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AGENDA
CHANHASSEN PTANNING COMMISSION
WEDNESDAY, NOVEIvIBER 16, 1988, 7:30 p.M
CHANHASSEN CITY HALL, 690 COULTER DRIVE
CALL TO ORDER
OLD BUSINESS
Site PIan Approval for a self-service car wash and automotiveservice station located on property zoned BH, Business
Highway located at the northeast corner of Hwy. 5 and TH 101,
Amoco .
PUBLIC HEARINGS
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN TABLED UNTIL DECEMBER 7, 1988 *
Carl Carrico - Property zoned RR, Rural Residential and
locateal on Lake Lucy tane, approximately i mile west of
Yosemite:
a. Subdivlsion of 12 acres into 16 single family lots.
FiIl and Dredge a Portion
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b Wetland Alteration Permit to
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NEW BUSINESS
OPEN DISCUSSION
4. Planning Department Goals - Don Ashworth
5. Contractorrs Yard Discussion - Mark Koegler
6. wetlanals, Horse Trails - Tim Erhart
ADJOURNMENT
** Visit Site
Sign Variance for a double faced pylon sign (5' x 10') for
Metro Lakes West Mini-Storage on property zoned IOP,
lndustrial Office Park and located at 7800 Park Drive, Marcus
Corporat i on .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
CITY OF
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P.C. DATE: Nov. 16, 198g
C.C. DATE: Dec. 13, 19BB
CASE NO: 88-11 Sire plan
Prepared by: Olsen,/v
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PROPOSAL:
LOCATION:
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Northeast Corner of Hwy. 5 and 101
Site Plan Review for a ConvenienceGas Pumps and a Car Wash
Amoco Oi1 Company
5001 Wesr 80rh street, #890Bloomington, MN 55 437
Mr. Jim Filippi
North Star Engineering
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APPLICABLE REGUTATIONS
Sectsion 20-712 a11ows convenience stores with
washes as a permitted use in the BH District.
gas pumps and car
Section 20-7).5 requires the maximum 1ot coverage of 65t with set-
backs of 25 feet for front yards, 20 feet for rear yards and 10
feet. for side yarCs. The parking and off-street parking areas
shall comply with all yarii requirements of the section. The
maximum height of a structure is 2 stories.
Section 20-1178 requires all
tely screened on all sides.
trash disposal units to be comple-
Section 20-1191 requires a l0 foot strip of land between abutting
right-of-way and vehicular use areas including one tree per 4u
feet and a hedge wall or berm of at least 2 feet.
Section 20-LL92 requires interior
with one tree per 40 feet.
property lines to be landscaped
Section 20-L2LL requires interior landscaping for vehicular use
areas.
Section 20-1125 requires 1 parking space for each 200 square feet
of gross floor area for shopping centers.
Section 20-I303 pernits one ground 1ow profile sign per street
frontage with a maximum of two signs per lot which do not exceed
80 square feet in sign display area or 8 feeE in height. In no
case shall any 1ot contain 2 free stanCing business signs when
such signs are ground 1ow profile or pylon signs. The BH
DistricE permits one pylon business sign not exceeding 64 square
feet per lot. A pylon sign greater than 64 square feet but equal
to or less than 80 square feet may be permiEted upon a con-
ditional use permit. Such signs shall be located at least l0
feet from any property line and shall not exceed 20 feet in
height. The BH District also permits one wal1 business sign per
street frontage for each business occupant within a building.
The totat of all !va1l mounted sign display areas sha1l not exceed
50t of the total area of the building wall and no individual
business signs shalI exceed 80 square feet.
A11 rooftop equipment must be completely screened
Section 2O-L255 a11ows motor fuel price signs to be affixed only
to the fuel pump and thaE they shall not exceed four (4) square
feet.
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November 16, 1988
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Asst. City Engineer
Building Department
PubIic Safety
Fred Hoisington
MnDOT
BACI(GROUND
ANALYS I S
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The Planning Commission first reviewed the site plan appJ.icationon September 21, 1988 (Attachment #7). The Conmission iabled theitem until access issues could be resolved. The applicant hassubnitted a new site plan which addresses the acceii issues andaddresses other issues brought up by staff after the first siteplan reviehr.
The site is located at the northeast corner of Hrry. I01 and Hwy.5. The site currently contains a Brownts Standard AutomotiveService Station \rith an automatic car hrash. The most easterlyportion of the site is not developed. The applicant is propolingto remove all of the existing structures and und.erground tanksand pipes and develop a completely new site to coniorm to the new
Amoco site pIan.
The proposed siEe plan contains a convenience store with gaspumps, gas canopy, and an automatic car wash. The site plan
shows a future addition containinq a four-stalI self-serve carwash. The future addition \"ri11 not be reviewed at this time.The applicant will have to receive a separate site plan approvalby the Planning Commission and City Council when the futurl addi-tion is proposed to be constructed. The site p.Lan locates theconvenience store, gas pumps, and gas canopy along the westerlyportion of the site. The remaindei of the iite witt remain inits existing state.
The convenience store is 1,030 sguare feet and the the applicantis proposing four gas pump islands with a t.otal of g fueiinqpositions. The gas pumps wil-l permit one car on either sid6 tofuel at a time. The gas pumps and canopy are located on thenorth and south side of the convenience store (two on each side).The automotive car wash is located north of the northerly gaspumps and canopy. The applicant is also proposing two additionalfuture pump islands located east of north and souf.h islands.When the future pumps are installed the gas canopy would also be
REFERRAL AGENCIES
Amoco Site Plan
November. 16, 1988
Page 4
extended to cover those areas. The applicant has asked staff toreview the future pump islands at this time rather than having togo through an amended site plan in the future. Staff finds noobjection to the addition of the future pump islands.
Acces s
As part of the improvements to IIwy. 5, MnDOT is proposing to make
improvements to Trunk Highway 101 from Hwy. 5 to just south ofthe railroad tracks. MnDOT is proposing to construct a center-line median which would restrict left turning movements fromtraffic aoing north on TH 101 to West 79th Street and traffic
going south on TH 101 turning left into tshe Amoco site. The siteplan r.ra s tabled at the first Planning Conmission meeting untilthe access situation involving the proposed metlian by MnDOT could
be resolved.
The applicant has met with staff and has shown that the site plan
will not change with either the two proposed access points Lo the
site or one center access point. The applicant has stated thatif the median is installed as proposed by MnDOT without any cutsprovided, Ehe site will remain as it is today. The applicantprefers to have t.he t!./o access points rather than one central
access point but understands that if the median is instalfed with
one cut directly access from west 79th Street, that the site
would have to be amended to close the tqro access points and open
a central access directly across from the median cut j.n West 79th
Street. The city will be pursuing an amendment to the proposed
MnDoT median plans by requesting a median cut directly across
west 79th Street. MnDOT has stated that there is a good possibi-
lity that the median cut will be approved since TH 101 is going
to be realigned and the jurisdiction of this section of TH 101
will mostly turn back over to the city. when and if the meoian
cut is al1owed, staff is recomrnending that the site plan be
approved conditioned upon the applicant closing the two accesspoints and creating a central access point which is directly
across from West 79th Street and the median cut.
The current plan proposes two access points with the southerly
access being a right in only. The applicant submitted this plan
to prevent traffic conflicts leaving and entering the site at the
southerly point which is located close the the Hwy. 5 intersec-
tion. Staff has reviewed the proposeil right in only entrance and
has determined that the design of it would not prevent traffic
leaving the site at the southerly access and r^rou1d prefer having
the southerly access designed to a1low fuIl traffic movement
entering and leaving t.he site. The southerly access can not be
located further south than the existing southerly access.
As part of the improvements Lo TH 10I MnDOT wiII be widening 101.
The right-of-way required for this widening has not yet been
determined by MnDoT but the applicant should be aware that addi-
tional right-of-way will be requiretl in the future.
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November 16, 1988
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The proposed site plan is closinq access to the property directly
to the north which contains Gary Brownrs self serve car wash.
It has been determined that the applicant has the right to closeoff this access since it is on their property. There is no
agreement between the subject property owner and Gary Brown whichrequires thaE access to the car wash be maintained.
Landscaping, Parking and Setbacks
The applicant is providing the required setbacks for parking andstructures from Hwy. 5 and 101 and the required 10 foot setbackfrom the most northerly property line. The vehicular area alongthe south portion of the site is within the 25 foot setback. Theordinance, under the landscaping section, states that vehicularareas must maintain a 10 foot landscaped strip bethreen vehiculararea and right-of-rray. Therefore, the applicant is meeting thevehicular setback requirenents.
The applicant has increased the landscaping on the site from theoriginal site plan. The landscaping plan noh, meets the require-
ments of the Zoning Ordinance by providing a two foot hedge bet-
iveen the vehicular area and right-of-way, increasing the numberof evergreens on the site and providing at least one tree per 40feet along the perimeter of the site.
The applicant.is providing four parking spaces. The conveniencestore contains approximately 600 square feet of retail area whichrequi.res four parking spaces to be provided. One of the parking
spaces must be a handicapped space.
Liqhtinq, Si gnaqe and Trash Encfosures
The applicant is providing acceptable lighting standardsthroughout the site. Page 4 of the site plan illustrates theextent of the light seen from the site. The applicant is alsoproposing recessed lighting in the canopy areas to further red.uce1ight impact to surrounding properties. The lighting plan showsthat the impact to surrounding properties is minimal and shouldnot conflict r{ith traffic on Hwy. 5 and 101. The lighting alongTH 101 is consistent $rith dohrntoh,n Iighting fixtures.
The applicant is proposing to maintain the existing pylor: sign,add three wa1l signs approximately nine square feet in size eachon Lhe north, west and south side of the convenience store, onewa11 sign 8.5 sguare feet on the south side of the automatic carwash, and three canopy signs, each approximately 11.7 square feetIocaEed on the east, lvest and south side of the southerly gascanopy (see Page 4 of site plan).
The ordinance a1lows one wa11 sign per street frontage for eachbusiness occupant within a building. Therefore, the applicant isonly permitted two hraI1 signs on the convenience store. The
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applicant is proposing three wall signs and one of them must berenoved. The wall signs on the convenience store are proposed at9.3 square feet which meet the requirement of 15t or less- of thewal1 area. The wal1 sign for the automatic car wash also meetsthe requirement of 15t or less of the wal1 area. The ordinanceonly permits motor fuel price signs within the gas pumps area.In the past, the city has not permitted gas canopy iignage(SuperAnerica, Holiday and Brooks Superette). Tha Amoco-sitewill maintain the existing pylon sign which has the Amoco nameand logo. Staff does not feel the additional signage on thecanopy is necessary and that it should not be permiited.
The applicant is proposing to have one brick trash enclosurelocated in the metlian between the self-serve car wash and theconvenience store. The trash enclosure is screened on all sideswith a brick wall and a wood fence entrance and is alsol ands caped .
Drainaqe,Utilities,Access and Circulation
In his attached memo, the Assistant City Engineer addressgrading, drainage, and utilities of the site and also addressesaccess and circulation (AttachmenL #2).
Used Oil
The applicant is providiag a 500 gallon wastefacility for the public to recycle used oil.providing t.his as a service to the community.
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RECOMMENDAT I ON
Planning staff recorunends thatfollowing motion:
the Planning Commission adopt the
"The Planning Commission recommencls approval of Site plan Review#88-11 with the following conditions:
I. The self servrce car wash will require
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The t$/o future gas pumps
approved as part of tshis
and extensionsite plan .
site plan approval .
of the gas canopy are
The proposed two access points sha11 be combined into onecentral access across from West 79th Street, if a center
median with a cut across from West ?9th Street is installedon TH I01.
4 The most southerly access sha1l not be located further souththan the existing southerly access and shal1 be designed forfull traffic movement (right-in and right-out).
applicant is proposing three wa1l signs and one of them must beremoved. The wall signs on the convenience store are proposed at9.3 square feet which meet the requirement of l5t or less-of thewall area. The wa1l sign for the automatic car wash also meetsthe requirement of 15t or less of the waII area. The ordinanceonly permits motor fuel price signs within the gas pumps area.In the past, the city has not permitted gas canopy signage(SuperAmerica, Holiday and Brooks Superette). The Amoco sitewill maintain the existing pylon sign which has the Amoco nameand 1ogo. Staff does not feel the additional signage on thecanopy is necessary and that it should not be permitted.
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November 15, 1988
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The applicant is proposing to have one brick trash enclosurelocated in the median between the self-serve car wash and theconvenience store. The trash enclosure is screened on all sideswith a brick wa1l and a wood fence entrance and is also
Iandscaped.
Gradinq, Draina qe, Utilities, Access and Circulation
fn his attached memo, the Assistant CiCy Engineer addressgrading, drainage, and utilities of the site and also addressesaccess and circulation (Attachment #2).
Used Oi1
The applicant is providing a 500 ga11on wastefacility for the public to recycle used oil.providing this as a service to the community.
The two future gas pumps and extensionapproveil as part of this site plan.
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RECOMME NDATI ON
Planning staff recommends that the planning Commission adopt. thefollowing motion:
"The Planning Commission recommends approval of Site PIan Review#88-I1 with the following conditions:
The self service car wash wiII require1
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canopy are
The applicant shafl furnish in writing a statement that AmocoOiI Conpany is willing to reduce the number of entrances and.exits to the site to a total number of one if MnDOT grantsthe City a median cut for the proposed island on State TrunkHighway 101. This entrance would faII directly in line witht.he centerline of West. 79th Street. The costs for thereconst.ruction would be aE. Amoco's sofe expense. This state-
menE shal1 be provided to the City prior to final site planapprovaL.
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4 The most southerly access shall not be Iocated
than the existing southerly access and shall befu11 traffic movement ( right-in and right-out).
further south
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The convenience store shall be permitted only two
The gas canopy shalI not be permitted any signage
Ehe Amoco stripe name .
be submitted to thesite plan approval .
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allow it to be open
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10. A revised erosion control plan
Engineer for approval prior to
provide the tank for used oil and sha11to the public.
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The applicant sha11 remove the cars, trucks, etc., stored onthe easterly portion of the site.
The plans sha1l be revised to include the proper scorm sewerfacilities which connect to the City's storm sewer system.
The proposed curb cut near State Highvray 5 will not be
accepted.
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11. Details for the construction of the curb radiusnortherly access will be provided for approval
Engineer prior to final approval .
12. The proposed buildings shall be moved five feet
such that adeguate maintenance for the existing
be provided.
for the
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Excerpts from zoning ordinance.
Memo from Asst. City Engineer dated November
Memo from Building Dept. dated September 12,
Memo from Public Safety dated August 2, 1988.Letter from Fred Hoisington dated September 9tetter from MnDOT dated October 24, 1988.Site Plan dated October 20, 1988.
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b. For rear yards, thirty (g0) feet.c. For side yards, fifteen (1S) feet.
(7) The maximum height is as follows:
a. For the principal structure, one (1) story.b. For accessory structures, one (1) story.(Ord. No. 80, Art. V, $ t0(5-10-5), t2_t5-86)
Secs. 20696-2G,210. Reserved.
ARTICLE XVII. 'BH- HIGHWAY AND BUSINESS SERVICES DISTRICT
Sec. 2G7ll. Intent.
(Ord. No. 80, Arr. V, $ 11(S-r1-1), 12-15_86)
Sec. 20-712. Permitted uses-
The following uses are permitted in a ,.BH,, District:
(1) Financial institutions.
(2) Fast food restaurant.
(3) Automotive service stations.
(4) Standard restaurants.
(5) Motels and hotels.
(6) Offices.
(7) Retail shops.
(8) Miniature golf.
(9) State-licensed day care center.
(10) Car wash-
(11) Convenience store with or without gas pumps.
(12) Personal service establishment.
(13) Liquor stores.
(14) Health services.
(15) Utility services.
(16) Shopping center.
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(17) Private clubs and lodges.
(18) Community center.
(19) Funeral homes-
(Ord. No. 80, Art. V, $ 11(5-11.2), 12-15-86)
Slec. 2G713. Permitted accessory uses.
The following are permitted accessory uses in a "BH" District:
(f) Signs.
(2) Parking lots.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. V, $ 11(5-11-3), 12-15-86)
Sec. 2G714. Conditional uses.
I'he following are conditional uses in a "BH" District:
(1) Outdoor display of merchandise for sale.
(2) Supermarkets.
(3) Small vehicle sales.
(4) Screened outdoor storage.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. V, $ 11(5-114), 12-15-86)
State law reference-Conditional uses, M.S. $ 462.3595
Sec. 2G715. I-ot requirements and setbacks.
The following minimum requirements shall be observed in a ,.BH" District subject to
additional requirements, exceptions and modifications set forth in this chapter:
(l) The minimum district area is ten (10) acres. This paragraph may be waived by a
condition use permit in the case of expansion of an existing district.
(2) The minimum lot area is twenty thousand (20,000) square feet.
(3) The minimum lot frontage is one hundred (100) feet, except that lots fronting on a
cul-de-sac shall have a minimum frontage in all districts of sixty (60) feet.
(4) The minimum lot depth is one hundred fiIty (1b0) feet.
(5) The maximum lot coverage is sixty-frve (65) percent.
(6) Off-street parking areas shall comply with all yard requirements of this section,
except that no rear yard parking setback shall be required for lots directly abutting
railroad trackage; and, no side yard shall be required when adjoining commercial
uses establish joint off-street parking facilities, as provided in section 20-1122, except
that no parking areas shall be permitted in any required side street side yard.
Minimum rear yard shall be fifty (50) feet for lots directly abutting any residential
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district. Side street side yards shall be a minimum of twenty-five (25) feet. Other
setbacks are as follows:
a. For front yarcls, twenty-five (25) feet.
b. For rear yards, twenty (20) feet.
c. For side yards, ten (10) feet.
(7) The maximum height is as follows:
a. For the principal structure, two (2) stories.
b. For accessory structures, one (1) story.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. V, $ 11(5-11-5), 12-15-86)
Secs. 2G716-2G,730. Reserved.
ARTICLE XVI[. "CBD" CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT
Sec. 2G731. InteDt.
The intent of the "cBD" District is to provide for downtown business development
supporting a strong central business district while enhancing the overall character of the
community in conformance with downtown redevelopment plan, goals and objectives.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. V, $ 12(5-12-1), 12-15-86)
Sec. 2G732. Permitted uses.
The following uses are permitted in a "CBD', District:
(l) Bowling center.
(2) Retail shops.
(3) Offices.
(4) Standardrestaurants.
(5) Liquor stores.
(6) Entertainment.
(7) Convention and conference facilities.
(8) Financial institutions.
(9) Health care facilities.
(10) Hotels.
(11) Specialty retail (including but uot limited to jewelry, book, stationery, bible, camera,
pets, arts and crafts, sporting goods).
(12) Supermarkets-o
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(12) Mortuaries-One (1) space for every three (g) seats.
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I (13) Motel or hoter-one (l) parking space for each rental room or suite, prus one (1) spacefor every two (2) gmfloyees.
(14) OIIice buildings (administrative, business or professional)_Three (3) parking spacesfor each one thousand (1,000) square feet of floor area.
(15) Public service buildings, including municipal administration buildings, commurxitycenter, public library, museum. art galleries, and post ofiice_One (1) parking spacefor each frve hundred (i00) square feet of floor area in the principal .t***", pf*one (l) parking space for each lour (4) rests within public assembly or meeting rooms.
