PRC 2017 06 27
CHANHASSEN PARK AND
RECREATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
JUNE 27, 2017
Chairman Scharfenberg called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Cole Kelly, Steve Scharfenberg, Rick Echternacht, Jennifer
Hougham, Karl Tsuchiya, Meredith Petouvis, Lauren Dale, and Grant Schaeferle
MEMBERS ABSENT: Jim Boettcher
STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation Director; Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation
Superintendent; Katie Favro, Recreation Supervisor; Adam Beers, Park Superintendent; Jodi
Sarles, Rec Center Manager; and Sue Bill, Senior Center Coordinator
PUBLIC PRESENT:
Glenn Kaufmann 6870 Redwing Lane
Judy Stretar 6801 Manchester Drive
Kathleen & Kurt Leisman 6849 Manchester Drive
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Chairman Scharfenberg approved the agenda as presented.
(… indicates comments could not be heard on the audio tape either because the
microphone was not turned on or people were not talking into the microphone.)
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PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS: ANNOUNCEMENT OF AUGUST 8 JOINT
COMMISSIONER TOUR.
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Hoffman: We have at least one that we’ll start with and that is that on August 8 there will be a
joint meeting between the different commissions and so traditionally the Park and Recreation
Commission has joined the Environmental and Planning Commission on a tour on an evening.
Sometimes it’s in August. It’s been other months as well. So just takes a look at a variety of
projects throughout the community. This year we’re focusing on Mission Hills Senior Living
which will be a senior housing south of Highway 5 along 101. The Fox Woods Preserve so we’ll
actually be taking a look inside the woods along some of the trails that are being developed there
as a part of the Fox Woods subdivision. The West water treatment plant and Manchester Park
and then Anthem on the Park. Another development so those are the current stopping points and
we’ll send you out an agenda and a tour itinerary and those that can make it please joint us.
Scharfenberg: Thank you Todd. I’ll make one other announcement for Thursday evening is the
Chanhassen Recognition Night at the Chanhassen Red Birds game. The Red Birds play the
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Burnsville Bobcats at 7:30 p.m. All City Council, staff, commissioners are welcomed to come…
They all get in for free and your spouses will have to pay but we invite all city staff…hope that
everybody come out and watch the Red Birds who have now won 11 games in a row.
Hoffman: Are they playing before Thursday or could that be 12 that night?
Scharfenberg: They play, they’re playing at Victoria tonight and they play Champlain tomorrow
night…and I would just note for the record that Commissioner Hougham is now here and
present. Any other public announcements? If not we’ll go onto visitor presentations.
VISITOR PRESENTATIONS.
Scharfenberg: I should state if it doesn’t have anything to do with something that’s on our
agenda because then we will have time for that as well. I’m sorry just…
Judy Stretar: It’s not on tonight’s agenda.
Scharfenberg: Okay. Step forward and please state your name and your address.
Judy Stretar: Judy Stretar, S-t-r-e-t-a-r, 6801 Manchester Drive, Chan. I’m a member of the
Woodridge Heights Homeowners Association Board. We did have an association, all association
meeting and we did vote on some of the issues with the new park and two items that have come
up and were voted on unanimously that we are against as an association is the port-a-potty and
the parking spots. At the very least they were wishing that the port-a-potty be placed down
below by the building as it comes in off of Lake Harrison Road so that it would be away from
homes. We did survey and go through 8 of the city parks and we did discover 2 of the
neighborhood parks that do not have port-a-potties so we know that not all parks do have port-a-
potties and we did discover 3 parks that did not have parking. Neighborhood parks and our park,
proposed park is going to be the smallest of the parks and it is a neighborhood park so we are
requesting that that be looked at further. Elimination of the port-a-potty or at least the moving of
the port-a-potty down below and perhaps the elimination of the parking spots. There was
concern of added traffic and then that would also create more of a party atmosphere with having
parking in that level.
Scharfenberg: Anybody have questions at all for.
Judy Stretar: Judy.
Scharfenberg: Judy you didn’t, with respect to, I’ll address the parking issue first…I think that
parking is something that’s going to have to stay given that’s, you’ve got that cul-de-sac. Port-a-
potty, Todd is that something that we can look at in terms of potentially moving that? I know it’s
not right next to the park…but is that something that could potentially be looked at?
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Hoffman: Chair, portable restrooms are at most every park and sometimes they’re there at
certain times of the seasons and not other times but when, as a city when we develop a public
park space where people are going to go visit with their families it makes some sense, depending
on how far these people travel and where they’re from to have access to a restroom facility so
that’s the reason they’re there. Last night the City Council did approve the Manchester Park plan
and they, Councilmember Ryan asked about the portable toilet. Moving it doesn’t make a lot of
sense because then you’re at the playground. You’re at the park where you’ve got the attraction
that you want. Then you’d have to walk down that long stairway. You wouldn’t even know it
was really there if it was out of sight. There was talk about screening and many neighborhoods
and many residents in our community talk about they would prefer screening and they prefer that
these portable restrooms were hid out of the way and that’s just not been the policy of the City of
Chanhassen to invest the dollars in screening. Typically you would need to build some kind of
enclosure and then once it’s built you’d need to maintain it and we’ve just not done that so most
of the portable toilets that you see in our parks, both our community and neighborhood parks are
simply going to be either in a parking lot or on the edge of a parking lot. That’s for a couple of
reasons. Visibility number one. From time to time these things are vandalized and if they’re
visible vandalism does not happen as likely. And then also just for cleaning so when you pull
that truck up you have to have access so you can’t put it in a location. It has to be reached by
you know let’s say a 14 foot hose. 12 foot hose to reach the portable restroom and clean it. So
as a commission you could choose not to put a portable restroom in if you want to see how that
goes. You know there’s a spot for one approved in a park plan that the commission recommends
that we not put one in we can certainly try that as well.
Judy Stretar: The South Lotus Lake Park where the swing sets and everything are, there is no
port-a-potty there. The port-a-potty is 2 blocks away where the tennis courts are and there’s no
sign that says if you need to go walk 2 miles through this parking lot around these townhouses or
down around on the sidewalk so we didn’t think it was unreasonable to move it to the end, or at
least try to move it down. Because it will be accessible by a truck so we’re hoping that you’ll
take that into consideration. At least put the port-a-potty down, at least try. If they said we could
try and put it down there.
Hoffman: South Lotus as a park has 2 portable restrooms. South Lotus is split into 3 quadrants.
The tennis courts, the playground and then the boat access so it has 2 already. Adding a third
just didn’t seem to be prudent in that case. At this location you don’t have a real attraction at the
bottom of the hill so that’s again the recommendation not to put it there. It was talked about, that
location was talked about at your, one of your public hearings as well with the neighborhood.
Judy Stretar: So we’re just asking for consideration of that. Thanks.
Scharfenberg: Thank you Judy.
Tsuchiya: Todd I have a question about that. If I remember the Manchester Park layout
correctly there were 2 or more designated handicap spots in that cul-de-sac, is that correct?
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Hoffman: Probably one. We should grab the plan.
Judy Stretar: It’s one.
Tsuchiya: Okay. Would there be any handicap parking down below at the water facility? The
water treatment facility.
Hoffman: I don’t know for sure. There likely will be one in that facility but I don’t recall what
the plan says right now.
Tsuchiya: The point of my question is, I’m just concerned for handicap visitors to the park
traversing, if they’re parking up above and traversing that whole way down to the port-a-potty if
they have to use it, then if maybe they park at the bottom instead. Just how can they access that.
Just where the handicap parking spaces are so that was just my question, thank you.
Audience: The port-a-potties that I’ve seen have not been handicap accessible.
Judy Stretar: None of them were that I saw at the parks.
Tsuchiya: Oh true they’re not necessarily the big ones I’m suggesting. I’m just you know
there’s different levels of handicap needs so a handicap individual using the parking spot could
still very well use a normal port-a-potty.
Hoffman: Correct.
Scharfenberg: Anybody else for visitor presentation?
Kathleen Leisman: Can I just ask a question?
Scharfenberg: You bet.
Kathleen Leisman: I’m in Woodbridge Heights also. I just have a question about the parking.
Scharfenberg: Can you state your name?
Kathleen Leisman: Kathleen Leisman and I’m on Manchester Drive so I just wanted to ask
about the parking because there’s not a lot of space there for parking and for turning around and
what’s the reason why we would need parking if it’s a neighborhood park?
Hoffman: So most parks have parking if it’s available. If it was, if there’s an opportunity to
develop when the park was built they have parking because people drive from distance to access
these parks and so our park service area is one half mile from the center of the park and so some
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families, some parents with children are going to choose to load up and drive to this location and
access the playground instead of walking so that’s the reason for the parking is accessible at
these neighborhood park locations. Most have it. Some do not because it just wasn’t built as a
part of the plan initially. Now a parking lot is a standard amenity in our park plans.
Kathleen Leisman: Because it will create more traffic for us, people on the street so I have
concerns about that. The traffic and the amount of cars turning around.
Scharfenberg: Thank you. Any other… I would note that Commissioner Kelly is now here as
well.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Hougham moved, Echternacht seconded to approve the
verbatim and summary Minutes for the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated
May 23, 2017 as presented.
RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ACCEPT DONATION OF BENCHES
FROM CHANHASSEN LIONS CLUB.
Hoffman: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg, members of the commission. Tonight we’re happy to
have back with us Glenn Kaufmann from the Chanhassen Lions Club and if you are following
the news we have that beautiful new lions fountain at Lake Ann Park and now as a second
installment to their project, their Centennial project celebrating their 100 years they’d like to put
some benches in so I’m going to read the proposed motion that you have before you tonight.
Allow Glenn to give background or some update to the project and then we’ll ask for any
questions from the commission prior to taking your vote. So tonight the proposed motion is that
the Park and Recreation Commission recommends that the City Council accept the donation of
five park benches from the Chanhassen Lions Club to be installed at Bandimere Community
Park. Glenn you want to give a little background?
Glenn Kaufmann: Sure. I’m Glenn Kaufmann, Chanhassen Lions. I live at 6870 Redwing
Lane. One quick side note, on your tour that you’ve got scheduled for August, I was also on the
Environmental Commission for 3 years and that’s a great tour if you haven’t had a chance to take
it. Highly recommend it. So as Todd alluded to this is Lions Club International’s hundredth
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year in business. It’s our 29 year here in Chanhassen so we want to do some nice things for the
city as a way to kind of recognize the 100 years with the Lions Club. Our first part was the
fountain which has been installed and got some great press last week so if you have a chance go
take a look at it. The second part that we have talked about for probably the last year or so was
to install some park benches. We’ve decided to, talking to Todd to go with Bandimere. It’s a
little cheaper for us to put them all in one location versus pay a concrete guy to go to 5 different
spots throughout the city. That’s kind of why we focused on one area. I believe you guys have
some pictures of what the benches look like. Three of the benches will say Chan Lions on them.
We decided to go with a color scheme, working with Todd of blue, yellow, blue, yellow, blue.
Pretty simple. I believe the picture kind of illustrates where we’re looking at putting them in.
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The pads we built to spec we received from the City. We do have some bids from a concrete
gentleman. We will hand dig and Bobcat as necessary and I’m trying to think what else we
could add to that. We’re hoping if everything goes as planned to have them installed by the first
of September so we would have them in by the end of the summer. I think that’s the high points.
Scharfenberg: Anybody have any questions of Glenn?
Hougham: Glenn it looks like there’s a few different options here. Do you know which one
we’d go with? The in-ground, the surface mount or…?
Glenn Kaufmann: So they are going to be surface mounted.
Hougham: Okay.
Glenn Kaufmann: Right to the concrete.
Hougham: Okay so we’d put concrete down and then put them.
Glenn Kaufmann: Yep. Yep we’ll have pads to spec, you bet.
Hougham: Great.
Scharfenberg: Any other questions for Glenn? Glenn I think that this is a wonderful idea and we
are thankful for the Lions Club and all that they do for city of Chanhassen and the water fountain
and I think these benches will be a wonderful addition. With that would somebody like to make
a motion please?
Kelly: I’ll make a motion that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends that the City
Council accept the donation of five park benches from the Chanhassen Lions Club to be installed
at Bandimere Community Park.
Scharfenberg: We have a motion from Commissioner Kelly. Do we have a second?
Echternacht: I’ll second it.
Scharfenberg: Second from Commissioner Echternacht.
Kelly moved, Echternacht seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommends that the City Council accept the donation of five park benches from the
Chanhassen Lions Club to be installed at Bandimere Community Park. All voted in favor
and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 8 to 0.
Glenn Kaufmann: Thanks everybody. Appreciate it.
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RECOMMENDATION REGARDING PUBLIC SWIMMING BEACH ORDINANCE.
Ruegemer: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg, good evening commissioners. Just wanted to go
through tonight the recommendation regarding our public swimming beaches out at the various
locations that we have in Chanhassen. The proposed motion tonight is that the Park and
Recreation Commission recommend that the City Council approve the Public Swimming Beach
Ordinance information for Chapter 14 in the Park and Recreation section of the City Code and
that’s, we’ll go through the items here in a second here. I just wanted to make one friendly
amendment and we’ll go through that here as item (m). I’d like to recommend the ordinance is
to include no tobacco use in designated beach areas. So a little background of this. Just really
the purpose of the recommendation is to amend Chapter 14 of the Park and Recreation
Commission section of the Chanhassen City Council. That specifically really relates to Park and
Recreation Commission kind of what we do. It covers public gathering permits, camping, water
pollution, pets, animals, type of things as it relates to people using our park system. Currently
Chapter 14 was void of a public swimming beach section and I believe that clarification is
needed to better serve our Chanhassen community. So listed below are items that staff is
recommending be included in part of that update. So as we look at Section 14-70 related to our
City Council. Number 1, no person shall swim or enter a body of water in an area posted closed
to swimming. No person shall allow a dog or other pet to enter the water with swimmers except
service animals as governed by the Americans with Disabilities Act. No person shall enter the
designated swimming area before 6:00 a.m. or after 10:00 p.m. which is corresponding to our
park hours. Item (d). No person shall possess glass containers of any kind except eye glasses in
designated beach area. (e). No person shall use an air mattress, inner tube or other floatation
device that is not approved by the Coast Guard. (f). No person shall intentionally expose his or
her genitals, public area, buttocks, female breast below the top of the areola with less than fully
opaque covering while wading, swimming or using any beach or other areas within a park. (g).
No person shall fish in any area designated for swimming. (h). No person shall fly any aircraft
over a designated swimming beach at such a low altitude as to interfere with the use of then use
of wading, swimming or other recreational use except when approval was granted for said use.
(i). No person shall start or maintain a fire in any designated public swimming beach. (j). No
person shall throw sand, mud, rocks or other dangerous objects on the beach and designated
swimming area. (k). No person shall use threatening, profane, abusive, disorderly, insulting or
indecent language or commit any act which is a breach of the public peace. (l). The City of
Chanhassen shall have the authority to prohibit the use of such equipment deemed dangerous to
persons engaged in swimming or wading. And the amendment would be number (m). No
person shall use tobacco in designated swimming beach. So staff’s recommendation is that the
Park and Recreation Commission recommend that the City Council approve the Public
Swimming Beach Ordinance as listed. The new provisions will be updated in Chapter 14 of the
Park and Recreation Section of the City Code.
Scharfenberg: Any questions for Jerry?
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Kelly: Yeah I’ve got a number of questions actually. I’m looking at first (a) and (c) and I’m
trying to figure out what our legal rights are as far as telling people what they can and can’t do in
the water. And when you have a beach that’s owned by the City or any individual you have
what’s called riparian rights which means you can put out docks and you can put out, I think
you’ve got buoys up for the swimming area, that type of thing. So you have the right to do that
but I’m not sure and I don’t know if you’ve talked to the City lawyer or not but there’s what’s
called littoral rights and I couldn’t find much on the internet about what they are and I’m not sure
what we can and can’t do as far as telling people what they can and can’t do in the water. So it
makes me nervous when you start posting things that people can’t do when it’s not a legal thing
and I’m not sure and I couldn’t find. I mean I looked up Minnesota public beaches. I looked up
various city beaches and I couldn’t find any laws. There’s nobody posting any laws on what you
can and can’t do. And number (c), isn’t that what time the park are open? So it’s kind of being
redundant in a way.
Ruegemer: Well it’s basically when the hours of operation when the park isn’t open that you
can’t swim after 10:00 or before 6:00.
Kelly: Right but they’re not supposed to be in the park anyways.
Ruegemer: Correct.
Kelly: So to me that’s being redundant. Just a few thoughts to think about. Number (e) I’m
completely opposed to. Like when I swim I swim with noodles once in a while and they’re not
Coast Guard approved. What if people are taking their small kids with them and want to put the
water wings on which will not be Coat Guard approved. I don’t think most inner tubes are Coast
Guard approved and I don’t think, I don’t see what problems they cause. If we can delete (e) I
can support 14-70. If we don’t delete (e) I can’t support it. Those are my comments and
questions.
Scharfenberg: Anybody else?
Tsuchiya: I had a question on (h). What’s the definition of aircraft in this situation? I’m
wondering specifically does it include drones.
Ruegemer: Well that was yeah, that was I think kind of the intention of that. I mean obviously a
Piper Cub isn’t probably going to be flying through the area of the beach but I think the intention
of (h) was drones for that.
Tsuchiya: Okay. Yeah and then the last part of that section, except when approval was granted.
Approval from whom?
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Ruegemer: Well that would be special use potentially for a special event. For fireworks or for
other types of things that may be allowed by the City in some way for the event.
Tsuchiya: Okay so someone would need to apply to the appropriate department here correct?
Ruegemer: Correct.
Hoffman: Current property owner is currently the City.
Tsuchiya: Alright. And then also on the proposed addition of section (m). Tobacco use, I’m not
maybe Todd you can enlighten me. I’m not sure what the City has in place at this point
regarding vaping but would that also be included in this section as prohibited in the area?
Hoffman: You would probably have to specify it. There’s no, currently there’s no rules. You
can use anything, tobacco anywhere in the city parks so.
Tsuchiya: Yeah and I realize that public policy but just city but county and state is still
developing in the area but I’m just wondering if it’s something, I don’t know. Anybody else
have thoughts on it?
