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CC Minutes 2.12.18Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 9. Lot coverage may not exceed 3,319 square feet. 10. The proposed rear patio and driveway areas must be constructed using pervious paver systems. 11. A permanent 20 foot native vegetated buffer must be installed along the shoreline using species native to the ecotype with permanent buffer monuments. The buffer may work around the path and stairs. The buffer must be designed and installed by an experienced professional in native shoreline restoration. Design plan must be approved by the Water Resources Coordinator. 12. The property owner must work with Minnehaha Creek Watershed District to identify and implement any shoreline restoration projects that would improve the ecosystem health and function. Replace riprap with bioengineering solutions is one example. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 4 to 0. Mayor Laufenburger: That motion carries 4-0. Good luck Mr. Souba and nice to have your family in the community for over 100 years and same to you Mr. Jackson. TH 531 WEST 79 STREET: APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT PANERA BREAD. Mayor Laufenburger: Who’s is this? Kate Aanenson: This is mine. Thank you Mayor, members of the City Council. Panera Bread is th requesting approval for a site plan located at 531 West 79 Street. This item did appear before the nd Planning Commission on January 2. They did recommend approval. The applicant’s are Panera LLC th and the Chanhassen Inn. So again the location on West 79 Street. I’ll give a little bit more detail on that but I just want to talk a little bit about the history of the Chanhassen Inn which was built in 1981 and they added 14 rooms onto the site. Sorry, let me put my pointer on there. So this building will be torn down adjacent to the Chick-fil-A. If I can go to the next slide you can see, put it in a little bit frame of reference here. So again the Chanhassen Inn would be removed. That’s why they’re part of the signature on there and then this is the older building, the Ramsey Building but shared the access with the Chick-fil-A. There was a traffic study which we’ll talk about in a little bit more detail but the request then is for a site plan approval to construct approximately 4,500 square foot building, a one story restaurant with a drive through with a variance request for the use of EIFS as a primary material. The intent of the Business Highway District, which this is zoned, is to provide commercial oriented building. Low profile so fast food are a permitted use in this district and maybe you do or do not know but Panera has been looking in the city for a number of years to locate and had unable until now to find a site to build on and they were definitely looking for Highway 5 frontage. So the site plan itself, as I mentioned, has a shared access within, coming in next to Chick-fil-A. Their parking has additional parking spaces so they have an easement to the east. In the staff report we talk about the requirements that they need so there’s additional parking there. The other thing I want to point out is they do have the drive through and we talked about at the Planning Commission as you recall last fall we modified our standards for additional stacking for a drive through. I’ll let Panera talk about this but the ratios that they used for drive through is significantly less than Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A has a lot more drive through. Panera tends to have more people that would go inside the store so they are accommodating the additional stacking length which I believe would be 12. They will be putting a filtration pond on the subject site so this area adjacent, so it would be in the southwest corner will be where the filtration pond would go. So some of the issues they have to address 47 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 is this area here has to be widened. 10 foot wide and then additional trees in this area here so this is adjacent to Highway 5 so that will also provide some nice noise attenuation from Highway 5. I know we had been down there, even under Chick-fil-A it can be loud. Talk a little bit about the elevation. So the original elevations we, concerned that a little bit kind of their prototype so this was the original elevation and then they revised them so this is what the Planning Commission saw. We had worked through the original application but we wanted to show you how they moved through the process. The other discussion we had with the variances we spent a lot of time talking about, we have a percentage of EIFS requirement so they spent time explaining to the Planning Commission the drivet. We put those specs in here too. That that’s a little bit different quality than a typical EIFS so it has a nice blend of materials so you’ve got the east elevation and then the north elevation. And then this is the old south and west elevations and then you can see the change too so there are spandrel windows which are on the bottom on the west elevation which is the faux glass. I was going to point out too that was similar, when Target’s doing their renovations they