(16) Recreational facilities, incruding golf course, country crub, swimming crub, racquetclub, public swimming pool-T\renty (20) spaces, pi* oo" g) space for each frvehundred (500) square feet of floor area in the principal structure or two (2) spaces percourt.
(17) Research, experimental or testing stations-one (1) parking space for each frve hun-dred (500) square feet of gross floor area within the building, whichever is greater.
(18) Restaurant, cafe, nightclub, tavern or bar:
a. Fast food-One (1) space per sixty (60) square feet of gross floor area.b. Restaurant:
1. Without full liquor license-One (l) space per sixty (60) square feet of grossfloor area or one (1) space per two and one-harf (2)6) seats whichever isgreater.
2. With full liquor license-One (1) space per ftlty (b0) square feet of gross floor
area or one (l) space per two (2) seats whichever is greater.
(19) Retail stores and service establishments_One (l) space for each two hundred (200)
square feet of gross floor area.
(20) School, elernentarJr (public, private or parochial)_One (1) parking space for each
classroom or office room, plus one (l) space for each one hundred hfty (150) square
feet of eating area including aisles, in any auditorium or rymnasium or cafeteria
intended to be used as an auditorium.
(21) School,junior and senior high schools and colleges (public, private or parochial_Four
(4) parking spaces for each classroom or olfice room plus one (l) space for each one
hundred fifty (150) square feet of seating area including aisles, in any auditorium orgymnasium or cafeteria intended to be used as an auditorium-
(22) Shopping center-On-site automobile parking shall be provided in a ratio of not less
than one (l) parking space for each two hundred (200) square feet of gross floor area;
separate on-site space shall be provided for loading and unloading.
(23) Storage, wholesale, or warehouse establishments-one (l) space for each one thou-
sand ( 1,000) square feet of gross floor area up to ten thousand (10,000) sqr""" f""t ..rd
one (1) additional space for each additional two thousand (2,000) square feet plus one
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(5) The removal of diseased and damaged trees is permissible.
(d) Tree removal not permitted under subdivision, planned unit development or site plan
review shall not be allowed without the approvar of a tree removal pran by the city couic .
TYee removal plans shall include the content requirements as d.ictated, in section 20-rrzz andidenti& reasons for tree removal. The plan shall be submitted three (B) weeks in advance of
the city council at which it is to be considered.
(e) This section does not apply to single-family and two-family lots of record-
(Ord. No. 80, Art. Vm, $ 7, t2-1b-86)
Secs. 2Gll80-2Gllg0. Beserved.
DTYISION 2. PEBIMEIER LANDSCAPING REQI'IREMENTS
Sec. 2(Ill9f. Generally.
(a) where parking areas are uot entirely screened visually by an intervening building or
structure from any abutting rightof-way, there shall be provided randscaping betweu., "o"harea and such right-of-way as follows:
(1) A strip of land at least ten (10) feet in depth located between the abutting right-of-
way and the vehicular use area which shall be landscaperl to incrude ao ..,".uge of
one (1) tree for each forty (40) linear feet or fraction thereof. such trees shail be
located between the abutting rightof-way and the vehicular use area.
(2) In addition, a hedge, wall, berm, or other opaque durable landscape barrier of at least
two (2) feet in height shalr be praced arong the entire rength ofthe vehicular use area.If such opaque durabre barrier is of nonliving material, a shrub or 'ine shall beplanted along the street side of said barrier and be planted in such a manner to breakup the expanse of the wall. A two_foot berm may be useil; however, additional
landscaping at least one o) foot in height at time of planting shal be installed. The
remainder of the required landscape areas shall be landscaped with grass, ground
cover, or other landscape treatment.
(b) This division applies to perimeter landscaping.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. VIII, $ 2(8-2-1), t2-15-86)
Sec. 2G1192. Required landscaping adjacent to intcrior property lines.
(a) Where parking areas abut property zoned or, in fact, used primarily for residential or
.institutional purposes, that portion of such area not entirery screened visualry by an interven-
ing structure or existing conforming buffer from an abutting property, there shal be provided
a landscaped bulfer which should be maintained and.epra"ed as needed. such landscaped
buffer shall consist of plant material, wall, or other durable barrier at least six (6) feei inheight measured from the median elevation of the parking area closest to the common rot rine,
and be located between the common lot line and the off-street parking areas or other vehicular
use area exposed to the abutting property. Fences shall be constructed according to thestandar& in section 20-10f8.
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(b) In addition, an average ofone (l) tree shall be provided for each forty (40) linear feet ofsuch parking area or fractional part thereof. Such trees shall be located between the commonlot line and the off-street parking area or other vehicular use area.
(c) Where such area ahuts property zoned and, in fact, used for offrce, commercial, orindustrial purposes' that portion of area not entirery screened visuary by an interveningstructure or existing conforming buffer, shall comply with the tree provisions ooly ," pr*scribed in this section.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. Vm, i 2(A-2-Z),12_rE€6)
Sec. 2G,ll9B. Combini-g with eaaem€nta.
rhe required randscape bufferyard may be combined with a utility or other ease.ent aalong as all of the randscape requirements can be fir,y met, other-s'ise, the landscape bufferyardshall be provided in addition to, and separatc from, an5r other easement. cars or other objectsshall not overhang or otrrerwise intrude upon the required randscape bufreryard more thantwo and one-half(2%) feet and curbs will be required.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. VItr, $ 2{8-2-A), t2-1S-86)
Sec. 2Gll94. Existing laadscape material.
Existing landscape material sha, be shown on the required plan aud any material in
::ti-sf1to? co$ition may be used to satisfy these requirements in whole or in part.(Ord. No. 80, Art. VlI, $ 2(8-24), r2-1b€6)
Secs. 2Gllg5-2G1210. Reserved.
DWISION 3. INTERIOR LANDSCAPING FOR VETICULAR USE AREAS
Sec. 2Gl21l. Generally.
(a) Any open vehicular use area (excluding loading, unloading, and storage areas in theIoP and BG districts) containr-ng more than six thousand (6,000) square feet "f ;r, "" ;;;;(20) o: more vehicurar parking spaces, shall provide interior landscaping in accordance withthis division in addition to ..perimeter" Iandscaping. Interior larrasc"plrrg mry t" ;;i;;i;or island tSrpes.
(b) This division applies to interior landscaping of such areas.(Ord. No. 80, Art. VlI, S A, 12-rb-86)
Sec. 2$l2l2. Landscape area.
(a) For each one hundred Ofi)) square feet, or fraction thereof, of vehicular use area, five(5) square feet of landscaped area shall be provided.
- (b) The minimum landscape area permitted shall be sixty.four (64) square feet, with afour-foot minimum dimension to all trees from edge ofpavement where vehicles overhang.
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Sec. 2G1255. Signs allowed without permit.
The following signs are allowed without a permit:
$ 20-1255
(1) campaigrr signs' not exceeding twenty-four (24) square feet in area. The sign must
contain the name of the person responsible for such sign, and that person shall be
responsible for its removar- such sigas shall remain for no ronger than seventy-frve
(75) days in any calendar year. The city sharl have the right to remove and destroy
signs not conforming to this paragraph.
(2) Directional signs.
a. On-premises sigrrs shall not be larger than four (4) square feet. The number of
signs shall not exceed four (4) unless approved by the city council.b. off-premises signs shalr be allowed only in situations where access is confusing
and traffic safety could be jeopardized or traffic could be inappropriately routei
through residential streets. The size of the sign shall be approved by the city
council and shall contain no advertising.
(3) Sigrrs or displays which contain or depict a message pertaining to a religious, nation-
al, state or local holiday and no other matter and which are displayed for a period not
to exceed seventy-frve (75) days in any calendar year.
(4)
(5)
(6)
Informational signs not exceeding sixteen (16) square feet.
Integral signs.
Motor fuel price sigas are permitted on the premises of any automobile service
station only ifsuch signs are affixed to the fuel pumps or are made an integral part ofa ground low profile or pylon business sign otherwise permitted in that zoning
district. Motor fuel price signs affrxed to a fuer pump shall not exceed four (4) square
feet in sign display area. When such signs are made an integral part ofa freestanding
business sigrr, the sign display area devoted to the price component shall not exceedthirty (30) percent of the total sign display area of the sign.
Nameplate signs not exceeding two (2) square feet.
Nonilluminated construction signs conlined to the site of the construction, alteratio.
or repair. Such a sign must be removed within one (1) year of the date of issuance of
the frrst building permit on the site and may be extended on an annual basis. one (1)
sign shall be permitted for each street the project abuts- commercial and industrial
signs may not exceed fifty (b0) square feet in sigrr area, and residential construction
signs may not exceed twenty-four (24) square feet in sign area.
O.S.H.A. signs.
Signs of a public, noncommercial nature erected by a governmental entity or agency
including safety signs, directional sigrrs to public facilities, trespassing signs, traffic
signs, signs indicating scenic or historical points of interest, memorial plaques andthe like.
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colrector street as designated as such in this chapter. such siga sha, be rocated so asnot to con-frict with tralfic visibility or street maintenance operations, and shall besecurely anchored to the ground.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. IX, $ 5, t2-15-86)
Sec. 2G1302. Neighborhood business and institutional districts.
The following signs shall be allowed by permit in any OI or B_l District:
(1) Ground low profrle business signs. One (1) ground low profile business or institu-tional sign not exceeding twenty_four (24) square feet of siga display area shall bepermitt€d per street frontage, vrith a maximum of two (2) such sigas per lot. SuJsign shall be located at least ten (10) feet from any property line and shall not exceedfrve (b) feet in height.
(2) Walr business sign. one.) wa, business sigrr shall be permitted per street frontagefor each business occupant within a building. The total of all wall mounted signdispray area sha, not exceed ten (10) percent of the totar area of each building wallupon which the signs are mounted, but no individual business sigr shatt icJtwenty-four (24) square feet in sign display area. A wau business sigrr shall ,rot be .
mounted upon the wall of any building which faces any adjoining residential districtwithout an intervening public street.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. IX, $ Z, 12-rb-86)
Sec. 2G.1303. Ilighway and general business districts.
The following signs shall be allowed by permit in any BH, BG, or BF District:(l) Ground low pro(ile business signs. One (1) ground low profile business sign shall bepermitted per street frontage, with a maximum of two (2) such sigas p"i lot. Sl.rchsigns shall not exceed eighty (g0) square feet in sigrr display area nor be greater thaneight (8) feet in height. such signs shal be locarld at reast ten (10) feet from ;;;property line' In no case sha, any lot contain more than two (2) freestanding businesssigns, whether such signs are pylon or ground low profile signs.
(2) folon business sigrr. One (1) pylon business sign, not exceeding sixty.four (64) squarefeet in sign display area, shall be permitted per lot. A pylon business sigo g."ut""than sixty-four (64) square feet, but equal to oi less than eighty (80) sqor"" eJr, rnr,be permitted after securing a conditional use permit. Such signs
"t uit tu to".t"a rtleast ten (10) feet from any property line, and shall not exceed twenty (20) fsgl i,height. In no case shall any lot contain more than two (2) freestanding bu"i*""
"irrr",whether such signs are pylon or ground low profile signs.
(3) Wall business sigrrs. one (1) rvarl business sign sha, be permitted per street frontagefor each business occupant within a buil<liig. The total of all wall mountcd sifrdisplay area shall not exceed fifteen ttS) perceit ofthe total area ofthe building wallupon which the signs are mountcd. No individual business sign shall
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(80) square feet in sign display area. A wall business sign may be mounted upon anywall of a principal building.
CITY OF
EHINH[SSEI[
690 COULTER DRIVE . P.O. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900
MEMORAND UM
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
SUBJ :
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Planning Commission
Larry Bro$rn, Staff nngLneerl9
November I0, 1988
Site Plan Review, Amoco Service StationFile No. 88-1I Site P1an, Amoco Corporation
This site is located on the northeast corner of State Highways 5
and 101. The site exists as Gary Brownrs service station.
The application submitted calls for the reconstruction of theexisting service station and the addition of the 1-bay automaticcar wash on the north side of the site. The 4-bay se]-f -serve car
wash labeled future addition is noL being considered at this time.Approval of the future addition will require a separate review.
In Iight of BRr{rs participation in the design and construction ofthe streets and utilities adjacent to this parcel , staff hasrequested that they review this application as it relates to the
downtown project. I have incorporated BRllts comments into thecontent of this report.
Sani tar Y Sewer
Municipal sanitary sewer service is available to the site by theexisting 10-inch diameter sanitary sevrer main located on thanortherly boundary of the site. The plans show three 4-inchdiamet,er sewer services (gas station, single bay car wash andfuture 4-bay car wash) florring into the existing 5-inch pvc ser-vice pipe. The 6-inch sanitary sewer service his been analyzedto ensure that adequate capacity exists for each 4-inch diameterservice. We find that the 6-inch sanitary sewer service will
accommod.ate the intended use.
Both of the proposed and future car washes are located approxi-mately 7 feet south of the existing sanitary sewer line. Althoughthe buildings are outside of the existing IS-foot utility ease-ment, replacement of the sanitary sewer main would endanger thefoundations of the building. It is recommended that thebuildings be moved to the iouth 5 feet to ensure the safety ofthe buildings.
P lann ing
November
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Commi ssion
10, 1988
The Minnesota Plumbing Code states that the sanitary sewer ser-
vices must have an inflammable r,raste separator prior to
discharging into the public sanitary sewer main. Details forthe inflammable waste separator sha11 be submitted for approval
Eo Lhe City Engineer prior to final approval .
wa terma i n
Municipal water service is available to t,he site from the 10-inch
diameter iratermain r'thich was constructed on Trunk Highway 101 aspart of t,he alorrntoern reconstruction project. Ihe plan accurately
shoers the location of the two water services which were extendedto the property boundary. It should be noted that the servicesthat have been extended are 1-inch diameter services versus the
connection proposed for the buildings as a 1l-inch diameter waterservice. It is recorunended that the future proposed 4-bay self-
serve car wash obtain water service from the 8-inch diameter
watermain located ailjacent to the northwest corner of the site.This would reduce the length of service and provide a separate
service for the future 4-bay car wash.
Acce s s
The site plan is proposing to have two tlriveways in the location
as they presently exist. The applicant should be aware that
MnDoT is proposing a center island along Trunk Highway 10I from
State Highway 5 to a point 400 feet north on 10I. This i-sIand,
as proposed, does not have any island cuts to permit a Iefts-handturning movement from lhe Amoco site onto State Highway I01. The
attached memo from MnDOT states that they will aIlow t\"ro entrancesto the Amoco site in their existing locations under the following
circumstances (refer to Attachment No. 1):
The applicants agree that they will reduce the number of
entrances and exits to one if the cut in the median for lfest'
79th Street occurs.
The new entrance will ine up wiEh the centerline of the pro-
posed curb opening and [{est 79th Street.
The memorandurn from Fred Hoisington, the City's consultant,
states that the southerly entrance should be constructetl as afull movement access, and not the right-in condit.ions as shown onthe plans.
Since the proposed 400-foot long center islantl for State Highway
101 would also have an impact to the existing and anticipatsed
businesses along tiest 79th Street, staff and Fred Hoisington have
been working with MnDOT to review the possibility of getting a
center istand cut which would be in line with t.he existing west
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November
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Commissionr0, 1988
79th Street. If MnDOT would a1low the center island cut, staffwould be recommending that the proposed entrance and exit for the
Amoco site be limited to one which would fall in line with theaccepted island cut and West 79th Street. This would decreasethe number of traffic conflict points within this area.
The plan also proposes a curb radius on the northerly access fromthe service st.ation to State Highway 101. The downtown construc-tion plans had originally cal1ed for this type of access to beconstructed as part of the Dolrntown Redevelopment projecti
however, the plan was revised due to objection froin the public toinclu<ie an open driveway apron to the cir lrash on the noith.Plans should be submitted for approval which indicate the detailsfor finishing.of the curb radius in this area prior to construc-tion. The driveway constructed as part of the-D6Ei-town
Redevelopment is a monolithic slab which will be difficult tochange or rnake additions to.
It should also be noted that with the widening of Highway 5,
UnDOT will require additional easement areas (refer to AttachmentNo. 1).
Grading and Drainage
The plans call for a 2-foot rvide curb cut on the south side ofthe property which will outlet drainage to the existing drainageswale along State Highway 5. This plan does not provicie any pro-tection from oil runoff from the proposed parking 1ot. It isalso likely that MnDOT wilI eliminate a portion oi this drainagecapacity through the widening of Highway 5.
The westerly two-thirds of this site has been accorunodatedthrough the Downtown Redevelopment drainage plan. It is
recomrnended that the plans be revised to incorporate a stormselver system which would drain into the City system andultimately through the Cityts downtown ponding site.
Erosion Control
The plans docontrol planfinal review.
not address erosion control . A revised
sha11 be subnitted to the City Engineer
eros 10nprior to
Recommended Conditions
1 The future addition of the 4-bay self-serve car wash is notbeing considered at this time. Approval for this futureaddition will require a separate review.
Plann i ng
Novembe r
Page 4
Commission10, rg88
2 The applicant shall furnish in writing a statement that AmocoOiI Company is willing to reduce the number of entrances andexits to the site to a total nuinber of one if iifnDOT grantsthe City a median cut for the proposed island on State Trunk
Highway 101. This entrance woulil fall directly in tine withthe centerline of West 79th Street. The costs for thereconstruction would be at Amocors sole expense. This state-ment shall be provided to the City prior to final site plan
approval .
The plans shall be revised to include the proper storm sewerfacilities rvhich connect to the City's storm sei,rer system.The proposed curb cut near State Highi,ray 5 will not beaccepted.
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5. Details for the construction of the curb radiusnortherly access will be provided for approvalEngineer prior to final approval .
6. The proposed buildings shall be moved five feetsuch that'adequate maintenance for the existingbe provided.
4. A revised erosion control plan shaI1Engineer for approval prior to final
Attachmen t s
1 Memo from l4nDOT dated October 24, L988.
be subnitted to the Citysite plan approval .
for the
by the City
to Ehe southutilities may
{ffi Minnesota
Department of Transportation
District 5
2055 No. Lilac Drive
Golden Valley, Minnesota 55422
(612)593, Rq?7
October 24, 1988
Ms. Jo Ann Olsen, Asst. City planner
Clty of Chanhassen
690 coulter Drlve
P.O. Box 147
chanhassen, MN 5531?
Re: S. P. 1002-44 T.H.5
Review of proposed Amoco Oil conpany site plan
and Roman Roos site plan
Dear Jo Ann,
ave reviewed the above referenced site plans and have thelowing comments on each one:
Roman Roos S i.te plan
Thls proposed development is located Just west of theMini storage near Park Drlve. At this tine, lt appearsthat tire additional construction for expansion of T.H.5 will be south of the existing roadway. Based on ourprelininary plans and profile, we wouLd expect to needan additionaL S0i- 90' of right-of-way (see attachedplan). we are assumi,ng there will be no direct accessto T.H. 5.