Hoffman: You would want to add it. Same thing when it says aircraft, you could say including
drones just to make it clear.
Tsuchiya: Unmanned or whatever the official designation is for drones. Unmanned aerial
vehicles, UAV’s I think. That’s all I have.
Scharfenberg: Okay. Anybody else? I just had a question relative to context that this is coming
before the commission. Is this something that staff thought was necessary to be taken care of? If
you could speak to that issue please.
Ruegemer: Chair Scharfenberg, yeah. You know just kind of through the course of time we’ve
experienced or encountered some actions down at the public swimming beach itself at Lake Ann
that really kind of precipitated that the conversation to kind of clean this up. We’ve had some
people fishing within a designated swimming beach area and when asked to refrain from that
activity there really wasn’t any compliance to that so we really just kind of wanted to kind of
clean up this and kind of get it a little bit more concrete so we could make sure that we have a
safe designated swimming beach area for that intended use for swimming and not fishing.
Scharfenberg: Okay. And with respect to the floatation issue that Commissioner Kelly raised,
I’m assuming that the policy has been to date that children can use water wings and things of that
nature? They can’t. No floatation. Is there then are there signs up to that effect and will we
have to redo signage if this would be passed?
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Ruegemer: Yeah that has been kind of a standard that we’ve been using with the lifeguards
down there that it has to be Coast Guard approved and really the intention behind that Coast
Guard approved is, is a lot of times people kind of get that false sense of security when you have
the water wings or other types of floatation devices, I think there is a false sense of security.
Parents, guardians, nannies take their eyes off the children sometimes because they think hey
they’ve got a floatation device. Next thing you know they’re upside down and really you know
that’s a pretty standard I guess policy across the board and I’m kind of going by what our
lifeguards conversations that we have as well because there are, there has been times where you
know people get into trouble with that.
Hoffman: But what the policy’s about, what (e) is about is so a child that cannot swim, fully
swim does not grab ahold of a device that’s not Coast Guard approved, that’s not attached to
them. Gets into too deep of water. Falls off of that device and drowns. That’s what that rule is
about.
Scharfenberg: I guess I’m curious any other commissioners thoughts on the floatation issue.
Hougham: We’ve been using Lake Ann for the past few years now and I guess the first time we
went there we had our, I don’t know probably our noodles and our inner tube and they called us
out, no. You can’t take those out there and we, you know the first time we were kind of
confused but after that it’s never been an issue and I’ve seen them call, they call out everybody.
It’s not like some people use them and some people don’t. If they see somebody go in the
lifeguards are always there to enforce that and I don’t think it takes away from the kids. There
are plenty of Coast Guard approved floaty things out there that most of the kids have today.
Kind of like the breast band with the arm things, those are Coast Guard approved and I see most
kids have those at the beach. So no, no concern.
Echternacht: As far as the throwing sand, throwing rocks and so on… I don’t know where we
draw the line.
Hoffman: This is for the older kids. No toddlers arrested for tossing sand.
Scharfenberg: Any other discussion? Would anyone like to make a motion?
Hougham: I would like to make a motion that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommends to the City Council to approve the Public Swimming Beach Ordinance information
for Chapter 14 in the Park and Recreation section of the City Code with the updates to (h) to
include UAD’s in the description and with the approval of (m), no tobacco, vaping use in
designated beach areas.
Scharfenberg: And just to clarify for the record, UAD stands for?
Tsuchiya: UAV.
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Scharfenberg: UAV.
Hougham: UAV.
Tsuchiya: Yeah Unmanned Aerial Vehicle. I believe that’s the correct designation.
Hougham: UAV or drone, whichever wording we call it.
Tsuchiya: Yes, commonly known as drones.
Hougham: Yes.
Scharfenberg: Alright we have a proposed motion from Commissioner Hougham. Do we have a
second?
Petouvis: I’ll second.
Scharfenberg: A second from Commissioner Petouvis.
Hougham moved, Petouvis seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommends the City Council approve the Public Swimming Beach Ordinance information
for Chapter 14 in the Park and Recreation section of the City Code with amendments to (h)
including UAV’s and (m) including vaping. All voted in favor, except Commissioner Kelly
who abstained, and the motion carried with a vote of 7 in favor and 1 abstention.
Scharfenberg: The motion passes.
Hoffman: Thank you.
INITIATE DISCUSSION REGARDING RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL,
2018-2022 PARK AND TRAIL ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (CIP).
Hoffman: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg and members of the commission. Tonight is the start
of this discussion so annually you develop a CIP. A capital improvement program for the City
Council to consider as a part of their budget process. So you’ll have tonight to start your
conversation. July and August to finish it and then make a recommendation in August to the
City Council. So we’re always looking 5 years out but typically we’re focusing on that next year
and so things get moved around. Prices go up or down. The budgets aren’t specifically locked
in until that year you’re in and then next year you’re focusing on what you want to do in 2018
specifically and then those 2019, 2020 are things that are, I would say would be priorities.
Sometimes they don’t happen. Sometimes they get moved back or kind of bumped forward but
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anyway this guiding tool…as a budgeting tool for the commission. So you had a facility tour
and you toured some of the future capital project locations. Bandimere sport courts. The Fox
Woods trail. Some of the projects at Lake Ann. The current balance in the park dedication fund
is $1,447,000. That is down just about $424,000 from last year’s balance at this time. The fund
is still financially solid. You saw there’s another 50 some thousand that’s still coming in and
there’s probably some other projects that will bring some additional cash in but those just aren’t
in the door as of yet. But you also are investing heavily I would say in parks and recreation in
our community. Bandimere Park land acquisition. Bandimere Park expansion. Roundhouse.
There’s a lot of projects going on and then we’ll be talking about another one tonight the Fox
Woods trail addition which…investing a lot of money. We also have some other ones to add
over time so just north of Fox Woods is Arbor Glen. The Arbor Glen housing subdivision. That
will also include a trail connection which is currently not budgeted in your CIP. We have an
Arboretum trail in 2019. We have to take a look at, we don’t know what our local allocation will
be but in 2019 when Carver County builds that trail out near Life Time Fitness and the
Arboretum we will have a local share. We don’t know what it is just yet but that’s, those are
dollars that we know are going to be coming up. General tax levy dollars are also used for some
projects. For example at ’04-’05 there was a half a million dollar worth of new playgrounds
installed that replaced old and outdated equipment using general fund tax dollars. And then
more recently from 2014 to 2018 13 new neighborhood park shelters are going to be constructed
using, utilizing another half a million dollars in general fund surplus dollars so the park fund is
the primary funding source. That’s the message here but there are other funding sources from
time to time that either you recommend the City Council take a look at or they allocate towards
parks and recreation facilities.
Scharfenberg: Todd would you, or could you speak to since we have some new commissioners
here that haven’t necessarily been through this process, could you just briefly give a little
overview between the difference between our CIP and capital replacement and how that works.
Hoffman: I can. So our CIP is generally for all new, either new acquisitions or new
developments and so the financing by park dedication funds is per state statute so when a new
development comes to town, an apartment building, a housing subdivision, a new local industrial
building or a restaurant or a, some kind of downtown business, they’re going to pay a park
dedication charge. The thought there is that they’re increasing the demand for local parks and
recreation services in your community and this is like a user fee or an entry fee. It’s a park
dedication fee so they’re going to pay into a fund which then is utilized by the community to
invest in parks and recreation to account for that increased demand. When you move new people
and new businesses here there’s an increased demand. The thought is we don’t want to put the
burden on the existing taxpayers to pay for those new people’s parks and recreation services in
our community. So funds are deposited into that account and they’re invested for new
acquisition. If you want to repair something or replace it, that’s not the fund that you can use.
That’s not the intended source of revenue for that. If you want to replace a park system, a swing
set, a playground or repair it you need to find another funding source and so typically that’s our,
just our general tax levy and so that’s the general tax levy which finances parks maintenance, the
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operations. The Lake Ann operations. Those are two different funding sources and as a
community with our park system master plan that’s where we’re at. So we’re 30 to, you know
over 30 to 50 years strong in our park system. It started 50 years ago. Most of it was built about
30 years ago. 20 to 30 years ago is when the biggest impact was and those facilities are now
starting to age and so we need to focus on how are we going to replace all those aging pieces of
infrastructure as we move forward so that’s going to be a bigger piece of the pie as we moving
forward.
Scharfenberg: And Todd you’ve provided us with a couple of handouts tonight. Could you just
give us.
Kelly: I provided those actually Steve.
Scharfenberg: Oh, oh I’m sorry. Thank you Cole. Cole why don’t you kind of highlight those
and what they represent.
Kelly: Yeah so basically I went through and I broke out the numbers on kind of a pro forma
statement by year and I used Todd’s revenue figures of $200,000 each year, which I’m assuming
will probably be a bit light. I’m guess that it should be closer to $300,000 or more but I used the
figures Todd gave us and I broke it down each year and then I put the expenses of each year and
it gave you a running total of each of the expenses and then gave you a fund balance on the far
right hand side. I also assumed, and I’m not sure if we have to or not, that we probably have to
approve the Fox Woods addition so I put the additional money of $368,350 into the statement.
