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CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
SUMMARY MINUTES
JANUARY 18, 2005
Chairman Sacchet called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. and gave a brief introduction of
the role of the Planning Commission and how the meeting and public hearings would be
conducted.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Uli Sacchet, Kurt Papke, Dan Keefe, Rich Slagle, Jerry McDonald,
and Steve Lillehaug
MEMBERS ABSENT:
None
STAFF PRESENT:
Bob Generous, Senior Planner; Sharmeen Al-Jaff, Senior Planner; Matt
Saam, Assistant City Engineer, and Josh Metzer, Planner I
PUBLIC PRESENT FOR ALL ITEMS:
Janet Paulsen 7305 Laredo Drive
Debbie Lloyd 7302 Laredo Drive
OATH OF OFFICE:
Chairman Sacchet administered the Oath of Office to Jerry McDonald.
REQUEST FOR REZONING OF PROPERTY FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL
DISTRICT TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND SUBDIVISION
WITH VARIANCES ON PROPERTY LOCATED EAST OF HIGHWAY 41, SOUTH OF
HIGHOVER DRIVE, AND NORTH OF GUNFLINT TRAIL, YOBERRY FARMS, LLC.,
DAVID HURREL, AND KAREN WEATHERS, PLANNING CASE NO. 04-43.
Public Present:
Name Address
Mark Erickson 2216 Hunter Drive
Dan Lun 2373 Hunter Drive
Lauren Damman 6934 Highover Drive
Laura Bray 6983 Highover Drive
Michael Horn 7024 Highover Court
Karen Weathers 7235 Hazeltine Boulevard
Dean Simpson 7185 Hazeltine Boulevard
Candice McGraw 2446 Highover Trail
Kathy Mack 6984 Highover Drive
Ray Alstadt 2423 Highover Trail
Larry DuMoulin 6966 Highover Drive
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Bill Coffman 600 West 78 Street
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Steve Johnston 510 1 Avenue North, Minneapolis
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Chuck Alcon 6138 76 Lane, Greenfield
David Hurrell 7420 Bent Bow Trail
Scott Bittner 2398 Hunter Drive
Bob Krueger 2350 Hunter Drive
David & Kathleen Fulkerson 6900 Highover Drive
Larry Lovig 2475 Gunflint Court
Philip Haarstad 7066 Harrison Hill Trail
Patrick Brunner 2443 Hunter Drive
Matt Mesenburg 2428 Hunter Drive
Jo Mueller 2529 Longacres Drive
Mark Zaebst 2325 Hunter Drive
Carrie Sprosty 7163 Fawn Hill Road
Lori Dinnis 2362 Hunter Drive
Kathy Koscak 2351 Hunter Drive
Kristin Bunkenburg 2300 Hunter Drive
John Graham 6935 Highover Drive
Jeff Tritoh 2313 Hunter Drive
Dave Bordeau 2418 Hunter Drive
Todd Rech 2408 Hunter Drive
Keith Abrahamson 2403 Hunter Drive
Rosalie J. Nast 2448 Hunter Drive
Scott Smith 2395 Hunter Drive
Dan Hanson 2390 Longacres Drive
Julie Lohse 7094 Harrison Hill Trail
Bill Borrell 2300 Longacres Drive
Jennifer Rysso 7108 Harrison Hill Trail
Andrew & Tina White 7122 Harrison Hill Trail
Paul Ottoson 7080 Harrison Hill Trail
Mike & Candi McGonagill 2451 Hunter Drive
Ping Chung 7000 Highover Drive
Chairman Sacchet excused himself from the Planning Commission for this item due to a personal
conflict of interest. Vice Chair Slagle conducted the public hearing for this item. Sharmeen Al-
Jaff and Matt Saam presented the staff report. Commissioner Keefe asked staff to explain
MnDot’s explanation of access control, and to clarify the distances between access streets on
Highway 41. Acting Chair Slagle asked staff to further clarify the access requirements, the
reduction in grade of the road and the placement of the bushes in the utility easement. The
applicant, Chuck Alcon stated they are re-looking at the northeast corner of the plat and
rearranging the street configuration. Commissioner McDonald asked for clarification on what
traffic studies that have been conducted. Acting Chair Slagle asked the applicant to confirm the
placement of the sidewalk system and clarification regarding a totlot. He then re-opened the
public hearing.