had some lower grade spandrel windows and those are all being changed out to a higher grade spandrel so they’ll have a much better attractive appearance so this will also have the nicer grade spandrel. The other thing that this site plan does accommodate is outdoor seating. Again as the Chick-fil-A it’s kind of hard to see but this again is the layout and the floor plan. So the next thing I’ll let maybe the City Engineer take a few minutes to talk about the trip generation and the traffic study. Mayor Laufenburger: Mr. Oehme, go ahead. Paul Oehme: Thank you Mayor. Thank you Kate. So like Kate had indicated where there was a traffic study that was performed for the proposed development. We took into account all the background traffic information as well and looked at what the hotel estimated trip generations were compared to what new trips would potentially generate for this development. This is kind of the worst case scenario or the largest traffic impacts we think so in total there roughly would be 800 and say 50 trips per day coming and going through this proposed restaurant. Traffic engineers, we’d look at is the peak hours. The AM peak typically during rush house. You know people are coming and getting coffee or something to eat and then the PM going home as well too so those are the numbers that we would look at additionally generating about 80 trips during the AM and then roughly about 50 trips in the PM so that’s the numbers that we typically would look at so based upon that we look at what the level of service is for each of the intersections and the surrounding roadway system so in general we’re not seeing a big impact in terms of level of service. As you can see most of the intersections are at A level during most of the hours during th the day. However during the peak hours at 79 Street and Great Plains we do see some level of services dropping off to the F range during the PM peak hours. That’s again those are the left turns going th northbound onto Great Plains off of 79 Street. That condition currently exists today. There’s just a little th bit more stacking that we’re going to be potentially seeing on 79 Street based upon this proposed development so, and again it’s not, it’s just a delay that we’re talking about here. It’s not generation of accidents or anything like that. It’s just delays that we’re evaluating so with that there’s, in the traffic study it’s in your background. We talked about some mitigation that potentially would, we could take place in looking out into the future. Some things that the City would be talking to MnDOT about and th monitoring the intersection of 79 Street and potentially making some improvements down the road there so with that staff is supportive of this application just based upon the traffic perspective. Mayor Laufenburger: Anything else on the staff report? Kate Aanenson: No, no. I’d be happy to answer any questions. 48 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Mayor Laufenburger: Okay, alright. Questions? Mr. McDonald, you have any questions? Councilman McDonald: The only question I had was on your traffic studies. Is that all the businesses th along West 79 or is that just Panera? th Paul Oehme: That’s just Panera. We looked at, we did the background trip generations along 79 Street. th I don’t have that number in front of me, how many trips are along 79 Street but we’re looking at what, with the new development potentially going in, how that would impact the existing traffic that is currently out there. Does it make it worst you know and what can we expect in the future? Councilman McDonald: Well then according to the traffic study that was in the packet, if I read it th correctly, it looks like the worst spot is going to be 79 and Great Plains, especially making the left hand turn. Paul Oehme: Right. th Councilman McDonald: And that’s going to cause additional stacking down 79. Paul Oehme: Correct. Councilman McDonald: So what’s the plan? How do you mitigate that? Paul Oehme: There are several items that were addressed in the, or talked about in the traffic study. One is to look at and talk to MnDOT about you know can we get some more green time on the side streets along Galpin Boulevard so that would alleviate a lot of the queuing backing up into Great Plains and clogging up this intersection. That was one of the options. And then one of the other items was looking th at making potentially modifications at the intersection of 79 Street and Great Plains and I can show you that real quick here. Bring up my other slide here so. So what, under this item we looked at three options. Kate Aanenson: I was going to make it bigger, sorry. th Paul Oehme: Yep, okay. So there’s 3 options. So again it’s the left turn movements off of 79 Street going northbound onto Great Plains. So one of the options, less impactful would be to maybe sign this th intersection for no left turns off of 79 Street going northbound just during those peak hours timeframes where we see you know the level of service F. So from say 7:00 in the morning to 9:00 or 4:00 PM to 6:00 PM in the afternoons we would look at signing that. Signing it does have some inherent setbacks or it’s not as compliant say and