Then I also just listed the expenditures with the years across the top. Fund expenditures because
it’s easier to look at and figure out where we’re going to move things around if we’re going to
move things around. And I’m assuming what I’ve got highlighted on mine, or starred is the only
things we can really play with are the Bandimere sport court, the Chanhassen nature trail, the
Bandimere community park picnic shelter and the Rec Center fence, dugouts and backstops. I
believe everything else is pretty much in stone but we can figure that out from Todd tonight.
Scharfenberg: Okay.
Kelly: But I thought it’d be a good place to start discussions. It’s a little easier to see it this way
than on multiple pages.
Scharfenberg: Thank you for doing that.
Kelly: You’re welcome.
Scharfenberg: Anybody have any questions?
Kelly: I do for Todd. So the expenditures page that I created.
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Hoffman: Yes.
Kelly: I see that to me the only things we can move around are the 4 that I stated before. Are
you in agreement with that? If we need to move them from one to another. Everything else is
pretty much set in stone. Obviously 2017 is set in stone but Manchester’s been approved. The
Arboretum trail is approved. And then I don’t see that the others are, haven’t been formally
approved so we could cut back and then move them around, etcetera.
Hoffman: Bandimere sport court. Chanhassen nature trail final, is that one of them?
Kelly: Right, picnic shelter and then the dugouts and backstops, those are the only 4 that I see
that we have, that we can do anything with if we decide to do something or not.
Hoffman: That’s correct as far as deletions, yes.
Kelly: Thank you.
Hoffman: Or adjustments. You could adjust the budget if it was appropriate up or down.
Scharfenberg: The one thing that I would add kind of in with the items that Commissioner Kelly
has put together is one of the items that we looked at the other night on our tour which was the
Lake Ann parking lot and potentially adding that in somewhere. And that was a figure of what,
$150,000. Between $140,000 and $150,000. Yeah.
Hoffman: And commissioners anything could be added.
Scharfenberg: Right.
Hoffman: If you have $10,000, $15,000 dollar items you want to do those can be added. This is
your document to create and to then pass onto the City Council so appreciate Commissioner
Kelly putting this document together. As we move forward in your agenda and you talk about
the Fox Woods trail, we are in a development contract with that developer and we’ll talk about
you know what the increase was in that trail construction project so as a development contract
just like we’re, they’re obligated to fulfill what they’ve said they’ll, they’re going to do in their
development. We’re obligated to fulfill our’s unless we renegotiate that development contract
with, which is Gonyea Homes. We also have a responsibility to provide access to those
neighbors through that pedestrian underpass. It’s the top thing that came out of our park system
master plan so far out in the community input that we received. Trails and then pedestrian, safe
pedestrian underpasses were top ranking. So that’s going to be an obligation we have to take a
look at and I’ll explain that later as we move into item, the next item under H-1. So to account
for those dollars that you’re going to invest at Foxwoods, the most likely are going to go after is
the Bandimere picnic shelter and bathrooms and allow that to just remain in the park system
master plan. There’s a long list coming so I think your list that is coming out of that is, you
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know it’s up to $80 million over the next 20 years and so $640,000 in an $80 million 20 year CIP
is a big number but $80 million is bigger and you’ll be seeing that document in your park system
master plan in July for the draft and then you’ll be doing the same thing there. You’ll be adding,
deleting, changing and then you’ll see it for final approval in August and so you’d be making a
recommendation in August to the City Council final approval of that so the Bandimere shelter is
in that document as well.
Scharfenberg: And just historically for the other commissioners that are new how this kind of
process works with the CIP is that we’re not obligated to make any decisions tonight regarding
that but we have to do it by August so that we get it to the City Council for their approval in
September, correct?
Hoffman: Correct.
Scharfenberg: So what we’ve generally done is had a discussion at usually in the June meeting
about some of these items and talk them through and then come back and really go at it hard in
July putting together kind of what we want to do so I’ll just kind of throw that out. If anybody
has any other questions for Todd or wants to talk about any of these items we can certainly do
that tonight but then would look to be moving on and talking about this in July.
Hougham: Okay, yeah just one other question. Todd for the things that we need to update like
we have some playgrounds that need updating right now that won’t come out of the CIP but do
we present that to the City Council at the same time or is that just completely separate topic?
Hoffman: No you would want to do that so we’re kind of in that inbetween area so you would
want to, if you had one specifically that you want to get replaced you’d want to bring that up
now. The replacement, the park maintenance replacement plan is going to be a document that is
all filled out. Every playground. Every piece of infrastructure that we currently have in our park
system master plan is going to be costed out. When it was installed. When it should be replaced
and that will be presented at the City Council. There’s no funding source for that right now but
there’s no funding source if you say I want to replace this playground next year, let’s recommend
that be replaced that would have to be a funding source identified to that as well.
Hougham: When is that getting presented? The playground replacement.
Hoffman: Well you’ll see it in August. They’ll see it in September or October. They have not
set their agenda yet when they’re going to receive it.
Hougham: Okay. Thanks.
Hoffman: But you can do either or.
Hougham: We can probably wait.
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Scharfenberg: Any other questions or comments?
Kelly: Well I think we need to figure out anything else that might be added we’ll need to know
by the next meeting. If somebody wants to add because we have to figure out what might be
added and where we’re going to add it and we’re going to be jumbling a few this is my guess.
And then if we can also at the next meeting get an update on what the revenues are at this point
for 2017 that might be helpful too. So those are my comments, thank you.
Scharfenberg: Okay.
Echternacht: And I had a question as far as the Arboretum underpass. That’s just basically a
place holder, the $140,000 right now is that correct?
Hoffman: Correct.
Echternacht: Because we have no idea what that’s going to be.
Hoffman: Likely will be higher.
Scharfenberg: And we don’t know when it’s going to be correct?
Hoffman: No. Again that project’s not been designed or costed out. These are just estimates
and a place holder. 2019 is the start date for that funding cycle and for that project.
Kelly: I believe that’s when the grant comes through on that project so that’s, so we know it’s
going to happen.
Hoffman: Correct.
Kelly: Thank you.
Petouvis: So Todd I’d like to ask a little bit more about the revenue stream. Watching the park
dedication fund die, will it empty eventually? Will there no longer be a park dedication fund or,
I mean obviously we’re getting very perilously close to empty.
Hoffman: Correct, some day it will. It’s just a matter of timing and so there’s likely another $15
to $20 million dollars in revenue. It might be slightly more than that depending on each
development that comes in it’s decided at that time how dense it will be. What type it will be.
Will it be housing and so there’s still considerable dollars yet to be generated in the park
dedication fund but it’s just a matter of timing when all that development comes in. The last
largest year was about 5 or 6 years ago did over $2 million dollars in revenues and so it’s a
timing situation. When the economy’s down or projects aren’t coming in. The other thing to
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remember is that it has to be a subdivision and so there are properties, significant properties in
town that a subdivision does not occur. One example is Aldi and the Venue in downtown
Chanhassen so there’s no subdivision there so those housing units will not pay a park dedication
charge if it’s approved in our community. Other ones Audubon Motorplex, that large facility
there was no subdivision and so no park dedication fees were collected. The child care center
out on Highway 5, the new child care center, no subdivision there so there are parcels do not
have to subdivide. The only way to capture that dollar amount is if they subdivide. Then you
have the legal ability to go in there and start the development contract process. They get
something from the City. You get something from them but that only occurs with a subdivision.
So we’re not broke yet. Someday we will be and many communities have gone through this
cycle. You’re not alone. I mean it typically started from the St. Louis Park built their systems
up with park dedication dollars. They probably have very little left to come in and so they’re
into a replacement program through general tax levies or some other financing source. You
know some cities use other avenues for replacement. Liquor store revenues. Some use PEG fees
for utilities or utility fees and so there’s other sources but something has to be identified into the
future to replace those current pieces of equipment. Structures, shingles, buildings, fences, that
you all have in place, someday they’re going to wear out and you’re going to have to replace
them.
Petouvis: So we would want to have everything new that we want to build built before the fund
dries up then.
Hoffman: That’s the hope. That’s the hope. Probably will not occur. You’re going to want to
have your priorities built.
Petouvis: Okay, thank you.
Hoffman: You’re welcome.
Scharfenberg: Does anybody else have, as Commissioner Kelly kind of asked, anybody else
have any potential items other than the parking lot that they would potentially like to see placed
into the CIP? It does not mean that we can’t do it you know between now and July and if you
would ever come up with something that you’ve thought about after tonight you know just email
us or email the commission and say oh I forgot about this one and I would like to have this added
in.
Petouvis: Where does the Lake Ann expansion you know around the lake fit into things?
Scharfenberg: You know we wouldn’t, I would say that we wouldn’t put a place holder on
something like that just because it’s an unknown. Whenever that happens we’ll have to have the
money available and sometimes we amend, as we’re going to end up doing potentially with the
Foxwood so if there’s money available and things come up that we would want to do that and
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become available we would first of all have to have the money there to do that but it would be
something that would be dealt with as that comes up.
Petouvis: Okay. Is there any rough guess of the financial aspect of that Lake Ann Park
expansion?
