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E-1. Approval of Planning Commission Minutes dated June 2, 2015 r�j ' � CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING SUMMARY MINUTES JUNE 2, 2015 Chairman Aller called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Andrew Aller, Mark Undestad, Lisa Hokkanen, Steve Weick, Maryam Yusuf, John Tietz, and Nancy Madsen STAFF PRESENT: Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director; Bob Generous, Senior Plannei•; Drew Ingvalson, Planner; and Alyson Fauske, Assistant City Engineer PUBLIC PRESENT: Ross Elenkiwich 4100 W. SOr" Street, Edina Helene Schock 2309 Boulder Road PUBLIC HEARING: 8610 GALPIN BOULEVARD INTERIM USE PERMIT: REQUEST FOR AN INTERIM USE PERMIT FOR GRADING IN EXCESS OF 1,000 SQUARE FEET ON � APPROXIMATELY 50 ACRES OF PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL (A2) AND I LOCATED AT 8610 GALPIN BOULEVARD (HOLASEK GREENHOUSE PROPERTY). � APPLICANT: CHADWICK GROUP, INC. OWNER: HOLASEK FARMS, LP, PLANNING CASE 2015-12. Alyson Fauske presented the staff report on this item. Chairman Aller clarified that the soil being removed from the site is mostly peat and asked about wetland delineation. Commissioner Tietz asked about the status of the soil being stockpiled on site. Commissioner Undestad asked if condition 3(b) would address the Water Resources Coordinator's concerns. John Chadwick, 4477 Manitou Road, Excelsior, representing the applicant discussed the need to change with the times and prepare the property for development. Chairman Aller opened the public hearing. No one spoke and the public hearing was closed. Unclestad moved, Yusuf seconded that the Chanhassen Planning Commission recommends the City Council approve the Interim Use Permit to permit site grading up to 52,478 cubic yards of excavation and 91,000 cubic yards of stockpile as shown on the plans prepared by Ronald C. Hedlund dated Apri127, 2015, reviseci May 1, 2015, subject to the following conditions and adoption of the attached Findings of Fact and Recommendation: 1. Prior to grading within the pipeline easement the applicant must provide the pipeline company a copy of the grading plan and obtain any necessary permits. 2. Before grading operations commence the applicant must provide the Engineering Department with the proposed haul route. Any changes to the haul route must be communicated as needed throughout the grading operation. Planning Commission Summary—June 2, 2015 3. Before grading operations commence the applicant must provide adequate evidence that the areas with the potential to meet the criteria foi•classification as jurisdictional wetland are either; a. not wetland due to failure to present with adequate hydrology, or b. are delineated according to the methodologies set forth in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Wetland Delineation Manual and a report must be submitted to the city for review and approval in accoi•dance with the Minnesota Wetland Conservation Act. 4. No excavation may occur within delineated wetlands that would not be considered no-loss of wetland under MN Rules sections 8420.410, 8420.0415 and 8420.0420 or without meeting proper sequencing and mitigation in accordance with the Minnesota Wetland Conservation Act. 5. A security in the amount of$1,000.00 shall be provided for erosion control, vegetation and site stabilization. 6. The interim use permit shall terminate on November 1, 2016. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. PUBLIC HEARING: I 800 WEST 78TH STREET VARIANCE: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW SIGNAGE WITH A LOGO TO EXCEED 30 PERCENT OF THE SIGN DISPLAY AREA ON PROPERTY ZONED CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (CBD) AND LOCATED AT 800 WEST 78TH STREET (BYERLY'Sl. APPLICANT: LUND FOOD HOLDINGS, INC. OWNER: IRET PROPERTIES, A ND LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, PLANNING CASE 2015-13. Drew Ingvalson presented the staff report on this item. Chairman Aller� asked about lighting, how this request compat•es to previous signage, and consistency with other businesses. The applicant Ross Elenkiwich with Lund Food Holdings discussed the need to change the signage fi•om Byerly's to Lunds and Byerlys. Chairman Aller opened the public hearing. No one spoke and the public hearing was closed. Hokkanen moved, Madsen seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval of the variance request to allow signage logos to exceed 30 percent of the sign display area by up to 12.1 percent as shown in plans prepared by Scenic Sign Corporation and adopts the attached Finclings of Fact and Decision. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Commissioner Yusuf noted the verbatim and summary Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated May 19, 2015 as presented. ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS. Kate Aanenson discussed upcoming items for the Planning Commission and City Council and action taken by the City Council at their May 26t�' meeting. 