Amoco slte Plan
This deveLopment is IoT.H. 5 and T.H. 101.has tvro access points
subnnitted proposes to
however, the southerly
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Our current preliminary plans for upgrading T.H. 5include proposed work on inplace T.H. 101 which wouldwiden 1t and also include constructlon of a centermedian. There wouLd be no left turns allowed to theseentrances on W. 79th SEreet to the west. This is
Mn,/DoT' s preferred plan.
OcT 2, '1988An Equal OpportunlaA Emploger
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October 24, 1988
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These prellnlnary plans vri1l be subnltted to the cltyfor revi.ew and approval . If 1t ts determined that aiopening 1n the island 1s necessary , then tfre anoco ---
Statton would have to be servea with one entraDcedirectly opposite W. 79th Street.
It should also be.noted that the proposed wldening onT.H. 101 nay require additlonal rlght-of_way from -tfre
Aaoco site. It is too early 1n the plannln! stage todeternine the exact anount ihat wi1l-be needed. -
If you have any questions or need additional lnfornatlon,please feel free to call ne.
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MEMORANDUM
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FROM:
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JoAnn O1sen, Assistant City Planner
Steve A. Kirchman, Building Inspector
September L2, L988
Planning Case 88-11 Site Plan (Amoco)
690 COULTER DHIVE ' P.O. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900
CITY OF
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One handicapped parking stal1 is required. Entire building and
approaches must be handicapped accessible.
North walls of car wash and self service car wash must be of I
hour construction with protected openings.
Canopy is a B-1 occupancy. Convenience store is B-2 occupancy.
The area enclosed by the canopy must be separated from the B-2
occupancy by t hour occupancy separation wa1l. A11 openings must
be t hour assemblies.
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CITY OF
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ME!!tORANDUH
TO: iro Ann Olsen, Assistant City Planner
FROM: Uark Littfin, Fire Inspector
DATE: November 4, 198 8
SUBJ: Amoco Site P1an, File No. 88-11 Site Plan
After review of the site plan for the new Amoco Station,the plans are acceptable and have no further comments attime.
690 COULTER DRIVE ' P.O, BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
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Land use Consultants Octobcr 20, 1988
Ms. JoAnne Olson, City Planner
City of Chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Re: Review of Amoco Site Plan dated October 6, 1988
4. The northerly entrance to the Amoco station can be located as
... i. desired by Amoco.
' It is my reconrr,en<iation that rhe City proceed with the arrproval of
the Site Plan accordingly but that Amoco be put on notice and agreein writing to one median cut at West 79th Srreet. If thcy wish to
move ahead under those circumstances and in full knowledge of the
City's position with respect to the median cut, we see no rc-ason whythey should be delayed further in acquiring needcd approvals.
I have reviewed the most recent Amoco Site Plan and conclude as
fol lows:
l. We recommend that no more than one median cut be provided in
Great Plains Boulevard and that such median cut be located at
West 79th Street.
2. The Right-in only south entry to the Amoco station simply will notwork. It will still serve all right and left-turn movements no
matter the 'skew.
3. The south driveway entrance should remain in
and move no closer to Hwy 5.
its present location
Sincerely,
Fred Hoisington
Consultant
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73OO Metro Blvd.
Sulte 525
Edlna. MN 55435
(6r 2) 835-9960
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Minnesota
Department of Transportation
District 5
2O55 No. Lilac Drive
Golden Valley, Minnesota 55422
(6121593- R5?7
Ms. Jo Ann Olsen, Asst. City PlannerCity of chanhassen
690 Coulter Drive
P.O. Box 147
chanhassen, MN 55 317
Re: S.P. 1002-44 T.H.5
Review of proposed Amoco OiI Conpany slte plan
and Roman Roos slte plan
Dear Jo Ann,
I have reviewed the above referenced site plans and have thefollowing comments on each one:
Roman Roos Site Plan
This proposed development is located just west of EheMini Storage near Park Drlve. At this time, 1t appearsthat the additional construction for expans j.on of T.H.
5 w111, be south of the existlng roadway. Based on ourprelininary plans and profile, we would expect to need
an additional 80'- 90' of right-of-way (see attachedplan). we are assuming there will be no direct accessto T.I{. 5.
Amoco Slte Plan
This development ls located in the N.E. quadrant ofT.H. 5 and T.H. 101. At the present time, the station
has two access points to T.H. 101. The plan as
submitted proposes to maintain two access points,
however, the southerly one would be one-way off of T.H
101.
Our current preliminary plans for upgrading T.H. 5
lnclude proposed work on inplace T.H. 101 which would
widen 1t and also include constructlon of a center
median. There would be no left turns allovred to these
entrances on w. 79th Street to the west. This is
I.{n,/DOT I s pref erred pIan.
ocT 2 5 1988
UI TY OF CHAN}iASSEN
An Equal OpportunltA EmploAer
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October 24, 7988
Jo Ann Ol6en
October 24, L988
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These preliminary plans will be submitted to the Cityfor review and approval . If it is deternined that anopening in the island 1s necessary , then the Anocostation would have to be served vrith one entrancedirectly opposite W. 79th Street.
It should also be noted that the proposed widening onT.H. 101 may require additional right-of-way fron the
Amoco site. It is too early in the planning stage to
determi,ne the exact arnount that will be needed.
ff you have any questions or need additj-onal information,please feel free to call ne.
Attachnents: (2)
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I.AND DEVBIOP}IBNT APPLICATION
CITT OF CEANEASSEN
690 Coulter Drive
Chanhassen, MN 55317(612) 937-1900
APPLICANT: Amcco oi1 com pany
ADDRESS 5001 W. SOrh Streer + 890 ADDRESS 500r I^r. Both streer, +
Bloominqton, MN 55437 oom t ton MN
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TELEPHONE (D Y time) (612)
REQUEST:
Zoning District Change
Zoning Appeal
Zoning Variance
Zoning Text Amendment
Land Use plan Anendment
Conditional Use permit
xxxxx site PIan Review
PROJEC? NAME
Zip Code
I31-7 5 20 TELEPHONE (6L2\ 83L-1520
Planned Unit Dev eLopme t-
Sketch PIanPrelininary PlanFinal Plan
Subdivi sion
5 54
1p Code
PRESENT LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION commercial
REQUESTED LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION conmerci.at-
PRESENT ZONING',BH,, Hiohwav &Bu l.ne ss Ser v tc es District
REoUESTED ZONING,,BH,, Hiqhwav & Bu siness Service Distri.ct
SIZE OF PROPERTY I .16 cres
N.}: C orner State +5 & state HI^IY * 101IOCATION
REASONS FOR TITIS REQUEST ro ar1 & rebu i1d inq the fac i 1i tvw for ra z ino
LEGAL DESCRIPTION (Attach legal if necessary) see Artached
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_ Platting
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This applj.cation nust be completed in fu1l and beclearly printed and must be iccomlani.a Uy al1 infpl?l: r:Fyired by applicable city'oiJinance provisErrrng thts application, you should confer wittr ttr
::-g:!::Tire the specifj.c ordinan.. "nd proceduralappttcable to your application.
FI LI NG INSTRUCTIONS:
FILING CE RTTFICATION:
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typewri.tten oiornation andions. Beforee City Planner
requir emen ts
The. undersibned_ representative of the aopli.cant herety eerti.fiestirat he is familiar erith the procedurar' ieguiremeni"-i,t - iii'applicable City Ordinances.
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CITY OF
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S'IAFF REPORT
P.C. DATE: Nov. 16, 1988
C.C. DATE: Dec. 12, 198g
CASE NO: 88-18 Sign
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n Variance Request to permit a pylon Sign in the, Industrial Office park DistricL
Lot 1 and 2, Block 2, Chanhassen Lakes Business park
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Metro Lakes West
7800 Park Drive
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IOPi future day care center
WATER AND SEWER:Water and sewer services are available
PEYSICAL CEARAC. :The site is the location of the mini-warehouse faci l ity
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November 15, 19 88
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The following signs are allowed by permit in the IOp District:
One ground
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Iow profile business sign per streettwo signs per lot. Such signs shallin sign display area nor be greater
frontage with anot exceed 80
than I feet in
One waII business sign shall bethe total vra1l mounted sign areatotal area of the building wa1l
and no individual business signssign display area.
permitted per street frontage.
sha1I not exceed 15t of the
upon which the signs are mountedshall exceed 80 square feet in
BACKGROUND
APPLICABLE REGULATIONS
The applicant received site plan approval for the mini-warehousefacility by the City Council on September 8, 1985 (Attachmenttt2t. As part of the site plan approval, the applicant wasrequired to provide berming and landscaping along Hwy. 5 toscreen the building.
ANALYS IS
The appJ,icant is requesting a sign variance to tshe IOp Districtto permit a pylon sign on the subject site. The proposed pylonsign is 50 square feet in sign area and 15 feet in height(Attachment *3). The pylon sign is also proposed to be t\dofaced. Attachment #4 shows the proposeil location of the pylon
s ign .
The sign ordinance permits properties in the IOp District ground
low profile signs with a maximum area of 80 square feet and 8feet in height and wa11 business signs with a maximum area of 80square feet. Since the site is located on Park Drive and Hrdy. 5,it is permitted two ground 1ow profile signs and tsro wall signs.
The ground 1ow profile signs must be located 10 feet from theproperty line.
The applicant is requesting the pylon sign and a variance to thesign ordinance because they feel lhat the signs permitted in theIOP District r{i1I noL be visible because of the berming andlandscaping along Hwy. 5. The applicant feels a hardship existsdue to the physical improvements made to the site.
For a variance to the sign ordinance to be granted, the applicantmust prove that enforcement of the ordinance causes undueharclship. Currently, the applicant has a temporary wa11 signlocated on the north side of the building facing Hwy.5. This sign
Metro takes West Mini-Storage Sign
November 16, 1988
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is easily visible to traffic on Hwy. 5. The applicant has the
right to have two ground low profile signs which can be as large
as 80 square feet. The signs musE be secback 10 feet from theproperty 1ine. The ground low profile signs could be located
on or into the existing berm, where they would easily be seen by
traffic both on H$ry. 5 and Park Drive. The applicant is alsopermitted two waII signs (80 square feet) hrhich can be seen from
Hwy. 5 and Park Drive. Therefore, staff does not feel that a
pylon sign is necessary for the applicant to be able to promote
che site and feels that the ground 1ow profile signs and waII
signs permitted in the IOP District are adequate to service the
site.
RECOMMENDATTON
Planning staff recommends che Planning commission adopt the
following moEion:
nThe Planning Commission reconmenils denial of Sign variance
RequesE #88-18. "
Should the Planning Commission feel that a pylon sign is
necessary and a variance should be grant.ed, the conrmission should
list the hardships for which the variance was granted.
ATTACHMENTS
Excerpts from City Code.City Council minutes dated September 8, 1986.Detail of proposed pylon sign.
Location of proposed pylon sign.Letter and photographs f rorn applicant.
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(4) Development identification signs. One (1) development identification sig.n, not ex-' c€eding sixty-four (64) square feet of sign display area, shall be permitted for each
major entrance into any commercial development of three (3) or more buiidings. For
the purposes ofthis paragraph, "major entrance" shall be defined as the intersection
of any local or collector street serving the identifred development with any arterial or
collector street so designated as such in this chapter. such signs shal be located so as
not to conllict with traffic visibility or street maintenance operations, and shall be
securely anchored to the grourd.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. tX, $ 7, 12-15€6)
S€c. 2&1304. trldustrial of6ce park signs.
The following signs shall be allowed by permit in any IOp District:
(1) Ground low profile business signs. One (1) ground low profrle business sigrr shall be
permitted per street frontage, with a maximum of two (2) such signs per lot. Such
sigr:s shall not exceed eighty (80) square feet in sign display area nor be greater than
eight (8) feet in height. such signs shan be located at reast ten (10) feet from any
property line.
(2) wall business signs. one (1) walr business sign sha be permitted per street frontage
for each business occupant within a building- The totar of all wall mounted sign
display area shall not exceed frfteen (15) percent of the total area of the bu ding wa
upon which the signs are mounted. No individual business sigrr shall exceed eighty
(80) square feet in sign display area. A wall business sign may be mounted upon any
wall of a principal building.
(3) Development identification signs. one (1) development identifrcation sign, not ex-
ceeding ninety (90) square feet of sign disptay area, shall be permitted for each major
entrance into any Industrial Office park of three (3) or more principal build.ings. For
the purposes of this paragraph, "major entrance" shall be defined as the intersection
of local, collector or aderial street serving the identified development vrith any
arterial or collector street so designated in this division. Such signs shall be tocated
so as not to conflict with tralfrc visibility or street maintenance operations, and shall
be securely anchored to the ground.
(Ord. No. 80, Art. IX, $ 8, 12-15-86)
Sec. 2(},f305. Central business district-
The following signs shall be allowed by permit in the B-3 District:
(1) wall business sign. one (1) wall business sign shall be permitted per street frontage
for each business occupant within a bu ding. The total of all wal mounted sign
display area shall not exceed fifteen (15) percent ofthe total area ofthe building wau
upon which the signs are mounted. No individual business sign shall exceed sixty_
four (64) square feet in sigrr display area. The design and location of a business signs
in this district shall be in keeping with the purpose and intent ofthis article and the
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PRELIMIMRY PTAT REQUEST TO CREATE 3 LOTS ,108 PIONEER TRAIL, DAVID HANSEN.
Mayor tlamilton moved, Oounci lman C€ving seconded to table this item until t}le
next regularly scheduled Council meetirg on September 22, 1986 pJrsuant to
David tlansent s request. All voted in favor and motion carried.
SITE PTAN REVIEW EPR A 64,391 SQUARE E1]gT MINI-WAREHOUSE FACILITY, TOTS 1 AND
2, BTOCK 2, CHANHASSEN IAKES BUSINESS PARK, LSR PROPERTIES.
Courrilwoman Watson also stated tlre fact that someone had brought up the fact
that Chanhassen meansi Sugar Maple in Irdian ard did tte appl icant plan on
using any Sugar Maple Trees in their larriscaping. Nick Rrehl, Architect
representing LSR Pro[Erties, stated they lrere lookirq into doirg research on
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Barbara Daqf: Tte site is located in the southwest corner of IH 5 ard Palk
Drive. As you recall, about a year ago the most interior lot was considered
by the @uncil for a site plan review for an irdustrial buildirg. However,
since then tfie plans have fallen through ard the appl icants are proposing ttre
mini-warehouse storage facility. The proposal contains 641000 square feet.
What is being proposed is the buildings ard the storage units are forming a
perimeter arourd the site ard containirg a&itional storage in tte site. A
24 hour -curity room is also proposed in the corner and there will be a
security gate at tlE entranG off of Park Court. TtE proposed tnurs rarge
between 5.09 a.m. arl lgi00 p.m. As you al,I may surmise, because of the
visibiliQr of this [Erticula! Iot, the city is very corcerned about the
appearance from tie major entrance into our communi ty. lte applicant has
propos€d lardscapirg al.ong tte [Erimeter of tte lot, especially alorg t]e nort]r
side adj acent to Ttl 5. Staff is recommerd ing ard the Planning C.orunission also
a[proved installation of add itional lardscaping. AIso, what is beirg dore on
the north side is that the rear of those units or the waII, what will be seenis approximately a 4 foot wall $rith cut-out-s alorg tte way. You can see those
on tl:e plans tl:at you have in your lEckets to break up the expanse a little as
erell as the lardscapirg will aid to that effect. Since the PlannirE
C-omm ission meeting, tie l,lanager ard the applicant met to discuss this whole
visibiliQr issue. We are satisified that you will not be able to see the
center of the site from IH 5. An extensi ve stand of mature vegetation in the
northwest corner of the site will also aid in screenirg of tlE proposed
develognent. Ihe Planning Commission recommerded approval of tie site plan
srbj ect to the four conlitions in the Staff Report. All bitunincus sur faces
must be lined with c!rcrete curb, installation of additional landscaping,
camplianoe with the Watershed Districtis requi rements, installatim of proper
erosion cantrol measures and the Commission added a fifth cordition which
requires that rp outside storage be [Ermitted whidr would protrude from thesite so t}at ]rou would be able to see it from adjacent streets ard properties.
their intent beirg that if storage is to ocEur on sitel fire but it stpuld not
be visible from adjacent streets and properties. With that, I know thatttE alplicants are here.
Courc ilwoman Watson said her big concern was the ap[Erance from ltl 5 arrl that
seemed to be addressed with the lardscaping. The only other question was whatmaterial was to be used in the wall. Mark Senn stated that it would be either
rock base brick or red brick.
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the hardiness of the sugar Maple Tree in beirg so close to a major road to seewhere an appropriate place to [xrt the Sugar Maple Trees and it would be noproblem to accomodate ttE plantirg of Sugar Maple Trees.
courc i lr^roman watson stated tlat she did not want any outside storage. lrark
senn stated that there would be rp outside storage, that the plan is notdesigned for outside storage arri ttrey do rpt intend to have any. Barbara Dacystated that outside storage is a perm itted accessory use in an IrdustrialDistrict and that is where that particular use of the land is allowed.
corrncilman Gevirg asked if the staff had dore any calcuratiorrs qr the densityof the green s[Ece. Barbara Dacy statd t]Et th; site was below t]re 7gB sothat was not an issue.
courc ilman @ving stated that he r.ranted to see the rardscaping requirementsfor plantirqs every 80 feet be reduced to every 25 feet to be in Jonformancewith the east side arrl the south side. Ttre applicants stated they had noproblem with that. Councilman Gevirg stated he was interested in tbe CityEtgineer's ca[unents ard ttEt everyrthing seemed to be in order as far asutilities, drairnge. streets. The only concem tlE City Erg ineer brought tothe attention of the city courcil rras potential for widening of TH 5 and whatthat might do to, not the proj ect because tte buidinq wiII be in place, but
when it happens tll" frontage of Tfl 5 wirr move close to the bul.rding and therest of the road could be shoved further to the north. Otherwise, he likedthe plan ard thought Oranhassen rEeded it arri was all for it.
Mayor fbmiltm Statd that he was surprised when he saw a storage facilityrike this being proposed for the industriar pa.rk. rn his mind -it didn't =""mto fit there ard he was not real pleasd in seeirg it there. rb understardsit is one of the trErmitted uses but at the same time it is not one of the useste was rookirg for in an irdustrial park Mayor thmilton also stated that heabsolutely did not erant any outside storage.
l4ayor Hamilt6 stated that in suctr a facility there is tfE possibility ofhazardous materials being brought in and stored in tfiese gaiages. l,ta-yor
Hamirton was thinkirg particularly of tte incident that nappenea abouf a yearago when a car b1er., r4r from explosives that were stored in the car. rb askedlrhat is to prevent the same t$E of irdividual frcm stor ing explosives in agarage facility similar to ttris ard having an accident whele ;meone courd beinjured again. tlark Sern stated that they can ard do control that forinsurance arrl other p-r4)oses. fhey will not allor., tle storage of hazardousmaterials in this facirity. There wilr be a 24 tnur a day ciretaker at thefacility. wtren something goes into these storage units, the caretaker will bethere. l4ayor rhm ilton asked if he inspected everl.thirg that goes intostorage. l'{ark senn stated that was the glrpose for security Elrposes ard partof security, as far as they are concerned, is what is goirq into storage.they do rpt want anyrthing bazardous going into there. Ihat is not to iy that
:omgone might not put a fishirg boat in ard there might be a little gas leftin t}re motor or something like that. There will be I statement in tieirrental materials ard brochures whidt puts a requirement on ttE appl icant todrain that stuff to any kind of mini.mal lever before storage. rhe other thingis that tre buildirgs are constructed totally of non-combuJtible material,s.
