine. Proper planning is an essential ingredient in ensuring the success et these facilities. With recent voter approval to remodel City Center Park, the timing is r/ght to construct :a skate park in Chanhassen. I believe a facility in City Center Park is superior to any other site due to/ts proximity to the central business community and the core of the city's population. RECOMMENDATION It is recommended that the Park & Recreation Commission designate a skate park as a component of City Center Park. Planning for the facility should be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan development detailing the renovation of City Center Park. Planning for the facility should occur in the fall/winter of 1997/98 with construction to occur during the 1998 .construction season. ATTACHMENT 1. Park & Recreation Magazine Articles c: Kate Aanenson, Planning Director Charles Folch, City Engineer Scoa Harr, Public Safety Director g:'~l,~rk'ah~ka t cpark, doc AGENDA PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, MAY 20, 1997 5:30 P.M. SITE VISITS, 7:30 P. M. REGULAR MEETING CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE 5:30 p.m. - SITE VISITS Lake Susan Trail, Prairie Knoll Park, Instant Web Soccer Field, Park Place, Galpin Blvd. Parkland, Autumn Ridge Trail, Stone Creek Park, Creekside Trail, Proposed Gateway Development, Roundhouse Park. 7:30 p.m. - CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioners may add or delete items at this time. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS VISITOR PRESENTATIONS Commission Procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this time. Ifa motion is required, the item will be forwarded to the next available agenda to allow for publication and reviexv prior to consideration. APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1. Approval of summary minutes dated April 22, 1997. NEW BUSINESS Determine park, trail, and recreation conditions of approval for preliminary plat to subdivide 48.99 acres into 54 single family lots and 1 outlot, located north of Highway 5 on the east side of Highway 41, South of Lake Lucy Road, Highover Addition, Jerome Carlson. OLD BUSINESS 3. Annual Review, Lake Ann Batting Cage. 4. Feasibility P-,em. iew, Chanhassen Skate Park PROGRAM REPORTS 5. a. Spring Dance Recital b. 4th of July Celebration c. Recreation Center Monthly Report ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS 6. a. Lake Ann Park Summer Season b. Summer Newsletter c. Park, Open Space & Trail Special Election COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET ADJOURNMENT Park & Recreation Commission Minutes May 20, 1997 A special meeting of the Chanhassen Park & Recreation Commission was held at 5:30 p.m. to conduct site visits of the Lake Susan trail, Prairie Knoll Park, Instant Web soccer field, Park Place cul-de-sac, Galpin Boulevard parkland (Forest Meadow Outlot A), Autumn Ridge trail, Stone Creek Park, Creekside trail, and proposed Gateway development. The regular meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. The following members were present: Commissioners Lash, Howe, Manders, Roeser, Meger, Frank, and Berg. Staffpresent: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer and Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisors; Nathan Parr, Facility Supervisor. The agenda was approved as presented. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The April 22, 1997 Park & Recreation Commission minutes were approved as presented. NEW BUSINESS DETERMINE PARK, TRAIL, AND RECREATION CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE 48.99 ACRES INTO 54 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND ONE OUTLOT, LOCATED NORTH OF HIGHWAY 5 ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY 41 SOUTH OF LAKE LUCY ROAD; HIGHOVER ADDITION, JEROME CARLSON: The staff report was presented to the commission regarding park and trail conditions of approval. Mr. Donald Peterson representing the applicant also made a short presentation. Following discussion of all pertaining issues, Commissioner Meger moved that the Park & Recreation Commission recommend the following condition of approval pertaining to parks and trails for the Highover Addition: 1. Payment of full park and trail fees per city ordinance in lieu of parkland dedication or trail construction. 