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PRC 2015 06 23 CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING JUNE 23, 2015 Chairman Kelly called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Cole Kelly, Steve Scharfenberg, Brent Carron, Jim Boettcher, Rick Echternacht, Luke Thunberg, Jennifer Hougham and Lauren Dale STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Superintendent; Katie Favro, Recreation Supervisor; Landen Rimestad, Intern; Adam Beers, Park Superintendent; Jodi Sarles, Rec Center Manager; and Sue Bill, Senior Center Coordinator APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Kelly: Did anybody have anything to add to the agenda tonight? Carron: I’d like to add an item 3 underneath New Business for discussion. Highover and Gunflint Trail connection path issues. Kelly: Number 3, Highover path issues. Carron: Highover and Gunflint Trail. Kelly: Highover and Gunflint Trail, thank you. Anything else to be added tonight? Hoffman: Chair Kelly perhaps just for a point of order we may want to reverse items 1 and 2 to get an order of sequence for our CIP discussion. Kelly: Yep I agree with that. Let’s reverse items 1 and 2. Thank you Todd. Ruegemer: Chair Kelly I’d also like to add Landen Rimestad, our intern would like to update the commission on our survey results from last Thursday’s KleinBank Summer Concert Series. Kelly: So should we put that under reports number 5? Ruegemer: We sure can. Kelly: Any other additions or subtractions? Okay. Jerry why don’t you introduce our new intern to the group right now. Just to who he is and. Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Ruegemer: Thank you again Chair Kelly. Landon, why don’t you step up to the podium. Landon is our park and rec intern for the summer and probably what I’ll do, probably the best is just to kind of turn it over to Landon. Kind of give them a brief description. Where you’re going to school. Where you’re from. Who the best boss is. And that sort of thing so the floor is yours Landon. Landen Rimestad: Alright. My name is Landen Rimestad. I go to the University of Wisconsin Lacrosse in the degree of recreation management. This is a part of my degree is to do an internship in a recreational organization. I was fortunate enough to get the intern position here at Chanhassen. Let’s see I’m working a lot with Lake Ann. The concessions. The reservations right now and then also my major project is to work with the survey and developing results from that. Analyzing those results and then in the future presenting those at a, in August to you hopefully and creating some new ideas and hopes for the concert series. Nice boss don’t know yet. Best football team Packers. Kelly: Thank you Landon for telling us about yourself and welcome to Chanhassen. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS: Hoffman: Public announcements, Thursday’s concert is Bazillions at 7:00 p.m. It’s a children’s event so please make that. And then also town ball classic. Gather your friends, family. Buy your tickets at City Hall and that’s noon at Target Field so looks to be a great day. If not you, share it and friend it on Facebook. It’s on the City’s Facebook. We need to sell some tickets and we’re all going down to Target Field. Kelly: That sounds like a lot of fun. Hoffman: I know you’ll be out of town. Kelly: Yeah, unfortunately yep. Or fortunately. It’s going to be a fun event. Hoffman: Thank you. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS. None. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:Carron moved, Echternacht seconded to approve the verbatim and summary Minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated May 27, 2015 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 8 to 0. BANDIMERE COMMUNITY PARK FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS-PRESENTATION OF SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION: 2 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 A.SPORT COURT DESIGN OPTIONS. B.HOCKEY RINK/SIX SEASONAL PICKLEBALL COURTS SURFACE OPTIONS; BITUMINOUS VS. CONCRETE. C.PICNIC SHELTER COST ESTIMATE WITHOUT RESTROOMS, CONCESSIONS AND STORAGE. Kelly: Todd, are you making that presentation? Hoffman: I’d be glad to. Kelly: Okay. Hoffman: Thank you Chair Kelly, members of the commission. In May we talked about the remodel project or the expansion, the next phase of Bandimere. Primarily that includes the new space where the homes were located but then also there’s been kind of a focus on some space between the baseball/softball fields and the playgrounds where a picnic shelter could be placed or some other. There was a splash pad that was proposed there at one time as well so as the commission moved forward they wanted to take a look at a variety of alternatives and some cost implications with that so the drawings you have attached, the sport court area is split into really 3 options at this time and I guess quite frankly the options are endless as far as how you would want to put a sport court in the future on that spot. The options you have now are a double tennis court and then 2 basketball hoops and then also a tennis bang board. I saw a gentleman today, he was all alone up at City Center but he was playing against the bang board. Then he also had the coolest thing I ever saw, an automatic server with about 200 tennis balls in there so you could practice serves all day long so that was pretty interesting. Also a single tennis court with 2 pickleball courts and 2 basketball hoops and a tennis back board. That back board is just a piece of wood up along one side where an individual can play. Then an option for a 6 place pickleball court. So those are the options on the courts. The price does not change greatly. There’s a little bit of an addition for some additional fencing that’s shown. I think it’s $12,000 or $14,000 to add that additional fencing so not a lot of cost differences on the sport court but a lot of options based on what you would like to see happen there as far as a sport court location. The parking lot expansion, hockey rink plan with 6 overlaid pickleball courts and so there’s again not any great changes to that schematic but there is an alternate for the surface. If you deduct $70,000 you can, you put in a bituminous pad instead of concrete and so that’s an option. Depending on which way you go, if you want to put pickleball in the hockey rink, that would be a good conversation to have with our pickleball group. Okay do you like concrete? Do you like asphalt? Is one better than the other? Is there no big difference and so depending on which way you move with those pickleball courts that would be a continued conversation there. So the overall cost for parking lot expansion and hockey rink $473,000. Well that’s just the hockey rink, excuse me and then you deduct the $70,000 for bituminous pad. Parking lot expansion is $165,000 and for those of you who have been out to Bandimere Park they’re already utilizing it and parking has always been really a need at Bandimere Park so it would be my recommendation as staff’s recommendation to move forward with that earlier than some of the other items which 3 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 you currently have that in 2016. The parking lot and the hockey rink but the dollar amounts I think have changed so you’ll have to take a look at that. Scharfenberg: So Todd on the schematic with the hockey rink, it’s the 28 stall parking lot right? Hoffman: Correct. Scharfenberg: Okay. Hoffman: That’s the one. That would be the $165,000 parking lot. Scharfenberg: Okay. Hoffman: 28 stall. You lose a few because of the remodel and then you gain those 28 stalls back. Echternacht: Todd just, did we have a breakdown what those 2 basketball hoops cost in the