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Courcilwoman Watson stated she didn't see anl.thing about signage. Barbara
Daqf stated that frqn her understarding, the atplicants will propose orE signfor ttre protErty. l4ark Senn stated it would be located out by the TH 5 side.
TfEy hadn't decidd on which erd of tte buildirg it would be located.
@urcilr^roman Watson stated she didn't want a big red and white sign stamped on
the side of tbe building. Barbara Daqr stated that ttE sign ordinanoe will
give thsn ttre right to install a wall sign or a FD,lon sign.
Councilman Horn stated that tE was excited to hear there was goirg to be
another building in ttre industrial park and he shared Mayor llamilton's
disappointment in this tytE of facility in that locatiorL th understarrls thatit is an approved tlr5le of use ard ttere isn't much that can be done to deny it
but te is not terribly excited about this tlpe of facility at this location.
Back in tlle crcrner is a better location in his mind.
Councilman Geving wanted to clariflr cordition 5 which states that no outside
storage is permitted which would protrude above the wall. fts thought what wastryirg to be said was that ttEy did not favor any outside storage at a1I.
l,layor Hami lton stated that, as Barbara Dacy stated, outside storage is apermitted use so that would be a restriction if there were any outside
storage.
Counc i Iwoman Watson moved, @unciLman Geving seconded to approve the Site
Plan *85-7 on the Site PIan stamtEd "Received JuIy 23, 1986" for a 64,391
square foot Mini-Warehouse Eacility on tpts I and 2, Block 2, Chanhassen Lakes
Business Park, subj ect to tlE followirg corditions:
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isnrt anlthing to bum other than ttrc contents confined to that specific unit.
Mayor ltamilton stateal that if there was an explosion, it wouldnrt be confined
to one unit. Mark Senn stated that it would have to be quite an explosion.
Roman Roos stated that because of tle insrrance rates that ttEy will have to
be paying, they will be watching very closely for toxic materials that might
be stored. !E stated that it would be very hard to check every single box
that comes in br:t ttrey would be monitoring ttte cutents as closely as possible
because of the insurance demards it. l4ayor Hamilton stated that was his
cpmment. t nless it is in their Iease that every time they bring something in
that it is going to be looked at. Roman Roos stated there would be a
disclaimer that they would tEve to sign. Hayor Hamilton stated tttat a
disclaimer would save LSR frqn harm but not irdividuals who might get turt.
Roman Roos stated tlEt r,rith the lardscaping ard the w:all being built arourd
tbe perimeter of the facility, no orE would be able to see garage doors or
anl.thing from Ttl 5. Mayor riamilton stated that there was a big difference
between Victory Elelope or any other Iarge irrlustrial buildirgs ard it is notjust the visual. When you drive by ard see victory ErvelolE you know there
are hundreds of people working in there. When you drive by ard see your
facility, there is one employee. Mayor Hamitton said we ale talking about an
irdustrial site, prime lard, right in ttE heart of the best locatiors of the
$rhole irdustrial park ard you have one lErson working tttere. bman Roos
stated the proj ecE provided a good tax base.
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CI]NSIDER FEASIBIL ITY STUDY FOR SANITARY SEWER SERI/ICE 10 WEST 55THSTREETy'CRESIVIEI^I DRI VE.
Bill Monk: Several months ago the City Counci 1 alproved preparation of afeasibiliQr studv for sani tar! *ro- o'tui-"Jilt ostn street arxl crestviewDrive based on information pr-o"ial bt-;;;i"rrd residents in the area aboutirnperable ard failirp septic systern" '.rr:-tf,.t*rpprova.l. was based onsuhnission- of a petit-ion-- rtre -petiiion ,r.='"orritted by a number of residentsard in.reviewirg it, I made the dete.ri".iion tn.t ttEy representedapproximaterv 358 of the- homeowners in td;;J so the feasibirity study $rasfinarry put toqether. r'm a rittre uil "il,i-i-n- gurt.ng it comprete. councilh". F. study before then at this point -;;-. ;py hras sent to aII of thelesileS 0r effected propelty o"-*.= lrorg- tt= lroposea roure of the sewer whowould be proposed to Lre as5s55ed. Arthorigtr tiri" i" not a p'blic trearing,because of .my invorvement in this,p."j"*; l ili invite tbe residents in todiscuss this item with rhe qoqrcit' tith;i -*-.ioo""
ronighr so a tu1,discussion coutd take place before tt. priri" ri...i.g. try i;;; iJ-iot .ogumble the process but again, with the iri..u J"n." of my being here only fora fes, more days, I fiqured..thi. $r_as.tr= G-J;;i to get a fuIl discussiqr onthe item. what r wouid rike to do i; l;;;;'tnrorir, rh.-;;1";;;Ii"". .tthe report ard answer questions, go or& poi"ntiur .ost".
@nerar sites invorved are &{est 55th street ard crestview Drive, both west oflountf fgaA Il7. l,ry initiar thought wittr ttris pro:."t ,*-t"'*;;; il"="areas which are outside of the eiisting Municipar uruan servicl--e."i iii.t tr,.v$'ould not be servicable by gravity sew& ard that a rift station wourd have tobe.praced in the approx imatL tocaltion or trre rowest service point in the areawhidr would be at the crestvie$, orive/e rrz mt.."*tion ard then trmp Eo thenorth to an existino sanitary sewer turther *ittr on cR lr7. in i"l[iis utthe proposal a rittie bit cr6ser, rra i -"Tl'."irey
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3' compr iance with all 0f the watershed District's regulations on newconstruction.
4. Eosion crcntrol shall be instaued along the east, south ard westconstruction limir-s ard conform with cifu "turri"i" ioi'rfr i=urt zas noted qr D<hibit A.
5. No outside storage is tErmitted which would protrude above the warlarri rpuld be visible fion adjacent streets.
A1r voted in favor excEpt r€yor Hamirton rntro otr4losed. Ttre motion carried.
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Ms. JoAnn olsenCity of Chanhassen
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Dear Ms . Ol,sen:
Please find attached an application for zoning variancerel.ating to our l{etro Lakes West l.{ini-Storage project at 78OOPark Drive (SW corner of Highway 5 and park Drive). I havealso attached the required $75.00 fee.
originally we had planned on placing our signage
and East building faces abutting the Northeast cproject. Since the project is now substantially
have determined that this original pLan is no Iodue to the fact that the signage !ri11 not be visNorth face of the building.
As part of our agreement with the City we agreed to hold thebuilding elevation running para11el aLong Highway 5 toapproximately 5 feet in height. In addition, we agreed toprovide landscaping and a berm along this same stretch.
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A problem has arisen in that with the linited buildingelevation exposed and the placernent of the berm andlandscaping the previously designed signage schene rrould notbe visible. we have studied other afternatives relating toplacing the signage on the building and due to the lirnitedwa1l surface above grade r{e have been unable to find a decentalternative.
Consequently, we are proposing to eliminate the wa1I mountedsignage and have one pylon sign (double faced) as areplacernent. Please see the attached p]an. The pylon signwill be tastefully done and r,ri11 be of the highesl- gual ity.we would hope that the City srould look favorably on thisvariance given the circumstances. We believe iL was neveranyones intention to negatively affect the necessary projectidentification signage which rrould enable us to condult -
business i-n a reasonable fashion.
1OOC1 Wayzata Blvd. o Suite 1OO o Minnetonka MN 55343 o (6121 593-1177
Understandably, our nini-storage project, which isessentially warehousing, is cJ,assified as an industrial useand belongs in such an area. Mini-storage, however, is byits character a retail business which is-different irom n'ostwarehousing. Signage is a critical element in that thegeneral public i.s trying to seek us out to obtain retailstorage facilities to meet their tenporary needs.
Please donrt hesitate to contact ne should you have anyquestions or concerns.
S incerely,
Dlark O. Sennlletro Iakes West l{ini-Storage
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REQUEST:
Zonlng District Change
x Zoninq Variance
Zoning Text Amendment
Land Use plan Anendment
_ Conditional Use permit
Site plan Review
APPLICANT:
ADDRESS
zi P code
Planned Unit Development
_ sketch Plan
_ Preliminary plan
_ Final plan
Subdi vi s ion
_ Platting
_ Metes and Bounds
Stree t,/Eas ement Vacati,on
Wetlands permit
PROJECT NAME Metro Lakes West Mini-Storage
PRESENT IAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION Industrial
REOUESTED LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION
PRESENT ZONING Indusrrial
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USES PROPOSED N/A
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CHANHASSEN PLANNING COIITMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
NOVEMBER 2, L988
Chairman Conrad called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m..
MEMBERS PRESENT:
and Brian Bat zL i
Ladd Conrad, Steve Emmings, Annette EIlson, Davial Heala
I.IEMBERS ABSENT: Tim Erhart and Jim Wildermuth
STAFF PRESENT: Larry Brown,
Planning Consultant
Asst. City Engineer and Ered Hoisington,
SUBDIVISION OE 22.8 ACRES INTO 2 LOTS OF I.9 AND 29.9 ACRES ON PROPERTY
ZONED RR, RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND LOCATED ON CHES MAR DRIVE APPROXIMATELY 1
MILE NORTH OF HWY. 5, GINER GROSS, CHES MAR FARM REALTY.
This item r.ra s tabled per the applicantrs request.
Broh,n: Thatrs correct. That road will not be going in.
Conrad: Wherers it go i ng?
Brown: That roadway is part of Market Blvd.. you and see, it's not realclear here but ire will be proposing an entrance dorrn at this point here.Part of this crosses over into the Ward property and we consented toobtaining easements through the Ward property as part of the Lake Drivefeasibil.ity study for probably this access.
Conrad: This item is a public hearing so ererll open it up for public
comments. If therers a representative from Rosemount who would Iike tomake a conrment.
Bob Worthington: I'lI introduce our case on the applicatj on thatrs beforeyou. I'm Bob Worthington vrith opus corporation. we are going to be thedeveloper contractor for the Rosemount project which is going to beconsidered. The site plan item is last on your agenda, really theoperation for that is somewhat out of context if you don't take it withinthe area of concern, the entire site plan. In terms of the alterationpermit, that was filed in conjunction with a site plan and plat
WETLAND ALTERATION PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPHENT OF A CLASS A AND CTASS B
WETLAND INTO STOR!{WATER RETENTION BASINS LOCATED AT OUTLOT A AND LOT 1,
BLOCK 1, CHANHASSEN LAKES BUSINESS PARK 3RD ADDITION, JUST NORTH OF LAKE
SUSAN AND WEST OF HIGHWAY 1OI, PROPERTY ZONED IOP, INDUSTRIAT OFFICE PARK,
ROSEMOUNT, rNC..
Larry Brown presented the staff report.
Conrad: Just a quick question Larry. The road between the tr4ro is not analternative, is that right for whatever the option is that CityCouncil. ..?
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application for the property on which the Rosemount devetopment is bejngproposed. The Wetland Alteration was and should be considered in thecontext not only of preservatj.on of wetlands but also in terms of theoverall drainage, overland drainage program that vre are proposing for thesite. We have two wetlands that are being shown on the p1an. One is aIarge wetland that the City identified as a Type A wetland. The smaller
one is a Type B wetland. we have gone through several analysis, bothfield as weII as in house on both of the wetlands to determine how they
couLd be used to ass ist in handling discharge in the forn of stormerater
from the proposed Rosemount facility. The original proposal was to useboth iretlands to receive discharge from the parki ng lot area as weII as
from the building itself for the Rosemount facility and then to transferthe rrater that would be impounded within those wetlands into storm se$rer
which would be located beneath the nerily extended Lake Drive East as shownon that plan over to an area to be designated by the City which would becontroll,ed by the City and which would be used for further inpoundment ofwater before it would be discharged into Lake Susan. That as a natter offact is how we described originally the proposal in our EAW which ispending comment and final approval and the Declarat j.on of Negative Impactby the City. After analysis it was determined that a larger $retl,and wasvery valuable. It had some characteristics to it that even though it wasgoing to somerrhat be altered by an extension of Lake Drive East, erouldwarrant it's preservation. After consultation with the staff and the Eish
and Wildlife folks, it was determined that that hretland should bepreserved. A conduj.t or a pipe betereen the smaller wetland and the larger
wetland was the only water runoff discharge that would be allorred between
the storm water runoff as it left the site and was collected in the
smaller wetland then ultimately transferred to the stormwater piping
system that would be in Lake Drive East over again to the settlement area
which would be controlled by the City near Lake Susan Park and thenultimately to Lake Susan itself. So the only alteration that r"rerre
looking for this evening is to alter the smaller wetland. It wouLd
receive most of the discharge from the proposed facility and in most
normal circumstances would not have any need to have water which wouldoverflow out of it into the larger r.retland except in those times when you
have the lg0 year flood, then you r.rould receive some back up into thelarger wetland. The storm system that is being desj gned and bejng lookedat right now for the feasibility report for the City anticipates sizing
which would allow for all of the water that erould be discharged into thesmaller pond until it overflowed into the storm water system over into theponding area which is yet t.o be designated by the City and I think that
was a stipulation as contained in the site plan review which would be
considered next. Then ultimately into Lake Susan so the Alteration permit
that rrer re asking for is basically for the smaller hretland area only.
There is a larger $retland would renain pretty much intact with the
exception of having a small portion of it havj.ng to be restructured
through the extension of the Lake Drive East Boulevard or Road whi.ch isthe one that's to be constructed as a part of Rosemount so all of that
comlicated language I guess to kind of give some justj fication and some
background in terms of why werre Looking for an alteration permit for thatsretland.
Conrad: Have you read the staff report?
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Bob Worthington: I 'vestipulations conta i ned
resolve those . . .
read the staff report.within that report and
I have no objections to thewill work with staff to
Conrad: Okay, thanks Bob. ftrs afor any other public comments.
public hearing and we will open it up
Emmings moved, Batzli seconded to close the public hearing.favor and the motion carried. The public hearing was cloied.AII voted in
On the very southeast side you have that
doern to the Class A wetland. Is thatrapid runoff? I thought we tried to
Headla: On the Class A wetland.pipe carrying r4rater from the roadnormal practi.ce to try to get that
impede the runoff.
Brown: sometimes the roof runoff, due to the contaminants, leaves whatnot that blow around, the best place for them is to be directed straightinto the wetland r.rhere the nutrients can be stripped in that wetl-and andgo through that filtering process. Not very often do we have thesewetlands immediately adjacent to the site where it can do that .go towater methods such as trying to disperse the runoff into a sheet flowuntil such time as it reaches a body of water such as a wetland or a Lake.
Headla: r guess rrm so used to a sheet flow and r,m so anti-dyke and thatsort of thing, that creates a more rapid flow, I just have a hard timeunderstanding that concept.
Brown: Itrs not very often that we haveto the site where $re can take advantage
a
of
wet I and s
this.
immed j ately adj acent
Headla: So you t.hink the leaves andculvert and be dumped right in thereparking Iot? Okay.
Fred Hoisington: Let me just respond to that a rittle bit. one of thereasons we wanted that particular frow to drain into the wetl-and is ne doneed, at first we !{ere concerned about getting enough water into thewetrands to maintain it's level. we felt the roof drainage vras Ehe waythat-could be accomplished. One of the things that r^re talked alout ii', inthe interest of trying to strip whatever there is floating in thatmaterial here, the rdater that goes to the wetland, is there are ways youcan do that with a manhole and so forth before it gets to the wetranal tocoLlect whatever it is in that frow. That probably wourd be a good ideain this case but we do need to put some water in that wetrand just to makesure that it...and we felt the roof drains was the way to do that.
Headla: rn realry lret years, would it tend to be quite detrimental then?In years Iike thisr y€Sr it seems to fit real well but like iust a fer.,years ago when we had a 1ot more moisture coming down. If the pond isfull, it's going to be damaging to have a lot more water dump in thereright away?
everything wilI just go through thatrjght away? That,s taking it off the
Fred Hoisington: No. As a matter of fact, right now that entire site ora good share of that site is draining to that eretland. What we're goingto do is be cutting that off because $rerre going to divert aII of the$rater, almost all of the water in the parking lot and so forth into thiswetrand instead. what that's going to do is overflow j.nto the storm sewerfirst and as this storm sewer, a Lgg year frequency storm gets too full,what it will do is it wirr back some additionar water into this wetlandbut it wirr onry be a temporary thing. Just kind of a hotding pattern andthen it wiII be eliminated and continue off into the storm sewer. Thequestion is, if before all of this was draining into it, now how do wekeep the level up? It will dry up is $rhat jt r.rill do over time so we needwater to support it and we decided that instead of taking it off theparking lots into here, that rre would take it off the roof directly in Ehewetland instead. So it,s a small amount of water.
Headla: Okay, I didn't understand that concept. That gets back to pages3 and 4. I was trying to understand srhat assumptions do you make for thattype of drainage to go that way but okay. I like that. On recommendationnumber 3, no more than 50E of the land around a Class B wetland shall besod or seeded. Is that pretty standard to go 50t on that? I guess Irmuncomfortable because I don't know.
Fred Hoisington: Irm not sure if that comes, apparently it doesthe Fish antt Wildlife Service in that case. One of the thj ngs we
concerned about that it not all be finished, polished, fertilized
Something was pushing against that. I don,t know where that 508from. I think itrs something you used before. Does that ring a
Headla: I feel uncomfortable. To me I think that,s high. Irmnot an expert on it and just shooting from the hip I question itthatrs aII I can do. Should I stop there or can I go onto...
come froD
were
area.
comes
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but
Conrad: Not to the site plan. Letts just stay on this.
Headla: Okay. I like what I see here.
Batzli: I tas curious, how far apart are the Class A and the Class Bwetlands right now? Approx imately.
Brorrn: Approximately 75 feet. We have lgg foot bid back there.
Batzli. LTA foot? I eras just curious because you're going to require
some grading of the Class B rretlands and yourre going to keep a 75 footstripe aII the way around the Class A wetlands, how are you going toaccomPlish both those tasks? Are you going to be able to?
Bob Worthington: Remember, this again, we're considering out of context.This should be considered as a parE of the site plan but this road whichis shown on the site plan which is no longer going to be there. So yourllbe eliminating those things that you did have then in these two wetllnds...this is going to be altered.
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Batzli: Right but theyr re only Lgg feet apart. youire going to have towalk a pretty fine line staying just 25 feet from the edge of the Class Bwetrands without altering within 75 feet of the class A wetlands, correct?
Bob Worthington: That's correct.
Batzli: what are you going to do,stake that off?
of construction will be to establish theBrordn: One of the initial stages
boundaries of construction limits.
Batzli: I guess I'd like to see, and this isnrt really wetlands, this issite plan more but kind of do what werve been trying to do in the past.Kind of snow fencing or staking off some of the areas that we're tiying topreserve around the existing stand of trees and the wetlands and things.
My only other question, I think it's a fairly good plan here. I was justcurious in the 5th, we have the impacts needs to be identified andappropriate measures taken. Whors going to do that? Is that somethingthat the applicant is going to provide?