2. The identification of the power line easements as a trail corridor. Said trail to be maintained ~n a turf condition. Motion seconded by Scott. All voted in favor and the motion carried. OLD BUSINESS ANNUAL REVIEW, LAKE ANN BATTING CAGE FEASIBILITY REVIEW, CHANHASSEN SKATE PARK: After a discussion between Josh Peters and the commission, action was tabled until the July meeting. At that time staff is to present a comprehensive feasibility study on the construction of an aggressive skate park within the City of Chanhassen. Park & Recreation Commission Minutes May 20, 1997 Page 2 PROGRAM REPORTS: The following program reports were given: a. Spring Dance Recitatal b. 4th of July Celebration c. Recreation Center Monthly Report ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS: The following administrative reports were presented: a. Lake Ann Park Summer Season b. Summer Newsletter c. Park, Open Space, and Trails Special Election COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET ADJOURNMENT Respectfully submitted, Todd Hoffman Park & Recreation Director CITY OF MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: DATE: SUB J: Park & Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director May 15, 1997 Feasibility Review, Chanhassen Skate Park Mr. Josh Peters, 1005 Stoughton Avenue, continues to correspond with me regarding a potential skate park in Chanhassen. On Thursday, May 8, I had the opportunity to participate in a workshop at the John Rose Oval in Roseville. This event focused on the future of aggressive in- line skate and skateboard parks in public settings. These parks contain a variety of ramps associated with aggressive skating. A brief overview of the outcomes of this workshop are listed below. I would like the opportunity to explain these findings in more detail next Tuesday evening. 1. An indoor location is optimal. 2. If constructed outdoors, the park needs to be enclosed with security fencing. 3. Supervision must be provided during hours of operation. 4. Protective padding is mandatory. Handouts distributed at the meeting are attached. Both Mr. Josh Peters and Mr. Scott Holra have been notified of this discussion. g:Xpark~th~katepark.doc PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 22, 1996 Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Jim Manders, Jane Meger, Mike H~we and Frank Scott. MEMBER ABSENT: Ron Roeser STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director; Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisor;, J. J. Ryan, Facility Supervisor APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Approved as presented. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: Chanhassen Skate Park: Scott Hallra discussed plans for a Chanhassen Skate Park with the commission. Other young men were also present to discuss the merits of providing facilities for youth in the community. The commission encouraged Mr. Hallra to stay involved in seeing the project through. o Request to Rename Chanhassen Pond Park to Kerber Pond Park: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director presented a letter of request from the Chanhassen Senior Men's Club. The Men's Club is requesting that Chaahassen Pond Park be renamed to Kerber Pond Park. The Men's Club believed the new name would tie the park historically to the Ke&;er farm which occupied such a long and continuous history for decades in Chanhass~:s, 5rs', i:,:~ the township, then in the village, and now in the City of Chanhassen. Further, it is their belief that the renamed park's location ties in directly and logically to Kerber Blvd., making for easy directions to residents and visitors who wish to view the park and its pond. Following commissioner comment, a motion was made by Scott and seconded by Howe to schedule a public hearing to consider the renaming of Chanhassen Pond Park. All voted in favor and the motion carried. APPROVAL OF SUMMARY MINUTES: Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Manders seconded to approve the minutes of September 24, 1996 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. TELECOMMUNICATION TOWERS AND FACILITIES IN CITY PARKS: Kate Aanenson, Planning Director was present to discuss telecommunication towers and facilities in city parks. It was determined that prior to approval of any telecommunication towers within park facilities that the Park & Recreation Commission would have the opportunity to review such plans. It was also .noted that .it would be the commission's desire to see any and all lease dollars generated from park sites be utilized in the betterment of the city's park and recreation systems. PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 22, 1996 PAGE 2 RENTAL POLICIES, CHANHASSEN RECREATION CENTER: Patty Dext.er, Recreation Supervisor reviewed with the commission changes from the previous draft of the rental policies. Upon completion of discussion, Commissioner Manders moVed, Commissioner Meger seconded to approve the rental policies as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. PROGRAM REPORTS: Fall Programs: Halloween Party Summer Softball Evaluation Senior Center ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS: Facility Supervisor $.J. Ryan was present and gave an update on the Recreation Center including information on evening child care; rental usage; and participation numbers for aerobics classes, fitness room and open gym. DIRECTOR'S REPORT: Historical Signage: The commission directed staffto continue correspondence with the Senior Men's Club regarding historical signage on street signs. COMMITTEE REPORTS: A variety of committee reports were given. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET' ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Meger seconded to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m. Submitted by: Todd Hoffrnan Park & Recreation Director AGENDA PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1996, 7:30 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITYCOUNCIL, 690 COULTER DRIVE 7:30 p.m. - CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVAL OF AGENDA VISITOR PRESENTATIONS Commission Procedures allow for presentations from the audience at this 'time. Ifa motion is required, the item will be forwarded to the next available agenda to allow for publication and review prior to consideration. APPROVAL OF MINUTES I. Approval of Summary Minutes dated August 27, 1996. NEW BUSINESS 2. Preliminary Findings, Chanhassen Skate Park. OLD BUSINESS 3. Rental Policies, Recreation Center. PROGRAM REPORTS b. d. e. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS 5. a. Recreation Center Facility Supervisor (Verbal) b. Director's Report COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS ADMINISTRATIVE ?A'CKET ADJOURNWIENT Fall Programs Skating/Hockey Program 1996 Lake Ann Park Concessions/Boat Rental 1996 Lake Ann Park/South Lotus Lake Park Gate Attendants Senior Center Report '. PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES SEPTEMBER 24, 1996, REGULAR MEETING Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:33 p.m. Members Present: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Ron Roeser, Jim Manders, Jane Meger, Mike Howe and Frank Scott. Staff Present: Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director; Patty Dexter, Recreation Sup'ervisor; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor; and Michelle Braun, Facility Supervisor. Approval of Agenda: Approved as presented. Visitor Presentations: None Approval of Minutes: Commissioner Roeser moved, Commissioner Scott seconded to approve the verbatim minutes of August 27, 1996. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Preliminary Findings, Chanhassen Skate Park: Tabled for further discussion. Rental Policies, Recreation Center: Commissioners gave the following direction regarding rental policies at the Chanhassen Recreation Center: · Separate gym rentals from meeting room rentals · Consider set-up fees for gym rentals o Consider no show and short notice cancellation fees for meeting rooms · Maintain minimum participant policy · Consider room set up · Consider prime time vs. non-prime time rentals · Consider extending the time paid rentals can reserve into the future Upon conclusion of their discussion, Commissioner Berg moved, Commissioner Roeser seconded to table the rental policies for the Chanhassen Recreation Center to the October meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously. Program Reports: · Fall Programs · Skating and Hockey Program · 1996 Lake Ann Park Concessions/Boat Rental · 1996 Lake Ann Park/South Lotus Lake Park Gate Attendants · Senior Center Report Administrative Reports: · Recreation Center' Facility Supervisor · Director's Report Commission Member Committee Reports: Commissioners Scott and Manders gave reports on the activity of the Park Task Force. Commissioner Meger moved and Commissioner Scott seconded to adjourn the meeting. Time: 9:30 p.rm Todd Hoffman Park & Recreation Director OF 690 COULTER DRIVE · P.O. BOX 147 · CHANHASSEN,.MINNESOTA 55317 (612) ~3~-1900 · FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: DATE: SUB J: Park & Recreation Commission Todd Hoffman, Park & Recreation Director September 18, 1996 Preliminary Finding, Chanhassen Skate Park My preliminary finding regarding a Chanhassen Skate Park is that we have a considerable education "curve" to undergo. The attached 28 page Design Proposal for a Burnsville City Skate Park will be more effective in describing the work which "goes into" such a facility than any report I could prepare. Mr. Scott Holrah and the other young men who spoke to the commission should also find it interesting. Please note the information from Berkley Risk Services titled "Managing the Skateboarding Risk Exposure." RECOMMENDATION Let this one "cook" for a while. There is more to initiating a "Skate Park" than meets the eye. g:'~ark~th~kalepark.e CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 27, 1996 Chairwoman Lash called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Jan Lash, Fred Berg, Ron Roeser, Jim Manders, Jane Megcr, Mike Howe, and Frank Scott STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Supervisor; and Patty Dexter, Recreation Supervisor APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Lash: Are there any changes by any commissioners or staff?. Hoffman: Other than a note that ! received an item on the Recreation Center fees for the park pavilion building... A note on the top, this item will be added to tonight's agenda... Lash: Okay. Can we just add that to the end? Hoffman: Yes. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: Hoffman: Chairwoman Lash and Commission, I'm aware of one. Mr. Scott Hollrah of 2450 Bridle Creek Road would like to talk about Rollerblading in the community of Chanhassen. He has some representatives with him here this evening and with that I'I1 let Scott explain what they're interested in. Scott Hollrah: My name is Scott Hollrah. Me and most of these guys over here, we all like to skate a couple times a week. We'd like to do it in town. We've had problems recently with places kicking us out. They don't want us skating there and that's understandable. And we all wanted someplace that we can go and skate without getting into trouble and you know skating, it's a positive activity. People look at it as being negative but it really isn't. A skate park would give us a place for people to go during the summer. Keep out of trouble. I brought a video of a skate park in Dallas and this would be something we kind of, kind of the things that we'd want to put up here in Chanhassen. Maybe not quite so elaborate as this one but sOmething similar. A video was shown at this point. Lash: Scott, is this a private or a public facility? Park and Rec Commission ~ August. 27, 1996 Scott Hollrah: This is a private facility in Dallas. They have charged, let's see the first time, I've been here 3 or 4 times. There have been charged is the first time it's like $15.00. The second time it's $9.00 and then after that you pay...next four times it'd be $9.00 and then after that you pay $5.00 to skate. Depending on...open to the public. Howe: Have you been up to Roseville? Have you seen the Roseville oval? Scott Hollrah: I have not been up there. We were actually going to try to get out there today but they're closed right now. They're re-doing some of their equipment. Howe: They're building something like this. Not on this kind of scale. I don't know what the costs are but it's a very nice facility. I've been impressed with it. I know that's a drive for you but. Scott Itollrah: Yeah, yeah. We were actually going to, we had all planned on going out there today. Actually Josh back here, he's been out to the Rose several times. Josh Peters: My name is Josh Peters. I'm from Chaska. Yeah, I've been out to the Rose a couple of times. It's, the first time I was out there it wasn't what I had really expected. They were planning, I know the guys that are building the city park next to here, they were planning on ~having it this year. As of, well somebody took over...this year. They hired...with the town of Eden Prairie to run, you know set up a skate park and they had some difficulties this year. I guess agreeing.. I guess Roseville pulled them off of it but I guess they had some difficulties just agreeing on...getting a permanent facility there. Next year I guess they're going to have a lot of stuff out there. And we've been out there I guess so it's yeah, a totally smooth fac.~lity~ It's nice. It gives opportunities to anybody that's got hockey. It's got an indoor hockey rink Speed skating. I mean you can.just.., and it's all right next to the Roseville civic center where the boys and girls play hockey and I think that it could be, I thought it was okay but it wasn't worth the money. I paid $6.00 to get in and it really wasn't the worth the money for what I thought. I mean what you.just saw I tlfink would be worth the money. I'd be glad to pay to $15.00 or maybe even $20.00 to skate in something like that because it's, I mean I skate real well but I don't skate to gain...or anything and I don't know, it's just the way. Not all of us here, I mean not all of us want to play baseball or play soccer. That doesn't mean I'm interested in other sports but I came to think that once I found out about this...I didn't play hockey as a kid but I had a strong skating basis so I,just started doing this once I found out there got to be a market for it and now I just skate for fun of it. I skate on Chaska ice. Scoa Hollrah: And another thing, the aggressive skating which is what this is called. It's really picking up. Last year the industry itself was supposed to sell about a million and a half dollars worth of stuff. This year, I don't know, maybe it was more than a million but this year...it's expected to do well over a billion dollars so this is really picking up. Josh Peters: Yeah, and you've got like, well they have the X Games. I don't know if anybody might have seen on ESPN...but ESPN has got kind of just a game like the Olympic Games for extreme sports. That's guys who are doing inline skating, BMX bikes. BMX biking. Park and Rec Commission - August 27, 1996 Skateboarding. Sky surfing, which is like snowboarding from 10,000 feet in the air. And I mean and then it is a tour, which travels around to different cities like mostly in California but it first goes to California and then it travels to New York, Chicago, I think Miami. It goes to Miami and then there's another tour called ESA Tour which goes to, they live in Texas and all the world. Actually that's now a world tour. They