Hoffman: Sure. There’s a study I can send out to you so a couple of comments on that Chair
Scharfenberg and commission members. So staff keeps a running list from citizen input, citizen
inquiry, you know what’s going on with the pulse of the community so we’ll present that list to
you. Potential items that you could be considering at least for prioritization. Lake Ann it would
be a study so it would be a study to take a look okay what is this going to take? How much, how
many dollars? How many acres? How large is this going to be? And it’s just too complicated at
this point going forward. It will likely be a combination of land dedication and so you can take
10 percent of a subdivision so if the subdivision is 200 acres you can capture 20 acres. Then also
there’s other tools to be utilized. Density transfer. Wetlands obviously are not included in that
whole process and so, and then just you know how willing is the individual that’s working on the
particular project willing to negotiate. And if the property, if these properties are purchased by a
single buyer in the future and not subdivided then there is no process other than to go out and
buy it for cash. A cash purchase so, lots of big numbers. $5 million dollars would not be out of
the, it could be higher than that.
Scharfenberg: And I think Todd you spoke of at one time on our tour that maybe that study that
you talked about, a cost of $30,000 to $40,000 potentially that you would have to put into the
CIP at some point.
Hoffman: Correct.
Scharfenberg: We wouldn’t necessarily do that at this time.
Hoffman: You don’t have to. It’s up to you. Up to, you know again Lake Ann ranked very high
with your citizen survey and so where you don’t want to be is behind the equation if something
happens out on that property. You want to be ahead of that process. We have the study which
I’ll send out again to the commission from I believe it was ’08. We took a look at the acreage
and density and so we have some really good background data on what you know scenario
number 1 takes this much land. Scenario number 2 takes this much. If you take scenario 3
which takes the most, how many houses do you have to put on the other property so you can just
make an equal transfer so you can do that and the concept behind all of this is, the area between
Lake Ann, Lake Lucy and the wetland is just really a beautiful piece of property and gaining
access to it with roads and houses is going to be very difficult and expensive. However it would
be very desirable so depending on the developer you get, somebody might say you know what? I
really don’t like your plan. I want my plan. I’m going to push, try to push a road out there and
then you’re going to be into a situation where you know it’s going to be a little bit more conflict.
If you have a developer that says I understand completely. I want to build all these houses up
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against Galpin and I want all of them to have access to that beautiful area. Let’s take the density
out that could be built in there and build it over here. Preserve that so all these homes have
access to it, then you’re going to be, you know it’s going to be much easier for the community to
negotiate that. Probably going to be somewhere inbetween but just the layout of the land, how
it’s separated via the wetland. That large wetland complex that runs north and south there, it’s
pretty easy to see the plan if you take a look at it.
Scharfenberg: Go ahead.
Hougham: Yeah sorry. Another piece we had talked about adding, and I know we’re going to
get the park system master plan here in July but another thing that ranked high from the survey
results was the Rec Center so we had talked about the Rec Center study. Since we had such a
heavy year this year we discussed we need just going lighter and doing studies next year in order
for our future plans. So depending on what we get in July I would probably like to see that on
there.
Scharfenberg: Okay.
Hougham: And Lake Ann.
Scharfenberg: Alright, anybody else? Okay, at this point we’ll move onto the next item.
Again I would thank Commissioner Kelly for putting together the two handouts. It was very
helpful and we will tackle the CIP next month in July. Alright moving onto old business.
FOXWOOD ADDITION GREAT PLAINS BOULEVARD (HWY 101) TRAIL
CONNECTION BUDGET AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATION.
Hoffman: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg, members of the commission. Tonight we’re going to
talk about the Foxwood Addition. Great Plains Boulevard or Highway 101 trail connection
budget amendment recommendation. The proposed motion this evening is that the Park and
Recreation Commission recommends that the City Council amend the Foxwood Addition
Highway 101 trail reimbursement CIP budget from $400,000 to $805,350 utilizing two funding
sources. $768,350 from the park dedication fund and $38,350 from the water utility fund. The
water utility fund would pay for the relocation of the water line, the watermain in that location.
So some brief background. I’m not going to go through all of it but I want to at least start with
some background. In 2016 the final plat for Foxwood was approved and it included a variety of
park and trail conditions of approval, all of which you would have reviewed here in this room
and recommended to City Council be approved as a part of the development contract. So you
did collect full park dedication fees as a part of the development. You received a variety of lands
as a part of the development and then also you start with (d). So planning and engineering and
construction of a planned 10 foot wide Highway 101 trail connection between the trail terminus
at Bandimere Park pedestrian underpass and the northern terminus of the plat adjacent to and
along Highway 101. So what that says is that the developer is going to plan it, engineer it and
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construct it. It’s going to go from the northern terminus which is the connection with Arbor
Glen. The future Arbor Glen and then it’s going to go south to the box culvert underneath
Highway 101 leading to Bandimere. The next one dealing with that we’re talking about tonight
is (g). For those sections of Highway 101 trail situated north and south of their property
boundaries the developer shall be reimbursed by the City of Chanhassen for the full cost of
planning, engineering, construction of planned 10 foot wide Highway 101 trail connection
between the current terminus at Bandimere Park pedestrian underpass and the northern terminus
of the plat along Highway 101. And then (h). For the section of the trail located within or
adjacent to the developer’s project boundary, the applicant shall be reimbursed by the City only
for the cost of aggregate, trail surfacing, retaining walls, stormwater systems utilized to construct
the trail. This reimbursement shall be made upon completion and acceptance of the trail.
Receipt of an invoice documenting the actual cost for construction materials noted. Labor,
installation of the trail surface and the engineering and testing for components of the developer’s
section are not reimbursable expenses. What we’ve always said with all of our developers is that
you have a responsibility to build these sections of trail that are on our comp plan when they lie
within or near your subdivision. What we’ve also said is that we believe it’s fair that if it’s in
your subdivision you should grade it. You should design it. You should make it all part of your
development so when your contractors are in there they can build it but we don’t think it’s fair to
make you pay for the materials for this trail that’s going to be used by the full community so you
design it. You build it but we’ll pay for the materials. The asphalt. The rock. Retaining walls.
Water structures and developers like that. You know some cities say you’re going to do it all.
Our City Attorney does not believe that’s defensible and so we have not gone that way. But then
we also lean on these developers and we say…we just have to get from the end of your plat
down to the box culvert. That’s not your property. That’s somebody else’s property. It’s State
right-of-way. We have to deal with how we get there through some easements but then we’d like
you to build that as a part of your subdivision since you’re right there anyway and for that we’ll
pay for all the costs. We’ll pay for engineering. You need to bid it out. Get competitive bids.
Present those to the City. If we agree with those bids we’ll go ahead and have you build that
construct that trail so that process has been used many times successfully in our community to
build all of these trails that we have in our existing subdivisions throughout our community. The
last most recent one was Camden Ridge. If you’re familiar with Camden Ridge there’s some
beautiful trails in the back of the lot lines. That extend the lowest, or the more southerly piece of
the Bluff Creek trail and they’re always like great. I’m going to build it. You’re going to pay
me for some material costs. All of our residents have access to that beautiful trail system so
they’re all in favor with that. So that’s how we got to where we’re at. Foxwood LLC, the
developer which is Gonyea. The developer paid $266,800 in park fees at the time the Foxwood
plat was recorded. They didn’t have any problem paying those fees because they knew they
were going to be reinvested immediately in that trail for their homes and the residents to gain
access to these, to the park. 2017 to 2021 your capital improvement program included $400,000
in 2017 for Project PK&T 134 and then the developer’s responsible to build the trail. The
$400,000 is selected, it’s not an estimate based on the design. It’s an estimate based on a
concept and so this concept is trail from Point A to Point B. We typically know, you know
generally what these kind of trail sections cost. We just did one across the street over at
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Bandimere and the $400,000 number was selected and initially we were affirmed that that was a
good number through their first estimate. The first engineer’s estimate. Later, and we’ll talk
about why, that number doubled and so it’s unfortunate but again there was no construction set
of plans developed to base that $400,000 cost figure on and so most times we’re fairly close and
this time granted we are not. The actual cost of construction is double and we don’t have a lot of
leeway. I’ll give you another example of where we have leeway. So sometimes we develop
parks, most recently or just a little while ago Pioneer Pass Park. And so we had a budget. This
commission, staff set a budget. The council approved it and then we costed out Pioneer Pass
Park as developer installed. They have a contractor come in and install it and it was twice the
budget that we had set in place and we said you know we can accomplish that. We’ll just
general it ourselves and so we’ll do it in-house. We’ll hire the contractors independently and we
cut that project in half. We don’t have the ability to do that in this case. These are specialized
walls and construction that need to go in and so we don’t have the ability as a parks and
recreation director I can’t say you know what commission, we have another way to build this
thing cheaper. Let’s do it in-house. Let’s make it happen. Let’s get this cost down. That’s just
not an option and if it was we would be bringing it back to you. So again the engineer’s estimate
was delivered totaling $310,552. That obviously did not come true. There’s other things that
we want to talk about. There’s been a lot of work put into permitting. Easement acquisition.