Hoisington: There are a number of things Brian. Both of us are going toprovide things that there. The City is currently doing a feasibilitystudy on Lake Drive East and the new TH 10I so there are a whole lot ofdrainage questions that canrt really be answered right now because ofthat.. The applicant however wiII have to teII us what the volumes and soforth are going to be that will come into that wetland from drainage soyes, they will be providing some. The City wiII have to provide some asweII. It's kind of a melting of that information as we continue down lheroad.
Batzli: What do you thj.nk might be appropriate measures taken to satisfyanticipated pollution and/or nutrient loading impacts?
Hoisington: Itm not too concerned about the effects that we're likely tohave on a Class B wetland. I think we conceded, at least I have concededthat that is going to be altered and it's going to carry the first flushof erater from this site for a Iong period of time. What's going to
happen, Bob explained this but it's kind of, the rrater in the smalliretland. . .Class B in the pipe and a portion of the required storage onsite will actually be born by the City in it,s downstream pond. When itdoes that, they are going to help pay for a certain portion of that
improvement because they're shifting their load off site. So most of thatadditional nutrient load is going to go directly into, the first wetLandinto the storm selrer into the Cityrs pond where it will be stripped. Itr.rill then trickle in a fashion down to Lake Susan through a rather longdrainage ditch. The one that already exists there. We think that wilL beadequately taken care of. One of the things werve been talking about fora long time erith respect to the silt and so forth, is to have a catchbasin in advance of the wetland itself to catch the siltr the sands andthose kinds of things. It will have to be cleaned out periodically but itdoes do the job extremely rdell.
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Batzli: What about the run off from the roof? What kind of roofgoing to be? Is it going to be an asphalt type roof? Is thatof impact you're going to look at from the runoff from the roof?
is it
the type
Bob Vlorthington:the site plan butfor the building.
would be better II'IcKenzie... John
answered asthe proj ect
That
John
guess to
McKenzie
be
is
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John McKenzie: The final selection of a roof system hasnrt beendetermined but it would either be a built up asphalt and gravel roof or aballasted single pl,y membrane. so in any event, we would make certain inworking with the staff that water that diains from that roof through theinterior roof drain system through the storm sewer to the wetland isconsistent with what we're looking at. I don,t think we have toanticipate any particurar probJ-em because of the Rosemount operation thatwould be dj.fferent than any other roof drainage. Werll just continue towork lrith the staff to see that those issues are resolved.
Batzli: Okay. I didn't have any more questions.
EIIson: I had some of the same ones that Bob just answered that Brianhad. It seems to me that if they can satisfy staff with most of thesetypes of things that are still open, then I'll be perfectly happy.
Emmings: Everything looks fine to me too. A lot of this stuff is prettytechnical and r don't appreciate it but the one thing that looked to me tobe kind of an inherent contradiction and maybe it's not is one of the 6conditions of the Fish and Wildlife Service is that, for the Class Bwetland yourre supposed to have an uneven rolling bottom on this Class Bwetland after itrs altered. One of the purposes is to provide forgingareas for wildlife feeding in shallow water. In the EAW it says thatthey're going to be excavating 6 to 8 feet, naking it 6 to 8 feet deeper.Those 2 things don't seem compatible with one another to ne. I don'tknow, am I missing something?
Broh,n: I think r.rhat happens is we have to again, take the conditions
two different bodies and combine them. provide an area where it'ssufficient for eril"dlife to come in and habitat. Holrever, I think theis basically getting at trying to get that stormwater retention volumethat I s necessary.
fr om
EAW
Emmings: It seems to me we're making a pond here, not a wetland and Idonrt think we ought to have this condition on here from the Fish andWildlife Service. It seems to me that,s inappropriate for what they, retrying to do with that pond which I think is a right thing to do bul ralon't want to put a condition on here that they can,t possibly meet. Idonrt know what we can do about it.
Hoisington: Steve, I agree. When I first looked down through this list,I found two that I had questions marks. It appears, also (b). (b) and(c) . There is a possibiLity I suppose in some slopes but this is a fairlysmall lretland. It's designed, built to do what itts going to do here.
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Emmings: But these conditions are for when you're trying to keepwetland, not when yourre making a pond out of it. I guess I don,tr.rhy we should impose the Fish and Wildlife Service requirements onwetland, or what's going to be a pond. Maybe we should take themI donrt knovr if any of them are appropriate.
Conrad: I donrt knos, either.
it as a
know
that
all of f .
Hoisington: Maybe what
can to obtain these. Iand (c).
you can do is suggest that we strive as best wethink werre going to have a real problem with (b)
Emmings: Since wetre not trying to preserve it's character as a Ctass Bwetland but werre actually converting it into a pond, I guess myinclination would be just to take out number 4. the more I thi;k aboutthe less appropriate it seems. That's my only comment.
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Bob Worthington: To reconcile with...therers no question that werrecreating the capacity for the storm water runoff that is needed . . . doesn I tmake sense. Maybe itts at the edges you create... It,s only a thought.You will find some wirdlife that wi 1r go to the edge and rook for food andgo through some growth in terms of aquatic vegetat ion that wj.1l come up atthe edges. Maybe that's r,rhat the Fish and Wildlife people are lookingfor. Creating at least some medium there where the deer come down andwant to drink...they can do thaE.
Emmings: I think too, these 5 conditions they put on, everytime vre altera wetland, they put these same 5 down. These $reren, t designed with thisin mind at all. They,re just standard conditions. Maybe what we could doto keep it in is say, just add in there before, say the alteration of theClass B wetland, to the extent possible shall conform to the sixconditions. Then maybe we,ve made it meaningless but at least...
Headla: I think yourve made it meaningless already. you say in areas ofshallow water. Thatrs self Iimiting right there. It doesn.t apply toanything before you do have shallor^r water. Thatrs at the end of (e) .
Encourage growth of emergent vegetation in areas of shallow water. So youdon't care about whatrs going on. I like thjs because vrhen I look at NearMountain, the pools of water they,ve got are very sterile. It's like aslrimming pool. wham, you've got water and then yourve got ground. you
don't have any shoreline at all. Ducks and geese can Iand there butthat's about it. I think you need some type of shoreline.
Conrad: Normally when we had a previous consultant that worked for the
DNR, Dr. Rockwell would always give us input. As you know our ordinancesays zero degregation. Usually what we get back from out experts wastalking a Iittle bit about that. In our kit tonight, f dontt have a cluevrhat Mr. Burke is talking about. Normally they fill out our forms andtalk to us in our language. What Irve got here isn,t really anythj.ng thatI feel comfortable with. Hers just reatly doing a different routine thanwhat wetre used to. I've always trusted those people because they knehrour ordinance. I've alvrays gone along with them. When they said it,s nota good wetland, a non- functi on j. ng r.retland, $rerve applied that reasoning to
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allowing it to be altered. Irm real comfortable with that. In thiscase, I donrt know what theyr re saying. They didn't say. We've done areal good job in the past of listening to them, using them as experts butjust letting them apply their guidance to it and r.rh en they said it's not afunctioning wetland and I think wetve typically allowed that it beutilized for drainage and werre not going to protect something thatrs notthat valuable. In this particular case, I still don't know if there was avalue to it and werve applied that to those reasonings or that rationaleto every other rretland that werve Iooked at until this one. Anotherpoint, on his comments, and Irm just not able to send comments back to theproposal or to the arteration. version I versus version 2. on his secondpage he made some comments, storm water storage, I would reconmend the useof concrete cisterns...to aid in reducing insoluble pollutants. Has anyof that been incorporated into what, are any of those comments bound inlothe proposal or did we just say thatrs not important?
Hoisington: I don't see them in there Ladd. I think that is probably oneof the most important things he says.
Conrad: Yes, and nobody's responded to me on it.. I haven,t got the staffreport telling me that we donrt think that's important or we do. I have aproblem with these tero. Not that Irm against the dredging and making ofthe pond. It seems reasonable. I just don,t have any good input wherestaff has spent the time to dissect what some consultant is telling methat I can't understand so I canrt vote on this. Somebody could make amotion and take it through provided staff provides more input by the timeit gets to City Council.
Emmings: I didnrt read that that cl.osely. It says too, no more than athird of the existing $rettand should be lxcavated- it says for aquatic
enhancement purposes.
Conrad: I just donrt know.
Emrnings: Yes, you I re right.
Conrad: I donrt know what he's talking about.
Hoisington: we're realry talking about a body of recommendations in thestaff report for our plans that yourve seen before. Apparently that,sbeen generally applied to wetland alterations in the piit. Myunderstanding and r was not present at the walk through the watlands butafter Jo Ann came back from that wark, the impression r had vras that thebig wetland ought to be preserved and the smalL wetland could besacrificed because it's a meadow wetland. Therers nothing there. when rread this, I see some inconsistencies in what he apparently told her andwhat this says. I don't understand...either. I think the importantthings that both of you have raised are to what degree will the...pollution of the parking rots, off of the roof, silt sands and those kindsof things before they enter the wetland. I think thatrs an inportantconsideration that we stirl have to vJork out as a process and ie wirr workthose out with Opus and Rosemount. They are minor things but they areimportant things in this case. the incoigruity with resiect to th3 degree
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of excavation,
Hnmings: Your
where it says
I can't explain. I don't
point on, for example thethey still have to assess
it could be.
know how to explain that
concrete cisterns may be
the wetland impacts.
to you.
i ncl uded
Conrad: Yes,
Emmings: Due
1ot.
to roof drainage. Actually, thaE will come from the parking
Brown: I think the point here is, and you can certainly open it fordiscussion but the point here is that the flow to the wetland needs to beregulated and Jo Ann talks in her report about how it can be 2 feet down
one day and 3 feet up the next day. I think that's what he's trying toget at here with this system because he srants a constant release rate into
those storm r^rater retention ponds such that the wetland is not affecteddail-y.
Conrad: Thatrs one side of it Larry, yes. In alL past wetland alterationpermits, Jo Ann and Dr. Rockwell or whoeverr s representing the DNR, tellus that theyrve reviewed the site. That they find that the wetland to begood, bad, indifferent, not needed or in great condition and useful.
Werve listened to that. If they say it's not a very valuable i{etland,wetre al,lowing that construction to take place and we don,t apply thestandards. I don't have that in my hands. I don't have somebody telling
me that which is inconsistent vrith $rhat werve done with everyboay else anathat makes me uncomfortable. Irve got tvro problems. One, Jo Ann is nothere, obviously, and she knows. She's the one that could solve ourproblem. Two, I'm not gettj.ng the same inforrnation, the same type ofinput that we typically get from those consulting people out there and Ican't interpret. I'm not smart enough to understand what he's saying and
why we didntt incorporate some of those things or if we did so I canrt
make a reconmendation.
Emmings: I | 11 take a at a mot ion.swrn9
talk
Emmings: I guess my notion is this. What I'm thinking is, that I would
propose to make a motion, I'm going to change the Ianguage in 4 just aIittle bit in that I would make a motion to approve this with directionsto staff to take your comments into account and to square $rhat appeared tobe conflicts in the Fish and Wildlife Service report with the staffrs
recommendation and explain that to the City Council vrhen it's presented
there.
Conrad:
EIIson:
Emmings:
Conrad: why donr t you to me about, what yourre thinking of.
Batzl i :
I'm comfortable with that.
Letts hear it.
You just heard it.
We didnrt hear your change to the language.
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I was wondering where he was going overall. Whether ere want andsort of discussing what kind of motion we want to make here.
Emmings: This is a pre-motion.
Itrs a question of whether lvanE it coming back here soit or if r.re want it to proceed and make sure that staffb of analyzing it but send it along to City Council lrith
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Iook at
good jo
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Emnings: My notion isexplain those technicalto, I donrt know.
that they areissues to me
we can
does aadditional
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all
technical issues and they cannight long and I'm probably going
Headla: I think youparticularly in theparking lot is goingin there.
brought up thespringtime vrheninto this pond,
good point abouthe grease andthere shouldn' t
can imag i ne
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Conrad: I don't understand. Remember what werve got goingTH-41 and werve got skimmers over there for a littie pirkingwe've got skimmer. Here werve got lrggg cars, or whalever r-have, I don't know what ne have.
Headla: Hoi{ever, on the other hand, thinferior quality of water right throughjustify being hardnosed on this?
on at TH 7 andIot. There
and we donrt
e Village allowed themselves tothat inmediate area so how can
put
$re
Headla: rrd rike to see 5 include some type of direction to staffa look at the pollution coming off, possible pollution coming offparking lot. If itrs appropriate action, they know more about itdo but at least highlight our concern.
Conrad: I donrt think we're being any harder nosed.
Batzli: I thought that was
Do you want to beef it up?
to take
the
than we
already included fron the current language.
see anything about parking lots. They talked about theHeadla: I didnr t
roof.
Conrad: Are you comfortable letting it fly out
Batzli: Yes, I already thought with clause 5 ingoing to be a 1ot of technical issues determinedfrom this meeting. I assumed that theyr re goingand the pollution and rrrhatever and theyr re goingdecisions and put in the appropriate devices forthat al ready.
of here?
there, that there wasdotrnstream, if you wiIl,to look at the impactsto make appropr ia teit. I kind of assumed
Conrad: Normally we see that stuff.
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Conrad: But theqretland .
other issue is, therers a road going right next to this
Conrad: So the Cityrs going t,o take care of this rdetland ifdoesnrt but I haven,t heard anythj.ng about that. This baby,spractical purposes but I guess from a consistency standpoint,hear and see the same stuff as we review th j.s. fspecially onproject like this. Steve, do you urant to make a motion?
Emmings: You mean Lake Drive East?
Conrad: No. Market Blvd., right?
Emmings: Thatrs on both sides. One of each side.
Enmings moved, Batzli seconded
approval of WeLland Alteration
cond i tions :
Ro semo un t
gone forIrd Iikea big
all
to
Emmings: I do. I r,rant to move thaE the planning Commission recomnendapproval of wetland Alteration permit #98-15 with the following conditionsand theyrll be the conditions set forth in the staff report rriih thefollowing alterations. I,d alter 4 so that after the word conform, theintroductory sentence to 4 would read, the alteration of the Class Bwetland shalr conform to the extent possible consistent with it's use as apond with the 5 conditions of the Fish and wildlife service as forlows.Number 5, r wourd add parking lots right after where it says roof drainageso it would say, rretland impacts due Lo roof drainage, par-king lots,an,d/ot backup from the storm water retention pond. Then rrd also, not asa condition but instruct staff to be sure to be prepared to exprain to thecity council what appeared to be specific suggeslions set forth in theBurke report from Fish and wildrife service with the recommendationstheyrve made so that we know aII those things have been considered.
Conrad: Is there a second?
BatzI i : Second.
that the Planning Commission recomrnend
Permit #88-15 with the following
Submittal of
preservation
to the Cl ass
a revised pl anof the Class AB wetland.
and calculations which verify the
wetland and shows the extent of aLteration
I
Batzli: I kno$r. Thatrs I guess why I asked the question about 5. Whatare you thinking of putting in.
Conrad: The only control you have is allowing it to proceed. you dontthave control of anything as letting it get out of your...
Emmings: In 5 maybe lte can just, after roof drain you can just add,parking lots.
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2 A 75 foot strip aroundnatural state.the Class A wetland shall be preserved in its
3
4
5.
6.
AIl
No
or
Mee t
voted
any
in
more than 5AZ of the land around the Classseeded. The remaining 562 shall remain in
B wetland shal1 be sodits natural state.
conform to the extentwith the six conditions of
The alteration of the Class B wetland shallpossible consistent wiEh itts use as a pondthe Fish and Wi.ldlife Service as followi:
a. The basin wiII have free form (no even-sided) shape to increaseshoreline length and provide isolated areas for feeding andresting bi rds.
b. The basin will have shallow enbankments with slopes of l0:I to2O:L fox at least 3gZ of the shorel.ine to encourage growth ofemergent vegetation as refuge and food for wildlife.
c. The basin will have uneven, rolling bottom contour for variablerdater depth to (a) provide foraging areas for species of wildlifefeeding in shallow water (0.5 - 3.0 feet) and (b) encourage growthof emergent vegetation in areas of shallow ldater and therebyincrease interspersion of open water with emergent vegetati6n.
d. The basin wiII have a layer of topsoiL (muck from an existingwetland being filled) on bottom o? basin to provide a suitablesubstrate for aquatic vegetation.
e. The basin wiII have water level control (culverts, riser pipe,etc.) to minimize disturbance of wildlife using the wettand.
f. The basin wiII have fringe of shrubs on upland surrounding thebasin to minirnize disturbances of wildlife using the wetland.
The wetland impacts due to roof drainage, parking lots and/or backupfrom the storm water retention pond need to be identified andappropriate measures taken to satisfy any anticipated porrution and,/ornutrient Ioading impacts.
and all conditi.ons of
favor and the motion
the Site Plan Approval *88-12.
carried.
Conrad: Larry, as a footnote. We have to have the right input on theright forms from the advisory bodies. we have to have that. rf we donrtget it, staff has got to interpret it for us- we also want staff to terlus how the impact relates to our ldetland ordinance. That has to be in thekit. r knov, Jo Ann, yourre not doing this and r know Jo Ann has got otherthings happening but r rdant Don to know that and Jo Ann shourd heir that.Rosemount shouldn't have to go through this. This should have beendebated before it got here and resolved.
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SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A 33O,OOg SQUARE FOOT OFEICE, WAREHOUSE AND
MANUFACTURING FACILITY LOCATED AT OUTLOT A AND LOT I, BLOCK I, CHANHASSEN
LAKES BUSINESS PARK 3RD ADDITION, JUST NORTH OE LAKE SUSAN AND WEST OT
HIGHWAY 101, PROPERTY ZONED IOP, INDUSTRIAL OFFICE PARK, ROSEMOUNT, INC.
Larry Broern presented the staff report.
Fred Hoisington: A couple of comments with regard to the site plan. Thiswhole process has been kind of an evolutionary one. One that most alL ofyou know since it's been here before for the platting and so forth, hasbeen one that because of the timing, the rapid pace that this thing is
moving on, and it was really one of the conditions under which the City
$ras selected. That rre could get in the ground in November, constructioncould start this year. Itrs necessitated that we kind of bring it to astage, resolve our problems and then take it to the next stage, resolveour problems. We knord you donrt Iike t.o see so many conditions on a siteplan as this one has. we fully understand that. The most difficult partof this rrhole thing has been the drainage. We think werve got aII of thethings that you're talking about just about r.rorked out. By the time itgets to Council, they will be erorked out. One piece of information thatstill is not available that $re know you like to look at, are architecturaldrawings or image of the building and so forth. What Rosemount and Opuspeople are willing to do is to come back to you on the tSth or srhateverwould be convenient and kind of go over that aspect of the building withyou. They had hoped they would have those drawings here tonight but
because of the very difficult schedule and the need to select a certainappropriate buiJ,ding...and so forth, we're not able to bring that to youtonight. What they kind of want to do is they want to run througheverything that they have committed to. Again, you'11 have to trust alittle on the staff in that Ehese conditions will in fact be fulfilled.Irm satisfied they will. I'm real pleased with where we are right now. Ididnrt think we could ever be this far along this soon in the process butyre are and Irm amazed at t.he progress that Opus has been able to make withthat charge. So $rith that, what I think what we'd like to do is have them
make a presentation. Give you a good feel for what it is thatrs beingproposed from their drawings and so forth. Ird like to introduce again,
Bob worthington vrho will give our presentation.