one option? Hoffman: Just a couple thousand dollars for the hoops. Echternacht: Just wondering if we ended up with the option, with the 6. Hoffman: Pickleball? Echternacht: Pickleball, could we put 2 basketball hoops in there? Hoffman: You just would, because of the fencing it would be prohibitive so you’ve got fencing that would not allow for large enough court area for the basketball. Echternacht: Okay. Hoffman: Yeah. So if you go full pickleball then you’re not going to have the room for the basketball court. It’s kind of a trade-off there so you know people are still playing tennis but they’re not playing tennis like they did in the 1970’s so you have basketball as a back up and then so then sometimes people are there playing basketball so you’re putting two uses on one court. If tennis players show up and there’s people playing basketball, typically they have to wait and vice versa the same way. If there’s tennis players and people show up to play basketball, that’s just not available because you can take, you can play one court and they’re put sideways. Basketball but oftentimes they play full court back and forth and then both tennis courts are impeded by that use. Echternacht: Okay. 4 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Hoffman: And then the covered picnic shelter. It’s a 40 by 80 so the, there was no re-drawing there but the deduct, if you eliminate all the conveniences that are underneath it, concessions, restrooms, it’s a sizeable deduct because now you’re just building a plain shelter similar to the Klingelhutz pavilion out at Lake Ann which is just a covered shelter. So you deduct $210,000 off of the $640,000 so you’re back in that $400,000 range for just a plain shelter. So those were the additional options that the commission asked for and were presented by Amy Bower with Hoisington and those numbers and layouts can continue in your next conversation about the CIP. I’ll be glad to answer any questions. Kelly: Questions for Todd. So Todd as far as the tennis courts versa the pickleball court discussion at the park opening, as you said obviously the 1970’s were the hey day of tennis and since then it’s dwindled quite a bit. What do we have on the south side of 5 for tennis courts other than the rec center? Hoffman: Those are the only ones. Kelly: Those are the only ones. Scharfenberg: I mean other than the high school. Hoffman: Correct. Kelly: High school, I’m sorry. Scharfenberg: High school. Hoffman: There’s 8 there. Kelly: That’s right. There’s none at the rec center. We got rid of them. Hoffman: There’s 2 at the rec center still. Kelly: Oh there are. Hoffman: So we have 2 existing at the rec center. We do run some tennis lessons which are now fairly tight and so you know if there’s other people that we have to block them out so if we have tennis lessons going on and then people show up to play regular tennis then they’re typically bouncing down to the high school. There’s 8 courts at the high school that were built and when this, the high school constructed those new courts at the high school they said, tennis courts they said now these 4 at City Center are yours. We want to walk away from them. Up until that time it was a 50/50 split. These were built at a 50/50 coop in the 1970’s. They were 5 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 refurbished a number of times at a 50/50 coop price and now these are 100 percent ours so we have 4 here at City Center Park. Kelly: So with what we have at the high school and the rec center, would it be fair to say that south of Highway 5 we’re not under served or we are under served for tennis courts. Hoffman: You would be under served basically from a convenience or a walking or biking distance and so it’s basically user area and so, and you’re trying to serve. You know people can drive but people also want to recreate by either biking or walking, especially younger people so it’s really a decision. Well there’s going to be a sport court there one way or the other. You know kids and people want to walk can also walk to pickleball but they just have to play a different game. I don’t think, if the commission decides to put tennis you’re not making a wrong decision at Bandimere Park. You’re just making a decision based on a user group and then you can have basketball as a part of that. You know tennis is still alive and well. It’s not what it used to be but people are still playing tennis. You know if you want to put pickleball then tennis players are going to have to go somewhere else and then there’s going to be a new sport at Bandimere as well so. We’re at a crossroads I think with the pickleball phenomenon coming up. Ten years ago the park board would have recommended tennis courts and the City Council would have approved it so I think you’re just probably good to take some additional community input. Talk to the neighborhoods around that area. Say what would you like to see? During the summer recreation what would your neighbors like to see involved there so I think we have some time for that conversation. You have a variety of options. I don’t think we have to decide it tonight. You don’t even have to decide it as a part of this CIP. You can simply just put sport court. Put a number in and put a year in and away you go. Kelly: Thank you Todd. Other questions? Carron: Do you know if you can put the coating that goes on tennis courts, can you put the coating overtop of a coating or do you have to be milled off? Repaved and then a new coat. Has it ever been one on top of the other? What I’m getting at here is if it comes to a point where we decide that the first idea we put down on this area is not working and we need to redo it, can you just overlay for the sum of $12,000 or whatever it is? Hoffman: Oh so if you build tennis and you want to switch to pickleball? Carron: Yep. Hoffman: Yeah not a big problem. Pull posts. Patch the paint. Repaint some lines. Carron: You can repaint right over the top? Hoffman: Sure. 6 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Carron: Okay, that was my question. Thanks. Kelly: And if we’re talking pickleball are we talking what, 6 or 8 courts in there? Hoffman: Six if you build then in the space for 2 tennis courts. Kelly: Six, okay thank you. Other questions? Todd let’s move on to item 2. INITIATE DISCUSSION REGARDING RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL 2016-2020 PARK AND TRAIL ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (CIP). Hoffman: Thank you Chair Kelly, members of the commission. Annually you have a couple of projects that you need to forward to the City Council. One of them is the Annual Report. The other by city code is the CIP or the capital improvement program so this is your recommendation on how to invest park dollars and also park dedication dollars but also other capital dollars if there’s items that you think need repair or rejuvenation in your park system you can certainly make those recommendations as well. I think we had a little conversation before this meeting about park dedication dollars. What they’re used for. Building your park system out. New endeavors and then general capital dollars would be used for rejuvenations. Example would be the tennis court rejuvenation that recently occurred so when tennis courts are up to be repaired, they’re paid for out of the general capital dollars. When they’re building new they’re paid for out of park dedication and so that’s important to keep in mind. So if you see things that are aging in place, then you want to make a recommendation. Hey, we ought to be taking a look at that. If you want to build new things with park dedication dollars that’s what we’re talking about as well. Before you get into the detail I think one of the important things to remember this