go to Germany and Australia and I think. Scott Hollrah: I don't know what your concerns are about this. I know that in the past liability has been a concern but really what's going to protect ifa kid goes and falls on a slide on a playground. You know it's still a public facility and. Manders: I guess a question about the use. Is there much of a difference between inline skating or skateboarding? Scott Hollrah: No. They're doing the same kind of stuff. The equipment would be used for BMX, skateboarding. Manders: I guess what I'm thinking is in terms of some of the facilities that we have now for inline skating in the summertime with the old hockey rinks. How that might offset some of this need. Scott Hollrah: Well that's the inline hockey group. That's hockey. I mean I do play inline hockey a little bit too. Yeah, that's over by the Bluff Creek Elementary, is that what you're saying next year I guess. It wasn't ready for this year. Maybe it is now but yeah. Lash: Well is it possible just to, this is an indoor facility. Would it be possible just to build some ramps and things like that and put them in the hockey rink in City Center for the summer? Josh Peters: Yeah, that's. Lash: I mean you know, liability is a big issue but money's a really big issue. We don't have the land or the money to build some kind of a thing like that for public use. I can see a private company possibly doing it but it'd be nice if we could set up some kind of ramps if we could get past the liability. Hoffman: Scott and I talked about that. First I'd like to congratulate them for keeping their promise on coming in this evening and talking to you. We met on the front steps I think it was last Tuesday or Wednesday, and we talked about the new inline skating rinks and that's really not what they're into. They'd like to see some i'amps and to do that, what I'm familiar with in family activities and neighborhood activities and these driveway ramps are a big thing... So I asked Scott to kind of define his request and I think Jan you're getting to that. What they're looking for is some kind of alternative recreational choices other than just inline skating hockey. And you can manage the recreation center so you have one rink. That type of thing.., skating and hockey, if you wanted to look into that. Park and Rec Commission - August 27, 1996 Lash: How difficult would that be to do? Could that be a winter project for some park staff?. Or can it be an Eagle Scout project? Hofrman: Yeah, I'd be glad to do a report on it. Check out liability costs. Howe: You guys would pay to use this? Like buy a ticket. You'd pay? Scott Hollrah: Oh yeah. Also if funding, if that's a problem I was thinking you know, we could have competitions. Local people from around the Twin Cities and come...help kind of get things going to pay for the equipment costs. Josh Peters: Another thing I found out the liability on skaters, skateboarders that just moved here from Wisconsin. In Oshkosh, Wisconsin they have an outdoor skate park. It's not like a huge one but this is just, I'm just giving my opinion. I think what they did is, all they did, it's not really big and it doesn't have a lot of huge things but it has, the only liability it has is a skate at your own risk sign and it seems to have worked at Oshkosh. I mean it's not...Chanhassen but it's worked fine. They haven't had any lawsuits. Well not that I know of. Scott Hollrah: At most skate parks they have you sign a waiver...if anything happens to you. Hoffman: Thanks for coming in Scott. Anyone want to make any other comments? Berg: I have a couple of quick comments. Can I ask a question? Hoffman: You bet. Berg: You guys have any idea what the age range is that would be using this? Scott Hollrah: Ail the way from 13 to about 24. There's a lot of interest, actually a little younger than that. I've seen 9, 10, 11 year olds. Berg: Male and female? Scott Hollrah: Yeah. Josh Peters: Female's picking up. Scott Hollrah: Yeah, females are really starting to get into it... Lash: Well thanks for coming in. Todd will do a little investigating. Get back to us and Scott, could you be kind of the communicator so if we talk about it, Todd could let you know where we're at and what we're going to do about it and you can communicate to your fellow skaters.? Scott Hollrah: Okay. 4 Park and Rec Commission - August 27, 1996 Howe: Todd, check with Roseville. They're building one of these. They're doing it. Lash: Okay, we'll move on, Are there any other visitor presentations? Jim Hofer. I'm Jim Hofer. 