2 Planning Commission Summary—June 2, 2015 Undestad movecl, Yusuf seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. The Planning Commission meeting was adjourned at 7:35 p.m. '� Submitted by Kate Aanenson , Community Development Director � Prepared by Nann Opheim 3 CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING JUNE 2,2015 Chairman Aller calleci the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. I MEMBERS PRESENT: Andi•ew Aller, Mark Undestad, Lisa Hokkanen, Steve Weick, � Maiyam Yusuf, John Tietz, and Nancy Madsen I STAFF PRESENT: Kate Aanenson, Community Development Director; Bob Generous, Senior � Planner; Drew Ingvalson, Planner; and Alyson Fauske, Assistant City Engineer ��, PUBLIC PRESENT: I Ross Elenkiwich 4100 W. SOt" Street, Edina Helene Schock 2309 Boulder Road PUBLIC HEARING: 8610 GALPIN BOULEVARD INTERIM USE PERMIT: REQUEST FOR AN INTERIM USE PERMIT FOR GRADING IN EXCESS OF 1,000 SQUARE FEET ON APPROXIMATELY 50 ACRES OF PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL (A2) AND LOCATED AT 8610 GALPIN BOULEVARD (HOLASEK GREENHOUSE PROPERTY). APPLICANT: CHADWICK GROUP, INC. OWNER: HOLASEK FARMS, LP, PLANNING CASE 2015-12. Fauske: Thank you Chairman Aller and members of the Planning Commission. The first item on your agenda is an interim use permit application for grading purposes. The applicant is Chadwick Group Incoiporated and Holasek Farms. The site is located south of Lyman Boulevard and just south of the intersection at Galpin to the north of the railroad that goes through town here. The site has historically been used since 1957 as a greenhouse operation. That business has ceased to operate as of this year and currently the applicant, pardon me. The property owner has the demolition permit to demolish the buildings on the property and looking at the ultimate development of the site they've looked at doing some soil corrections at this time in order to remove some material that isn't suitable for building foundations in order to prep the site for any potential future redevelopment. There's no plans at this time for redevelopment but they just wanted to take this opportunity during this construction season to go ahead and request permission to remove material and bring in some material that would be suitable for building. Again they're requesting an interim use permit to remove the organic soils from the propei•ty and then also to stockpile some additional soil on the property for firture development of the site. According to the development application the amount of cut material proposed is just over 52,000. 52,478 cubic yards and based on the grading plan submitted staff estimates that it's about 91,000 cubic yards of stockpile on the site at two locations. The grading plan submitted with the application shows the proposed cut areas, which is right here. Just for frame of reference right here is the intersection at Galpin and Lyman. That's also the entrance to the site so the first cut areas in this location and the second cut area to the south. Also for frame of reference if you've seen the site there's an underground gas line that bisects the property at this Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 location. The two stockpile sites shown on the plan. There's one here in the northwest corner and then another one here in the central area. When we met with the applicant prior to submittal we had indicated that there's some, that there have been based on histoz•ical photos that there would be, there could be some wetland conditions on the site so included in the packet this evening was mention of some soil borings that were taken on the site which verifies the amount of peat that's located on the site where they're proposing to excavate. And since then, since the staff report was published staff has been wot�king with the development team, the project proposer with regards to tiying to determine if there are any wetland conditions out here so this slide here,the area shown in red is material that is a soils survey that shows soils that can be indicators of a wetland. So in response and after our conversation with the applicant, the applicant went ahead and installed 6 piezometers on the site and at a location that we discussed �, in the meeting and the purpose of the piezometers is to monitor the ground water elevation and ' what that information tells us is if there's, in Minnesota if there's ground water present within �' the 12 inches below the surface, that indicates hydrology for a wetland if it's I believe 5 percent I of the growing season which is about 8 or 9 days. So we'i�e taking data readings from the �� piezometers. Some supplemental information was handed out to you prior to the meeting. We '� apologize for the late distribution of this information but we've been trying to get as much infor�mation as possible for the Planning Commission just to let you folks know that there's still some information that we're gathering to tiy to determine if there are wetlands out there. In the staff report staff does include a condition that if there, that any wetlands would have to be delineated and any impact to those wetlands would have to go through the Wetland Conservation Act. The