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CC Minutes 02-09-2015Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 Mayor Laufenburger: Okay, alright. Good comment. Thank you very much Councilwoman Ryan. If there’s no other questions do I have a motion? Councilwoman Tjornhom: I’ll make the motion. Mayor Laufenburger: Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: I make the motion the City Council orders the preparation of plans and specifications for the 2015 Street Rehabilitation, Kerber Boulevard from Powers Boulevard th to West 78 Street, project number 15-02. Mayor Laufenburger: We have a motion. Is there a second? Councilwoman Ryan: Second. Mayor Laufenburger: Councilwoman Ryan seconded that, thank you. Any discussion? Resolution #2015-09: Councilwoman Tjornhom moved, Councilwoman Ryan seconded that the Chanhassen City Council orders the preparation of plans and specifications for the th 2015 Street Rehabilitation (Kerber Boulevard, Powers Boulevard to West 78 Street) Project No. 15-02. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. 9015 LAKE RILEY BOULEVARD: REQUEST FOR VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LIMITATION AND THE SHORELAND SETBACK LIMITATION TO CONSTRUCT A PATIO; APPLICANT/OWNER: ROSEMARY KELLY. Bob Generous: Thank you Mr. Mayor, council members. Planning Case 2014-27 is a shoreland setback and hard surface coverage variance request. This went to the Planning Commission on ndth October 2. It was tabled at that time and then it went back for another hearing on January 6 of this year. Tonight it’s going to City Council because the, as part of the Planning Commission review they could not come to a super majority decision on one way or the other so that’s why it’s here tonight. The property is located at 9015 Lake Riley Boulevard. It’s in the northwest corner of Lake Riley, just south of Lyman Boulevard. This whole street is single family homes th on some older lots that were platted a long time ago. Again this item appeared on October 7 Planning Commission agenda. It was tabled at that time to allow the applicant and staff to work out potential alternatives for this patio and also to provide us with additional information on their original request. Again this is a hard surface coverage variance request. The City Code permits up to 25 percent hard cover on properties zoned single family residential. In this case the original proposal was for a 30 percent hard coverage so it would be a 5 percent. The shoreland setback variance was increased. The original request would increase the setback from, variance from 32 feet to 36 feet so 39 foot setback from the shoreland. That’s what was there prior to the, there’s an existing variance on the property. They get a 1 percent hard cover variance so they’re permitted 26 percent hard cover and there’s a shoreland setback variance that permits a 43 foot 11 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 shoreland setback. Again this is, the original variance was approved in 2005. It permitted a 5 foot setback from the 30 foot street setback requirement on the west side of this property. There’s also the 1 percent hard cover variance to permit 26 percent hard cover and a 32 foot shoreland setback from our 75 foot shoreland setback requirement. The existing building on the site does meet that setback requirement and they do comply with the variance application for the existing conditions on the property. Again prior to that variance in 2005 the house was actually closer to the lake and it had a little bit more hard cover than is existing on the property. In 2005 they received a variance to build a new house on the property. Again it was moving closer to Lake Riley Boulevard and a little bit farther away from the lake. These are pictures of the property. There’s an existing patio under the porch that’s on the lake side and then this is looking from the north. You can see under the deck here there’s mostly green space. There is a little landing outside the door and then this is the garage door that they’re trying to provide access to this, use this area. Here’s looking up. This whole site slopes down to the lake. It gets steeper as you go farther away from the house. The applicant wants to create a more usable space out here as well as providing handicap access from the garage door to the patio area. The original application was to expand the patio to include all this hard space. This. Mayor Laufenburger: Mr. Generous can I just stop you a second. When you use the term original, you’re talking about the request that was made back, that was presented to the Planning th Commission on January 6? thth Bob Generous: No, well both on October 7 and then again on January 6 but as part of the th January 6 review they also, we had worked out an alternative. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay but what you’re showing us right now is a pictorial depiction of th what the original request made, that was made on October and then January 6. Bob Generous: Correct. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay, thank you for that clarification. Bob Generous: So this was, it would extend beyond the existing setback line so it would be 7 feet closer to the lake and it was for 551 square foot expansion to the hard cover on the property. We did look at other variance applications within the area and there were, well 3 if you count the existing one for this property but 2 other variance applications within 500 feet of this property. Both of them dealt with setback requirements from the lake. These properties are a little shorter than we would require under new subdivision regulations so they’re existing conditions. We did look at hard surface issues for existing hard surface within the neighborhood. They range from 25.8 to 29.3 percent hard cover. These are, or 16 percent hard cover to 29.3 percent hard cover and then the newest building on the corner has a slightly bigger lot and that’s only at 9 ½ percent hard cover. This property on the north had some issues because there’s a creek running through the property from the northwest and so there were additional setback requirements and preservation issues and that so that reduced the amount of hard cover. Additionally this area has significant lakeshore setback. There’s at least 3 of them that have 43 foot setbacks from the lake and that’s what the existing home is proposing as part of their alternative to preserve. Under new subdivision requirements the lots would have to be 20,000 square feet. This property is 12 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 approximately 12,900 square feet so it’s a sub-standard in that. Had this property even been at our 15,000 square foot minimum for single family lots there would be no variance request. Mayor Laufenburger: No variance for hard surface, correct? Bob Generous: Correct. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Bob Generous: So, and that goes to the fact that this is a unique circumstances on the property. As part of the original Planning Commission staff report they talk about a water oriented structure and there was some confusion as part of the original public hearing and so we want to bring it up that even though the city permits water oriented structures closer to the lake than the 75 foot setback or in this case the 43 foot setback, they would still have to meet the hard cover requirements so even if they were to put a shed down by the waterfront that would be counted against the site’s hard cover. Our issue with hard cover is it increases storm water runoff into the lake. Between the October meeting and the January meeting staff met with the applicant to come up with a possible alternative. Mayor Laufenburger: Can I stop you just for a second? Bob Generous: Yes. Mayor Laufenburger: So this original request which you just reviewed, this was, it was discussed with staff and it was ready to go to the Planning Commission, is that correct? Bob Generous: Yes it actually went to. Mayor Laufenburger: It went to the Planning Commission and then that was tabled. Bob Generous: Correct. nd Mayor Laufenburger: On October 2. Bob Generous: Yes. Mayor Laufenburger: There about’s. Okay. Now keep going. Bob Generous: So and then as part of that discussion we clarified. We got better data on the actual square footages of expansion that they were proposing from a revised plan that you did and we also were able to discuss the issues that the city staff had with any further encroachment into the lake as well as increases in hard cover on the property. And based on those discussion this area in green was removed from being proposed for patio and instead we looked at providing a 5 foot wide connection to the garage door to allow handicap access to the rest of the patio expansion that they were looking at. With this area here being that area that was under, is under the existing deck that’s on the main floor of the house. And this would extend over to, in front of 13 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 there’s some window here and then the garage door. This alternative proposes, was proposal reduces the amount of hard cover being proposed for this site by approximately 200 square feet so it’s a 354 square foot expansion of hard cover on their site. It reduces the variance request to increase it by 2 ½ percent or to 28 ½ percent total hard cover from the existing 26 percent hard cover. And additionally it would preserve the existing setback from the lake for any of the expansion area. We believe this proposal is reasonable and is supported by staff. The applicant has discussed with staff the possibility of including landscaping improvements in conjunction with the patio expansion that would help mitigate any stormwater increases that would be due to the hard cover on the property. Some of these landscaping things could be either providing shrub beds that would be, the soils would be removed and new soils put in to help water percolate into the soil. The planting of trees adjacent to the hard surface coverage because they absorb a lot of rain water as it comes down and it would not even get to the ground. Or they could provide native planting adjacent to the lakeshore or portions of the lakeshore to help slow down surface water runoff into the lake. So there are all different alternatives that the property owner could do to help mitigate the increased stormwater runoff on the property and it’s something that as part of their application for a zoning