year in your CIP conversation is that you have a baseball field expansion. Athletic field expansion capacity study that you have out working on the streets. You’ll see that in September and the City Council will see that in November so those recommendations will not be as a, will not be a component of this CIP conversation. Your place holder right now for athletic lights, you know you have those put out into the future and you probably either just want to continue to save those place holders. You just won’t have the information so I just don’t recommend that you start putting a lot of things out there before you get those recommendations back in September and November from the City Council. So those are considerations on how you want to move those things around based on what will come out of that report. The dollar amounts, the CIP, the park fund has $1.9 million dollars. Generally receipts of a couple hundred thousand dollars annually for the past few years. Some higher. Some lower. When the economy came back it spiked again and so the fund balance increased but generally about $300,000 per year on average for the next 5 years. You know that’s $1.5 million out of a $1.9 million dollar fund. Bandimere I think is really one of the focuses right now but it doesn’t have to be the entire focus. There are other things that are coming up. You’ll have to make a place holder for the trail to the Arboretum and so we don’t know what that local match will be but you’ll want to make a note that in 2019 now that’s the date. 2019. It’s not 2018. It was moved up to 2019. You’ll need to have a place 7 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 holder for a local match and so you know we’ll figure out what that amount is. Is that $100,000? Is that $200,000? $300,000 but that project is going to be a County project in cooperation with the City of Chanhassen and the Arboretum. So you know that’s coming. We’ve not talked about other general trail projects in quite some time. Some of your trail projects were formerly on a CIP and were removed. Bluff Creek is an example. Bluff Creek Drive. That was removed to be incorporated into a street project but there are a couple others. One in particular, the one on Highway 7 that leads from Minnewashta Parkway west to the city of Victoria and that trail, some people have been talking about that. You’re going to have a conversation in July with the neighbors out at Roundhouse Park and there’s a tennis court planned there and a hockey rink planned there and a playground expansion plan there so as you’ve been focusing as staff and the commission and the citizenry I think has been focusing on Bandimere, there’s still plenty of other things to keep in mind out on our park system so that’s really what I want to assist the commission with. Give you accurate information. The dollars run out quicker than everybody hopes but you know I think with some good planning you can really make some significant impacts. And another concept that I think has been coming up more and more lately is, let’s do what adds value. The most value at the bottom level and so if you have facilities and activities already in your park system that are servicing peoples needs, you know you can always accentuate those and add to those but as a community I think we really want to come in at the bottom level and add new things or new service areas. People that are currently under served. You know a good example of that was the recent picnic shelters. The council saw that outlying neighborhoods, existing neighborhood parks were being under served because the new neighborhood parks were getting shelters. They were enjoying that facility but they, you know the other parks were not and so they brought that onboard. So with that I’ll allow the commission to at least start their conversation tonight. Be here for questions on the CIP but you have June, July and August. You can either formulate a recommendation for the August commission meeting or into September if you need to go that far. Kelly: Thank you Todd. Todd on the Bluff Creek trail which you mentioned which will be rolled into the street project, because we had that at one point, when does the street project look to be going forward and is there any inkling that they might come back and look at us for dollars? Hoffman: I hope not. I don’t have an answer for either one so I don’t know the exact year yet and I hope they won’t come back. That was really one of the overriding premises for putting it into the street project is to get that. We had half a million basically. Kelly: That’s what I thought, yeah. Hoffman: And to get that back out of there and put that into the street project. But if street funds are low and they happen to put that project and the park fund looks robust, they may come back and look this way but we don’t have any idea now. Kelly: So we’d better spend the money quick. 8 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Hoffman: I wouldn’t give them any indication that we’re going to save a place holder for them and Paul doesn’t read these Minutes so I can talk about it all I want. Kelly: Thank you Todd. Other questions? Carron: Todd. Thunberg: Go ahead. Carron: Anything in 2015 with the current CIP that looks like it just, it might be pushed off? I’m kind of looking at the 2 bottom ones. Galpin trail extension. I haven’t seen anything on that or the reconstruction of 61 and 101. Just as accounting. Hoffman: The Galpin trail extension, that $150,000 should move forward into 2016. We don’t know if Shorewood’s going to come back and so Shorewood did not accept their bids and we just don’t know if they’ll come back but it’s a worthy project I think for those kind of, that kind of investment to finish our northern leg. And then the reconstruct, that’s happening. That’s our matching funds and I don’t know when they’re going to take them out of the fund. If they’re going to take them out in 2015 or 2016 but so the last item is the trail that’s going to go on old Highway 212. County Road 61 in the valley and the State’s building the project. The County’s involved. County’s actually the contractor. It will be a county road and that’s our local match so that will be taken out. Everything else is underway or planned for. There’s no other items. Camden Ridge trail, we’re paying the bills on that. Fence dugouts. That project’s been quoted and ready to build once we get the ballfields quieted down in July and August. Everything else in 2015 is happening. You’re just going to have to bump out that Galpin Boulevard trail extension and that’s a, you know that’s a match again. That’s with the City of Shorewood. I can’t recall what their half of that was but we were matching what they were doing to finish out our piece. And for those that are not aware, that’s a dead end trail on Galpin Boulevard. It dead ends before our corporate limits and so Shorewood says we’re going to come south towards you but we’re going to stop at our corporate limits. Do you want to fill your gap and we said yeah, we do so that would be that 150 to fill that gap. Thunberg: Todd for playground equipment. What’s the typical life of that and if we needed to replace or upgrade any of that, does that come out of our fund or the capital fund? Hoffman: So we’re just starting a conversation based on some citizen correspondence up at the Power Hill Park and so typically you’re going to say 20 to 30 years. Hopefully 25 to 30 would be about the maximum lifespan of a new playground and what Adam and I are talking about is we’re going to formulate for you to review either later this year or next year a playground replacement program, similar to our tennis court refurbishment so we’ll let you know when they were all installed. What their age is. How long we think they’re going to last. You know a new playground is $40,000 to $50,000 in today’s dollars without any other improvements. If you 9 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 have to take out border it’s going to be more and that kind of program should be coming out of the general capital dollars and so you’re no longer increasing capacity. You’re just replacing outdated equipment and so that will be a conversation to have long term. Most of our playgrounds are, or many of our playgrounds are in that 15 age but then there was a variety in 2015. Some are older ones. 2005 that were improved so those are now 10 years old and that was a big initiative. A half a million dollars that the City Council forwarded to the park commission and said we have a lot of outdated, basically they were wood structures at that time. Then we also have some playgrounds which have a phase 1 but the phase 2 for the younger kids. Playgrounds are in two age classes. 