it’s hard to enforce these type of signage so we’re, we’d have to still go through analysis and see if that’s the appropriate improvement. If that’s not an option we may be looking th at like a pork chop island so this is, on 79 Street we’d look at maybe installing a raised median. This is a th concrete median here to channel traffic off of 79 Street so they only can southbound. Mayor Laufenburger: So there would be no compliance issue there. The only way they can go is right turn. Paul Oehme: Well and this, in this instance there might be some people that want to skirt around and get through this intersection. It’s not completely closed off. 49 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Mayor Laufenburger: No. Chanhassenites? Paul Oehme: Well I don’t know. These are people on Highway 5 maybe. Mayor Laufenburger: Out of towners, oh yeah. That’s who it is. Paul Oehme: Maybe. So and then the third option is to address that situation Mayor is, we potentially extend the center median there to eliminate that potential movement. So that’s, those are some of the items that we had talked about to address that, that level of service F at this intersection. Councilman McDonald: That intersection would never qualify for a light is that right? Because it’s too close to 5. Paul Oehme: Yeah I mean the stacking of that intersection, we’ve talked to MnDOT about that. It’s just, it’s so close to Highway 5 that it’s really hard to get that timing down correctly. And then we also talked about maybe a roundabout there and that’s problematic at these type of intersections too. This is a 4 lane intersection. It’d be a huge footprint to get a roundabout in there as well. So I think our options here are a little bit limited. You know if the development to the north of here were to develop where the car wash is today, I think that would alleviate a lot of traffic problems at the businesses on the east side of Great Plains because we’d probably look at a different access point for that traffic and that would maybe lessen the traffic congestion at this intersection if that development would take place. A lot of things we, kind of a lot of moving parts right now where we’re just kind of monitoring and seeing what the appropriate timing is for potentially you know recommending some of these modifications. Councilman McDonald: Okay, and then since we’ve put in Chick-fil-A because that intersection was a concern back then, what has been our experience at that intersection? Do we see increased accidents? Has there been increased traffic jams there? What’s happened? Paul Oehme: I think you know for just talking Carver County sheriff’s department I mean, and engineering’s observation I think there has been an increase at this intersection. There’s a congestion. You know we don’t have any accident data that has surfaced that the intersection has increased from a safety, decreased from a safety perspective since Chick-fil-A has gone in. I think a lot of people that have been using Chick-fil-A have realized you know during some of these peak hours that there is an alternate route going west over to Market Boulevard and I think we’ve seen a lot more traffic ending up going onto Market and trying to getting back on 5 so I think you know overall there’s going to be an equilibrium. If Panera was improved or granted to build there I think you know traffic’s going to want to find an equilibrium and they’ll find the quickest way to their original destination. Maybe it’s not going to be at th 79 Street anymore. Maybe it will be over at Great Plains and be at Market Boulevard. Councilman McDonald: So I guess what you’re telling me is, nothing’s really changed since we did Chick-fil-A. You just continue to monitor the intersection and at this point you really haven’t seen anything that would spike to say that this is becoming a more dangerous intersection. Paul Oehme: Right, yep. Again based on Carver County Sheriff’s observations, our observations, you know the data points that we’ve taken, we don’t, we’re not recommending any of these options right now but we just wanted to make sure that we have looked at this from a traffic standpoint and safety 50 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 standpoint we have options out there in the future that we can make if something were to you know move it. Councilman McDonald: Okay, thank you Mr. Oehme. Paul Oehme: Yep. Mayor Laufenburger: Mr. McDonald. Councilmember Ryan, did you have any questions or comments? Councilwoman Ryan: I did. Thank you for addressing the traffic concerns. Ms. Aanenson could you talk about the parking lot configuration between Chick-fil-A and Panera and just the orientation and direction, how that’s going to be set up. Kate Aanenson: I think I’d like to have maybe Panera talk a little bit about that but they do have extra parking. Councilwoman Ryan: Oh perfect. Kate Aanenson: Again as we’ve learned that the fast casual’s a little bit different between the two operations and so where their peak is maybe a little bit different peak so maybe I’ll let Panera address that if that’s okay. Councilwoman Ryan: Okay, yes please. Mayor Laufenburger: Do you have any other questions before I ask the