This project is staged and ready to go without, just without the budget and so we need to get this
budget approved if the park commission wants to, the Park and Recreation Commission wants to
recommend to the City Council that we do this. If we don’t get this budget approved our permits
are going to start to wane. They’re going to stop later on this construction season in November,
December and we’re going to have to go through this whole process again at a later time so
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timing is critical as we move through this. On March 14 the City received approval from the
Minnesota Department of Health for the relocation of the water line currently in place to
accommodate construction of retaining walls and pedestrian trail. That’s the water pipe that’s
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being paid for by the $38,350 from the water utility fund. On April 10, this past spring the City
received a permanent easement for trail purposes, temporary easement for trail construction and
an agreement and release of claims to amend the final certificate as to Parcel 4/Blanski to correct
legal description of property acquired previously from David and Mary Blanski. We paid for
that easement and that whole process was about 10 months to negotiate with Mr. Blanski. Very
extensive process. Lots of meetings. Appraisals. Our attorney. Their attorney and so that took
a good amount of time and basically just north of the pedestrian underpass we’re onto Mr.
Blanski’s property, both for a permanent and a temporary trail easement and he doesn’t have to
give that. The Blanski’s don’t have to grant that. We negotiated with them and he recognized
that you know I live on a highway. It’s probably going to happen. I want to help the City. I
want to be compensated fairly and so we worked through that whole process. That was then
approved by the City Council and that check has been paid. We now have that easement in hand
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to construct this trail. On April 20 the City received permit approval from the Riley-Purgatory-
Bluff Creek watershed district to construct the 350 feet of trail in the right-of-way about right at
that location. The trail construction requires site grading, relocation of segment of watermain,
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constructing 2 retaining walls and site restoration. On May 25 the City received permit
approval from the Minnesota Department of Transportation to excavate, grade, construct
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retaining walls, and a 10 foot wide pedestrian trail within the state right-of-way at this location.
So that approval is really telling because when we get into the final installation of my
presentation tonight that’s where a lot of the cost came in so when MnDOT does their approval
we submitted a wall which was not MnDOT approved. Much lower cost wall. They said no.
You’re in our right-of-way. You need to build it per MnDOT specifications and that increases
cost significantly. Mark Rausch who was the engineer for Alliant, this cost was so significant he
actually approached me to see if I would go back and work with Mr. Blanski again to gain more
property so we could move this wall out of MnDOT right-of-way into Mr. Blanski’s property so
we would save $50,000 or $60,000 on MnDOT specified walls. We would pay Mr. Blanski
another $20,000 or $30,000 for easements. I was just not willing to do that. Mr. Blanski and
Mrs. Blanski were very you know willing to work with us for the first 10 months and it was an
emotional process for them as property owners and I don’t think it’s in the City’s best interest or
their best interest to go back and try to do that again. It saved some money on the MnDOT wall
but you’re going to spend some money additional so for $10,000 or $15,000 to try to do that is
just not worth our time and effort and it’s not worth their hardship. The other thing is now
throughout this whole process we’ve lost an area to take dirt to and so Foxwood’s housing is
pretty much set in stone so the timing does not allow us to take the dirt out of this trench, which
we’re going to excavate. That’s the reason why you have these 2 big walls. There’s a hill
between the box culvert, which is low. The bottom of the box culvert and the top of the hill.
You have to take all that dirt out and then build 2 walls so you can put this trail inbetween the 2
walls at a lower elevation. All that dirt now has to be excavated and hauled out of that location.
That’s the other significant cost increase and so if all of this would have taken place when the
development was underway that dirt could have been lost as a part of the development. It could
have been spread across the development as part of the developer. That did not occur so the cost
goes up again. So those are the 2 main cost drivers as a part of this. The bid, the high bid for the
walls and excavating was $581,000. That was received from Hawkins Tree and Landscaping.
The low bid of $535,000 is from Hardscapes and so then you add in the other things that you
need to pay for. Combining the grading and the wall cost with paving which is $15,000.
Watermain $37,000. The easements from the Blanski’s and payment to the attorneys, surveyors
for those easements. The engineering, design and inspection from Alliant who is designing this,
$65,000. And then reimbursement to Gonyea Homes for materials to construct their portion of
the trail which is again currently an estimate at $80,000 and then 5 percent contingency of
$38,350. The estimated grand total for this work is $805,350. It’s staff’s recommendation that
you recommend to City Council increase the CIP from $400,000 to $805,350 for this work and
with the funding sources depicted.
Scharfenberg: Thank you Todd.
Hoffman: You’re welcome.
Scharfenberg: For that overview. We’ll open it up to discussion. Anybody have any questions
relative to this amendment to Foxwood from the budget?
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Petouvis: Todd I see on the following page, the map there is a green alternate trail connection.
Is that a viable alternative or is that just?
Hoffman: It’s a viable alternative. I would call it a secondary trail and so this trail that we’re
talking about on Great Plains Boulevard is going to serve a lot of people. It’s going to serve not
just this development and these residents but it’s going to serve people traveling north and south
along the west side of 101 so you want to complete that trail. The second trail is an add on or
additional trail. We currently own the west side of it. The east side we do not. It’s back on Mr.
Blanski’s property and so we don’t have the access to that property. If at some point in the
future that property sales and we work with a separate property owner, the challenge now is it’s
likely not to subdivide because if they would have subdivided that property they would have
done it as a part of this development so when that property sells it’s probably not going to
subdivide so we won’t have access to a taking and so that connection may never occur based on
who owns that property. We’ll have to buy that easement at some point in the future.
Scharfenberg: And Meredith was your question as to, that the green line was an alternative to
the, was that what you were thinking?
Petouvis: Yeah, I’m trying to figure out how tight the squeeze is between the rock and the hard
place. I don’t like it.
Scharfenberg: Anybody else have any comments or questions?
Petouvis: Do we have an exact figure on the number of people that this little patch of trail will
serve or greatly enhance their life experience? I’m looking at our park dedication fund and I’m
not at all trying to be sarcastic but I’m looking at our dying park dedication fund and I’m seeing
more than half of it going to this. More than half of what’s in there currently going to this
project and thinking of other trail connections that could be made throughout the remainder of
the city, we could probably do multiple other trail connectors elsewhere that could benefit
potentially more people.
Hoffman: Yeah I’d be glad to speak to that. So we don’t do any trail counts. We have a
comprehensive trail plan that we say we’ll build this entire plan so this is on the line. This line
has been mapped. It’s been told to the public that we’re going to build this section of trail. I
don’t think it’s, we don’t have the ability to pick and choose and say we’re going to build the
cheap ones and not the expensive ones. It’s a comprehensive system which includes all
connectors. This one happens to cost more. It’s a little piece. Sometimes in my position I say
okay well how can I feel better about this and the way I feel better about this on 101 is that most
of you remember the 101 project that was just completed and that project built significant
sections of trails up and down 101 between Lyman Boulevard and Pioneer Trail that were not on
our dime. All of the other trails out here were not on our dime and so the east side, the west side,
the box culvert, it far exceeds the dollars we’re taking a look at here. Do I believe that this
section was left out because it was difficult and expensive on that project? Yes. What was the
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conversation at that time? We don’t know when those houses up that hill are going to be
developed. We don’t know if that’s going to happen next year or if that’s going to happen 20
years from now so this last little leg, this expensive chunk we’re just going to leave it off for now
and we’re going to let others deal with it later. That’s today.
Kelly: Yeah I think it’s something we have to approve because if we don’t approve it now the
City Council may still approve it but if they don’t and then if we decide to build it later it’s going
to be more expensive because we’ve got the builder who’s going to build the trail on the property
and I don’t like seeing that kind of money spent either. I don’t like seeing the park fund spent
down and it’s getting way too low and that’s what we’re going to have to make some hard
decisions in the next 2 months on where we’re going depending upon what revenues come in. I
do believe the revenues will be higher than the $200,000 that Todd has told us but we don’t
know where they’re going to come in and some years are low and some years are high but, and I
don’t know if we can be creative with the City Council and help them find other funding sources
but you know that’s also something we can look into but I think as a group we have to approve
this now and see it move forward because it is part of our comprehensive trail and it needs to get
done one way or another. And I don’t think we’re not going to get it done any cheaper than now
and the, you know I’d love to see the Highway 7 trail done but that will never happen probably
because it’s going to be over a million dollars and you know unless the Comprehensive Plan
comes in with that so we’ve got to do the trails when we can, where we can with other people’s
machinery. It’s a good way to get it done.
Echternacht: Talking about approving it tonight…
Hoffman: You don’t have to approve the, you don’t have to approve what you’re going to
amend in the future. You can give the council an indication which these Minutes will already
give that indication but when you approve this, whoever makes the motion and the second they
can add that to that. By approving this and increasing the budget we’re going to take a look at
our CIP and alter something in the future. That’s going to happen in the next 2 months. You
don’t have to do that this evening.
Petouvis: Todd I just want to clarify. Make sure I’m understanding. Is the City, and therefore
the commission, under a contractual obligation to create this patch of trail given our developer
contract with the Foxwood development?
Hoffman: We are.
Petouvis: So it is a rock and a hard place. Okay, thank you.
Scharfenberg: Any other questions, comments? Todd the, speaking to the issue of the difference
in the $400,000 versus the $850,000. As a commission you know kind of going forward is there
something that we can do to better address these things so that we don’t have this happening
again? I know, I think I kind of know what the answer to that is going to be but is, you talked
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about the fact that we had, I was jotting down some notes here. It was a concept but we didn’t
have necessarily the plan. I mean can we ask for that in the future or is that kind of pie in the
sky? If you could speak to that.