5 to 12 and 2 through 5 and right now it really doesn’t make a lot of sense to go back in and add a 2 through 5 until you remodel it and so I would just recommend that you hold those over and you’ll see those spaces out and about in some of those areas where the phase 2 was just never completed. Kelly: Other questions for Todd at this time? Scharfenberg: Todd you and I had talked at one point about potentially doing some pavement work I think on the Rice Marsh trail. Is that something that we would be looking into the capital fund for 2015? Hoffman: No. So refurbishment of the existing trail right? Scharfenberg: Right. Hoffman: Yeah so all of our trails, existing trails are in a pavement management program that’s operated by our engineering division and so there’s a pavement condition index. A PCI score that is applied, just like our streets and so every one of our trails is walked by a consultant every 3 years and then those scores are updated and they’re regraded and then based on those scores, once they get to a low enough. Typically it’s 40 and under. 100 is new. Zero is dirt, gravel and once they’re at about 40 and under then it’s time to start looking at getting those into a repavement project. This year Kerber Boulevard is being repaved and they got really favorable bids to replace the trail on Kerber. It’s cracked. It’s not in as bad a condition as the Rice March Lake trail but one of the reasons they got those good bids is because you’re right next door to repaving so you know they’re going to pave that as well. The engineers, you know we said let’s go and take a look at doing that and so they’re taking a look at repaving from Highway 101 to the city of Eden Prairie and so we got a quote from, I believe it’s Park Construction that is doing the Kerber Boulevard project. They wouldn’t honor their same bid that they did on Kerber because of the conditions and complexity and the isolation of that trail section so the engineers have gotten a bid from them. They’re going to get a couple of other quotes as well to repave that trail. Basically you would grind it up from 101 east to Eden Prairie and repave it and so that would all be done out of the pavement management. Basically the street fund. Hougham: What’s the timing on that Todd? 10 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Hoffman: That would be done likely in September. August or September. We’d also like to incorporate the piece from 101 to Lake Susan Park but depending on funding that may not get done this year. So we’re out doing some, Adam and his group are out doing some pre-work. If you see trimming along that trail section, that’s what they’re preparing for. Trimming out the over hanging so we can get trucks and equipment through there but we still don’t have a contract in place for the replacement but that’s the hope. The plan I should say. Kelly: Other questions? Thunberg: There, and this is probably very far out. If anything it’d be on the radar but with the last section of 101 and that potential conversation for 5 plus years out, that road being the last section to redo. It sounds like some of that is in motion or at least in the beginning stages and then how that would open up the south part of Chanhassen. Is there anything that we would need to start considering with the trail going down to the last section of 101? Would that be part of the street project? Similar to the Bluff Creek conversation. Hoffman: It’s part of the street project similar to the two trails that went in on the piece between Pioneer and Lyman. This is going to go on two sides for a portion of the distance and then one side on the bluff going down. It’s on the east side or the left side going down and then it would connect to the LRT trail so that’s all planned and those plans are pretty well along. Now it’s just a funding issue and as long as we’re talking about that, the bridge is being built but it’s just, it’s really behind and they’re having some, so don’t look for that to be necessarily completed by November. It’s hard to say. They’re only working 8 hours a day right now because of some contract issues and so time will tell if that’s completed. 61 will be completed but I’m not sure the bridge will be completed just yet so wait and see. But there’s good momentum. There’s a lot of discussion. You know the City’s invested in that. The County’s invested in that. The State’s invested in that but when we’re not in charge of the pocketbook over at the State, somebody over there has got to make that call and get those funds rolling so it will be a nice project when it’s all said and done. Once 61 and the bridge crossing is done there’s going to be a lot of people looking at it saying is this, are you planning for this and we’re just going to hand them the plans and say there it is. HIGHOVER DRIVE/GUNFLINT TRAIL PATH ISSUE. Kelly: Brent, do you want to talk to that? Carron: Sure. So the Highover, Highway Drive and Gunflint Trail is, trail is actually a road. There’s an interconnecting path inbetween these two neighborhoods. This neighborhood is my neighborhood and about 3 weeks ago we’ve had our fifth violator drive through. Use the path as a connecting route between the two dead end cul-de-sacs and got friends. School’s out. The 2 out of the 5 have been caught. Younger kids in high school and they’re using the path as just a quick get around and one of the residents actually jumped out and grabbed the kid’s cell phone and cops came and ended up giving a reckless so I think for the most part the police are doing a 11 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 pretty good job. The neighbors are doing a pretty good job. However of watching it and trying to police as best they can. However a few of the neighborhood people got together and called me down since I’m the, on the HOA and park and rec and I had a nice little chat with some people, of my neighbors and they’ve got some concerns on that they don’t feel that the park and rec or the City’s doing enough to make sure that people stay off that trail so my, what I told them I would do is bring this up at our meeting and with the commission’s approval, if we could ask staff to take a look at it and bring up some possibilities of some different things to do to deter motorized vehicles on this path. It’s about a 9 foot path. Again it’s about a block long. Since this has taken place the City has gone out and installed permanent signs that say no motor vehicles allowed. However we all know that you just can’t fix people that want to be dumb or you know do that every once in a while. Push it. They do it really early in the morning at 7:00 or what not but the big thing is that it’s, it’s a melting pot for kids in the back. It’s kind of like a fish bowl. Everyone, all the kids play in the back. We’ve got some young kids in the