applicant to come forward? Councilwoman Ryan: Nope. Mayor Laufenburger: Mr. Campion do you have any questions of staff? Councilman Campion: I have just one follow up question for Mr. Oehme. So going forward you know if the Panera’s approved and it goes forward and we’re just monitoring the traffic so we’re waiting for the trigger point for doing the pork chop and the elongated island or some other approach would be Carver County Sheriff saying it’s out of control? More accidents? Paul Oehme: Yeah there’s a whole bunch of points. Delays. If we see a lot of stacking going back up th and businesses along 79 Street can’t allow traffic to get and out of their development, that one might be a pinch or a point that we look at. Accidents, you bring up accidents. And then you know our observations too and again we’ll be monitoring it. You know every 2 years we take traffic counts out here and if there’s a spike or something else that we see out here, or getting a lot of calls from property owners or from the traveling public about this intersection then those are the trigger points that we may recommend you know going to one of these other improvements. So and again putting in the pork chop island and extending the median too, that has some inherent detriments to the businesses in this area too so that’s something that you know before we would ever put in any improvement like that we would definitely want to talk to the neighbors and the businesses in this area and the community and make sure this is the right thing to do for everybody. 51 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Mayor Laufenburger: Anything else? Councilman Campion: I mean my thoughts are just that, I mean traffic’s obviously getting worst and you know I would imagine there will be. Mayor Laufenburger: Well, I was going to say some people think it’s worst but some of the businesses think it’s really good. True? Councilman Campion: I’ve driven, you know I’ve been to Chick-fil-A several times since that opened and traffic is challenging and slightly confusing and I’m just thinking that it’s about more than just the car traffic too. You know people will undoubtedly try to get there by foot or bike as well and I would like to see something done about it you know sooner than later. It seems like there’s more and more traffic generators being added to the area and at some point we need to do something about it. Mayor Laufenburger: Yeah and I would say a primary concern would be the businesses either O’Reilly Auto Parts or Holiday, you know if they’re seeing such stacking there that people can’t get into their businesses that would be an issue. And have you heard from either of them? Paul Oehme: We have not. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay, alright. I wonder if we, is the applicant present this evening? Come on forward if you wouldn’t mind. State your name and address and who you represent, whether it’s Panera or Chanhassen Inn. Dan Cook: I’m Dan Cook, 3630 South Geyer Avenue, St. Louis, Missouri. I am the Panera Senior Design Manager. Brian Barnard: I’m Brian Barnard, B-a-r-n-a-r-d also from St. Louis, Missouri with Panera Bread. With us we also do have the owners of the Chanhassen Inn, Larry Zamor and Jean Zamor and as well we have Bryant Ficek with Spack Engineering who is our traffic engineer that worked on this with Mr. Oehme. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Anything you want to say about the restaurant and your plans? Brian Barnard: First I’d like to say my childhood days were spent 15 miles west of Oskaloosa, Iowa. My grandparents lived in Oskaloosa and actually family still owns farmland there and the booming metropolis under Minnesota Liquor Law would probably be allowed 2 or 3 licenses. But it’s a great sense of pride to the people of that community that Musco has been there and remains there so while I hope there’s a Panera in Chanhassen very soon, I hope the Musco headquarters stay in Oskaloosa. Mayor Laufenburger: They would buy a lot of Panera food if they came here let me tell you that. Brian Barnard: That’s true. There’s none available in Oskaloosa. I don’t own Musco unfortunately. I can’t sway them in that regard. Mayor Laufenburger: Alright. 52 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Brian Barnard: So as was mentioned you know Panera’s been looking in Chanhassen for a number of years to find a site to continue developing in the Minneapolis market. We just opened in Richfield which th is our 25 location in the greater Minneapolis area with another opening at Abbott Northwestern Hospital later this month. For a couple of years we’ve been in discussions with the Zamor’s as far as this site working on an LOI. Actually had preliminary meetings with Mr. Generous last spring looking at a site plan before it was even public that it was Panera’s. Just a building with a drive through lane and trying to discuss with him that it’s not a fast food restaurant and it’s very difficult to explain how a restaurant has a drive through without being fast food as Panera’s kind of developing the fast casual drive through model and getting people to understand as far as traffic generation. That our drive through is 25 