permit for this expansion that they would provide us with those plans at that time. The Planning Commission, again they voted 2 for and 3 against a motion to recommend approval of the variance so conversely that would be 3-2 to deny it. However they need a super majority to make a final decision and so their proposal basically was to deny the variance application and so that’s why we have a recommended motion for denial of the original request for the total expansion that they were proposing as well as closer setback to the lake. However we are supporting an alternative plan that would approve a 3 ½ percent hard surface coverage variance to permit 28 ½ percent hard cover on their property and denial of any additional lakeshore setback variance and adoption of the Findings of Fact for approval contained in the staff report. With that I’d be happy to answer any questions. Mayor Laufenburger: Thank you Mr. Generous. Before we hear from the applicant, are there any questions from council for Mr. Generous? Councilman Campion. Councilman Campion: Mr. Mayor, sorry. Mr. Generous I got turned around on that last part. So the recommended motion for approval is the new plan that takes away the green area. Bob Generous: That’s correct. Councilman Campion: Okay. Mayor Laufenburger: Any other questions? Councilman McDonald. Councilman McDonald: You had mentioned something, I remember a couple years ago about a house in this area and that was a tear down. Is this the same residence? We ran into hard surface issues at that time or is this a different residence? Bob Generous: This is one of them. There are several in the neighborhood that have hard surface issue. They have setback issues. They were built prior to the City adopting the shoreland protection ordinances. 14 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 Councilman McDonald: No the house I’m thinking of it was a tear down. Bob Generous: Yes. Councilman McDonald: And they had hard surface issues at that point. Is this the same house or is this a different house because I remember it was either 2 or 3 houses in from the road. Bob Generous: Well this was one of them and yes, this was a tear down that they came in. We actually had them reduce the amount of hard cover on the property by four-tenths a percent. They were asking for a 7 percent variance at the time and we were able to work with them to reduce that request. And then also we pushed it farther away from the lake by providing a front yard setback variance to help move the house up the hill. Councilman McDonald: Okay. And at this point with the patio expansion, the area in gray, are we looking to reduce the hard cover by any amount or are we satisfied at this stage that this would be acceptable with an increase of 2.7 percent over the 25 or actually they’re at 26 right? Bob Generous: Right. They’re at. Councilman McDonald: So there’s no need to look at other ways to carve out some of the square footage on the patio expansion? Bob Generous: That’s correct. We looked at this as a final solution for what the applicant wanted and something that the staff could support. Councilman McDonald: Okay, no further questions Mr. Mayor. Mayor Laufenburger: Thank you council. At this time if the applicant is present and would like to speak to the council we would welcome that. Is the applicant present? Would you just state your name and address for the record please. Rosemary Kelly: I’m Rosemary Kelly, 9015 Lake Riley Boulevard in Chanhassen. Mayor Laufenburger: Welcome. Nice to see you again. Rosemary Kelly: I want to first thank the staff for working with us on this current proposal. There was confusion I think at the very beginning when we submitted the variance because we were trying to get it done last summer and so I went to work with the staff due to availability. Was not able to work with them before putting in the variance and not understanding the intricacies of making those adjustments and not being a professional I believe working with staff later resulted in a much more appropriate plan for our property and the size and the requirements so I appreciate their input. The other component of all this is, and I just want to make clear why this is an exception for this property and why it’s important to us personally is that the home is designed to be handicap accessible and it’s that way internally and was a very important consideration for us as my mom is 90. Independent but wheelchair dependent, or walker dependent. The only place she’s not accessible is to get to the outside the home and when the 15 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 home was built none of it was to the ADA or the American with Disabilities Act requirements. There’s like a 2 ½ inch drop out of every door and they’re not, it’s not easy to get a walker through so we’ve lived there for 5 years. We were not the original builders of the home but as we’ve kind of come to make this more usable for us this was an important part of expansion, or of the accessibility. So that’s when this variance became more important to us as homeowners and I just wanted to make that point for why we put the variance in at this time. And if there are any other questions I’d be happy to answer them. Mayor Laufenburger: Any questions of the applicant? Thank you Ms. Kelly. Appreciate you appearing before us tonight. Now this is, this is a little bit newer information, more information than was discussed at the Planning Commission, is that correct Mr. Generous? Bob Generous: Well the first public hearing. Mayor Laufenburger: At the first public hearing, right. As a result of that if there’s anybody that, anybody present in the chambers that would like to speak to this, either for or against you’re certainly welcome to do so at this time so I will open up a public comment time, if anybody would like to speak to this. Alright, there being none let’s bring this back to council. Anybody have any further questions of Mr. Generous at this time? Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Mr. Generous, I want to kind of address this whole neighborhood because obviously the lots are much smaller than what we would accept now and also surface coverage percentages are way different than what we would accept now and so I’m sure a majority of the property owners are facing these dilemmas a lot. Would you say that’s correct? Bob Generous: Yes. It’s generally correct in this neighborhood under the undersized lots they’re having issues with hard cover, setback requirements, yes. Councilwoman Tjornhom: And tell me what, Lake Riley, what issues does Lake Riley have when it comes to water runoff or impurities running into the lake? Bob Generous: I believe the biggest issue they have is turbidity but it’s also part of the chain of lakes that start up at Lake Ann and go down through Lake Susan and Rice Marsh Lake and then into here and then down into the Minnesota River valley. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Okay. Bob Generous: So erosion issues, drainage issues, just a lot of volumes of water going into it. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Okay. And you gave us a kind of a spreadsheet I guess. I think it’s 4 variances but this is all there is for variance requests for this neighborhood or just for the area? Bob Generous: Jut within 500 feet. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Within 500 feet, okay. 16 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 Bob Generous: Because there’s some all the way on the other end of the lake down, as you go down Lake Riley Boulevard. Councilwoman Tjornhom: And so we don’t see obviously a lot of those variances coming to us, requests so have they already been submitted and approved and done or have they just been denied and they haven’t ever come to us or where are the rest of these variances? Bob Generous: The ones that we have records on are, have been approved. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Okay. Bob Generous: Some of the information we found are properties that were built prior to our ordinances and so they have non-conforming status. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Okay. Bob Generous: And so they can maintain what they have even if they don’t comply with ordinance. It’s just in the expansion, if they come in would have to come in through a separate variance process. Councilwoman Tjornhom: And Lake Riley I actually don’t know because I’ve never been on it so I don’t know but it is pretty typical to have these lot sizes or is it just this one area? Bob Generous: It’s a lot like Carver Beach. They’re old subdivisions. This area developed around the lakes and so those were some of the first lots that were platted in the 50’s and 30’s and 20’s so you have undersized properties and then over time people have tried to assemble them and build on them but they don’t meet the 20,000 square foot requirements that we have now for new subdivisions. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Okay, thank you. Mayor Laufenburger: Any other questions for staff from the council? Okay. Councilman McDonald, yes. Councilman McDonald: I’m sorry. I’m asking a lot of questions. Mayor Laufenburger: That’s okay. It helps all of us. Councilman McDonald: You know we changed the approach for looking at variances a couple years ago. I’m just wondering if Roger can refresh our memories because it used to be it was one standard. Now it’s a totally different standard. What discretion do we have as far as variances? Roger Knutson: I won’t give you the whole litany of why things got changed but the current standard is basically, is the proposed use a reasonable use of the property. 17 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 Councilman McDonald: Okay. Roger Knutson: Rather than undue hardship which is no longer a part of it. Councilman McDonald: Which is no longer a part of it. Roger Knutson: Yes. So is it a reasonable use of the property. Councilman McDonald: Okay. Roger Knutson: There are other requirements but that’s the biggest one. Councilman McDonald: No, that’s the major one. That was the big change. I guess are you looking for comments at this point or? Mayor Laufenburger: I had a couple other questions I want to make. Councilman McDonald: Okay, I’ll wait. Mayor Laufenburger: Procedural questions so let’s hold off on your comments for just a second. Mr. Generous I do have a question for you. Did you use the term reasonable use or reasonable plan or reasonable? Bob Generous: Yes. Mr. Mayor we did believe this was a reasonable proposal for the property to build a patio. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay, alright. Thank you. Now I have a procedural question Mr. Knutson. I want to make sure we do this right. I’m looking at one motion that came out of the Planning Commission, which was, or it was the original proposal and that’s being offered as one that we should potentially deny. That’s the additional setback and the 30 percent hard coverage. But then I’m also seeing a second motion or a second motion for approval so what action do you interpret that the council has to take at this time? Do we have to do two actions, a denial and approval or can we just make one action? Do you understand my question? Roger Knutson: Yes. You can just take one action. To approve or deny. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay, so one action is all that’s necessary. Roger Knutson: Yes. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Roger Knutson: Yes, on staff’s current proposal. You have the proposed motion by staff in front of you. That’s all you need to do. 18 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 Mayor Laufenburger: Yeah, let’s clarify. I think Councilman McDonald brought up this point that currently there is a 26 percent, or there’s a 1 percent variance over the 25 percent allowed so they are currently operating with a 26 percent and that was clarified based on some recalculations of hard cover, is that correct Mr. Generous? Bob Generous: That’s correct. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay so what, what they’re asking for is an additional 2.5 percent on top of the existing 26 percent. Bob Generous: That’s correct. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Alright. So council understands that. And the other action is that they currently, this property is currently operating with a 43 foot setback, which is a variance from the normally 75, correct? Bob Generous: That’s correct. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. And this, this motion that’s in front of us right now, or the recommended motion does not change that setback, is that correct? Bob Generous: That’s correct. They would maintain the 43 foot setback from the OHW. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Alright. And one last question I had and then I’ll turn this to council for comment. You spoke about some landscaping things that could be done and I think there were some trees or something to help decrease the turbidity or the runoff. The council is doing, would have no action over that landscaping, is that correct? Bob Generous: That’s correct. Mayor Laufenburger: That would be a discussion between the applicant and staff and they could follow or not follow those recommendations, is that correct? Bob Generous: As part of their application they would need to submit a landscaping plan. What they are proposing to do on the property and it would, staff would review it and say if that was acceptable or not. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Roger Knutson: Just to be clear, you could impose as a condition of granting the variance that they plant some trees. You could impose that as a condition because it’s related to the hard surface. Mayor Laufenburger: I see. Roger Knutson: Shed off to the hard surface if you chose to. 19 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Alright. Something for consideration. Todd Gerhardt: Or shrubs. Roger Knutson: Oh yes. I’m not telling you want to plant. Bob Generous: Or native vegetation. Mayor Laufenburger: Or flowering hostas or whatever. Roger Knutson: Rain garden. Mayor Laufenburger: We’ve had discussions about rain gardens. Alright. Thank you Mr. Generous. Any comment or motion at this time? Councilman McDonald. Councilman McDonald: I have a point of clarification. When we talk about shrubs and trees, wasn’t that part of your Findings? That some of that be done so if we adopt your Findings, haven’t we adopted that? Bob Generous: Yes because the condition of approval for this is that they provide a landscaping mitigation plan. Councilman McDonald: Okay, so all of that would really, it’s already in there. We wouldn’t need to do anything extra. Bob Generous: That’s correct. Councilman McDonald: Okay, thank you. If you want Mr. Mayor I can start off with comments. Mayor Laufenburger: Please, Councilman McDonald. Councilman McDonald: Yeah I, I’m not sure if this is the same house. I think it is and from what the applicant is saying they weren’t the original builders of this house but I do remember, and again I don’t know if it was this one or the one next door but it was only 2 or 3 houses in from the main street and it was a complete tear down and we went through a lot to go back and forth about the setback from the lake so I’m glad that you haven’t tried to encroach upon that because that was a major issue at that point and we did look at a number of homes along that street and that’s where the numbers kind of came from. That was a compromise. Under the reasonable use standard, I think it is a reasonable use to put a patio in and also to do the extensions if what you’re trying to do is to again allow access for your mother through the garage to get to a patio. That would seem reasonable to me so at this point based upon what we’ve talked about I would be in favor of voting for this and adopting the Findings as part of that to cover the landscaping. 