Bob Worthington: Fred has stated a precondition of, I guess of ourpresentation which we hope that you will take into consideration as we
evolve and weave our tale through the site plan this evening for
Rosemount. We are very pleased to be able to be standing before you a
month and a half I guess since we initiated the process with the City with
what we consider to be the completed site plan vrith a couple of minormodifications. Hopefully within the next week or two, we wiII complete anarchitectural statement for the building thich as Fred has stateal , r,re'II
be very happy to bring back to you to show you what the final...is goingto look like once itrs been comnitted to by the client. Before Iintroduce John Miller rrho is the chief architect with Opus Corporationresponsible for the evolution of the site plan as well as thearchitectural drawings which you wonrt review until later on. I wouldIike to go back a moment because, when I lvas before you on the plat, rdekind of gave you the plain vanilla envelope version of what Rosemount was
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alr about. why they wanted to be here and what they rearly intended to dowith the building once it,s completed. Of course, I couldnrt do as good ajob as the person vrho would be with us and shortly couLd do, from
Rosemount who has kind of rived with this dream, seen it evolve and now isfinishing up the final touches of it before we go into a constructionmode. I think that the story that he has to tetl in terms of $rhy theyhave chosen Chanhassen, what they intend to be doing in this tuifaing,needs to be told before we launch into very pragmatic and to the pointdiscussion of the site plan so without, if you can bear with me for amoment, rrd like to introduce Jeff schmidt with Rosemount corporation whowill tell you a good story.
Jeff Schmidt: Good evening. My nameof Company Services for Rosemount andfor the facilities for our organizatinational and internationally. Rosemofounded in Minnesota. In Rosemount
A majority, as a matter of fact, alhave acquired other companies throuacquisitions but our growth has beefacilities, five major facilities i
is Jeff Schmidt. I'm Vice president
I, in that capacity am responsibleon in the T$rin Cities area andunt is a 32 year old company that wasMinnesota. Werve grown in Minnesota.our growth has been in Minnesota. Weour parent...and our ownin the State. We currently have fivethe Twin Cities area. we are
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nheadquartered in Eden prairie. About g months ago rrre started an extensivesearch which included other states, as a matter 5f fact, and arso some offshore type locations, as where we should do and buird our world classmanufacturing facility to build our pressure transmitters which is theprecision instrumentation that's taLked about. this is a pressuretransmitter. It's something essentially this size. It is the majorproduct,.the largest product line within the Rosemount family. t[:isProject is by far the biggest thing that rre'|ve ever undertaken from a sizestandpoint and relative to an impact that it wilr have on our operation.we did this site search. was probably, when we got it narrowed down tothe state and decided in the T$rin city area, there were about 50 sites.rt got down to a comparison between chaska and chanhassen. we kno$, bothconmunities because we are crose in Eden prairie. we fert that thechanhassen site was the site that wourd best fit the kind of operationthat we want to have. I donrt know if any of you have ever seen ourfacilities but we are very sensitive to the aeithetics and to the green.we have parks in our Eden prairie facirity. vIe have softball fierds. webave amenities for our emproyees. we are very concerned about those kindsof things. we're concerned ibout vegetation and many of the conditionsthat go along with the site plan thai rre talk about ionight. We fullyintend to try to meet all of those in response to the cify's concerns andto make it an area that r.re think is going to be good for our employees.The building will have 766 people initiatty. It will be our faigeitsingle facility in the Twin- cilies area. we,re excited about chinhassenand we think weire good community citizens. vte have in other facilitiesand I think in talking to those governments or if you,re talking topeople, they would say we are. we're excited abouL showing you at leastour prans that r.re have so far today and we were hoping thai we wourd havethe rest of them today but by next week we rdourd have more detairs on someof the erevations and the detairs of rdhat the building would look like.Ird like to introduce John Miller to present...
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Jeff Schmidt: I think one of the things that Ered mentioned, and it,sdifficult to make that determination here because you don't know. Wehaven't had an operation in Chanhassen or Chaska. you have to Look at thepeople yourre working with and you have to look at,get a feel for whatwould go faster. That vras an issue. I think probably the biggest thing
was the fact that we thought that the site was a beautiful site. wethought it would be a good place for employees to work and we thought
Chanhassen would be a good place for them to work. It was a little closerto our current operation. We did find in doing a study, when we lookedaround and started evaluatj-ng sites, that 25? of the employees Lhat rrecurrently have on the product line that we are going to move here, whichby the way werre moving 3 or 4 different faciL j.ties in Eden prairie andthatrs one of the reasons why werre under such a tight time schedule toget this done is we want to get those consolidated for efficiency reasons.
252 of the people in those operat.ions live to the south or to Ehe vrest, tothe south and west of our current facility so we're drawing from a largepopulation out here already. we felt that was good for those peopLe and
we didn't want to 90 out, we'd like to get a little closer for thosepeople that are on the other sj.de. I th j.nk it was the site basically thatsold it for us and the feeling that the City could allow us to go along asfast as $re have. And as Mr. Hoisington mentioned, Irm even more amazed at
where rrer re at today in the process. It was our plan several months agothat rre wanted to break ground on a site in November. There vrere a numberof delays, several of which were imposed by ourselves and by our parent
company but nonetheless we've got to a point where we might not meet thatexactly. We would hope to be very close.
Headla: Irm having a hard time with the area you're building
number of employees. It seems to be off by maybe 5gt. To say
manufacturing, are you trying to operate a black factory?
Jeff Schmidt: A black factory in that it's secret?
Headla: you turn off the lights. It's most 1y
world
using
automated.
and the
world class
Jeff Schmidt: No, that j.s not thedidn't coin ourselves but it's one
Class is a
to descr ibe
term
it.
case.
we I re
that we
BasicaIIy
Emmings: Can I just ask you real briefly. The product that you make inthis plant, vrhat is it and what does it do?
Jeff Schmidt: Itrs a pressure transmitter used in the process controlindustry and that would be an oil refinery or a pulp and paper miII. Itrsa transmitter that has a sensor erhich essentially is in the pipe or in theprocess. Instrumentation that measures the pressure. It takes thatpressure through an analog measurement and converts it to electronicsignal which is then used to go back to a computer which would helpcootrol that process for that factory. So it's taking an analog
measurement and converting it to an electronic measurement.
Conrad: Irve got a question. Briefly, when you compared Chaska to
Chanhassen for the site, what were the pros there and the pros here andthe cons in both?
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what we want world class to be is we want this facility to produce thekind of quality products that can be competitive in today's market andthat means some things. we're looking at different approaches Iike Justin Time engineering, Tehoochi methods for measurement and ce11manufacturing. We're going to have 700 people there initially. Thisfacility, we're hoping based on our projections, will give us growth spacefor the next at least 3 to 4, 5 years. And there vrill be more peoplegoing in there... We are not a very automated operation.
Headla: This is just Ehe...1gS?
Jeff Schmidt: This is essentially the people that
now in different operations around Eden prairie andthose that we feel we're going to have to hire overwhile we're constructing this building.
we have on line rightthe Tvrin Cities andthe next 12 months
John Miller: Itrs a real pleasure to be here in front of you and itrs areal pleasure to the be the designer for this facil ity for Rosemount. At
Opus i{e're totally convinced that they really want to make it a qualityproject out of this. Itrs very aesthetically pleasing. It's going toproject a strong image for them and that as a designer makes me feel goodabout it. I always like to work with that situation. I think we've beenthrough the site plan in several r"rays already. I,d like to maybe focus onthe building itself and what the concept of the building design is atlabout. We worked extensively with Rosemount up to this point finding outhow their operation wants to work. What type of functional requirementsthere are and I think r.retre getting a real strong handle on that.Basically the concept we have is that they need a large, very flexible,high base face that can function as manufacturing and also has office
sPace integral with that manufacturing space. As their product
development proceeds and evolves, the actual organization of these areaswithin this big, high base face would be altered. would be very flexible.In other words, office space could move around the various parts of thisIarge high base space. what we're talking about basicalty looking at thisplan here is the high base space which is 729 feet long, this dimension,by 4gS feet wide. We're talking there about 18 feet of clear buildingheight to the bottom of the joist and thatrs the area where we would havethe frexible type of arrangement between the manufacturing and the officespace. Now that might scare you thinking of a 700 foot plus dimension forthe building. Initially I was scared. I get over that easl.Iy. What weare.going to augment that basic building block is providing around theperimeter for additional functions that are of a fixed nature. rn other$rords, functions that will not be subject to the kind of change that wesee happening within the rarge building brock. Those would be things suchas mechanical rooms, major central utility areas rrhere services for thebuilding rrould be generated and dispersed throughout the building. Thereare what we call personnel service areas which are conference rooms,toilet rooms, break areas, some of these fixed type things with thingssuch as pLumbing where they dontt r./ant to be moveable. Those are locatedin various locations around the basic buirding bLock. we have a majorcafeteria on the south side of the major block which is almost 2g,OAAsquare feet. This is something that you r/ou1d not perceive having to bemoved at any point in time. Those types of things are lower ceiling
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heights and lower roof height types of buitding modules that will beplaced around this Iarger box to break up the impact of the long wallsthat would be on the basic building block. We have, as Jeff eluded to,
proceeded beyond this point as far as the elevation development has gone.
We're really excited about some of the things that are coming out of thisand I honestly think you'11 be amazed at what the product we come in withwiII actually be, the manufacturing facility that you think it might be soI'm looking forward to when we can bring in more detail on that. Irlljust briefly describe a little bit some of the locational requirements for
some of these building blocks. The biggest one is the cafeteria area onthe south that we located there so it can take advantage of some of theviews to the Lake Susan. We've got it nestled in some major oak treesthere right along the crest of that hill. This is going to be a real niceamenity space for the people working in the building so I think that has
worked out very well. Werve got several of the break areas that are alsoin that south face of the building that we take advantage of those to useas a green space. The building as it functions, we have two basic productlines that are on each half of the building and along this north face ofthe building you'II see a Iarge, one of these large areas that is, therersa central utility area in the center of that. To the side of that areaare tlro loading dock areas which provide service to the two halves of theproduction area. we are providing across from those berming as necessaryto screen those docks so they would not be a negative impact on a site.
Now along with having two production areas on both ends of the building,obviously we have people vrorking in both of those areas so we providedparking on the east side of the building and on the west sj.de of thebuiJ.ding with two major entries from each end of the building. Visitors
coming to the building woutd primarily come in the east side of thebuiJ.ding off of the Market BIvd. access into a turn around into the eastentry of the building. Thatrs where the visitors would encounter thebuilding. Other than that, until \rre can come in with more information asto the facade and the exterior treatment of the buiJ.ding, I'm here to
answer any questions you might have regarding site plan and building
concept.
Headla: Whatrs your rationale for the 18 foot height?
John Miller: We had the parameters we were given is that they want IIfeet of clear height for installing the $/ork stations as are required aswell as for movement of materials through the plant so there would be no
encroachment on that limit for height. Then above that we've got 7 feetthat we are allowing for all horizontal runs of utilities, of lights, ofrrhatever technical types of support equipment is necessary to get the workstations and the assembly stations to function. So that's where ourceiling height evolved.
Conrad: You're not breaking the parking Iot up much. Any reasonthat? Yourve broken it up in two basicalJ.y, east and west but wecars on each side but it looks like it's just mass parking.
for
have 500
John Miller: One of the things we run up against in Minnesota is inalmost aII of our projects hrerd like to put more plantings in the parkingareas. However, the snow removal gets to be a major factor and the more
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islands we have, the more of a hinderance that is to getting the snow offin a big hurry and being able to pile it somewhere up in the perimeter.so $re provided some green areas between the parking lot and particularryalong side major entry roads and this kind of thing but more formaintenance reasons $re try to minimize that. When the c1 imate changes,
wer II probably...
Conrad: Itrs a lot of cars for one spot.
John Miller: It is a lot of cars. I donrt think it's extraordinarythough considering what has been done.
Ellson: What are the hours of operation? This is a factory so does itstart by 7:30 in the morning or?
Jeff Schmidt: We utilize flexible
have to work from 9.gg a.m. in theas 6:36. There could be instancesbasis and come in possibly at 5:30
coming in between 6:30 and 8:00 isthen. We do run a second shift 4That would go until approximatelyhour a day shift. So there wouldshift and 4 on niqht.
hours and that means that employeesday shift but they can come in as early
where people would come on an overtimebut general the population would bethe normal starting time. Eight hours
days a week, Monday through Thursday.
216g ia the morning. Itrs a 4 day, 10be 5 r^rorking days. . .working days on day
Batzli: The dotted line atthat for?the far end of the building there, what is
John Miller: There wirl most likely be future building deveropment on thesite. However, that is real).y quite undefined at this point and just dueto the nature of the product deveropment and not being able to define howmuch square footage need there would be in the future, we really havenrttried to get into that in too much detaiL. This is perhaps the mostlikely scenario however. Where you would just extend Ehe 4gg foot widebuilding. by going out to the west of the building. Again, emphasizing theneed to keep the product flow and the organization within the block a3simple and as flexible as possible.
Batz1i: I guess the commentprovide enough space for theisnrt too far down the road.
was made that they hope that this
nexE 3 or 4 years so perhaps that
is going to
expansi on
Jeff Schmidt: That would be wonderful if that was the case.
Conrad: Any other questions of John1et him sit down for a few seconds?for you.
while
Werll
her s s tand i ng
probably have
or should we j ust
some quest ions
Bob worthington: werve reviewed the staff report and understand alr ofthe stipulations that have been listed and have no objections to any ofthem. One thing that happens r^rhen yourre evolving plans as quickly as wehave with this product for this project, there's a lot of discovery thattakes prace aLl of a sudden. one day something unknown becomes known and
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yourve got to make sure that... One of the things that the EAw speaks tois the question about archeologj.cal artifacts in the site. There is arequirement that you have to indicate in the EAW that there are nosignificant artifacts in terms of archeological and historic significancethat are on the site and are going t.o be disturbed or destroyed bydevelopment. We called the gistorical Society and...by noseirount to take
development, asked them if they through their mapping or through their...artifacts in this area could identify any on this site. The HistoricalSociety, after taking a day to look it over came back and said we hadinclusive information. That's probably one of the worse things that you
vrant to hear if you're in a fast track and you want to move very quickly
on the site. You'al like them to come back and say no, ...there may be
some concerns that any developer would have as they're going into... Inorder to come up with conclusive information vre commissioned aconsultant. . .r4rho was highly recommended by the Historical Soceity to go
out and do a site analysis. Come back with a report which we then coulddefinitively come to a conclusion relaEive to the significance ofartifacts out on the site. She just concluded in her study a week agowith a preliminary draft. The good news is that there are no significantartifacts left on the site... She did several digs and she found someartifacts but because of the fact that this site has been farmed for along period of time, most of those artifacts have been destroyed and sheexpected... Hovrever, she did discover two sites that had promise. Thesesites and I will pass this report around to you. We didn't prepare an
overhead. You can see the Ewo stars that are right within the setback
area for the building for the area that the building is goiog to be set
back from the lake.
Emmings: Theyrre on the slope?
Bob Worthington: Theyrre on the slope right next to the lake indicating
that they have some potential artifacts. They are going to be in an area
r.rhich will not be disturbed by the development. As a matter of fact, they
are going to be in an area which the City has identified as a public areain which the City would like to put a traileray system along the lakewithin and there is sometlring that now the City will have to, when it
designs itrs trailway will have to keep in nind if and when that trailhray
is ever implemented. So the good news is that we are not disturbing any
artifacls of significance on the site. Those two sites that have promise
are going to be within the wooded preserve area of the site which wilL not.
be disturbed by the Rosemount development which makes everybody happy.
Emmings: what did she find? You said she found something...
Bob Worthington: well, she went down and Irm not an archeologists but
found some artifacts in the form of pottery. Apparently the originalsettlers of this area, the Indians and their ancestors used Iakes and
waterways to put their camps on. They also, as you know, used in thisarea, quite a few of them for burial grounds. These werenrt burial,grounds but it looks like the two sites which she identified as opus I2, maybe it should have been Rosemount I and 2 but she identified them
Opus 1 and 2, she found some artifacts which would have indicated thatthat at some time in the past could have been used as a campsite by the
she
and
as
tribes which were in this area. Temporarily set up shop there as they
were foraging and hunting. She indicates that it will Eake further
digging to determine what kind of relationship those artifacts have to
what actually happened there. But the good news is, it's not going to be
disturbed and it will be left preserved forever as far as Rosemount is
concerned and as far as the City's interest in it. So I thought I $rould
bring that little fact to you and there will be other things that we will
be discovering. We're just receiving all, of our comments back now fromthe EAW. Some of the assumptions that werve made that werre going to be
receiving cornments back on. Of course we talk a lot about the overland
drainage issue which r.le haven't received a1l the comments back on but allthose things will have to come back and have to respond to. As a matterof fact, we have a meeting set up for some time this week with the people
from the Metropolitan Council who want to make sure that what werre doingin terms of phospherous discharge and handling of phospherous is going tobe adequate. For those of you $rho donrt know, we were able to get Barr
Engineering to join our team as our consultant in the area of thisphospherous issue. As you know, they are the consultants to the PurgatoryRiley Creek Watershed District. They went to the board and asked if theyfelt there was going to be a conflict of interest should they come on ourside and do this special research and analysis for us and the board
manager said that he didn't think there would be so they have come on and
done a very special technical report which I think is included with the
EAW that has been circulated and out for comment. They will, be
accompanying us over at the Metropolitan Council on this issue and wethink with the caliber of consultants that we've hired on that issue plus
what rrer re done with our expertise in-house to properly mitigate theimpacts that normally would occur should we not handle the water runoffissue properly. They will be able to take care of any concerns that theMetropolitan Council may have on that issue. So everything is evolving asFred stated. Everything kind of is bubbling here and there but it hasa...to come together and we apologize but because of the fast track natureof the project and because of the way your meetings are scheduled versus
how we're moving in terms of the development of plans. We can't bringeverything together in one fell swoop for you but werre willing, as amatter of fact we've invited ourselves back perhaps at your next meetingto kind of show you the finished product in terms of architecturaldrawings and by that time we should preEty vrell know any and aII commentsthat have been received back from others so that you can feel comfortablewith the fact that we have done everything we can to be as responsible as
we can as the developer is saying in bringing a world class facility tothe City of Chanhassen. So I just wanted to bring that one point up. We
have no objections to the stipulations within the staff report. We have acast of thousands as you might expect. I apologj ze for not intro-lucingeverybody. Mike Pescally who is sitting next to Jeff is with Rosemouni.
Jack is in the back is also with Rosemount and then the rest of the folksare with the Opus group. You've already met John. Christine peterson whois sitting next to John was the one person responsible for aLl the realestate development aspects of the project. This is John McKenzie, VicePresident for Opus is the chief honcho as vre call him in house in chargeof the project. Hers the one who makes sure everything gets done rightand on time. Dave Vangasser is also working with John and what will
happen is, as most of you know...what we caII a beauty contest rdhere all
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the presentations are done and all the fanfare is over, then it will beDavers responsibility to make sure that everything gets done right. So
Dave will be the person who will be handed the baton once lrer re done withthe approvals here at the City and move forward with the project. So thatbasically I guess is aII I have to say this evening. I appreciate yourtolerance and your time...it's an interesting one. One that hopefully isgoing to be a very important chapter for not only Opus and Rosemount butalso for the City of Chanhassen. We'd be happy to answer any questions.