interim use permit does not supersede the Wetland Conservation Act. So as we continue to get this information, share it with the project pi•oposer, at this point there's some indications of some elevated ground water at approximately this location. Again as a frame of reference the undei•gronnd gas line bisects at this location so in this location then also a potential for where there's been some observance of surface water at this location. Just to the west of one of the piezometers so the applicant has been very responsive to staff as far as going and addressing our concerns and providing us the information requested so we've been very happy with his response. So based on the information that we have at this time the motion that is, that staff is recommending that the Chanhassen Planning Commission recommends that the City Council approve the interim use permit to allow the site grading subject to the conditions of approval and adopt the Findings of Fact and Recommendation. At this time I would be happy to answer any questions that the commission might have at this time. Aller: Just for the record we've received a memorandum dated June 2, 2015 from Terry Jeffery, the Water Resources Coordinator which was just discussed. It's part of our record and will be part of the package that's on the City's website for those of you who are present or at home who would like to take a look at that again following this matter to June 22, 2015 for it's final conclusion. The soil that's being removed is mostly peat? Fauske: Correct. Aller: And my understanding from the report is that it's going to be removed and taken off site. Fauske: Correct. 2 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 Aller: Is that still the plan? � Fauske: Correct. Aller: And then will any of the activities I guess that, are any activities in the grading covered by our conditions such that we won't be modifying this from a potential wetland to a non-wetland without knowing it? Is there, with the piezometers in place and with our conditions, are we assured that this is not going to be something where we're turning a potential wetland into a non- wetland. Fauske: Correct. On page 4 of the staff report under the recommendations section, number 3 states before grading operations commence the applicant must provide adequate evidence that the areas within, with the potential to meet the criteria for classification as jurisdictional wetland are either (a) not wetland or(b) delineated. So that condition, staff put that condition in there knowing that we're still gathering some evidence to undeistand if there's wetland. Any approvals, any recommendations for approval to the council at this time would not supersede the Wetland Conservation Act and allow the applicant to go and make any impact to a wetland. Aller: And then just for our understanding and those individuals that are interested in this project, no grading take place unless those conditions are met. Fauske: That is correct. Aller: Any additional questions or comments? Tietz: Yeah Alyson, I just want a clarification on Andrew's question because it appears that the stockpiled material is going to be the peat material that's extracted and then it's going to be stockpiled until it can be sold as garden material according to the notes that are attached to the document. Fauske: The applicant is here as well to answer some of those questions. , Tietz: Okay. � Fauske: During the review I did pose the question if the stockpile was for the cut material or if it , was import and perhaps he could answer that question. ' Tietz: Okay, and the import material, the 91,000, estimated 91,000 cubic yards, where is that �', going to come from and how would that be brought to the site and. '�,, Fauske: Certainly. �i Tietz: It looked like the slopes that are proposed would not create excessive drainage fi•om the � slopes of the stockpile which I'm sure, and if it's stockpiled for any length of time does that have to be over seeded? 3 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 Fauske: Excellent questions Commissioner Tietz. The location where they'll be bringing the material in, P11 leave that for the applicant to answer that question. I'm not certain if they've identified that source. One of the things we have requested and did receive from the applicant is the proposed haul route and he indicated Highway 41 to Lyman which we just get that infoi•mation one, to make sure that the roads are adequately designed to carry that type of traffic. And numbei•two is quite often if thez•e's a haul route we'll, a resident in the area might say hey there's all these trucks going. What's going on and then we have an answer to their question when they've called in. Tietz: Su1•e. Fauske: Regarding the slopes on the stockpile, the grading plan shows them to be a 3 to 1 slope which is from what we've witnessed is what you would call a maintainable slope where it can establish vegetation. They certainly would be required to stabilize the stockpile after a period of time when it hasn't been worked on so that's all part of their erosion control plan that they'll be � working on with staff. Tietz: Okay, thank you. ��i Fauske: You're welcome. Undestad: I've got one quick one too. Just on your recommendation 3. Would 3(b)then, would that technically take care of Terry Jeffery's concerns in his letter here? The last paragraph he had his observations on there. Fauske: That's correct. Recommendation 3(b) is stating if the wetland is delineated according to the methodologies that are approved practices, that they would have to be submitted for review and then when it says an approval in accordance with the Minnesota Wetland Conservation Act, that would be that if there's, for instance there are certain types of wetlands that can be excavated a certain amount so that condition would then cover that. I believe in this instance it was a maximum of, and I don't want to speak out of turn. I think it was 3 feet or something to that extent. So whatever would be allowed, whatever work would be allowed under the Wetland Conseivation Act, recommendation 3(b) is intended to cover that as far as under the interim use permit. That they could do any excavation that would be allowed under the Wetland Conservation Act. Aanenson: Chairman Aller if I may,just to be clear for everybody on the Planning Commission and anybody else tracking this, so on the last page of Terry's recommendation is that a qualified wetland delineation be made so,just so there's no ambiguity there so then they'll decide based on the delineation some of those factors. Undestad: Okay. Aller: Any additional questions? Okay. We'll hear from the applicant at this time. Anyone from the Chadwick Group like to come forward? If you could state your name and address for the record and your representational capacity that'd be great. 4 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 John Chadwick: Okay, thank you all. Glad to be here. My name is John Chadwick from Chadwick Group. I reside at 4477 Manitou Road, Excelsior, Minnesota, 55331. Good to be in front of you again on another matter here. It's always good to keep things moving forward and fun in the city of Chanhassen. I've had good working relations with your staff here and provided , a lot of guidance on this. A little bit of background. Our family was in the vegetable business for yeal•s and years. My dad and Earl Sr. were kind of vegetable farmers together way back in j, the way back days and so it's fun to keep working with that family and things as they move along after, from 'S7 the year I was born til now my heavens. Times change. Needs change. Greenhouse industiy's changed greatly here in Minnesota. It's kind of cold up here and they can bring stiiff up in a tr•uck pretty fast and that's that. Plus people get older just like all of us they kept having birthdays too so now we're in a new phase and that is, here we've got this wonderful site right here in Chanhassen. Perfect access to great roads. I've never had a chance to gi•ading where I've got a signalized interchange. Yes, thank you very much. I did live long enough. Pm good. I'm done after this and black dirt or peat doesn't support buildings. Black dirt or peat rathei•is kind of a, not a menace but it's a pain in the behind or if you're trying to build a building. So you've got to get that stuff out of there. The more you can get out of there the better your yield is going to be. A new kind of yield. Square food building. Number of square feet of buildable surface that yoli can have. That's a different kind of a crop. So it takes a little while to get that done and you can do it either this way which is let's go at it when we've got a little bit of time oi•you can have the emergency which is let's go at it really fast and it costs a lot of money to get rid of it and it costs a lot of money to bring stuff in. And I'll try to answer as many questions as we go along but where will the import come from? I don't know exactly but I've got to be veiy careful that what you bring in you don't have to haul off again. That it would be good compactible fill and compatible with the site that's there and that stuff shows up and sometimes it moves a long way down the road and sometimes you can be 3-4-5 miles from it and boy that's a handy thing. It's good for the environment if we don't have to haul it all over creation and back again. Personally black dirt or peat is a terrible thing to waste. You know it took God and nature 10,000 years to put it there. We shouldn't just put it in a berm and look at it. We should make it available for gardens and that kind of thing. Enough talking. We've had a lot of input on this plan. I think we have a good plan. I've been working with staff and they've been very helpful in what's going on out there and helping us understand the site. It's been farmed for years and years and years. We've got all kinds of studies done on it. We're just trying to get ready to go. Don't have any hey, this is what we want to go build right now. Some people looking at it. Again it's a great site. There's not a lot of sites left in Chanhassen so Pm happy to represent that site and help them get it started. Aller: Great. John Chadwick: Any questions? Aller: Well first Mr. Chadwick I'd like to commend you for beginning early. Working with the staf£ It sounds like you've got a great relationship going. It sounds like you're on the soils early which is going to be good for environment as well as for your building. Just to get to some of the questions and make sure that they're answered so everyone's on the same page. The peat is going to be moved off site? 5 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 John Chadwick: Correct. � Aller: And so that will not be stockpiled? �', I John Chadwick: I don't see it as being stockpiled very long. There might be gee we've got some equipment there. We'll move that off and get peat in a stack and then move that off site and then bring some different equipment in but it wouldn't be for�very long. The intent of the stockpile is there for good compactible soil. Future soil. Aller: And you'r•e using as an ingress and egress the existing roadway? John Chadwick: Yes sir. Yes. Allei•: And it's in the plans, in the report. John Chadwick: Yeah. Aller: The water erosion plan, you've been working with the City on that? And so you're comfortable with all the conditions that have been put in the report this far? John Chadwick: Yes, yes and as a practical matter when you dig a hole you kind of know whei•e your water's going to end up. I know we all know that and we had some guys worried about ponding in a gravel pit one time and we said well, you've never been able to make it pond in a gravel pit. It's sand. It goes down and then we kind of worked through all that stuff so yes sir. Aller: Okay great. And have you had an opportunity to take a look at Mr. Jeffery's report? John Chadwick: Yes. Aller: And you undeistand that we'll be asking for a designation and delineation of the wetland. John Chadwick: If, I think there's a word if in that and if it is, absolutely. Is that on the page 3? Aller: Well there's a condition in the report and then there's his report which is also requesting that if the water continues to be at the levels in the piezometeis that they are, that we'd be requesting that. So I don't want you to come back and I don't want any surprises. John Chadwick: Correct, correct. And I'm looking at about 3 or 4 last paragraphs, if the area is found to have hydrology a delineation of wetland areas will be required. Of course so that's not a surprise. Aller: Wonderful, thank you. I have no further questions. Anyone else? Thank you very much sir. John Chadwick: Thank you. Appreciate it. 6 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 Aller•: At this point in time we'll open up the public hearing portion of this item. Any individual wishing to speak either for or against the item before us can do so at this time. Seeing no one come forward, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. Comments. I think the report's pretty straight forward. It's great that it's again an early project. We're in here pi•eparing something for the future and there won't be hopefiilly any surprises as we move along so I can't foresee any problems and I'm glad that Teriy Jeffery's on it and doing his reports now so we'll know where things stand. I'll entertain a motion at this time. Undestad: I'll make a motion that the Chanhassen Planning Commission recommends the City Council approve the Interim Use Permit to allow site grading subject to conditions of approval and adopts the Findings of Fact and Recommendation. Aller: I have a motion. Do I have a second? Yusuf: Second. ', Aller: Having a motion from Commissioner Undestad, a second fi•om Commissioner Yusuf. Any further discussion? � Undestad moved, Yusuf seconded that the Chanhassen Planning Commission recommends the City Council approve the Interim Use Permit to permit site grading up to 52,478 cubic yarcis of excavation and 91,000 cubic yards of stockpile as shown on the plans prepared by Ronald C. Hedlund clated Apri127,2015, revised May 1, 2015, subject to the following conditions and adoption of the attached Findings of Fact and Recommenclation: 1. Prior to grading within the pipeline easement the applicant must provide the pipeline company a copy of the gi•ading plan and obtain any necessary permits. 2. Before grading operations commence the applicant must pi•ovide the Engineering Department with the proposed haul route. Any changes to the haul route must be communicated as needed throughout the grading operation. 3. Before grading operations commence the applicant must provide adequate evidence that the areas with the potential to meet the criteria for classification as jurisdictional wetland are either; a. not wetland due to failure to present with adequate hydrology, or b. are delineated according to the methodologies set forth in the U.S. Army Coips of Engineei•s Wetland Delineation Manual and a report must be submitted to the city for review and approval in accordance with the Minnesota Wetland Conservation Act. 4. No excavation may occur within delineated wetlands that would not be considered no-loss of wetland under MN Rules sections 8420.410, 8420.0415 and 8420.0420 or without meeting proper sequencing and mitigation in accordance with the Minnesota Wetland Conseivation Act. 7 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 5. A security in the amount of$1,000.00 shall be provided for erosion control, vegetation and site stabilization. 