Hoffman: Sure. That would be our responsibility so as we budget, throughout my time here at
the city developing these CIP’s I often call colleagues. I call consultants and we often get a per
square foot or per lineal foot cost because we don’t have a plan set to give you a number off of.
If you want a hard and fast number then we would need to go spend that $20,000 or $30,000,
$40,000 in front to get a 90 percent design. 80 percent design. And then that’s going to give you
an estimate but still is not going to be a bid cost so it’s going to be an estimate. The actual cost
would be your bid cost so we can invest more. We try to protect against this. I would say this is
unusual. It’s not that it doesn’t happen. This is somewhat unusual and in other cases when it, as
I expressed earlier when it does happen, so in the case of Bandimere we had, or excuse me
Pioneer Pass. We had a parks plan. We said hey we are very tight on our full time staff. Let’s
bid this thing out and we got a cost estimate on that and it just, you know way off the charts and
so we come back, we say let’s do this another way. We don’t have that option here so it’s not
unprecedented that costs come in higher. It happens. It’s all a matter of how much work we do
up front and then sometimes those design changes because the State says I can’t redesign it this
way. You can’t do it. You’ve got to do it this way and so it’s not, not a perfect science and again
I felt great when the $310,000 number came in. I felt horrible when the $510,000 number came
in.
Scharfenberg: And then I guess the one last thing I would ask you to speak to is the whole
timing of the dirt and excavation. Is that something that we or the City has any control of over
whatsoever so that we could say hey wait a minute. We know that that’s going to be built and
we need to build that. You need to take care of that. I mean is there any way that we could have
done anything along those lines?
Hoffman: So the developer knows what we want. We know what we want. They start their
process developing their lots. We start our process to get our approvals to build our trail. We
were completely bogged down in permitting and easement acquisition. It took way longer than
anybody would have expected and that was on both, we were working on behalf of this project.
The City and city staff and Alliant Engineering who is our consulting engineering and they were
working on behalf of the watershed district approval. State of Minnesota permit approval and
that just all took much longer than anticipated so their project closes up and our window closes
down. Hard to protect against that. We all, everybody wanted to. It’s in their best interest. Our
best interest. It just didn’t happen.
Scharfenberg: Well I think I speak probably for the majority of the commission that I think
we’re all not happy with this change and all the things that we could do with that additional
money and that things will have to be pushed out but I certainly understand that so in light of that
I would say does anyone want to make a motion?
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Kelly: Yep, I’ll make a motion that the Park and Recreation Commission recommends that the
City Council amend the Foxwood Addition Highway 101 trail reimbursement CIP budget from
$400,000 to $805,350 utilizing $768,350 from the park dedication fund and $38,350 from the
water utility fund.
Scharfenberg: We have a motion from Commissioner Kelly. Do we have a second?
Echternacht: I’ll second it.
Scharfenberg: Second from Commissioner Echternacht.
Kelly moved, Echternacht seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommends that the City Council amend the Foxwood Addition Highway 101 Trail
Reimbursement CIP budget from $400,000 to $805,350 utilizing $768,350 from the park
dedication fund and $38,350 from the water utility fund. All voted in favor and the motion
carried unanimously with a vote of 8 to 0.
PARK & TRAIL MAINTENANCE UPDATE.
Scharfenberg: We will move onto reports and Adam is first up.
Beers: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg and commissioners. I have a brief update of kind of what
our park maintenance division has been working on these past few months and what we have
coming up. This year we had 30 seniors from the Minnetonka High School participate in the
Senior Service Day. They worked primarily downtown and around the library and city hall
freshening up the mulch. Pulling weeds. Reintroducing sand into the pavers. Some typical you
know maintenance duties we perform every year so it’s great to have their help. Something that
we’re worked with Minnetonka and Chanhassen over the last, I can’t even tell you how many
years but since I’ve been here, which has only been 3 but it’s been a long standing relationship
and it’s a great resource for us and it’s a good experience for them. I’m sure you’ve all noticed
the new landscape design up on the top of the hill next to the hockey rink. The failing retaining
wall finally was removed and everything was regraded in-house. So it’s great to get that
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completed before the 4 of July. We just took the ropes down and gave everything a final
fertilizing so hopefully it withstand the 10,000 people we have coming to tramp all over it.
You’ve been talking a little bit about facilities tonight but we are all up and running. The
shelters are all up. The beaches are receiving quite a bit of action. All of our fertilizing, our first
application has been completed. Our broadleaf week control is now completed so we’re in pretty
good shape. We had a wet spring but things seem to dry up at the right time so we are moving
forward with the routine maintenance. 2017 shelter project is underway. We have the structure
up at Minnewashta Heights. We have some minor restoration and the trail to put in. We will be
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starting that process up again July 10, immediately following the 4 and everything that goes
with that. South Lotus Lake and Herman Field will be the next locations that we start to address
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once the 4 of July is over. It’s great to see everybody at the Roundhouse. Almost everybody I
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should say at the Roundhouse grand opening. We had a great turnout. Great project kind of
come to fruition. It was great to see all the pickleballers from the neighborhood and families
come out and it was just a great experience and thanks to everybody who was there from our
staff and thanks to Todd and Jerry. So a lot going on. We’re making our way through the season
so if anybody has any questions I’d be glad to answer them.
Scharfenberg: Anyone have any questions for Adam?
Petouvis: I don’t have a question. I have a comment and I’m glad to be saying something
cheerful now from all my grumpiness earlier. On behalf of our entire neighborhood thank you to
the Park and Rec department and to your team Adam for the beautiful changes to Roundhouse
Park. It’s lovely. The traffic has increased in that park significantly. We were out walking the
dog 2 days ago and every pickleball court was completely full. The street was parked up with
very happy pickleballers so, and the tennis court was busy too so thank you very much.
Beers: Absolutely, I will be sure to let the staff know. I don’t know if it’s the weather or what
but we’ve been getting quite a few positive phone calls just today so it’s good.
Kelly: So yeah I’ve got a comment. I saw the nice comment by somebody about the tree you
guys removed from the trail and I’d just like to add that every time I’ve called Adam or Todd
because I use the trail quite a bit, especially on my bike to let them know about trees that are
kind of encroaching or whatever they take care of it right away and I’m very appreciative but
that’s just, that’s how it’s always operated and it’s not just a one off.
Beers: We do our best.
Scharfenberg: Thank you Adam.
Beers: Yep.
RECREATION CENTER UPDATE.
Scharfenberg: Next up Jodi.
Sarles: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg and greetings to the commission. Another busy day,
busy night here at the Rec Center. Just came over. Full pickleball courts as you can expect and
tennis courts so it’s nice to see the pickleball players, seeing the tennis courts being in use and
vice versa so. It’s been a busy spring since I last talked to you. We’ve been working on the
capital project out at the Rec Center. We’re in kind of the midst of our 5 year plan. Just
replaced blinds that were over 20 years old so you know it was time and they were all bent so
half of our order is in. The other half is coming in about 2 weeks. They mis-measured and had
to reorder everything again. We also purchased 3 new Octane Fitness ellipticals. One is seated
and two are standing. And then we also have 2 new stationary bikes and positive comments
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from many of our facility participants. Just some new features and different things we hadn’t
had over there in the fitness center so the recumbent bike is always in use by seniors and so
adding that recumbent and elliptical has been really popular for that group especially. Some
program information and updates. Our Dance for Fun year and recital, it feels like forever ago
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but it was May 15 and we had about 110 dancers in our program participate in the recital. We
had a really positive year this year. Our completion team scored very, very high in the 3
competitions they participated in. One dancer in specific, her name is Ashley Ramsey received a
high platinum which is like their number one award at some of those contests that they go to so
that was great to see. Safety trainings. We offer babysitting training and safe kids training and
we’ve had some busy spring on those as kids want to stay home for the summer without, and
parents don’t want to have the hassle or the concern about them being safe at home so that
program has always been successful. 34 kids were in that one and then also kids wanting to start
their new career as a babysitter so we have 31 new babysitters that we introduced into the
Chanhassen world here this spring so it’s been fun. And like I said pickleball mania, we just
finished up a tournament out at the Rec Center. They had 25 teams participate in 3 different
categories. Kind of a fun time to get people out there and then it was nice, it corresponded with a
new opening of the Roundhouse Park and so those pickleballers came out and checked that park
out which is probably why you’re seeing a very large increase in usage. But they’re so positive
and so very excited about the new courts in town and the courts at the Rec Center as well. Let’s
see we have with the assistance of the Southwest Metro Pickleball Club we offer pickleball
lessons throughout the summer. We got over run a couple summers ago so we do charge $10
and that’s just because it’s a minimum payment that we require to use a credit card but they
receive 2 free passes to the Rec Center and an hour and a half of training from the pickleball club
and so those have been well received for new people. When we started hosting clinics one of
them got over 40 people and we just couldn’t accommodate that so we had to find a new way to
offer that service to the community. Our Rec Center Sports program, I just hired Katie
Holznagel. She’s been there with us for about a month now. She received her Park and Rec
Leisure Planning degree from Minnesota State University Mankato. She’s been serving for
Three Rivers Park District as an outdoor programmer for the past 6 months so she’s bringing a
really good ideas and energy and just a different excitement to the program so that’s well
received by our lots of t-ballers right now so tonight was the last night of the Tuesday night t-ball
programs and tomorrow night will be the Wednesday nights so we’ve had 67-3 and 4 year olds
play t-ball with us and 111 of the 4 to 6 year olds so it’s a fun program. I think my staff is super
excited to see that the Small Fry t-ball is going to take a break for a couple weeks and it’s going
to go over to track and field so they don’t have to constantly do t-ball so it’s fun. And as far as I
won’t be seeing you probably before this but we will have some Dance for Fun open houses to
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kind of reintroduce the fall program and those are going to be in August on the 16, 22 and the
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29 and those all run from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. so stop by and check it out. If anybody has any
questions for me.