neighborhood and the residents are pretty up in arms about it so with that I think there’s a couple things you know the residents were throwing out bollards or landscaping or narrowing it or, narrowing the curb cuts so instead of making it a 9 foot on the curb cut, maybe narrowing it so that if you’re going to drive a car on it you feel a big bump. Painting the sidewalk. Painting the curb. I don’t think it’s an issue the fact that people don’t know it’s not a street. It’s just the fact that we’re just trying to deter it as much as possible so that’s the background on it and I guess that would be my ask if the commission wants to bring this forward and have staff look at it and then come back to next meeting that’s what I would move for so if there’s questions. Kelly: Yeah I’ve got a question for Adam actually. As far, we clean that in the winter and the summer correct. Beers: Correct. Kelly: So it’s all seasons. How wide do we need it for our vehicles to get on there? Beers: Our plows are 8 feet so you know a 9 foot trail is obviously more than we need. With the 9 foot trail we do obviously a lot less damage to everybody’s yard you know throughout our trail system. We tend to… Kelly: Right and so if we made it smaller to 8 feet that really wouldn’t deter any cars from getting on there so I don’t know if that’s a solution or not. Otherwise, you know I guess the other question is, would your neighbors care if the snow wasn’t removed in the winter? Carron: Well I believe they would because they do use that in the winter to get back and forth and there’s a lot of, I mean they’re next door neighbors so they use it back and forth and that sort of thing but then I think, I don’t know about a City standpoint if that’s a liability issue. Hoffman: Basically it’s a conformity issue so if we stop snowplowing on one section of the trail, then other neighbors would say well why don’t you stop snowplowing our section. We do get 12 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 that question from time to time for a variety of reasons. People want to do other activities on the trail. Snowshoe or cross country ski so right now it’s uniform that all of our trail sections that are plowable are plowed for winter recreation and that would be an expectation that people would have. It just wouldn’t affect the neighbors. Other people utilize that on a running route in the winter and then they would find it not plowed and then they would not have the ability to use that public trail system as they’re running around so I think we have a variety of options that we’ve already started to consider. The one thing right now is the effect is really flat and wide at the entrance to the road. Pedestrian cut, curb cuts and truncated domes were never installed. They were called for as a part of the development contract and they just were not installed and so narrowing that neck down, we have some signage that can go in place. Basically some traffic calming issues to make it not so convenient that you can drive on it but that would be a start. Bollards have been talked about. I believe most of the perceived, most of the input and so bollards you can talk about that but then you have a maintenance issue where you have to take it out. Put it back in. Take it out. Put it back in. Also at the bottom hill if you put a fixed object in there you have a lot of downhill traffic. Kids on skateboards and longboards, bikes, rollerblades and now you have a fixed object at the bottom of a downhill grade and it’s just not a, it’s not the best solution so you could take a look at curbing. There could be curbing placed at both sides. You can modify it on the south side by putting a curb right at the end of the trail and then you have the access go a little bit to the west down to a curb cut and then cars would have to drive over a curb but the same thing, then everybody else has to negotiate a curb which they’re not expecting when they come to the end of the trail. That they would have to take a sharp right. On the north side if you put a curb in then you would force them onto a sidewalk, which you can do. Again you can force them onto a sidewalk and then they would have to go down to a driveway to get out so now you’re, instead of saying the public access point is here at the end of the trail. You’re saying it’s at a neighbor’s driveway which would not be real popular as well so we’ve taken a look at a lot of considerations. Talked to a lot of people by phone and email and I think we can provide the commission some pretty good options to take a look at that would be, you know they’re going to cost a few dollars but they’re going to be low dollar and then we’ll start there and then we’ll ramp up from that point if we continue to have this kind of incident. This is not the only place that people drive on our public trail system so there’s other places where from time to time we get a car on a trail and it does happen. They’re a paved surface. All of our trails are 8 to 10 feet wide. 8 foot is the minimum. 10 foot is really now the new standard for any trail so this is halfway inbetween and like Adam said, the fact that it’s 9 feet really helps us to stay on that trail. Now you’re driving through 4 people’s yards and so it’s really in our best interest and they would like to see us stay on top of that trail so that 9 foot trail is nice. It could be 8 but then you’re going to fall off from time to time and cause some turf damage. Kelly: Thank you Todd. Any other questions for Todd or Brent? Boettcher: Just for information Brent. Has this been happening as long as you’ve been living there? Did it just start? Has it just been the summer? Has it been winter time too? And I saw the emails 2 weeks ago or whatever but it wasn’t really clear. I mean I don’t know how much difference it makes but is it only a summer time thing and did it just start recently? 13 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Carron: Twice this year, 3 times last year. All during the summer. Boettcher: All in the summer. Carron: Yeah, all different times of day. From 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. And then I guess later that night too when people are kind of looking out their window I’ve heard rumors about but I don’t know if any police reports are made up or not. Hoffman: It’s been a different cross section of you know some teenagers. Some adult drivers. Some people that just wanted to use it as a short cut. Some folks it’s just a one time, you know I’m in the neighborhood I’m going to go that direction. And typical scenario is that these are not your average A+ citizen or teenager and so again you’re dealing with folks that are typically in some kind of trouble elsewhere in their lives and they just make, choose to make these poor decisions. Echternacht: Well I think we should address back to your neighborhood that we’re moving forward on this and so I’d say that we make a. Kelly: Why don’t we ask Brent to make a motion to add it to our agenda for next month. Carron: I will do that. I’d like to make a motion that staff look into the possible issues that we could do to mitigate motorize vehicles on this path. Kelly: There’s a motion on the Highover/Gunflint pass trail. Trail pass, excuse me. Is there a second? Boettcher: Second. Kelly: And it’s been seconded. Carron moved, Boettcher seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission direct staff to look for possible solutions to mitigate motorized vehicles on the path between Highover Drive and Gunflint Trail. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 8 to 0. PARK AND TRAIL MAINTENANCE REPORT. Kelly: Adam you’re going to tell us about a little maintenance activity. Beers: Absolutely. Thank you Chair Kelly and commissioners. I’m just going to give you a brief update about where we are at this summer with maintenance and projects and I’ll get out of your way. So we started out basically trying to restore the shelter sites that we finished last 14 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 season at Chan Hills, Sugarbush and Stone Creek. We’re in the final stages of turf restorations. Some final touches. We’re also starting the next 3, we’re finding some rain issues throughout this spring and summer. We’re moving along quite steadily. Rec Center pickleball courts, big project to get off the list. …for use and I think we’re getting quite a bit of use. Had some good feedback from…and it’s been a great project and being well used. Pioneer Pass cemetery was a project we started this winter with...to add additional plots. We’re in the process of again the final phase of restoration. Last week we built a temporary irrigation system just to kind of help get through June and July…and cruise right along into the fall. Another big project that we started to get underway is the recycling initiative. We’ve worked, Todd and I worked closely with Jill Sinclair in planning…securing funds from Carver County in purchasing containers so we’ve gotten most of our main parks, Lake Ann, Susan, Bandimere containers on these sites or close to it. We’ve gotten a good response at Lake Ann. Not really too much contamination. People are I think getting on board with the program. Our staff is moving along quite nicely. You know we’ve had some bumps…our garbage service just trying to coordinate pick up times and how we are going to kind of play out our schedule so it’s working quite well. Other than that we’ve had 2 new hires to our full time staff, Gary Berg and Dustin Koskela and they are fitting in quite well. Dustin spends most of his days up around City Center and the library area so you’ll see him out and about. He’s a very friendly guy. Feel free to say hello. Gary is a light equipment operator and just on board now for a few months so he’s getting his feet wet…and he’s been a great addition so if you guys have any questions I’d be glad to answer. Kelly: Questions for Adam. I have a comment to make. Todd I don’t know if you saw it yesterday. The Minneapolis paper had an article about recycling. Hoffman: I did. Kelly: And how they’re losing money on it and cities are going to have pay more so did you, you should probably pass that onto Todd too. Hoffman: Contamination of the recycling screen through single sort. Kelly: Yes. So I thought it was an interesting article that the City probably should be aware of. Hoffman: Absolutely agree. Kelly: Thank you. Anything else? Any other questions? Adam thank you for your report tonight. Beers: Not a problem. REC CENTER REPORT. Sarles: Hello. Greetings. 15 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Kelly: Greetings. Sarles: We start on Dance for Fun. We have finished and started the new season of dance so we th completed dance on May 9. We had about 1,400 dancers. Over 600 tickets sold for that program. At the end of the year, well last week we sent 9 dancers to Nationals which were in Burnsville this year and 2 of those got high honors. One got first place so very proud of our dance team right now. They do a great job so what’s up next for them. Fourth of July parade so they’ll be dancing in that as well. As far as the Rec Center Sports spring and summer activities here. When you put in a new crop of youngsters in our t-ball programs. We’re not going to soccer…great summer activity for the kids. 150 kids participating in 4 to 6 year olds. 51 in our Small Fry’s so that’s fantastic. We welcomed a new Rec Sports coordinator. His name is Rob Stevens and he’s doing a great job for us so we’re proud to have some strong programs. Strong after school programs as well we finished off the year with. Tennis at the Rec Center was very popular this year so we had 16 kids playing on those 2 tennis courts so it’s a bit of a shuffle to get them all through there in that time. Rec Center is undergoing their first year of the 5 year revitalization project. First thing we were able to update, which couldn’t have come any better time, we had one treadmill burn out right when we ordered the 3 new ones to replace them so those are getting used quite a bit. Those motors are running all the time so it’s great to get those in. In addition to that we’re working on updates in the facility countertops and digital marketing welcome center in our lobby this year so, so there’s all sorts of different… Then we talk a lot, you guys have been talking a lot about pickleball but we have a fantastic indoor/outdoor to our building so unfortunately the weather didn’t cooperate with us but with the amount of people that we had RSVP’d it was a good evening. You guys all helped that came out there. We did host our indoor ribbon cutting. Deputy Mayor Tjornhom did that for us. I think by the end we had people out there playing…on the outdoor courts. The rain did stop. Unfortunately there were some footprints left on the outdoor courts but that’s been fixed at this point so that’s good. The Southwest Metro Pickleball Club has been an absolute fantastic group to be working with. They supported us. They gave us $100 for our grand opening so that helped us get some more pickleballs and a pickle bar and a few other things to do that. We keep holding onto those other pickleball clinics so if anybody’s wanting to learn a little bit more about the game and meet some of our crew out there, Thursday evening we are, is our next one and that goes from 6:00 to 8:30. Or 6:30 to 8:00, I’m sorry. Those folks will be out there helping… And then along with that we started our first annual…rec center tournament. Today was the first day of play. Today we had 7 teams working… Tomorrow we’re going to do the men’s doubles around…They’re all getting a little ditty bag. Some more information on Chanhassen and the Rec Center so it’s a great tournament. So far so good. Everybody’s been very positive… And that is kind of the news from the Rec Center right now. Kelly: Kind of quiet over there huh? Sarles: Oh yeah. It’s like usual. 16 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Kelly: How many people signed up for the tournament? Sarles: Let’s see we had teams. We had 14 playing today and 16 tomorrow…so it was slow to start with. We couldn’t get, unfortunately we advertised…so we cancelled all the novice games. Hoffman: They’re all advanced. Sarles: They’re all advanced. Very advanced. Who knew. Kelly: So on a daily basis how are the pickleball courts being used? Quite a bit. Is there a line? Sarles: Yeah there’s definitely, you know they come in the mornings. There’s kind of the regulars from our locals who are playing the same kind of schedule as they were playing inside at the Rec Center but they moved Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We have groups that are coming down on Tuesday and Thursday mornings. They like to play in the mornings or the evenings because that keeps them out of the sun a little bit… We usually find the younger, teenagers… Kelly: Good, now you mentioned I think with your young kids, I didn’t catch the number. You said a bunch of them are playing tennis now. Sarles: We had 16 take part in our after school events program so that’s great to see all those youngsters out so we had them kind of shuffling through so playing inside in the gym to practice serves and things like that… Kelly: So what’s your normal in the past been for tennis? Sarles: Anywhere between 10 and 20. Kelly: So it’s right about normal. Sarles: It’s right there, yeah. The last 2 years it’s been…it just depends. Kelly: Other questions for Jodi? Thank you Jodi. Sue. SENIOR CENTER UPDATE. Bill: Thank you. I do work in the senior center…and