6. The interim use permit shall terminate on November 1, 2016. ' All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. PUBLIC HEARING: 800 WEST 78TII STREET VARIANCE: REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW SIGNAGE WITH A LOGO TO EXCEED 30 PERCENT OF THE SIGN DISPLAY AREA ON PROPERTY ZONED CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (CBD) AND LOCATED AT 800 WEST 78TH STREET (BYERLY'Sl. APPLICANT: LUND FOOD HOLDINGS, INC. OWNER: IRET PROPERTIES, A ND LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, PLANNING CASE 2015-13. Ingvalson: Good evening Chairman Aller and rest of the Planning Commission. For those of you that don't know me my name is Drew Ingvalson. I don't have a name up there yet so just want to let everyone know my name is Drew so feel fi�ee to ask me any questions as we go along. So the fiist thing we're looking at, so what we're looking at here is a sign logo percentage variance request. This is the applicant is Lund Food Holdings and then the owner is IRET Properties. So the location is 800 West 78t" Street. The property is north of West 78th Street and then west of Kerber Boulevard. Looking at that, the signage is located just to the south here, on the south side of the building and then also on the east side. The east elevation. Then there also is a monument sign that's located right here at the entrance and this is the Byerly's store fot� those of you that don't know. So the request the applicant is making is they're requesting a variance to allow the replacement of the existing signage that will have logos that exceed 30 percent of the sign display by up to 12.1 percent. City code allows logos to be up to 30 percent of the sign. The largest one that they are proposing is 42.1 percent. This request is being made to keep consistency between the signage that they have at other sites and also with the signage that they have here in Chanhassen. So a little bit of background. There was a variance actually given for this site in 1994. The variance was given to allow up to 431 square feet on the south elevation which you see in that picture and then up to 376 square feet on the east elevation. At the time the maximum signage allowed was 80 square feet. In 2002 and 2003 they went through a remodel which has the signs that you see there in the picture, that's cui7•ent. And that signage actually reduced the signage on the south elevation to 270.6 square feet and on the east elevation to 57.7 square feet. This is much lower than the maximum allowed at that time so the variance wasn't needed at that time. The signage actually was up to 275 square feet for a side of the building. So here's what the signage is going to look like. The new signage is on the right and the cun•ent signage is on the left so the first thing is ther•e is going to be changes to the logo. It's going to be changed from that B that you see on the left side to L&B for Lunds and Byerly's. They are also going to be reducing the letter height so that height is reduced approximately 6 inches on most of the signage and also signage is changed from Byerly's to Lunds and Byerly's. And another thing off the signage is, keeping consistency with the letter depth. The depth of the letters is going to be 4.5 inches so that's a dimension that it has off of the wall and then also the logos have that same letter depth. The City requires a half an inch for that letter depth so it's much deeper. Has a lot more of an accent than what the City requires. Also the logo has that same letter depth. The City does not require it to have logos have letter depth. They can be on a 8 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 panel so that's something that we noticed right away is that the logo has that same letter depth which gives them nice accent to the signage. So the methods for finding the signage for these, if you look on the screen in blue is the logo area. It was determined by the circular area of the logo and then the sign area is what we used was in green. So taking that outside perimeter. Making right angles along the signage to find the total area. Previous signage was approved for it actually used what you see in red which is just a lai�ge rectangle. Excuse me, large rectangle for the signage. If that was used for this signage it would exceed the amount allowed for signage for the site but we have, as staff we've kept consistent with keeping if there's signage above lettering that we just include that small area instead of taking that whole entire i�ectangle. Here is the eYisting and proposed south elevation signage. Starting from the left there's going to be change from Byerly's to Lunds and Byerly's with the new logo. The logo percentage change is 34 percent to 35.6 percent so a small percentage change in making it larger. The pharmacy will not have a logo. The only thing that's changing is the style of the