Emmings: There are a rdorld record number of conditi.ons on this but given
the way the process is going, I think that's probably a necessity. It'salso nice I think of Rosemount to say theyrre excited about coming here
and Irm sure they realize that the City's very excited about having youcome. I think that has to be said. This is a wonderful thing for us tohave here. The only thing Irve got is more a matter of curiosity thananything else. Was it Detroit Deisel?
Conrad: Yes .
Emmings: And I r,rasn't here for that one but I got the history of it when
we did the Sunnybrook proposal and both of those created quite a lot of
comment from the folks who lived around the lake with concerns such asIighting antl noise and generation of a major manufacturing facility. A11kinds of concerns of the neighborhood. ALso brought the neighboringproperty here to just about every meeting and there were quite a number of
them, of meetings and we haven't seen those folks at all and I just dontt
know why.
Bob worthington: Is that the wards?
Emmings: The Wards were here and I think their primary concern
time was the road and I guess, there are things being done withhere but it's basically the same plan as for Sunnybrook I guess
the Wards arenrt concerned for that reason but we havenr t seen
neighbors at all.
at that
the road
so maybe
the
Fred Hoisington: i{e have been working with the wards very closely inorder to get something done with them so I think theyrre quite satisfied
Steve with !'rhatrs happening here. Now the neighbors, if you didn't knov,they had a neighborhood meeting but not very many people came... They
were aIl noticed.
Conrad: You mean all lakeshore owners were notified?
Fred Hoi sing ton: Right.
Emmings: Maybe theyrre just vrorn out from the other two. I donrt know.
Bob Worthington: Can I just comment on that because that was one of thefirst orders of business $ras to meet with the neighborhood and tell themof our plans. Even though only 3 showed up, 2 of them were the moreimportant neighborhood organizations within that area. One...sherepresented a number of neighbors and she was going to take back the story
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and if they didn't like it they would be here tonight. We were truLyexpecting that... By qnd large they were excited about our plans, ii youcan believe that, and felt that it was a good use of property as Iong ;swe handled alr the issues that you just identified. The noise and thefumes and righting. we indicated i;to our site plan that rde were going todo that and tord by staff things that they want to control are the-thiigsthat they are going to require us to control...
Emnings: I'm glad to
been given notice and
any other comments.
hear that theyrve been includedapparently theyr re sati sfied.and that they' ve
donrt really haveI
Conrad: Because they have been sopublic hearing, is that right?vocal. Site plan review Larry is not a
Brown: Thatrs correct. However, the plats were public hearings.
Conrad: Should have been.
Bob wor thing ton:
neighborhood. . .
We did have a schedule that we did nake for the
and noise. When
and itrs a concern.
be here toniqht if
conrad: rrm rearry concerned with what the city is doing. we announcethe public hearings. we inform the peopre erhen there's something thatrsimpacling them. rt's rearly not you. ihey have been so vocar in thepast, I don't think Ehey,re going to find inything bad here but notinvolving them and r'm hearing you say yourra inv6lving them but rrm kindof concerned a littre bit because they'ie not here. rhe last time DetroitDeisel was here, the rast time that a resort comprex was here, we had thisplace full. The concern, there were different uies at that time. ;;y;;--theyr re not concerned anymore that this use is affecting them. rhey irevery concerned with lighting and you do have a parking iot there th;t'srather close that basicalry glare shourd be a pioblem and rjm not totarrycomfortabre that we can sorve that but typicarly they do show up for tho3ethings. Irm kind of surprised.
Emmings: Are you talking about second shift activity?
Conrad: Yes, we're talking about night time activitiesyourre on a lake, yourre bouncing sound off that waterIim kind of surprised they're not here. They wouldnrtthey weren't conerned...but it's not a publii hearing.
Ellson: r rearry rike it. r agree with John in that it's nice to h,orkwith.somebody r.rho wants.Ig ao. everything right. we find peopre coming inr.ranting to change everything because of...oi what have yoi. I reallyenjoy seeing a plan rike this. r think it rooks go.g"oi,". That caf6teriain the woods and everything rike that, r think itis i great eray to usethis site. r think the biggest concern r have is aboui the treffic. rthink arl these peopre are probabLy going to be turning reft to get intohere and thatrs 7og people to 900 people to whatever, ih"n every6ody erseis going into the city and we know how congested TH 5 is going into thecity. r don'it knoer. we've got a reft hand turn thing fr6m MnDot outside
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Brown: ...thatrs something that wilr be addressed probably with the LakeDrive East feasibility. we have to go through, r anticipate a trafficgeneration study. They wirL be accessing obviousry Lake Drive connects upvrith the county Road. rt's a common reqriirement oi the county that ifthey exceed x number of cars...to arror., a continuous frow of the trafficaround the left hand turn movement.
Hoisington: As part of this whole TH 10r process, we had some additionalstudy done by Benshoof and Associates who did the broadened study areastudy- Ladd you may remember, we did a number of different alternatives.At that point we had several different scenarios where we looked at rH 161and what $re hrere trying to do is evaluate traffic impacts for each one.Rosemount was plugged into that traffic anarysis. Everything was updated.AII the Ianguage was updated. What we concluded from that, or whatBenshoof concluded vras that each of the three major intersections wouldoperate during the peak hour at rever of service D. very acceptabre leverof service. Now when we had TH 101 on the present TH LgL, creat plainsBlvd., it was a level of service C at Market, E at Great plains and D atthe Dakota. But r.rhen we moved TH 101 over to Market, we ended up with D,D, D and itrs going to work extremely well. Wetre not saying that youwonrt have an occasional problem but nonetheless, all the traffic analysisindicates a real good situation.
Ellson: At least they've looked at it.
Conrad: They have. Brian.
BatzIi: I appreciated the
artifacts overlay for the
The first thing I guess I
you have a chemicals roomtalk about yourre going tosanitary sewer system. Is
suspension in water ?
arti.facts findings. I propose that we have ancity to go along with aII of our other overlays.
wanted to ask about was the chemicals. I thinkhere and in your environmental statement yoube discharging suspended irons into munic ipalthat the normal state of affairs for Iead
Jeff Schmidt: Yes. Our current operatl.on vre are not a heavy chemicaluser. We do have a small pl,ating and cleaning lab that we have in ouroperation. During that you take some parts in to clean and then you dipthem in these things. Sometimes there will be some small places ofsuspended metals in those rinses that we have. Those are monitoredthrough the Metropolitan Waste Commission. we do tests every few monthson those things...putting them through the sanitary sewer system. ...butit's a very small quantity. We do have some degreising solvents andthings like that that $re use in our operation that we dispose ofthrough...approved hazardous waste or those kind of agencies that deal
of the superAmerica just for a neighborhood and r wondered vrhat werregoing to do. Just to have that backed up all on TH 5. I don.t know, Ican see that as being a problem around g.g6 or 7z3a or somethi.ng in l.iremorning with everybody trying to take a reft hand turn and there's nothingstopping the people from going into the city and nothing arlowing thosepeople to 9o around them or something. rrd rike to see somethin6 likethat.
$rith that kind of an operation. We take off the site...for disposal.
BatzIi: So you're basicalty covered pretty tightty by the FederalRegulations? AII the safety data sheets and all that other stuff.
Jeff Schmidt: Exactly.
Batzli: Is the storage room, are you talking large volume storage or doyou have the stuff taken out fairly often?
Jeff Schmidt: Wer re only allowed, I believe it's to keep things 30 days
maximum in storage. The quant.ities are very small.
Batzli: Hov, small is small? This is a big factory.
Jeff Schmidt: I guess I don't remember all those numbers. l,taybe 2barrels of a certain chemical. Maybe of the degreasing solvent orsomething like that. we do have a list of that and...could certainly makeavailabl,e.
Batzli: I didn't have an idea of erhat kind of chemicals really you weretalking about there. The other thing, I guess I did rrant to talk aboutthe fact that obviously the landscaping plan is going to be redone. Irmcurious if there is going t.o be shielding from the parking Lot, betweenthe parking lot and the lake. I know that yourre talking about anacceptable one will be provided but I donrt know, what are therequirements for screening from between a lake or something and a parkinglot? Is there any requirements?
Hoisington: Really Brian, the prinary J-andscaping isnrt between the lakeand the building. Itrs from the parking lot and it,s for the Ioadingareas behind. Those are the areas that Jo Ann has concerns about. itrewhole slope coming up from the lake is wooded now so the few trees thatare shown, Irm not sure if theyrre on this site plan but theyr re on thisone, ...more meadow trees. Not for the purpose of screening. The treesare already there.
Batzri: Yes. rf this is the one yourve got up there, they're not betr.reenthe lake and the parking lot. Theyrre bet$reen the buil,ding and the parkand the lake so the question is, if the neighbors have a concern and ifyourd rather look at trees than a parking lot r.rhen yourre on the lake, isthat something thatrs going to be provided for in the correctedIandscaping plan or no or can't you even see the parking lot from thelake?
Hoisington: For the most part, the trees that are there wiII screen theparking Iot.
Emmings: How high is the site above the level of the lake?
Batzli: Is it 50 feet above the lake there?
Hoisington: To the floorline, it's about 35 feet.
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Batzli : But then you're elevating the I i ghts
themselves should be
even higher up.
shielded but of courseBnmings: But the I ights
you I ve got the glovJ.
Batzli: Are shielded lights planned on being used?
Bob Wor th i ng ton :that are going to belighting...
same token, we need thethe facility. That would
for employees
some
.by the
using
security
require
Batzli: As itrs currently drawn, isfinished edge of the retention pond?this point does it?
the parking 1ot 75That doesn I t need
feet away from theto be amended at
Batzri: r guess my comment about either staking off or fencing off aroundthe class A wetland and around the trees that you're trying to keep so thebulrdozers doort run rampant through this stuff applies to this as welr.The one thing that I really I guess had my Uig question, actually maybetvro, condition 11 here. What is this in there for? That's basilall-ysaying that everything that werve got right now doesn't mean anythinlZ
Brown: No, I think the intent there is, there is obviously some opendoors which exist right now regarding the feasibility study of r,ake oriveEast. rn Gary warrenrs memo he states that there is more that need to bevrorked out. Admittedry it's kind of blanket statement Eo try to coverthese open doors...for the feasibility study to be completed.
Batzli: I guess I see that and rather than have to go through the staffreport and find arr the conditions in sufficient detair necessary forreviewing approvar, r assumed that's erhat the other conditions w6re tryingto do. Are you saying that there are some conditions that are in thereport that arenrt addressed currentry in the conditions that are in frontof us?
Bob Worthington:
it closer. werve
Itf s about LOg feet.
revised the. . .
being
1n
k out
Brown: I think there are options out there such as, one of thementrance on the easterly property boundary needs to be worked outconjunction with the feasibility report. In turn, we need to wortechnical details of the storm water retention.
Batzli: But arenrt those two already conditions? The storm waterretention is condition 19 again isn't it?
the
the
Brown: Yes.
The original concept plan showed
Batzli: so the entrance to the east isn't a condition right now?I thought that was already. Thatrs option B entry road, that one?Condition t?
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Hoisington: Brian, I think all they're saying with that numberthings that she is pointing to in these conditions need to showplan somewhere. That there should be a revised plan submittedal,I that detail is defined.
ll
up
as
is the
on the
soon as
site
the
Batzli: I guess do we not typically also tie this back into the, and
maybe it's already been done and I nissed it, dontt we normally this backinto the wetlands? Don,t we just kind of automatically put them back andforth on each other as one of the conditions of the wetland? Is that inhere? r guess r'd like to see that. A),though some of the conditions arein here already and I'm not sure if aII of them are or not. It seems thatat least 3 of thern were I think. My only other question is, the applicantis responsible for reimbursing the City for utilizing it's pondingfacilities. What are you envisioning?
Hoisington: What werre envisioning there is thatponding requirement wilI be met srith city pondingthere's a cost associated with that. TheyrlI paycost.
a portion of the onto the extent that,their fair share of
Batzli: Hord are you going to measure that?
Hoisington: That's part of the feasibility study that's being done rightnow. What they will determine is exactly...deficient. and thereforecalculate the costs associated with it to satisfy that need. Theconsultants are figuring that out novr.
Batzli: Do you mean yearly?
the cost assoc i ated?
Monthly? One time up front? What would be
Batzli: That's not on here
Commission's, what they' reinform us?
is it? Are you aware of thedoing with the trails on this Park and
matter?
Rec
Can you
Bob Worthington:
was reserved for
There was
trails.
an area dovrn near the bottom of that plat that
Bro$rn: At this point, as Irve discussed it with cary Warren, I talked aIittle bit briefly before the meeting with Rosemount and Opus staff isthat there's obviously costs. The incremental costs in enlarging ourproposed storm erater retention pond to accomodate the needs of the
Rosemount site. we can carculate that additional storage that.s requiredand in turn the additional cost required to get that storage. As Fredpointed out, they would be required up front to pay that incrementar cost.
BatzLi: One time? I dontt lrant to make it sound like Irm not welcoming
Rosemount with open arms. This is a worrd record for conditions t thini.The one other thing I had which is perhaps minor but, is the traildedication, whatever, is that normally done at the preliminary plattingprocess or is that done now or did we see that then or where?
Conrad: Usually itrs done now.
Batzli: Is Ehat normally one of the conditions?
Conrad: Normally it is. UsuaIIy we have a Park and Rec recommendation
that tells us what they're, because it affects the whole site in terms of
any easenents or whatever. I donrt see that.
Emmings: I donrt know. My recollection is that rrhen rre looked at the
same site for Sunnybrook, the only place that there's a trail that affectsthis site is right along the lake itself right?
Conrad: I don't recall it being a trail there.
Emmings: Oh, I thought there was. Or an easement at least.
Conrad: It seems like there should be.
Hoisington: There is an easement along the lakeshore.
Enmings: That exists.
Hoisington: That exists. There is sewer in that already and it's afairly wide easement. I've heard it mentioned as a trailway also. Is
there more that needs to be added to that Ladd?
conrad: Usually we have a recommendaLion from the Park and Rec as to whattheyrre looking for in terms of additional improvements or park dedicationo! srhateve!.
Bob Worthington: If I coul"d make just one commen!. The Park and
Recreation Commission did review, you might recaII, stipulated teroconditions to satisfy the park dedication fuod for the site. The fj.rst
was that the project dedicate 2 acres of land to the Lake Susan park which
would be... They also required somewhere in the neighborhood of
$32rggg.gg to be dedicated to the City in cash to satisfy the balance ofthe park dedication requirement... we feel that with those conditions, weare satisfying park dedication funds. There is an area reserved there
for trails. . .
Headla: Interesting on the landscape we don't put one tree back in there
that's native to that area. I think thatrs really a problem. I think
thatrs the Cityrs problem. I think we should...give them a choice and I
don't understand irhy we can't put trees back in there that are native.
I think we ought to do that.
Conrad: I thought that was a standard these days.
Headla: Juniper ' green spruce, basswood are native to that particular
place. I'd Iike to see a lot of deciduous trees, sonething like the maple
tree. Thatts going to become a pinecone if we keep going but I really
would like to see trees more native to that area. Thatrs a beautiful
area. why canrt we put trees like that in there? I would like to see
more trees, what Irm really thinking of is, now Irm going on the otherside but Iid like to see like highbush cranberry around the parking lot so
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as the cars come in. Take around christmas time. you get a rot oftraffic and the people out on the lake and on the other side see aLl thattraffic._- If you just had like highbush cranberry that are going to Utockarr the flashing of the car rights, the reflections won,t 9o out on therake. r think that courd help the whole area aestheticall! quite a bitand r don't think it's a whore rot of cost. Larry, for my own informationand r think this is the first time r've said this. r thi;k r kind ofunderstand.that type of operation that they want to put in there andtheyrre going to be, I think the inside of that buifiing is going to bevery dynamic. It's going to keep growing. The lines ui. going [o "nung..They are going to be changing offiies. Wh"n they start ..iooting por.rerand there's going to be some plumbing and stuff, do they get buiiaingpermits to do arl theirs or aie they free to do anythln! lirey prease to door how is that worked out?
Brohrn: If there are any major modifications to the building, they arerequired to submit any new modifications. to the buirding stiucturarry,they are required to get a building permit. As far i" 6r..[.i"ar poi"r,guess it comes dosrn to a public safeiy and enforcement issue. tf ihey doany rerouting of erectricity then it inoula be inspectea li-. ricensedelectrical inspector.
I
Headla: Should theytrying to do is makeinto a box later on.
answers.
or do they have a master electriciansure werve got some common thoughtsThatrs why I'm asking questions. I
do it? What Irmon it and not getdonrt have the
Jeff schmidt: one of Ehe things, you asked the question before about the18 foot high. one of the things we want to have in that 7 feet betlreenthe roof and where the operations are is because of the frexibirity thatwe needed, you're exactly right. There is going to be changing ani movingaround- we anticipate putting in a utirity-gri6 system wni6n iirr arrow -
us to run, when we construct the building grias thioughout the buirdi;g sothat rrhen we do things, h,e can move them eifectively 5y just unpluggingthem from here and moving them over there. we hope to, -that," ir*u6[ry-ttr"thing we hope to eriminafe is the majoi modification as we feer. we can,tgo into the cost or from a time stanEpoint to effecEivery do the things wehave to do.
Headla: To
what you I re
months to go
develop any
what they I re
aI ready?
me, vrhen you decided to put in a line or change a cell, that,sgot to do and youire not going to screw around and waii j -
through it. So do $re have some common thoughts or snouia ,"conmon guidelines so- they know whatrs expectad and you knowdoing and there isn,t a conflict or is ihat ..t.bli"a"J --"
Broern: The guidelines and restrictions have been established through theState Codes. Irm not real positive that it's the City's jurisdicti5n toenforce that. we may get invorved from a pubric safety slandpoint uutitrs all handred under, welr a Lot of it,s handlea "na6r-uil. rn tnutinstance the city wouldn't come involved but a rot.i-it irJt boils doi{nto their Iiability versus insurance versus something...
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Headla: So what
under stand i ng?
you're saying is there really 1S nO good rnutua I
Headla: Irm not thinking so much of an enforcement itself. Itrs just
good understanding of what the City can expect. I think I see rules
broken quite frequently but the company still have to get the job done
they donrt deliberately go out and abuse it but theyrve got to get the
done. Werve got to give them a certain amount of flexibility.
a
andjob
Bro$rn: Again, we would expect them to meet all the code requirements of
the UBC and I'm sure a facility of that magnitude would be inspectedby OSHA. Thatts about it. There's a clear understanding of that aspect.
Headla: So you have a master electrician who understands what's required
and they can go ahead and reroute? It shouldnrt be a problem?
Brown: I certainly hope so yes.
Headla: As long as they don't really disrupte the structure of the
building, okay. On item 15, the watermain extension should be consideredto be constructed. I don't know what should be considered means. Are $re
going to construct it or aren't r,re?