everything else, summer’s been a busy time at the senior center. I did attach, I got the newsletter…I think they called it the million dollar newsletter but the Connection, the summer Connection goes out the first part of March and there’s information on programs and probably a reality of working with the population that I do, I don’t think a lot of people know in March what they’re going to be doing in August so the newsletter was mailed the end of May. Every one of my day trips and programs filled out when the newsletter goes out to about 650 people and the day trips range anywhere from $35 to $65 so 17 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 it was really Amy upstairs does a really good job and I really filled out programs so I wanted to highlight that. Other thing I think I mentioned at our last, when we met back in March I was going to do a Lifelong Learning program. This Senior Learning Network, a live video conference. I had that 2 weeks ago. We did a live interactive video conference with the FDR library, national archives in New York. Rick Rice was excellent. He bought a hundred dollar camera that we mounted. We were able to have an hour and a half program where we had a dialogue and a tour and information on their program and museum in New York. People loved it so we’ll be introducing that in a couple more programs. I may have 2 people come over for that and they thought it was wonderful so we’ll continue…so that was really, really well received. The only other thing I wanted to talk about this summer we’ve got a lot of programs going on. Joint programs…Lions picnic. We had a fraud presentation that Carver County Emergency Management coming…program. Two programs at the Carver parks. Carver County parks department. Chanhassen Historical Society is doing a program. First year we’re going to do Let’s go Fishing on Lake Riley so just a lot of wonderful opportunities in the summer and a lot of other organizations so… Kelly: You’re quite busy as usual I can see and the picnic was just. Bill: Last week. Kelly: Last week. Bill: Lions, Mayor. We had a Certificate of Appreciation that the Mayor…and people just loved it. Great turn out. Weather was wonderful so… Scharfenberg: And how many do you have going tomorrow? Bill: To the Twins game? 34 and then there are I think 10 kids from the park department… The one thing with that tomorrow Southwest Transit is providing one of the metro buses so we don’t have to pay for transportation. Kelly: Boy that’s really nice. Bill: Yeah. Should be fun. Kelly: Hopefully you’ll see a good game. They’re doing pretty well. Bill: Yes they are. Kelly: Thank you Sue. Katie you’re up. 18 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 RECREATION PROGRAMS: 2015 FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION REPORT. nd Favro: Thank you Chairman Kelly and commissioners. This is going to be the 32 Annual ndth Fourth of July celebration and it will be starting on Thursday, July 2 through Saturday, July 4. nd The 2 is going to be a family fun day again that we do. We open just the carnival up for families who have younger kids and want to kind of experience the carnival atmosphere without rd all the craziness of everybody else being there. On our 3 we’re going to do the Chanhassen Rotary Taste of Chanhassen wine and beer garden. There are currently 7 vendors for that. We also will have the Southwest Metro Chamber of Commerce doing their Business Expo. We’ll have live music from Ragtown and then Casa Blanca Orchestra for our street dance that night. We also will have the carnival. Set up pony rides and then different activities like that. Then on th the 4 we have our big fishing contest for the adults and the youth along with some other beach activities down at Lake Ann. This is also going to be…the Rotary’s big parade and coordinate with that and then…will also be performing. The carnival will be open…and different activities like that. We have, well it’s being partnered with several organizations. The Chanhassen Rotary. Southwest Metro Chamber of Commerce. The Minnesota Twins. They will be doing a clinic at Chanhassen High School and then the Chanhassen Senior Commission will be offering bingo again this year. In addition to this we’ve also partnered with the Southwest Metro Newspaper to create a 16 page promotional magazine for the event and that was in the Villager last Thursday and we also will have two ads that go in. Kind of a highlight of the schedule we’ve got so we have. One will be in this Thursday so you can look for that and then the second right before the event we have a…brochure that is going to be going into there so we definitely have a great relationship. Dave Crawford and all the staff and… Fourth of July t-shirts are also on sale. You guys also got one. We’ve got youth sizes, medium and large and adult sizes small through XXL and you can see those here at City Hall or at the Rec Center. This is going to be one of the biggest events that we have that coordinates with our 2015 Community Event Sponsors. We also have a lot of smaller local sponsors who are donating prizes and different things like that for us so that’s just a brief overview. Hoffman: Come see it next week. ndrdth Kelly: Yeah I know you don’t get a lot to do on the 2, 3 or 4 but all those events are great rd and that party on the 3 is just something else. All the people that show up and so you’ve guys got your hands full and it’s a great time. It’s a great event for our city so thank you. Favro: Yeah I’m excited and I’m looking forward to it. We’ve been planning it for a while. I’m just getting excited to… Kelly: It will turn out very well I’m sure. Favro: I’m sure too. 19 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Kelly: Any questions for Katie? Thank you very much. Now you’re still on, your KleinBank series. 2015 KLEINBANK SUMMER CONCERT SERIES. Favro: Yeah I’m still on, thank you. The City, we just kicked off our 2015 KleinBank Summer Concert Series last Thursday at City Center Plaza. We had the Calhoun Brass Band. It was a beautiful night. We had a great turnout. Probably about 200 people there. The summer concert th series is in it’s 11 year and we have 9 performances throughout the summer. The performances are on Thursday evenings beginning at 7:00 except we do have a Teddy Bear Band on Thursday, th July 30 and they will be performing at 11:00 a.m. This is based for families and daycares and younger kids. It’s a great band and all the kids love it. Great event. We do sell some small concessions. Fresh popcorn and beverages. Everything is under a dollar and it’s a great way to kind of just make it feel a little bit more homey and comfortable for everyone. KleinBank is going to be, or they agreed to be the title sponsor again and they have, their sponsorship of $2,500 is greatly appreciated and it helps us get bands that…a park plaza. It has been a great partnership with KleinBank. We look forward to every year to the KleinBank Summer Concert Series and we look forward to working with them again in the future. They are at all the concerts. They do provide free water… th Kelly: I see on July 30 the senior commission is teaming up with the Mayor night and going right into from there, I think it’s a dinner. Is that a dinner Sue? Bill: In the Senior Center, yes. Kelly: Dinner in the Senior Center and it goes right into the concert series which is kind of cool. Very cool. Any other questions for Katie? Thank you. Landen I think you’re up. You can sit if you want. SURVEY RESULTS FROM THE SUMMER CONCERT SERIES. Rimestad: I’ve got to use the doc cam here just to present a little. Kelly: Okay. Rimestad: This is probably good for reading wise. We can move the apron around. Alright so as you can see this is the survey that we have for