Tom Hirsch, 2290 Longacres Drive, President of the Longacres Homeowners Association
reviewed the package he delivered to the commissioners prior to the meeting addressing access,
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traffic, the use of their private park by residents of this new subdivision and maintenance of entry
monuments and parks. Mark Zaebst, 2325 Hunter Drive, speaking on behalf of a large number
of residents of Longacres, elaborated on the traffic issues and specifically on Hunter Drive. Julie
Lohse, 7094 Harrison Hill Trail expressed concerns with the road that’s being proposed adjacent
to her back yard and reviewed the different options being proposed. She also had concern with
the residents in this neighborhood using their private park. Rodd Wagner, 6915 Highover Drive
had concerns with traffic and asking that access from this development onto Highway 41 be
explored further or exploring the possibility of having two cul-de-sacs from the north and south
into this development. Andrew White, 7122 Harrison Hill Trail, being in the business and
working on a downtown project, suggested that if the developer had held a neighborhood
meeting prior to the public hearing, the process would have gone more smoothly. Paul Ottoson,
7080 Harrison Hill Trail, having looked at over 100 homes before buying in Chanhassen, never
saw a home with a street in the front yard and a street in the back yard. Larry Lovig, 2475
Gunflint Court felt there is a very serious problem with the traffic that will be going along
Hunter and asked that the commission find a way to find access to 41. Jennifer Rysso, 7108
Harrison Hill Trail stated she wanted to emphasize again that the purpose of the proposed road
lying directly adjacent to her property is to serve 4 to 5 homes at the risk of compromising 8
homes that are already existing. Uli Sacchet 7053 Highover Court South reiterated his concern
with the proximity of the cul-de-sac to his property, He asked that a condition be added that the
grading limit and tree preservation line be adjusted to where the actual grading takes place. His
second request would be that two birches on the planting plan be replaced with evergreens as a
buffer from car headlights and asked for clarification on ownership and maintenance
responsibility for the pond on the south side of Highover. Larry Dimlin, 6966 Highover Drive
expressed a big concern with through traffic on Highover Drive. He wanted to echo what Rodd
Wagner said in taking a look at a cul-de-sac on the north as well as the south end of this new
proposed development and access from 41 into this development. Michael Horn, 7024 Highover
Court concurred with the comments of Rodd Wagner, specifically with regard to the traffic and
access off Highway 41. Lauren Damman, 6934 Highover Drive concurred with the possibility of
an access off Highway 41. Nora Wagner asked about the possibility of sound walls being
constructed for the neighbors adjacent to Highway 41. Acting Chair Slagle closed the public
hearing and asked staff to comment on the issue of the access off Highway 41. After
considerable discussion and comments from commissioners regarding traffic, access onto
Highway 41 and parks, the following motions were made.
Papke moved, McDonald seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of
the preliminary plat for planning case #04-43 for Yoberry Farms for 57 lots and 8 outlots
as shown in the plans received December 20, 2004, subject to conditions 1 through 46. In
addition adding condition number 47. That the developer remove Lot 4, Block 4 to move
Gunflint Trail as far west as feasible and to allocate use of that space as a totlot. Papke and
McDonald voted in favor. Slagle, Keefe and Lillehaug voted in opposition. The motion
failed with a vote of 2 to 3.
Lillehaug moved, Keefe seconded that the Planning Commission recommend denial of the
application for planning case #04-43 for Yoberry Farms for 57 lots and 8 outlots as shown
in the plans received December 20, 2004. All voted in favor, except Papke and McDonald
who opposed, and the motion carried with a vote of 3 to 2.
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In comments, Commissioner Lillehaug stated his belief that it is feasible to make a connection to
Trunk Highway 41, concerns with the traffic volumes on the north and south streets from the
development, regarding the easterly cul-de-sac, there’s other options that could minimize a
couple of lots and create a totlot.
PUBLIC HEARING:
REQUEST FOR SUBDIVISION OF 1.19 ACRES INTO 3 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS
WITH VARIANCES ON PROPERTY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST INTERSECTION OF MURRAY HILL ROAD AND
MELODY HILL ROAD, JOHN HENRY ADDITION, PLANNING CASE NO. 05-05.
Public Present:
Name Address
Richard Herrboldt 6464 Murray Hill Road
John DeLuca 6484 Murray Hill Road
Gil Kreidberg 6444 Murray Hill Road
Greg Nelson 2165 Murray Hill Court
Josh Metzer presented the staff report on this item. Commissioner Keefe asked for clarification
on buffering requirements between lots. The applicant was not present. Chairman Sacchet
opened the public hearing. Gil Kreidberg, 6444 Murray Hill Road stated the fact that the
applicant is not here is slightly distressing because it makes it difficult to really determine the
nature and the character of what they’re going to construct there. John DeLuca, 6484 Murray
Hill Road expressed concern with the size of the lots being proposed and what will be built there.
Chairman Sacchet closed the public hearing. After commission discussion, the following motion
was made.