20 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 Mayor Laufenburger: Anybody else like to make a comment or a motion? Councilwoman Tjornhom: Certainly. Mayor Laufenburger: Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Yeah I want to thank the applicant for you know doing their due diligence and I guess working with staff and the Planning Commission and now coming back to council. I think you’ve gotten to know everyone pretty well by this point and hope you can everyone over for a barbeque maybe on your patio. Mr. Knutson did I think you know once again explain to council that it really, it used to be you know if it was a hardship or not. If we could find you had some reason why there’s no way you could access your property, you know that type of thing but now it’s changed where the definition is reasonable use of your property and you know after looking at the pictures of what your, what you have now, while it’s beautiful. You just have a little slab and I cannot see why a patio would not be a reasonable use and so I will also be in favor of it and good luck with your patio and I hope it all works out. Mayor Laufenburger: Any other comment or motion? Councilwoman Ryan: I’ll make a motion. Mayor Laufenburger: Councilwoman Ryan. Councilwoman Ryan: The Chanhassen City Council approves a 3 ½ percent hard surface coverage variance to permit 28.5 percent hard cover to permit the expansion of an existing patio on the property and denies the additional shoreland setback variance subject to the conditions of the staff and adopts the Findings of Fact and Decision. Councilman McDonald: I’ll second. Mayor Laufenburger: Thank you. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Councilwoman Ryan moved, Councilman McDonald seconded that the Chanhassen City Council approves a 3.5 percent hard surface coverage variance to permit 28.5 percent hard cover to permit the expansion of an existing patio on the property and denies the additional shoreland setback variance subject to the following conditions and adopts the Findings of Fact and Decision: 1. The applicant must apply for and receive the appropriate permit required from the City. This permit will include a revised survey that displays the location of the patio addition, a completed hard surface coverage calculation worksheet and any other plan required for the permit. 2. Landscape materials must be installed to absorb additional runoff on the property. A landscape plan shall be submitted in conjunction with the permit application. 21 Chanhassen City Council – February 9, 2015 All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS. Mayor Laufenburger: Any council member wishing to make a comment or presentation. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Mr. Mayor. Mayor Laufenburger: Councilwoman Tjornhom. Councilwoman Tjornhom: I just want to say that the Saturday fishing ice contest probably was the nicest Saturday I’ve ever been there. I don’t think I even had a coat on. It was amazing. The weather was perfect. I don’t think the fish were biting very well though. I’m not sure what was going on. It looks like you’d better work on that. You’ve got the weather right Mayor but now you’ve got to get those fish to bite so I don’t know what your strategy is for next year but the fish were pretty small but it was really fun to see all the families out there. Especially all the young kids running around, fishing and having a great time so I just want to thank Rotary and staff and everybody who had a hand in making Feb Fest fabulous. Mayor Laufenburger: Yeah, it was fabulous Feb Fest and I would say Rotary and Culver’s and Boy Scout Troop 330 was there selling bait. Actually some of the bait that they sold could have been fishing entries for the contest quite frankly but, and then all of the sponsors. I just think nd about all of the people in the community, this is the, I believe this was 22 Feb Fest, is that right Mr. Hoffman? And Rotary goes out in the morning and drills over 1,000 holes for people to have an assortment of locations from which to fish. I do have a strategy for next year and I think what we should do is chum the water you know early in the morning and get the fish to come in and maybe that will help so something to be thinking about Mr. Hoffman for future but it really was a, it was a wonderful event and of course we gave away lots of prizes and I think it’s a wonderful kickoff to the cavalcade of festivals that Chanhassen has so. Councilwoman Tjornhom: And our new city manager has a nickname. Mayor Laufenburger: Yes. Councilwoman Tjornhom: Not our new city manager, our city manager. Mayor Laufenburger: Our city manager has a new nickname, that’s correct. Todd Gerhardt: No. Mayor Laufenburger: And for a certain sum he can rid himself of that nickname. Todd Gerhardt: I want to extend my appreciation to Councilmember Tjornhom for pulling my name out of the hat because I couldn’t catch a fish. The Sunshine Committee, I donated the prize to our Sunshine Committee so it will be one of our prizes for one of our upcoming events. 22