the KleinBank concert series. Well before I get ahead of myself, thank you Chair Kelly and commission. We are addressing certain aspects of the concert series from the time. The bands. What we’d like for the future and so hopefully, this information gathered will help us guide the course for future improvements with programming and capital budgets within the series here. So we’ll be getting more data through the summer. This is just the first concert and fortunately I’m going to have to re-evaluate my delivery system with these surveys so we’ll try some new things with that. Hopefully get some more surveys in 20 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 and more data from the participants and the community members as well but just a little information. So far the people that filled out the surveys go to 4 to 6 concerts a summer. What they liked is the location. They liked being outdoors, especially on a Thursday night. Escaping from the, I assume escaping from the busy week. The length of the concert, the time and the variety of music also provided is liked according to the surveys. And they hear mostly through the Villager and the Chanhassen Connection so we’ll update you in the future. Kelly: Any questions for Landen? Scharfenberg: So Landen how many people last time did you get kind of responses from? Rimestad: I got about 9. 9 surveys plus the additional conversations which are recorded. Not recorded via tape but just notes taken down. Scharfenberg: Okay. Kelly: Thank you Landen. Hoffman: Just your warm smile will do on delivery…Free box of popcorn maybe. ATHLETIC FIELD USE AND FACILITY EXPANSION STUDY STAKEHOLDER FIELD TRIP. Kelly: Athletic field use and facility expansion study stakeholder field trip, I will be presenting. What was the date on that Todd that we did that? th Hoffman: June 10. Kelly: Well it doesn’t matter. It was earlier this month and basically what we did is we went to four fields. We started here at City Center. We went over to Lake Ann and then we went over to the Rec Center and we ended at Bandimere and we had the Chanhassen Athletic Association Baseball was with us. Chan/Chaska Soccer was with us and Minnetonka Soccer was with us, along with two of the landscape architects and Todd and Katie were with us, and Jodi so we had quite a good crew and we looked at the different fields on how can we expand them. How can we get more use out of them. We had discussions with the landscape architects on you know what the needs are and we asked the people from these various sports, you know what are your needs and we kind of ended it with you know what is your vision? The City likes to partner with groups and if you’ve got something that you think can be helpful and you want to partner with us come forward and talk to us and I think we’re also going to have a presentation from what the landscape architects put together and I believe last month you also had Amy give you a presentation and she’s with the same group of landscape architects that was with us so it was, I think it was a good field trip and the fact that we had 3 different groups along with us, that gave us their input was very helpful. Questions. 21 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Thunberg: Were there any common themes with the feedback they provided? One or two things that seemed to come up by each of the groups or just a wealth of various ideas. Kelly: Well you know baseball people want to expand some of the fields, especially over at the Rec Center, which makes sense depending upon a number of things. The soccer people are just interested in how can we expand field usage. You know we kind of went over the history of how the fields work like here at City Center and then the land we acquired over there and the land we can’t acquire and the uses we have and we didn’t have Mr. Ruegemer to tell us how much they can be used or not used so, but the thing is everybody’s looking for more. That’s the common theme and so it’s, is there a way we can deliver in a way that it’s cost effective and a way that they want to partner with us I think is the big thing that came out of it. Hoffman: Adam was with that night and the fields were absolutely full and it’s great to see when you’re on those tours. Each site we were at activities were either in full swing or they were wrapping up and it’s really just nice to see them at capacity. People were happy in the parks. The coordinators were there. I would say one common theme is Todd Neils was lobbying for lights just about all night long but that’s what he does so that was good. No surprises there. Scharfenberg: Cole, when you said baseball wants to expand at the Rec Center, I guess what did them mean by that because they’re kind of built out. I don’t know. Kelly: I think they want to pull the fields out a little bit so they’re a little bigger. So the base path is a little longer. That’s. Hoffman: Increase the aggregate area. Scharfenberg: They’re doing that already. Hoffman: Yeah. Scharfenberg: They were going to do that this fall. Hoffman: They’re talking about that and then just physical improvements to the dugouts and not an expansion on the fields. Number of fields but doing some improvement projects there. Scharfenberg: Alright, thank you. Kelly: Other questions? Hoffman: And then a follow up. So Jerry and I meet with the group from Hoisington on Thursday to take a look at their survey. Probably going to be Siri Monkey or another application like that to go back to all of the stakeholder groups and to receive their input and then they’ll 22 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 start formulating some recommendations. They’re going to take a look at school district data. Population projections and then you’ll start seeing those recommendations in September and that’s going to be a fairly involved meeting. You’re going to have to be on your toes. You’re going to get a presentation with a lot of information. You’re going to need to turn around and make some sort of a recommendation to the City Council that night so come prepared. Well rested in September. Kelly: Thanks Todd. No other commission member presentations. Move onto the Administrative Packet. ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET. None. Kelly: Anything specific you want to point out Todd? Hoffman: Not in the Admin Packet. We do have one item which we just want to remind everybody, our next meeting will be a special neighborhood meeting at Roundhouse Park on July thth 14. Tuesday, July 14 so look for the same mailings that the neighborhood will receive we’ll send to you and we’ll have the schedule and the time meeting there on site and basically to talk about the park plan. It’s really not been completed. The hockey rink has not been built. Tennis court has not been built. Some of the tennis court location currently what sits on that tennis court pad is a basketball. Half court basketball. So it’s really a good time just to meet with that neighborhood and talk about what they would like to see happen. Similar to the meeting you had th at Herman Field probably 3 or 4 years ago… Tuesday, July 14. Hougham: What time is that? Hoffman: I think we’ll set it, well you can pick a time. 6:30 to 7:30 or 7:00. What do you think? Do you want to get supper done so 7:00 to 8:00. Kelly: I think 7:00 works. Hougham: Could we do 6:30 to 7:30? Kelly: Yeah. Let’s make it 6:30 to 7:30. Hoffman: Okay. Kelly: Other questions, comments or does somebody want to call the question? Carron moved, Echternacht seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 8 to 0. The Park and Recreation Commission meeting was adjourned at 8:45 p.m. 23 Park and Recreation Commission – June 23, 2015 Submitted by Todd Hoffman Park and Rec Director Prepared by Nann Opheim 24