to 30 percent of our business when you do a drive through whereas fast food locations like Chick-fil-A and McDonald’s generate 60 to 80 percent of their business through the window. We’re still a sit down restaurant by concept with drive through as a convenience factor. So we don’t see, you know if we do 1,050 traffic generations in a day we’re going to be ecstatic. That would blow away our best expectations and forecasts and I guess that would be additional sales income to the City of Chanhassen. So you know we’ve worked with staff as was noted in revising our elevations. Revising the site plan from what initially was created or I guess presented to Mr. Generous and understanding what Chick-fil-A did for their water retention system underground. Working with the watershed to understand what we could do which came to the bioswale there in the back side with the retention of the above ground retention pond. Reducing some of our parking but also increase the pervious coverage there. You know our peak hours are really from about 11:00 to 2:00 and then again later in the evening but really the lunch hour is our busiest time. 5:00 to 7:00 at dinner but again lunch is really where we do the most, the bulk of our business so you know in the evening is there’s more traffic for people leaving businesses or trying to go to other restaurants. We’re not generating the bulk of that in comparison to other you know evening restaurants like Applebee’s or Buffalo Wild Wings or any of those down the street a little bit farther so we think we’d be a good compliment here. I think the Mayor mentioned earlier that he’s not trying to restrict the Chanhassen Inn owners from, or make them operate a hotel and letting them redevelop this site. Mayor Laufenburger: Can you just speak a little bit more. You said that you’d be in, looking for a site in Chanhassen. Why Chanhassen? Brian Barnard: Strong demographics. Strong income levels. Very strong retail note, especially this th redeveloped area now that 79 has gone through a redevelopment over the past few years. We seem to always be a step behind Chick-fil-A and that just seems to be true not just here but across the country where they seem to find a site that is right next to where we’re looking and they just get through the process a little bit faster than we do. I don’t know partly because they have been a privately owned company the entire they’ve been in business and until last summer we were publicly traded so I don’t know if we’re going to start getting ahead of them or not. Hopefully so because you know they get on there first and then sometimes we have to deal with the repercussions of the site they’ve developed and us being adjacent to them. Mayor Laufenburger: Well certainly your history has shown the rising tides will raise all ships so, let’s see. How many employees will you employ here, do you know? Brian Barnard: It will end up being based on sales but up front anywhere between 50 and 70 to get it staffed up. You know there’s always going to be some drop off… Mayor Laufenburger: Full and part time right? 53 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Brian Barnard: Yeah, a mixture of full and part time and management. Mayor Laufenburger: And you’ll have a local like a general manager or a store manager is that correct? Brian Barnard: Yes. There’s actually multiple tiers of management. There’s an area operator that oversees around 10 to 15 locations and then there’s a specific general manager for that café and 2 to 3 managers within as well. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. Brian Barnard: There’s one manager for the café itself and then one that kind of oversees the drive through operation. th Mayor Laufenburger: So you have a, you’ve mentioned this is the 25 is that correct? 25. Brian Barnard: Richfield was 25. Mayor Laufenburger: So this would be 26 unless you speedily. th Brian Barnard: Abbott Northwestern will be 26 and then it’s a race between here and Blaine as to which th becomes 27. Mayor Laufenburger: We’ve got to beat Blaine right. Exactly. Todd Gerhardt: Are they on tonight? th Brian Barnard: Pardon me? No not tonight. In a month. March 13. Mayor Laufenburger: How do you answer the question you’re another national chain versus a locally owned business? Brian Barnard: It’s very true. I guess that is the burden of success because every national brand started as an individual location. Started as one café in St. Louis, Missouri and has grown to the brand it is now. And Dan can talk to this more than I can as far as the design side but we do try to make each one individual. You won’t go to a Panera that is the same as any other Panera in the country. Each one has it’s own design. It’s own location. Mayor Laufenburger: But there is a visual brand that you’ve established, would you agree? Brian Barnard: There is, yes. Absolutely. Mayor Laufenburger: And you’re modifying that traditional brand just a little bit? Brian Barnard: Absolutely and that was through working with staff to create what they felt was a little more pleasing and better presentation on that lot within Chanhassen so. And that’s something that we do across the country. It’s not, I guess I shouldn’t say it’s not unique to Chanhassen because I want you 54 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 guys to feel like this is a unique one and it is, but it’s something that we do across the country. There’s not a single one that looks the same or is the same even on the inside. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay. I think Councilmember Ryan had a question that she wanted to ask. Councilwoman Ryan: Speak to this slide and help explain just the flow of where the drive through is and how you’re, right now the parking lot between Chick-fil-A and this site is not super clear when people come in through the drive through for Chick-fil-A. Brian Barnard: Sure and I don’t know if we’ve got a site that actually has both of them on. Kate Aanenson: If you’re coming in this way and then you’re going to come to go through the drive through. Brian Barnard: You’d make actually a right. Kate Aanenson: Right there and then you come down through here. Brian Barnard: And that’s the entrance to the drive through lane. Kate Aanenson: Then you’re coming around this way. Brian Barnard: Then it comes around the building and so you can actually go back across the face of the building or back into the drive lane. Councilwoman Ryan: So are they very separate? Kate Aanenson: You could come back this way, yes. Yeah Chick-fil-A’s over on this side. Yeah. Brian Barnard: Correct. Councilwoman Ryan: So you’re going to get the coming in of Chick-fil-A and the exiting of Panera? Dan Cook: Well the Panera folks have two options exiting. They can come back across the face of our café. Kate Aanenson: So they could through here. Dan Cook: Or they can go straight out to the main drive aisle between the two concepts. So there are choices for the customers depending on how traffic flows. Brian Barnard: And I don’t know if Councilman Campion knows but I believe Chick-fil-A is set up for I think a 27 car stacking with their lanes. Have you ever even backed up into… Mayor Laufenburger: Double lanes. 55 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Brian Barnard: They do have double lanes up to 27 cars which is their standard. I mean they do a lot of business through that window and so that is how they lay out their site. Or if any of the other members here tonight know if they’ve seen has the drive through stacking backed up into the drive aisle itself. Councilman McDonald: Maybe when it first opened. Brian Barnard: Sure. Mayor Laufenburger: Early on. Councilman Campion: I’m just thinking of the flow, the traffic that they’re showing side by side. Kate Aanenson: Yep, they’re coming right here. Councilman Campion: It’s right down the same lane. Kate Aanenson: Correct, yes. Councilman Campion: You’re saying they’re going out and coming in and I. Kate Aanenson: Yep, they’re going to cross lane. Mayor Laufenburger: Where’s Highway 5? Kate Aanenson: Highway 5 is here. Councilman Campion: At the bottom. Kate Aanenson: Oh sorry, I’m on the bottom. Yeah. Mayor Laufenburger: So Chick-fil-A, the entry to Chick-fil-A is closest to Highway 5. The drive through for Chick-fil-A is closest to Highway 5. Kate Aanenson: Yeah. I think part of what we learned too at the Planning Commission is if you’re doing a more pick up or a quick run in and out that’s not the same experience so you’re going to be parking probably a little bit longer here going in to eat. Brian Barnard: Correct. Kate Aanenson: So the flowing, the movement will be quicker on the Chick-fil-A and longer duration of parking. Sometimes you see that in, you’re trying to get out and someone else is backing out into you also because of the way they’re set up and how long you’re in there that the turn over is a little bit slower, if that makes sense. Councilwoman Ryan: But are they very, you know because right now it’s hard to distinguish the parking lot and what not so is it going to be an easy flow of traffic with Panera whether you’re going through the 56 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 drive through or grabbing a sandwich or salad and coming out and with Chick-fil-A and the circulation of traffic there. Brian Barnard: And we think it will be which is why we actually curbed off on the drive aisle. Chick-fil- A actually has open parking straight off of the drive aisle too. Councilwoman Ryan: Right. So is that island. Kate Aanenson: This is curbing right here and they don’t have… Brian Barnard: Which will have to be widen a bit. Kate Aanenson: Yeah, so… Councilwoman Ryan: So when you come out of the drive through are you on the west side of the curbing or are you on the east side of the curb? Brian Barnard: It’s your choice really, yeah. It’s kind of facing the end of that curb so you’re either going to go slightly south to go up the drive aisle. More likely if you see the drive through for Chick-fil- A is backed up you’re going to take a left and go back across the face of the building to exit to the north. Councilwoman Ryan: Okay. Mayor Laufenburger: You said your busiest times are what, 11:00 to 2:00? Brian Barnard: 11:00 to 2:00. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay so that would be lunch traffic. Councilwoman Ryan: And is the, are you expanding the entrance to both of those, both Chick-fil-A and Panera or is it just one exit and one entrance into that? Brian Barnard: Chick-fil-A I believe still maintains their secondary entrance that was at the shopping center at the northeast corner of the lot. Mayor Laufenburger: Yep. Brian Barnard: And then there’s the one entrance here that is the shared drive aisle to both lots. Councilwoman Ryan: Okay. Mayor Laufenburger: And is that I think, is that shared aisle going to be widened? Kate Aanenson: I’m just going to go back to that original. Brian Barnard: No. 57 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Mayor Laufenburger: That shared aisle that exists today is the shared aisle that will. Brian Barnard: Will stay the same way, correct. Kate Aanenson: Right, so if you look at this photo that’s still there and they maintain this one over here. Chick-fil-A did so. Councilwoman Ryan: Well so my thought or suggestion is to keep an eye on the shared one because with the traffic, you know the lunch hour traffic that you’re anticipating and Chick-fil-A it already backs up into the parking lot as it is. Mayor Laufenburger: The drive through does? Councilwoman Ryan: Like people trying to exit and it. Kate Aanenson: Right and then you can’t back out, yeah. So I think part of it’s going to be, is going to be teaching people where to be. How to get in there. You know like finding that equilibrium to make your turning movement, queuing that and I think that was one of the reasons that we thought having this wider, this barricade provides them, so people aren’t cutting through. Trying to back in over there. Councilwoman Ryan: Is there no opportunity to expand the entrance? Kate Aanenson: Up at this, up at this point? Councilwoman Ryan: Or move it. Or just have two lanes or make it a little wider. Kate Aanenson: I think the City Engineer likes it when you have a controlled intersection and you can, so the more intersections you have the most frequency you have to look at somebody else. Paul Oehme: Just from a…perspective, you know having two entry points that close together is going to be a little more confusing I think so if we can leave it combined I think that would, you know and maybe just the signage or put some striping down to direct traffic. Councilwoman Ryan: Or even widen it. I don’t suggest. Paul Oehme: It’s wide, it’s really wide right now actually the entrance. I don’t know what it is right now but it’s. Councilwoman Ryan: You’ve got people coming in and out. Paul Oehme: Yeah. Kate Aanenson: But that’s part of the problem you have right now. We have all these driveways along here right now so you have people that are turning into each other. That’s part of the problem. Councilwoman Ryan: Okay. Well I would just pay attention to the striping because it’s, and even some of the shrubbery around it. It’s, I don’t know if it’s screening. I don’t know what it’s screening on 58 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Chick-fil-A’s lot but it’s, you know and if you start get stacking trying to get out onto Great Plains it is, I mean it’s just a challenge coming in and out of there. Kate Aanenson: We can look at queuing too. I think while we’ve employed arrows on the parking lot. Directional arrows. Sometimes you get people when you first open, kind of people get into those patterns of which way to go forward or turn here and actually painting it on the asphalt. Get people queuing the right way. Mayor Laufenburger: Thank you both gentlemen. Larry or Jean would you like to address the council? I’d like to say something to both of you. You can hear me okay right? You’ve been part of this community for almost 50 years. Jean Zamor: 36. Mayor Laufenburger: 36 years. That’s close enough to 50. And your presence in this community will be missed and you know I recognize that you’re at that season of your life where you, maybe you want to spend a little less time managing a hotel and doing some other things and I just think that it’s worthy that you be recognized for the contribution that you made to this community. There are people who come to this community that will be disappointed that the Chanhassen Inn is no longer there. They may be delighted with Panera but they will be disappointed that the Chanhassen Inn, specifically the two of you will not be there to greet them so I just, I wanted to publicly say on behalf of all of those people who have enjoyed your hospitality in the past and will miss your hospitality in the future, thank you. Larry Zamor: Thank you very much. Jean Zamor: Thank you. Todd Gerhardt: Mayor? Mayor Laufenburger: Yes Mr. Gerhardt. Todd Gerhardt: Since you’ve recognized the Zamor’s here. Your dad would sit in the front row and he would have no problem talking to the council. Right? Right, okay. Mayor Laufenburger: That wasn’t genetic? Genetically handed down. Todd Gerhardt: You did not get that DNA from him so I don’t know if you’re adopted or not but. But you will be missed. Your dad is missed. I think of him often. Every time I see that front chair I think of him because he could express himself and I’m sure you felt that at home once in a while. But he was a great man. I appreciated him and he told it like it was and that’s rare today and he didn’t keep it inside that’s for sure. Larry Zamor: Yeah we miss him. Todd Gerhardt: Yeah. Mayor Laufenburger: Very well. Any other questions of the applicant? Mr. Campion, go ahead. 