lettering. The wine and spu•its will also have a change with, instead of having Byerly's it will just have the L&B logo with wine and spirits. The percentage change is from zero percent with no logo to 42.1 percent. The largest logo percentage that it's taking up. And then the Minnesota Grille will just be removing the Byerly's section so it will just say Minnesota Grille on that. On the east elevation there's going to be sort of similar to that front main signage, it's just going to have a, it's a change from the logo fi•om the B to the L&B and then Byerly's to Lunds and Byerly's and next one. The existing proposed monument sign has the same logo change as the other ones. The othet•main ones in Byerly's logos and it will have a 34.7 to 35.4 percentage change in the logo size so very small. So at this time staff is looking at it, if you'z•e looking at city code like I said previously the logos are limited to 30 percent of the signage. A large reason for this ordinance is to limit the amount of panel signs that doesn't have that dimensions on it so something we noticed right away was that signage actually has that dimensional which makes it very much more aesthetically pleasing. Also the total signage is being reduced for on the site even more, bring it furthei•down to the little further below the 275 square footage requirement. So with that staff is recommending that the Planning Commission recommends approval of the variance request to allow signage logos to exceed 30 percent of the sign display area by up to 12.1 percent as shown on the plans prepared by Scenic Sign Corp and adopts the attached Findings of Fact and Decision. That is the end of the presentation. I feel free to answer any questions that you might have at this time. Aller: Great. The signs are not back lit? Ingvalson: No. Aller: There's no lighting involved? Ingvalson: No. Aller: The area that the lettering and the logos are taking up are substantially similar to what was there before? Ingvalson: Absolutely. 9 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 Aller: And in fact in some cases a little bit reduced. Ingvalson: Yes. Aller: Some cases with a little bit expanded on the logos. Ingvalson: Correct. Aller•: When you go back to methods. ' Ingvalson: Sure. Aller: Are we being consistent in out�application of the i•ed outline, the green outline and logo ai•ea with all our businesses now in town? Ingvalson: Absolutely. Aller: That's consistent. Ingvalson: Absolutely. If there is something small above it we don't take the entire signage area because that will take up a lot of area, especially if you have something very small. A small logo similar to this one and with a smaller sizeable wall, it's a smaller percentage they can have so that can make it a lai•ger issue so what we've been consistent with doing it this way. With what you see in the green outline on the screen. Aller: Alr�ight, okay. Any additional questions? Alright. Does the applicant wish to come forward to speak? Ross Elenkiwich: I can if you would like to hear... Allet•: You don't need to. You can come up and inti•oduce yoursel£ We always love to. Ross Elenkiwich: My name's Ross Elenkiwich. I'm a project managei•at Lund Food Holdings. As you guys know we are undergoing a new branding operation right now at the 26 of our stores ai•ound the metro area. We're changing them all to Lunds and Byerly's and if you look at the logo back there, the L&B is an integral part of that and so just trying to stay consistent in changing out the signs that are existing. Something to note is all of the signs are decreasing in size on this store with the exception of adding the logo above the wines and spirits and removing the Byerly's so that's the one difference. Also the signs that will be lit there from the back side will be LED so they'll be a lower energy. Yeah just the ones on the building will be lit so they'll consume less energy and it should be a really nice, new, sleek look for the store. Aller: Awesome. Well I know you have 25 different stores in the area. Ross Elenkiwich: 26. 10 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 Aller: 26 so. Ross Elenkiwich: Yeah, if you count LBK in Wayzata. Lunds and Byei•ly's. Aller: So people have a choice of which Lunds and Byerly's to go to. Ross Elenkiwich: Exactly. Aller: And they should come to this one because it's Chanhassen right? Ross Elenkiwich: I agree, absolutely. Aller: Wonderfi�l, thank you. Ross Elenkiwich: Thank you. Aller: At this time we'll open up the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak either for or against the item before us can do so at this time. Seeing no one come forward we'll close the public hearing. Open it for comment and discussion. Tietz: I think it's very appropriate. Aller: Pretty straight forward. Nice design. Good partner for the community. Yusuf: ...remove the apostrophe? Ross Elenkiwich: It was. Lunds removed... , Aller: People want to hear you at home. Ross Elenkiwich: So a while back Lunds removed the apostrophe in our Lunds stores and then recently we decided to also remove the apostrophe in Byerlys which makes it a lot easier