Slagle moved, Lillehaug seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval of
the preliminary plat for Planning Case 05-05, John Henry Addition for 3 single family lots
as shown on the plans received December 17, 2004, subject to the following conditions:
1. Environmental Resources Specialist conditions:
a. A minimum of one planted tree shall be required in the front yard of each lot.
b. Tree preservation fence shall be installed at the edge of the grading limits prior to any
construction.
c. All trees shown as preserved and outside of the grading limits as shown on plans
dated Received 12/17/04 shall be saved. Any trees removed in excess of proposed
tree preservation plans will be replaced at a ratio of 2:1 diameter inches.
2. Submit drainage calculations and drainage map for staff review and approval at time of
final plat.
3. On the plan:
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a. Show a minimum 75 foot rock construction entrance.
b. Call out the proposed house types on Lots 2 and 3.
c. Show silt fence around the grading area.
d. Show the existing access drives on the western side of Murray Hill Road.
e. Show the locations of the proposed sanitary sewer and water services to the new lots.
f. Show the location of the proposed driveways for the new lots.
g. Show existing topography and structures within 100 feet of the property line.
h. Show the existing sanitary manhole rim and invert elevations along with all of the
existing utility pipes in Murray Hill Road.
i. show 30 foot rear yard setback.
4. All sanitary services must be 6” PVC-SDR26 and water services 1” copper.
5. Since the applicant is now proposing more units (3) than what the property had been
previously assessed for, the additional two units will be charged the sanitary sewer and
water connection charge. The 2005 sanitary sewer and water connection charges are each
$5,118 for a total per unit or per lot cost of $10,236. Based on these rates, the total
amount due payable to the City for the additional two lot units will be $20,472 (2 @
$10,236.).
6. Add the following City detail plates: 1005, 2001, 5300, and 5301.
7. If importing or exporting material for development of the site is necessary, the applicant
will be required to supply the City with a detailed haul route and traffic control plan.
8. The sanitary sewer and water hookup charges will be applicable for each of the new lots.
The 2005 trunk hook up charge is $1,458 for sanitary sewer and $2,955 for watermain.
Sanitary sewer and watermain hookup fees may be specially assessed against the parcel
at the time of building permit issuance. All of these charges are based on the number of
SAC units assigned by the Met Council.
9. As part of the development improvements, the developer will be required to extend water
and sanitary sewer services to the property line of each new lot.
10. All of the utility improvements are required to be constructed in accordance with the
City’s latest edition of Standard Specifications and Detail Plates. The applicant is also
required to enter into a development contract with the City and supply the necessary
financial security in the form of a letter of credit or cash escrow to guarantee installation
of the improvements and the conditions of final plat approval. The applicant must be
aware that all public utility improvements will require a preconstruction meeting before
building permit issuance. Permits from the appropriate regulatory agencies will be
required, including the MPCA.
11. A professional engineer registered in the State of Minnesota must sign the plans for the
utility improvements.
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12. Erosion control blanket shall be installed on all slopes greater than or equal to 3:1. All
exposed soil areas shall have temporary erosion protection or permanent cover year
found, according to the following table of slopes and time frames:
Time
(maximum time an area can remain unvegetated
Type of Slope
when area is not actively being worked)
Steeper than 3:1 7 Days
10:1 to 3:1 14 Days
Flatter than 10:1 21 Days
These areas include constructed storm water management pond side slopes, any exposed soil
areas with a positive slope to a storm water conveyance system, such as a curb and gutter
system, storm sewer inlet temporary or permanent drainage ditch or other man made systems
that discharge to a surface water.
13. Street cleaning of soil tracked onto public streets shall include daily street scraping and
street sweeping as needed.
14. Based on the proposed developed area of approximately 1.19 acres, the water quality fees
associated with this project are $1,301; the water quality fees are approximately $3,219.
At this time the estimated SWMP fee, due payable to the City at the time of final plat
recording is $4,520.
15. Full park fees shall be collected at the rate in force at the time of final plat. The 2005
park fees rate is $4,000. Park fees for John Henry Addition will be $8,000.
16. Building Official conditions:
a. A final grading plan and soils report must be submitted to the Inspections Division
before building permits will be issued.
b. Separate water and sewer service must be provided for each lot.
All voted in favor, except McDonald who opposed and the motion carried with a vote of 5
to 1.
PUBLIC HEARING:
REVIEW LAND USE OF HILLSIDE OAKS SUBDIVISOIN AND POTENTIAL LAND
USE AMENDMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL-LARGE LOT TO RESIDENTIAL-LOW
DENSITY ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF POWERS
BOULEVARD AND LYMAN BOULEVARD, PLANNING CASE NO. 05-06.