7098 Red Cedar Cove. I have a letter to the Commission. I'd like to read it. As a member of the Minnewashta Round House Park Focus Team I helped create the recommendations that are being placed before you tonight. As a also close neighbor, Red Cedar Cove, of the proposed park, I encourage you to modify your recommendations. The proposed lighted hockey/inline skate rink is the last thing this neighborhood needs. There are several established rinks within a couple miles of the proposed park. Cathcart, the new recreation center and downtown all have existing hockey rinks. This park addition will ruin the...I would much rather see empty space, grass or even weeds than a lights and fence...hockey rink. In addition the proposal would allow overflow parking on Kings Road was not approved at the focus team meeting. The only comments concerning parking were about limiting parking availability and not allowing public parking on Kings Road. Neighborhood parks should not require overflow parking. The...parking area and on street parking encourage...should be discouraged with a small park. The regional park on Highway 41 should be where people are encouraged to go and not Mirmewashta...taking into account the existing environment that you...on your visit this evening...how that would be destroyed with an almost professional hockey facility and near...parking. A neighborhood park does not need to be jammed full of amenities. It would be more enjoyable as an open area for families to meet and enjoy...activities. Lash: Thank you. We'll continue on with this discussion in just a minute. Do we have, thank you. The first item on our agenda is approval of the summary of Minutes dated July 23rd. Is there a motion? Are there any corrections or deletions? Is there a motion to approve? Berg moved, Scott seconded to approve the summary Minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated July 23, 1996 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried. RECEIVE RECOMMENDATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD FOCUS GROUP~ MINNEWASHTA PARKWAY/KINGS ROAD PARKLAND. Public Present: Name Address Jon Fogelberg Art Allerman Margaret Parsons Dorothy Downing Dave Heartla Larry & Nancy Wenzel 3821 Red Cedar Point 3821 Red Cedar Point 3732 Red Cedar Point 7200 Juniper Road 6870 Minnewashta Parkway 6900 Minnewashta Parkway 5 .... 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HOT I~OZES A very basic piece of street course equipment which is u.~Jally a rectangular shaped box which may vary in any dimension, it may b~ equipped with metal edges ancot rails. Fun boxes average 4' wide by 8' long. 6' to 36' _ ~ign and can also be combined with other pieces. Prices genera,ly range/rom $200-$600. ~ "',,~ Generally used for landing on in conjunction with other pieces, they can also be substituted for ~ ~aunch ramps, such as at each end of a fun box. Pdces generally range from $200-5600. LAUNCH n LAND BOXES - Encompassing the three element": aDove, this piece may be composeq of three pieces pushed together or, built as a single, stronger unitized piece suc~ as HOT RAIL,.~'I-IOT RAMPS offem. This piece is frequently equipped with rails andJor metal edges. Sizes vary greatly in height and wi~h. The length will be dictated by the height. Pdces generally range !rom $1.200-$9.000. Completely portable fly-boxes are availaDte for easy and sturdy site erech0n. ///~ ~ HIPS A section of curved ramping, it may be tall & narrow, short & wide. free standing, or even propped against another piece of equipment. These add to the challenge of a street course and are always a great addition. Pdces generally range from $300-$1.600. (depending whether free-standing or not) This piece of equipment varies greatly in size but generally consists of two hip-like pieces joined, or pushed fogether to create one unit. Spines may even be spaced some distance from each other to c~ate a different character street course. They may also be equipped with steel edges or pipe coping for additional trick, s° Pdces generally range 'rom 5500-'3'nOt3' (may be much higher f°r elab°rate "arge'area' spine st"uctures) pyRAMIDS These free standing pieces vary tremendously in shape and size. The common element is usually three or ramps leading to a fiat surface. The ramps might be flat or curved, and the flat sudace might have a vertical wall behind it or some other design. The classic pyramid is ju~ like the name, but with a fiat deck in~ead of a point. Prices generally range from $1 This very 13asic unit provides the opportunity for advanced sldlls and assists in gathering more speed and mom for tricks on other pieces of equipment. Sizes range from 6' to 12' wide by 4' to 8' high. The transition carve is a critical element on the quarter pipe. There can bo a 'deck' at the top of this piece which skaters use to 'drop-in' to the course or just to hang out on, Pdces generally range from Actually composed of two quarter pipes spac,~:l some distance apart from .each.other and joined together ~ ~, by a floor to create a singl~ unit for skating also known as VERT. Vert ramps vary greatly ln he~ght and wi~h and some I J even have added features such as additional vertical wall for some portion of the structure. Sizes vary from 8' to 30' ~ ~, or more wide. by 4' to over 15' high. The length of half pipes range from 12' to over 30'. Half pipes have a deck at the ~ -- of ea~ ~rved side for '(~ropping-in' or waiting on. Prices generally range from '2.000-$60,000. There are many other possibilities for action. Pieces may be attered for inline, skateboard, or BMX use. Items which may affect pdcSng include: UPgraded surfaces such as masonite or steel, metal edges such as angle iron, flat plates, or pipe copings. Hot Ra~I~JHOt Ramps wfll at, erupt to offer every piece of equipment in several configurations. Namely: fully built (off-site or on); frame only (where you build with our framing componen~ but cut and supply all or some of the lumbe0; or frame plus pre-cut components. Remember that all Hot Rags/Hot Ramp~ component~ and/or designs are property engineered to provide accurate structural integnty. MOST EQUIPMENT CAN BE SHIPPED IN 2-3 WEEKS... READ Y FOR USE/.!! HOT RAILS IS PROUD TO 'HAVE PROVIDED STREET EQUIPMENT TO THE Typical Start-Up Order: RAILS (Modest Budget) 5,000 sq. ft. (minimum) (1) set of Hot Rails consisting of: (1) Slant Rail, (1) Kink Rail, (1) Rectangular Rail (1) Ground Hogg, (2) Extension rail kits. @ $1,150 '"" RAMPS (2) Hot Ramps Launch ramps (commercial duty) (1) 36" high x 4' wide by approx. 6' long (1) 24" high x 4' wide by approx. 6' long (1) Hot Ramps Launch & Land Box 36" high x approx. 22' long x 4' wide complete with curved transition and sloped landing ramp; also with a full length Iow rail on one side and metal edging along the other. (Customer to specify which side for each) (1) or (2) Hot Ramps 1/4 pipe(s) 6' high x 8' wide with pipe coping (1) Hot Ramps Spine 4' high x 6' wide with pipe coping (1) Hot Ramps Pyramid 2' high x 16' square wi 4' sq. top @ $800 ea.'''''~ @ $750 ea.~--~' @ $3,900 ea. ~ $2,600 ea. $2,450 ea. $4,500 ea.,c- Add- (as more area allows ) (1) Hot Ramps Combination Box 3' or 4' high x approximately 6' wide x 24' long Combining at least 2 transitions, a hip, rails, etc. (1) Hot Ramps Extended combination Spine & Vert 4' to 6' high by 16' wide by approximately 40' to 60' long l/ / O0 $4,500 ea. @ please call ,VERT or HALF-PIPES 3' to 5' high x 16' wide; approx $4-9,000. 6' or higher; please call for pricing. Shipping and handling is aiways quoted seperately CONSUL TING or SITE SUPERVISION Hot Rails can also build the side support frames and ship them to the jobsite. Our trained supervisors can then teach your workers how to assemble our sturdy elements. This works great for community involvement projects. We even provide a complete list of materials and tools needed for local purchasing and/or donating. Don't forget...Hot Ramps builds STEEL RAMPS as well May 18, 1999 Park and Recreation Commission City of Chanhassen 690 City Center Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 Dear Sir or Madam: My name is Matt Lohman and I am a 15-year-old skateboarder who has recently moved into this area. I understand that the city of Chanhassen is in the process of planning a skatepark. I concur with this proposal and have included fairly decent skatepark plans which can lower the overall cost of the park. It is my hope that you find these plans useful. Sincerely, Matt Lohman Enclosure RECEIVED 1~¥ 21 1999 QTY OF GHANHASSEN Design simplicity Smoothness of SurfaCe Flatbottom NO overcrowding Pushing Room :, '~ .... No Blocks 'or Ledges Over Your Bellybutton Edges that Grind PurnpableHips ~ . . . 1. Flatbottom Any skate~park design must have a minimum of 10 feet of flatbottom between obstacles and opposing transition. Skateboarders generate speed by pumping up and down the transitions and can carry speed for good distances across flat, smooth concrete. Maximum flatbottom ~llows more skateboarders to skate simultaneously and avoid colli- aions. Recovery from the last trick and set-up for the next is made eas- ier when one can adjust stance or line across the flat. No design should have two opposing walls where a skater can fall from one wall and slam into the other. Not being able to roll or nm out ora bail can mean the difference between a scraped elbow and a trip to the hospital. 2. Transition Transition between fiatbottom and inclined surfaces can be accom- plished with either of two designs: round with a perfect radius curve like a swimming pool. or banked with a tighter transition curveto a flat bevel like a modified drainage ditch. Height of the wall to the top of the lip may determine the measure of these tran- sitions, but the angle should be no more than 50'. A small, round transition wall, no more than 4 feet high would be skateable with a S-7 foot round radius, while a taller, round transition wall would call for a larger radius of maybe 6-9 feet. 3. Lips, EdgeS, and Coping The edges of any wall, bank or skatepark pool must be hard and Erindable. Skaters are looking for something to grind or slide on · vhen they Eet to the top of a wall. You can't be on the edge if there is no edge. A slightly protruding lip edge allows a skater to know exa,ctly where they're at by feel. A round, metal coping edge (mini- mu!m 2~/2 outside diameter, steel pipe) that sticks out slightly. grinds well and protects the cement edge from wear.