Scharfenberg: Are they putting a new roof on, on the school?
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Sarles: Yes they are. Yeah so they’re working on that. That should be done in August. By
August.
Scharfenberg: But not on the Rec Center.
Sarles: They did our’s last year.
Scharfenberg: Okay.
Sarles: Our’s was leaking worst than their’s.
Hoffman: We pay again this year.
Scharfenberg: Oh yeah, thanks.
Hoffman: Our percentage.
Sarles: Yes.
Hoffman: 24 percent we pay. 76 they pay so they paid for 76 percent of our roof last year. We
paid 24. This year the same work that they’re doing they’re paying 76, we’re paying 24.
Scharfenberg: Okay. Anything else for Jodi? Thank you Jodi.
Sarles: Thank you.
SENIOR CENTER ACTIVITIES UPDATE.
Scharfenberg: Susan.
Bill: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg and commissioners. I’m going to keep it kind of short
tonight. I just want to talk about we had a really busy spring and summer and I want to highlight
a number of partnerships we’ve had both financial and supportive. Starting off as I mentioned
BMO Bank, they’ve sponsored 3 or 4 financial programs of our’s as well as senior learning at
work programs. Programs, senior learning at work programs have been going great. We did a
typical day at the Hearst Castle, California. We had one of the park rangers. We went on an
hour tour through the property. Had I think 39 people in attendance for that. They loved it and
BMO Bank helped sponsor that. Another partnership was, we have 3 programs and the first one
was the Nordic Walking class. Partnered with Carver County Parks. It was a 3 week program.
In the past we’ve done a one day program so it was a 3 week program. We started the first day
was a walk around Lake Susan. Second day we went into Lake Ann and then the third day we
did Lake Minnewashta. People loved it so we’ll look at repeating that. Another partnership, the
picnic and thank you Chair Scharfenberg and your wife for coming to the picnic. As we know
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the Lions have been sponsoring our picnic for the last 12 years and this year we had 139 people
in attendance so it was a great event and the weather cooperated. We haven’t had many good
Wednesdays but we, the weather was perfect for that one. Another partnership I want to talk
about was we went to the Twins game last Thursday. If any of you remember that game.
Longest rain delay in history. But Southwest Transit provided the bus to the game. We got
downtown. Parked the bus at about 20 to 12:00. We walked into the stadium at about 12:00
when the rain stopped. We walked out of the stadium about 3:00. The game began at 4:40 and
ended at 9:00.
Hoffman: You attended a rain delay.
Bill: We attended a rain delay to be part of history. Good news was I got an email from the
group organizer. Everybody can turn their ticket in and get, attend I think any game between
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August 29 and October 1 so a letter was sent out to everyone in that regard. The only other
thing I want to highlight, educational programs continue to go like crazy. People love the
Lifelong Learning aspect so I will keep introducing more of those. In the line of an educational
program our tour, one of our tours in June was to the State Capitol and James J. Hill house. For
new commissioners I’d say 90 percent of our day trips we partner with Chaska so we can split
the cost of the Coach bus and Joan, my counterpart in Chaska and I anticipate which trips we
might be more popular and last year we started adding 2 buses on. We had 104 people going to
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the Capitol and what we had to do was divide it in 2 days. We went on Monday the 12.
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Chaska went on the 13 and we each had 52 people going. And I think we have a few more of
those but all in all it’s been a busy summer. It’s been a nice quiet week. A week to breathe as
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well as I don’t plan a lot around the 4. We do close on July 3 with all the set up and
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everything with the 4 of July so it’s been a great spring and summer and we’ve got a lot of great
programs planned for the fall.
Scharfenberg: Thank you Susan. Any questions or comments for Susan? Alright.
RECREATION PROGRAM REPORTS: 2017 FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION.
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Favro: Thank you Chair Scharfenberg and commissioners. The 34 annual 4 of July
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celebration will start on Sunday, July 2 and go through Tuesday, July 4. All activities on the
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2 and 3 are going to be at City Center Park and on July 4 they’re going to be at City Center
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Park and Lake Ann in the downtown area. Our 4 of July celebration kicks off with our family
night at the carnival. This is a night for families to kind of come out without the big crowds with
the Taste of Chanhassen and the street dance and kind of enjoy the carnival. And new to this
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year we will be having the pony rides available also on July 2 and July 3. Then as we move
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into July 3 we have the carnival, the Southwest Business Expo, the Taste of Chanhassen, the
Rotary Beer and Wine Garden and the ever popular street dance with CBO. They will be there.
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This will be their 20 year performing at our 4 of July celebration so they are looking forward
to that. The City is partnering with Carver County again, or the Carver County Department of
Public Health again to kind of create a family friendly safe environment. Carver County has
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agreed to provide responsible beverage server training to those who will be involved in the
selling of beer and wine during the celebration. They’ve also provided a tent for breast feeding
which will be located next to our diaper changing tent supervised by Baha’I Faith. The parade
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this year is produced by the Rotary Club of Chanhassen. It will be held on July 4 and it will go
through the downtown areas, very similar to last year’s. Parade routes are identical. Through
this celebration the City partners with many organizations like the Rotary Club of Chanhassen,
the Southwest Metro Chamber of Commerce, Minnesota Twins and the Chanhassen Senior
Center for just different activities throughout the celebration. In addition we also partner with
the Southwest Metro Newspaper and we create the 16 page document that you guys have
received on your chair and also went into the newspaper 2 weeks ago I believe. We also create a
bunch of different ads that go into the newspaper. The one that will be in this Thursday’s is a tri-
fold. We like to do a tri-fold to kind of give people something in their hand that they can bring
with them to the celebration so they kind of know what is going on and what is all available.
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The 4 of July t-shirts, those go on sale. We’ve got sizes medium through small. Those will be
also available at the event. I guess this event is just a huge community event. It is sponsored by
the City and all the community event sponsors which are located in your tri-fold. They’re also in
the brochure so I guess if you guys have any questions for this year.
Scharfenberg: Any questions for Katie?
Tsuchiya: Pony rides this year?
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just had some comments because the pony rides are geared towards a lot of younger kids so we
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did add them to the 2 which is our family night at the carnival so they’ll be there for the 2 and
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the 3. And then they’re also bringing on the 3 a petting zoo which will be new for this year
too.
Tsuchiya: Is that all in the $2 or is that?
Favro: The pony rides are $5 per ride and then the petting zoo is free.
Tsuchiya: Okay. Just know my kids will be demanding that so that’s why I ask.
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Hoffman: Go on the 2. Much shorter lines.
Scharfenberg: Katie are you looking for any volunteers for any activities?
Favro: Yeah so new for this year we actually opened up, we started a sign up genius that you
can find on our City’s website. We’re looking for definitely, you know this is a huge event so all
the help we can get. We are always looking for people to help in the beer and wine garden with
the Rotary to help selling tickets and serving beer. We are also looking for people to help
marshal the parade, just making sure everybody kind of has a fun and safe environment. Make
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sure that nobody kind of goes in the road as the parade marshals to make sure that nobody who’s
not supposed to be in the parade tries to go through the barriers and get into the parade. So if
you have any questions about that you can always email me. Otherwise there is some
information on our City’s Facebook page and there is information on our City’s website which is
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www.ci.chanhassen.mn.us which is the main one and then if you do back slash July 4 it will
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bring you right to the 4 of July page.
Scharfenberg: Okay, thank you Katie.
Favro: Thank you.
COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS.
COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS.
ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET.
Scharfenberg: With respect to the Administrative Packet I would just like to highlight the letter
to Lauren by Mayor Laufenburger recognizing her and her work for the trail sign project. That
was wonderful. Lauren’s gotten quite a bit of publicity I think in the last week from the Villager
and thank you again for that wonderful project. Anything else in the administrative packet?
Hoffman: I just want to make one administrative comment and that is, as a commission I think
you probably sense that the public community appreciates what this City does in the area of
parks and recreation. That is supported and it always has been supported by a very involved
Park and Recreation Commissions and so we appreciate all that you do to advise us and to
consult us and to inspire us to continue to serve the public both through your guidance here and
then your volunteerism. This group, this organization as a body volunteers heavily at our events.
But tonight I just want to reflect on the longevity and the customer service commitment of our
staff and so what you see in parks and recreation is not a large turnover. A lot of dedication to
the public and to their position and I just want to tell you how proud I am of our staff and their
longevity and how they serve the public. So thank you.
Scharfenberg: Do we have a motion?
Kelly moved, Echternacht seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the
motion carried unanimously with a vote of 8 to 0. The Park and Recreation Commission
meeting was adjourned at 9:10 p.m.
Submitted by Todd Hoffman
Park and Recreation Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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