to actl�ally light too because we don't have to get the little LED in the apostrophe and have it separate because there is no track on the back of these. All of these letters are singly mounted to the brick behind instead of having the raceway in front of them. Aller: Easier to keep clean too. Ross Elenkiwich: Yep, exactly. Yusuf: Thank you. Aller: Comments, questions. If not I'll entertain a motion. Hokkanen: The Planning Commission recommends approval of the variance request to allow signage logos to exceed 30 percent of the sign display area by up to 12.1 percent as shown in 11 Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 plans prepared by Scenic Sign Corporation and adopts the attached Findings of Fact and Decision. Aller: Having a motion, do I have a second? Madsen: Second. Aller: I have a motion by Commissioner Hokkanen and a second by Commissioner Madsen. Any fui-ther discussion? Hokkanen moved, Madsen seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval of the variance request to allow signage logos to exceed 30 percent of the sign display area by up to 12.1 percent as shown in plans prepared by Scenic Sign Corporation and adopts the attached Finclings of Fact and Decision. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. Aller: Anyone wishing to follow this item should do so again at the City Council June 22, 2015. _ APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Commissioner Yusuf noted the verbatim and summary Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated May 19, 2015 as presented. ADMINISTRATIVE PRESENTATIONS. Aanenson: Before I do that those of our new Planning Commissioners may not know Drew but Drew's been with us for 2 years as the intei•n so we're practicing not calling him the intern because as of Monday he's fiill time. He graduated from the Humphrey Institute so. Aller: Good job. Aanenson: Yeah he's done a great job for us so obviously we wanted to keep him so yeah, we're excited. This is his first week so baptism by fire. Make him do a presentation. So with that I did put in youi•packet a coliple items that are coming up �or the City Council. One of those has � been removed. We found an issue with that. I'll go back to what happened at the City Council in a second but that was the, there was a variance on Minnewashta. Can I get your packet? I don't know where mine went. And that one is missing, we found some eri•ors there regarding sewer, water easements that were in the way of preventing them from being able to move i forward so, I can't find my items for upcoming. Here we go. So that was, so you only have one , item on and unless something becomes of that, that was a little bit more complex. That's I relocating a variance for the wetland setback but then also making sure wherever we give that I, variance that it doesn't, it meets the suitability for a septic site so we've got two things going on there. Make sure we can address that. We are anticipating on Friday getting two subdivisions in. One of more consequence. Maybe 24 lots and the other one 4 lots so we're anticipating both of those coming in and that would be for your July 7t�'. Two of those are on here but those 2 are on here but we may see a couple other things. Actually the variance that was pulled will move to that date so you'll come to the, after the holidays with some work to do. So last Tuesday night the City Council took action on the Children's Learning Center. They tabled it. Want to go back 12 f - - Chanhassen Planning Commission—June 2, 2015 and fine tune the PUD. Make sm�e we had, was more prescriptive in attaching all of the plan sheets and going through that in more detail. As a part of that we had recommended, the staff had recommended that because no light was shown on the 50 foot towei�, the council was leaning towards a 50 foot tower as approval, that that not be included because there was no amount of array shown on that. Not only that it was not disclosed at the Planning Commission so therefore we didn't have input fi•om the neighborhood behind or across the street so the City Council did appr•ove it without that light. Obviously they can come back and apply for an amendment to that PUD but that's not in place. The other thing that they asked the staff to look at was z•egulating the LED in there so we have a nit regulation which is intensity of brightness so that will be turned down from 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. so that was their conditions so we anticipate that going forward here this fall. And then the other one was Redstone Ridge was given prelimina�y and final plat and that's the one up on Teton. There was 2 existing homes and they're 2 more homes yeah, so that will be worked on. So that's all I had. Aller: Great, thank you. Okay, anything from any of the commissioneis at this time? Presentations. Announcements. Hearing none I'11 entertain a motion to adj ourn. Undestad moved, Yusuf seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0. The Planning Commission meeting was adjourned at 7:35 p.m. Submitted by Kate Aanenson Community Development Director Prepared by Nann Opheim 13