Public Present:
Name Address
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Keith Buesgens 1300 Oakside Circle
Dana Muller 8550 Sunset Trail
George & Jackie Bizek 8750 Powers Blvd.
Brent Miller 1200 Lyman Boulevard
Arild Rossavik 8800 Powers Boulevard
John Hill 1360 Oakside Circle
Steve Buan 8740 Flamingo Drive
Margaret Tran 1330 Lyman Boulevard
Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item. Commissioner Papke asked staff to clarify
the proposed zoning to the south of this area on the other side of Lyman that’s part of the AUAR.
Commissioner Slagle asked for clarification on zoning in this whole southern part of the city and
if staff feels this immediate area would be better developed if the lots were to come in
collectively rather than individually. Chairman Sacchet asked for clarification on the time line of
previous applications. Chairman Sacchet opened the public hearing.
Arild Rossavik, 8800 Powers Boulevard reviewed past correspondence from the City regarding
the number of sewer and water hook-up assessments for his property. He stated a number of
neighbors are in support of this land use change and showed the impact of the new Highway 212
to this area. George Bizek, 8750 Powers Boulevard stated he’s against the rezoning change, as
he has been every time this issue has been brought before the City. John Hill, 1360 Oakside
Circle stated he and his wife, Brenda do not support the rezoning and never have. Margaret
Tran, owner of Lot 6 stated she and her husband are not in favor of the rezoning. Keith
Buesgens, 1300 Oakside Circle stated he’s not interested in subdividing his property right now.
He may be in 15 years but not at this time. Steve Buan, 8740 Flamingo Drive stated there ought
to be a comprehensive plan of how the whole 20 acres is going to develop, not piecemeal.
Chairman Sacchet closed the public hearing. After commission discussion, the following motion
was made.
Lillehaug moved, Papke seconded that the Planning Commission affirms the land use map
designation of Residential-Large Lot for Block 1, Hillside Oaks Addition. All voted in
favor, except Slagle and Sacchet who opposed, and the motion carried with a vote of 4 to 2.
PUBLIC HEARING:
CODE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 20-615 TO AMEND SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL (RSF) LOT WIDTH REQUIRMENTS.
Public Present:
Name Address
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Dennis Wolt 4291 West 200 Street, Jordan
Michael Callies 937 Shumway Street, Shakopee
Ronald Jabs 217 Juergens Court, Jordan
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Scott Rosenlund 622 West 82 Street, Chaska
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Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item. Chairman Sacchet clarified that this applies
to all lots, not just lots on curves. Commissioner Keefe asked staff to clarify if there would be a
need to raise the 15,000 square foot minimum for lot size. Commissioner Papke wanted to make
sure this change was not encouraging unintended consequences. Chairman Sacchet opened the
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public hearing. Scott Rosenlund, 622 West 82 Street, Chaska stated his son and him are small
contractors who currently have the property at 6500 Chanhassen Road under contract to develop.
They are concerned that this change will make the development not feasible. Chairman Sacchet
asked staff to clarify when this ordinance amendment would take effect. Commissioner Slagle
asked if a date could be set when the ordinance would become effective. Janet Paulsen, 7305
Laredo Drive asked for clarification on which lots this standard would apply to, where the 100
foot width is measured, and if this will create larger cul-de-sacs. Debbie Lloyd, 7302 Laredo
Drive stated that the notification that was sent to builders read 95 feet which is an error. She also
stated the lot width was changed in 1996 and asked what the lot width was prior to that change
and how many lots in Chanhassen will become non-conforming. Chairman Sacchet closed the
public hearing. After discussion the following motion was made.
Lillehaug moved, McDonald seconded to table action on the code amendment to Chapter
20-615 to amend single family residential (RSF) lot width requirements. All voted in favor
and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0.
PUBLIC HEARING:
CODE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 20-904 TO REGULATE ACCESSORY
STRUCTURES.
Josh Metzer presented the staff report on this issue. Commissioner Papke asked staff to explain
how this amendment would affect the construction of greenhouses. Commissioner McDonald
clarified that docks with boat house covers would be exempt. Chairman Sacchet opened the
public hearing. No one spoke and the public hearing was closed.
Slagle moved, Lillehaug seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of
amending Section 20-904 (Accessory Structures) of the City Code by adding subsection (d)
to read as follows:
(d) Accessory buildings constructed primarily of canvas, plastic fabric or other similar non-
rigid materials, as determined by the Building Official, shall be prohibited. Accessory
structures shall be built of materials compatible and comparable to those of the principle
structure.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Commissioner Lillehaug noted the verbatim and summary
minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated January 4, 2005 as presented.
Chairman Sacchet adjourned the Planning Commission meeting at 10:45 p.m.
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Submitted by Kate Aanenson
Community Development Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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