59 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Councilman Campion: This is more for, back to Mr. Oehme. So based on the, I mean the plan that we’re approving here is the parking lot plan. The site plan is what’s being moved forward right? Mayor Laufenburger: It’s what’s being asked to be approved by the City Council, that’s correct. Councilman Campion: Okay. And yeah I’m just asking Mr. Oehme to take into consideration you know presuming this goes forward that, to look at the traffic flow in there of the two of them side by side. There have been some other parking lots that we’ve done for recent developments like you know just across Great Plains you know where the, they’re tight fits and it’d just be nice to see a little bit more room for traffic to flow freely. Just to review them and look to see if there’s any improvements to be made with the entrance and exit plan. I just imagine even though the peaks might be at a little bit different time it’s still, the way it was presented looks like it’s going to be challenging to navigate to me. Paul Oehme: Okay, we’ll visit with Panera Bread’s engineering team and traffic engineer and see if there’s, there may some improvements we can come up with. Councilman Campion: Okay. Paul Oehme: With their proposed plan. Councilman Campion: Okay. Mayor Laufenburger: Is your traffic engineer from St. Louis too? Brian Barnard: No. Mayor Laufenburger: Okay, so if he’s local then I don’t necessarily need to give him an opportunity to speak but, alright. Thank you very much to both of you and let’s see what the council does with this okay. Brian Barnard: Thank you. Mayor Laufenburger: Alright let’s bring this back to the council for any further discussion, comment or for action. Councilman McDonald: Mr. Mayor. Mayor Laufenburger: Mr. McDonald. Councilman McDonald: I guess what I’ll do is make a motion. Mayor Laufenburger: Alright. Councilman McDonald: Chanhassen City Council approves a 4,500 square foot one story restaurant with a drive through facility with a variance for the use of EIFS as primary material, plans prepared by CEI 60 Chanhassen City Council – February 12, 2018 Engineering Associates Incorporated dated revised November 30, 2017 subject to conditions of approval and adopts the Findings of Fact. Mayor Laufenburger: Alright we have a valid motion. Is there a second to that motion? Councilwoman Ryan: Second. Mayor Laufenburger: Thank you Councilmember Ryan. Any further discussion? I would just like to th make this comment that I think that Mr. Oehme we, the subject of traffic flow on 79 Street is a concern of the council and I’m going to use a word that Mr. Campion used, there may be a trigger that requires us to do this. I just hope that that trigger isn’t a fatal trigger. I think we, I understand that there may be problems associated with a pork chop or with signage and yes I do believe that over time people will find the equilibrium or they’ll find the best way to move on and I have observed that people do leave Chick- fil-A. Move left. Head out to Market Boulevard and then make a right turn to go north so that could be an option but I think it’s important that we stay ahead of that and so I would just urge you to, if you look th at traffic counts every 2 years, do it more frequently at that 79 and Great Plains. I know that there are, and I didn’t mean to make a flippant comment about better or worst Mr. Campion but there are some people along there that want to see more traffic. You know they want to see more people in their stores but they also want people to arrive safely so that they can spend their money so let’s just be in tune with that so I would ask that you and your engineers you know maybe narrow or shorten the time, the intervals between reviewing that traffic, alright Mr. Oehme? Paul Oehme: Yes. Mayor Laufenburger: Any further discussion? Mr. Campion. Councilman Campion: One last comment to put a cap on what I think I said poorly. And I’m in favor of more traffic for the businesses and I want people that come into Chanhassen to have a good experience when they’re dining at the restaurants you know within our city, going to the different retail stores and I just think to make sure that we have good overall flow helps to increase the likelihood of the people to come back a second time for another visit so that’s what I’m after. Mayor Laufenburger: Well said Mr. Campion. Councilman McDonald moved, Councilwoman Ryan seconded that the Chanhassen City Council approves the site plan for a 4,500 square foot, one-story restaurant with drive through facilities plans prepared by CEI Engineering Associates, Inc. dated revised 11/30/17, subject to the following conditions: Building: 1. The building is required to have an automatic fire extinguishing system. 2. Building plans must be prepared and signed by design professionals licensed in the State of Minnesota. 3. Sanitary and storm sewer service must comply with Minnesota State Plumbing Code (see Table 701.1). 61