~A big, round edge at the top of a wall or bank is useless and considered boring to skate after only a short period. 4. Curbs, BlOCkS, Steps, and Walls Everyday street elements such as these can and should be included in modem skatepark design. Curbs, blocks and steps function best in a park situation when judiciously used in combination with other ele- ments, such as a curb at the top ora banked wall. Another idea is to create a street area away from any bowls and banks, or incor- porate Mocks and steps into the surrounding boundary land- · caping of the park on which skaters can either sit or skate. ' / ocal governments besieged by th~ proliferation ~khtepark design in this ,*. of skateboarders have been trying to address ~"modern era" is not rocket the need for Public facilities intended for the science and designs may be very. sole use of skateboarders. Cities and counties with no successful in various sizes with- experience.in building "public skateparks" have taken, in available terrain. A properly the expedient route by building copies of earlier pub- designed park would be safe and lic parks (most of which were total failures), or hiring challenging for both beginner and expert. Skateboarding is a architectural firms with little or no experience in creative sport, ever evolving, as skatepark design, its practitioners create new moves or execute old ones in new terrain. The challenge of building a successful skatepark is in building a facility that allows the beginner ~-~ to take up the sport and learn its intricacies, but remains provoca- - ' five for veterans. Skateparks have generally been built with the idea , that very radical haphazard struc- tures are somehow challenging to skateboarders. Nothing could be further from the truth, but this attitude may have developed from people seeing urban skaters per- form tricks on what the unschooled perceive to be a total- ly radical structure. However, skaters do not skate unskateable terrain. They view all concrete, asphalt, bricks, and the like through different eyes: the simple curve in a ramp suddenly becomes a perfect transition; the stair railing a perfect sliding sur- face; the simple cement block a ~-~ ~ ~j ~ great grinding platform. · Modern skatepark design is then really ~tmixture of the urban ~ environment and the suggestions of skateboarders. It emphatically The "Warlord" is not the crazy, mogul-like fan- tasies of desk-bound architects. Skateparks are not like ballparks or courts that have set rules ,9 regarding dimensions and play- ''' · ' ing surface. We can, however, .tot's Note: By no meam is ~ the ultimate ~tepari~ It i~ ~nply something for create skateparks within a bud- local government~ to work ~th ~nd climate the so-aflled 'hn~e. ape erchtt~zt~' who get that varies from hundreds of design bogus parks, get paid. and never skate them. Remove these pages from the mag dollars to hundreds of thousands and bring them to your next town meeting. Be sure to send photos and directions of dollars without wasting tax ~aen your park is done...dake Phelpt , dollars. Although the amount of moneY spent may vary, the quality of the skating experi- ence will always be high if the proper design is executed. Our design is based on :~ a plot of land less than the size of four tennis courts and targets cities that want a permanent facility that offers a safe and cre- ative environment for skaters of all levels. We present this design because we feel most cities will have 'this type of investment in mind, the plans could be changed to accommodate smaller budgets. Changes to the design should be considered by a group of skate- boarders who are really the only ones who can assess impact on the overall park. Thrasher highly commends the cities and counties who have built parks. Many communities set out with the noble goal of provid- ing a good place for kids to skate and have fun, only to discover that greedy so-called "skatepark designers" took most of the funds in fees and proceeded to design facilities that skaters deemed unskateable. We hope that our plans serve as a take-off point for a new era of public skateboard parks which will be functional, easily built, and long-lasting. At one time skaters had trou- ble convincing their cities to build skateparks, procure the land and appropriate funding. Cities have finally responded and are building .facilities for skate- boarders, but the problem is that many are so poorly designed as to be dangerous, unfunctional, and, in the end, no fun to skate. Pumping, or gyrating between two opposing walls, is the basis for what skatepark design is all about. Recreating the basic shapes that skaters find in empty swimming pools, drainage ditch- es, and on the street is the reason for building skateparks. Trying to invent new, untried skate terrain has never worked. The snakerun concept with round edges and no flatbottom was a surfer's fantasy that didn't work twenty-five years ago and still doesn't work today. Wake up and smell the concrete.