Brown: One of the key things that Gary was trying to get at, he was just
essentially trying to insure that Rosemount is obviously going to be
taking out a large volume of water and it's suggested here, it's not arequirement. I believe the way he stated it, he wants it consideredputting in an additional service out here just so they have another
source. obviously if they're going to be dependent upon that water
source, it's obviously a good idea to have more than one source. where
you get into a little bit of the vagueness, this kind of leads into
another point. This vratermain will be constructed as part of the new
Market Blvd. and that's why he's saying once the watermain exists they
should consider putting on some additional storage.
Headla:
so ur ce
AII werre saying is we recommend they look at making doubl,e
in their water supply?
Browns Thatrs correct. That leaves the City with another problem
which I know the Rosemount staff was very interested in. Condition 13
states that the fi,rst 56o feet of sanitary sewer which parallels the
easterly property line on the site will need to be constructed by
Rosemount. I think that's misstated in the condition. It should
continue to read, if the sanitary sewer line is not completed by the Lake
Drive project versus the need that Rosemount needs that. In other words,
werre saying that the City is proposing once again along with this
watermain to construct the sanitary serder line that runs down thisportion. Now Rosemount is very interested in using this, itrs called...
right now. If we donrt get to it first, then obviously Rosemount is going
to be interested in constructing that line before ere get there just based
on their need and date of occuPancy. Now when Gary wrote the report he
Brown: Not from a Cityrs enforcement policy, no.
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was under the understanding that Rosemount was going to need that sanitarysewer rine by Aprir L5th. Rosemount has crarified their position statingthat they wiII not be looking to put that sanitary sewer line in untilsometime in December of 1989 so with that in mind we're very optimisticthat we would be at that point but if we haven't got that portionconstructed due to delays or whatever, it would be Rosemount'sresponsibi I i ty.
Headla: So if lre
because they have
Brown: They would
credi ted.
stumble around andto put it in?
screw off then vre get the bonus
put it in. However, it would be either reimbursed or
Head 1a :
Brown:
Okay.
That's
They would get credit if they had to put it in?
correct.
16. I don't understand cooling water discharge. I thoughtthrough the other stuff. There wasnrt going to be anydischarge. That scares me. As soon as we open the door ondischarge, or at least what ny concept of cooling waterWhat did they really mean by that?
Head1a: I temit went r ightcooling watercooling wa terdischarge is.
Headla: Donrt ere
water and pour i ng
concerned about.
have a restrictionit down the drain?
on, just by
That's the
Bror.rn: This was one that r had a question mark by. They are going to berecycring some of the water and r linow a crassic ixample- is rnstant webbwhere, because they recycle water they got the credit for that and we needsome way of verifying that. The amount of water that they are recyclingversus the amount of hrater that they take and Gary's poinl was that weneeded some way to verify the credii that they releive for recycring that
wa ter .
using the heat out of theconcept that I'm
Brogrn: As was mentioned before, alImonitored by the Metropolitan wasteget a special permit for that.
Head1a: Werre not talking the sameunderstand what I'm talking about.
Hoisington: A11 it appears that
some documentation that they' refor whatever. . .
the discharge from the facilityControl Commission and they have
are
to
thing. Bob, I think one of
Do you have a conment?
you
Jeff schmidt: what rre do in Eden prairie right now for instance is rre dotake some cooling rdater and we do put it int6 the storm sewer and we doget credits on our sanitary sewer charge for that and sre meter thatuseage. rt is not our pran at this particular site to put that water, wepran an internar use for recycriog our water in this paiticular project.
she's asking for in this case Dave isdoing that so they get the proper credits
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Headla: Thatrs what theyr re really asking for is the documenEation. . .
Hoisington: When this first started we were talking about pumping itthe sanitary and storm sewer. What we concluded was that that didnrtany sense. In the long haul they should keep it and reuse it.
1n
ma ke
Headla: Fine. Okay, 17 I had the same thingto be a one time charge right? Okay. Thatts
as Brian. ItrsaII I have .
just goi ng
Hoisington: Irm not sure it is and I donrt think Jo Ann is saying it's
okay. What shers saying is there still needs to be some work done.
Conrad: And that brings up my next point. Therers so much work that
needs to be done, it's a question. This is fast track stuff folks but I
don't know if you knor,r rrhat yourre going to be approving if this goes outof here because it's all referring to something else or something in the
future. There are some things that I think $re've seen that make sense but
I don't want to send the city council the message that lre've reviewed
everything because we really haven't reviewed much of what this plan is
about. we havenrt found many problems with it but we haven't looked at it
or we haven't had a lot of staff input because we're on this so called
fast track. I havenrt seen the Park and Rec report vrhich we typically do.
Therefore, I personally feel comfortable forwarding it on but I personally
am not going to make a recommendation on it because I don't know what Irm
making a recommendation on other than Ietrs move this on.
Headla: Let me comment on that. First of all, I think I comprehend the
size of this parking Iot of the building because based on the soil
engineerts report, the parking lot Irm not really concerned. It's
Conrad: A couple thoughts. tarry, I want you to make sure that you
verify that lakeshore owners were notified and report to the City Councitthat they were or were not. In terms of screenj.ng on the lake, in termsof building elevation. With the trees that are left standing on the hilL,
does that screen the building from the residents on the other side? Anyanswers? The residents have always been terribly concerned about that andI am too. Itrs a big building and I want to break it up visually. Irmalso concerned about screeniog of the parking Iot on the Iake too. wedon't have standards but in this case I think ere have to take a look at
hov, vre're going to screen the parking lot. when somebody tells me that a
berm is going to take care of it, that's fine. A berm can do it, a hedge,but vre're got a big parking lot over there and we have to have theappropriate screening from the lake. Larry I want to find somebody in theplanning staff $rho may still be working for the City that can report tothe City Council what the impact of that parking Iot is in terms of how
massive the impervious surface is and whether we have broken it up
effectively through the use of green islands. I understand what ourfriends from Opus are saying about snow plotlring and I don't want toinhibit that. On the other hand, this is the biggest parking lot in thecity and we've always been, the planning staff has always been concerned
about breaking up. We're breaking up little lots with 12 cars in it.
Here we have 500 cars on one side and maybe it's okay. Nobody's talked to
me about it.
identicar to the one that m used to in the city. r feer comfortablewith this whole thing and the reason r feer comfortabte and budgets areerorking and r go by feel . r think there's a good fravor. r think thecityrs trying to herp and r think they are deiting in good faith with usand when you can erork it mutuarly, r think it,s an expiriment but when wecan.$rork it mutually and keep it going as fast as it -an, it's money intheir pocket. rtts to their advantage to... r think we can keep fiiendlywith this. ...then yourve got to taie a look at it but for righi ,ro, i -'
have a comfortable feeling on this.
conrad: r have no doubt. r think it's a good project and when you workwith.quality peopre and quarity projects tfiey typi6arry go on pretty irerr.r think r rike Bob working vrith the folks in the- neighioinood uecauie itworks far more effectivery on your rever than it doel once it gets intothe City's hands so I like whal I,m hearing Dave. Irm just notcomfortabre sending the signal to city couicir saying h6y, thir is arrperfect- r want them to review this criticarry a3 ii we-fypicatry do.When we say we like it, vre are saying we have iritically gLne tnr6ughevery point and the city councir, shourd feer pretty "o.ioit"bl". whetherthey do or not is a debate but when ere say fr6m a ltanning standpoint welike everything about this plan, r can't send that messag6. r vrant themto be as critical as I normally would be at their level .
Head1a: We could send them that message though.
Conrad: I'm just opening up that point.
Emmings: Annette and I r,rere kind of talking about the same thing. Thisproject is so different in scope than what we usuaLly deal with, itrsarmost a different kind. when you think about how wL rook at the mini-gorf or the driving range down here, we were much fussier about that thanwe are about this enormous facility. we went into that in a rot greaterdetair and that's ridicurous but r think you ar.most have to treat thisdifferently. I think you do have to go witn kind of a feeling, an overal-Ifeeling of whether or not you think y5u like the, you armost treat it moreconceptuarly than in detair and you itmost have to trust the staff on onethis big when werre trying to moie it through the way werre moving itthrough.. That they are going to e/ork out the technical details. Irmwrrrlng to cro that on this one but r kind of...what r hear from Ladd and rthink maybe it's srorth consi.dering doing is just saying we,re comfortabrewith this. thing - conceptuarry- vorl guys-with the st;ff; take our commentsinto consideration and werrE g"ner"iri ror it "onceptuulry but we.re notgoi-ng to tell you that ere thi;k that ihes" are the set conditions thatought to be applied ro this.
Headla: I don't think we should
Conrad: But staff hasnrt done it
Hnmings: Normally we do do that.
Conrad: Yes, normally wereview it, we review what
manage to that detail. Let staff.
yet .
do manage to what staff tellstheyrve done. Right now they
us. When they
haven I t done it.
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Emmings: But Ehj.s one is a little overwhelming in that regard and I don't
want to hang it up here. The choice seems to me is t.o table it until
there is a firm concrete plan. I don't want to do that. I don't want. to
hang them up here. Ird rather let the City Council do that work on this
one.
Conrad: Absol utel y.
HeadIa: one question
equipment needed for
improvement fund.
I did have. Is
this building. ..
any type of fire fighting
wait, next year the capital
ther e
Ju st
Conrad: Is there a motion?
Headla: Letts talk a little bit about it. I like the concept and Irm
thinking about next year already but talking about a motion a Iittle bitfirst. I think that helps us maybe get out a little bit better motion
although werve got a pro over at the end who can usually word j.t quite
thoroughly. How do you people feel about ...maybe from the actual
standards that the City set for trying to get more of the native
vegetation of trees and shrubs on sites Iike this? Do you think we should
try to fool around with that at all?
Conrad: I think that's a suggestion at this point in time that we can
make. we don't have a standard so if Rosemount wanEs to put in certainselect trees and vegetation, they can do that but thatrs something they
negotiate with the City. I think you can make it as a recoinmendation that
they strongty consider some native vegetatj.on but what I suggest to you
and you've mentioned this many tirnes and we donrt have any planning staff
to implement anything right now but I sure hoPe that we could get some
standards put in there in terms of how we want nee, developers to put in
the vegetation that we're requiring. The landscaping plan should have
some direction at least, some guidelines out there.
Headla 3 Therers got to be guidelines.
Conrad: Yes, there's got to be guidelines and it shouldn't be a surprise
and staff should have talked to the developer before they get here about
that and it's not us saying we want 2 more maple trees. It's staff saying
these are our standards and we'd kind of like you to do this type of
greenery or deciduous trees. They should be working srith the developer.
Typically theyr 11 do it but we don't have those standards right now and
werre not going to until we get planning staff.
Headta: Let me make a motion then that rre recommend approval
with the 25 conditions listed by the staff and item 13, Larry
wording there. You felt it should be a little bit different.
of #88-15you had some
Brown: If anyone has anyfor suggestions.
way of shortening it up, IrII certainly be open
PI ann i ng
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BatzIi: How about
event that the samethe applicant?
if we add at the end after the word Rosemount, in thehas not been constructed by the City lrhen required by
Head1a: So moved.
ElIson: He thought
Erunings: Just thatAlteration permit.
Headla: Yes, you provided that in.Werre talking item 26. Then 27, I,dstaff work with Rosemount on seeing ivegetation, trees and shrubs on thisother ones didn't t{e? I think thatrs
of the Wetland Alteration permit one.
they comply with all Ehe conditions of the Wetland
I thinklike tof we cansite. Iit.
we ought to tie that
see something worded
develop more nativethink we covered aII
in.
that the
the
Batzli: Ird like to propose a numberand Rec Committee recommendation.
28. Something to do with the park
Erlson: some sort of compliance with whatever theyr re recommending?
Batzli: Yes, well I'd like to knoi,, what it is. I hate to imposesomething that they're going to dedicate half the site to a park orsomething but at Ieast somehow or another that it gets in here.
Headla: It complies with the park and Rec reconunenda t i ons ?
Emmings: r think it's already been taken care of but you could r supposeyou could just say comply uith arl the park and Rec reiommendations,- ifany.
Batzli: I'd buy that. TheRecreation recomnenda t i ons,mouth.
applicant shall complyif any. Just take the
with Par k
r^ro rd s out
and
of your
Conrad:
Headla:
BatzIi:lot?
Do you r.rant to incLude that in your motion Dave?
Yes .
Did you want to include something about screening the parking
Conrad: We could. We should. If you don,t, I hrill.
Batzli: somewhere in here there was a clause already that revised pranssharr be submitted. r know t,hat one of them, here w! go, crause 6. sha1lprovide an amended randscaping plan which meets the re[uirements ofArticle xxv._ r guess rrd like to insert another sentence in condition Gthat says, the appricant irill erork erith city staff to provide appropriaiescreening for the parking areas from the lake and surrounaing homes'.
Conrad: Is that acceptable?
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Headla: Yes.
HeadIa moved, Ellson seconded that the Planning Commission recommendapproval of Site Plan Review #88-15 as shown on the site plan stamped
'rReceived October 14, 1988" and subject to the following conditions:
1. Option B entry road shall be used rather than the Option A entry
2. The location of trash receptacles shall be provided onplan and they shall be totally screened.
The applicant shall provide an amended landscapingthe requirements of the Article xxv. The applicant
city staff to provide appropriate screening for thethe lake and surrounding homes.
3
4
8
9
The parking lot shall maintain a 75 foot setback from the finished
edge of the Class B wetland.
The applicant shall meet the conditions of the !'ire Inspector as
stated in his memo dated October 17, 1988.
The applicant shall- meet the conditions of the Building Departnent asstated in his memo dated September 26, 1988.
an amended
road.
si te
plan vrh i ch meetswill work withparking areas from
6
l.The applicant shall preserve a 75 foot setback around the Class A
wetland.
The applicant shall preserve at least 5A* of the land around the Class
B wetland in its natural state.
The applicant shaLl provide a tree
size and number of any trees beingor more at 4 feet.
plan designatj.ng the type,
which have a 4 inch catiper
removal
removed
Lg. the applicant. shall provide additional screening north of the proposed
dock areas.
1r.
L2.
Revised plans shall be submitted for approval
conditions contained in the staff reports and
deEail necessary for review and approval. An
shall be included in the submittals as we1l.
addressing theincluding sufficient
erosion control pLan
Site grading along the Lake Drive and Market Boulevard roadways shall
be adjusted to coincide with finished roadway contours.
The first 5OO feet of sanitary sewer which parallels the easterly
property Iine on the site will need to be constructed by Rosemount in
the event that the same has not been constructed by the city when
required by the aPplicant. A 35 foot easement shall be dedicated
aLong the entire length of the proposed sanitary sewer stretch when
I3.
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2, 1988 - Page 36
its alignment has been established by the feasibility study.
A 35 foot utility easement shall also be dedicated along the westerlyIot line of the site along the alignment of the sanitary sewer asestablished by the feasibility study.
A lratermain extension should be considered to be constructed along thealignment of the southeast sanitary sewer service connection toprovide further redundancy to the Rosemount site with an ultimatehookup to the city's watermain on future Market Boulevard.
The internal piping scheme for the building should address the needfor documentation of recycred or cooring water discharge in order thatproper sanitary sewer credits can be identified if appropriate.
The applicant shalL be responsible for reimbursing the City forutilizing its ponding facilities to accorunodate any storm ;ater, Iessthan the LAq year predevelopment runoff rate, which is not beingaccommodated on site.
The on site ponding and storm drainage scheme needs to be coordinated$rith the feasibility study alignment of the Lake Drive storm se$rersystem.
r5.
16.
L7.
I9.The wetland impacts
water retention pond
taken to satisfy any
impacts.
24.
2t.
).,
23.
24.
due to roof drainage and/or backup from the stormneed to be identified and appropriate measuresanticipated pollutant and/or nutrient loading
The alignment and right-of-way dedicated for Lake Drive shall besufficient enough to accommodate a 35 mile per hour design speedunless otherr^rise approved by the City Engin6er.
A 36 foot entry drive shall be used for any roadsexperience truck traffic on a regular basis. Asaccess (central) roadway should 6e 36 foot.
A typical section for the roadways shall be suplied for approval bythe city Engineer and concrete curb and gutter sharl be piovidedthrough the site includi.ng parking lot areas.
The option A entry road rocated betrdeen the wetland and detention pondsharr be omitted and-the opEion B entry connection sharr be locatei todirectly oppose the future planned coniection of Lake Drive East fromthe ward property at Market Bourevard, to be estabrished in the LakeDrive feasibility study.
The plans should address the proper movement of pedestrian trafficaround the exterior of the building and on the site.
The applicant will need to enter into a deveropment contract irith thecity. to guarantee the proper execution of the iinal approved plans andspecifications for the site and provide the city with- in appripriate
which wi 11
a minimun, the main
25.
14.
r8.
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financial secur i ty.
26. Comply $rith aII conditions of the
27. Staff work with Rosemount to trytrees ancl shrubs on this site.
Wetland Alteration Permi t .
to develop more native vegetation,
28. Comply with all Park and Recreation recommenda t i ons , if any.
AII voted in
carried wi th
favor except Emmings and Conrad qrho opposed and the motiona vote of 3 to 2.
Conrad: And Steve your reason?
Emmings: Irm against approving it for the reasoos we discussed before. Ifavor the plan. I don't think we've gone into the conditions in enough
depth or enough specificity to approve this and have the City Councilthink that we have looked at it to vrhat the necessary specificity. I amin favor of the plan conceptually. I'm comfortable with it and I think it
should be dealt with by the Cj.ty Council once the technical aspects are
worked out bet$reen Rosemount and City Staff.
Conrad: That's exactly my position. I agree in concept but don't have
enough information to agree as we typically do in terms of making this
recommendation. So conceptually I am in favor of what we saw tonight but
definitely want the City Council to review it critically as if they were
the planning commission when it got. Eo their leve1. The other comments atthat point in time, the Park and Rec report should be there. Justreinforcing what the motion said but I'n interested in a staff report.
I'm concerned with the parking lot and the massiveness. I'm concernedwith the fact whether the lakeshore owners were notified for the public
hearing and Irm concerned that screening of the building and the parking
lot be reviewed by staff. I think those additional concerns of mine
should certainly be met by the time this gets to City Council.
Headla: I was going to try to
such stuff.
get in something after that covering just
conrad: You voted for.
Headla: I still think itrs good but I was going to...that and then saying
in postscript attached with the recommendatj.on to the council essentially
saying the same thing. werre working this on the run, floating target.
Everything isnrt absolute.
Conrad: It will all come out in the Minutes. They understand.
Bob Worthing: First of alL thank you for allowing us to move ahead.
understand your concerns. we think they're legitimate. The confLict
ere think we can resolve all of the 28-30 issues that have come uP in
timeframe that ererve given to the plan...under construction for this
We
tha t
the
facirity. The onry thing we'd like to request is perhaps the stipurationsthat have been stated, r wourd ask the staff to have those availalre to usas quickly as possible if this plan is to evolve. We go to the CityCouncil meeting on the l4th. There's a lot of things ihat you have-conerns about... So to a certain extent I thank you for the trust...
Emmings: Even our negative vote vras a one of trust.
conrad: r really do lrant to make sure that you're covering these issueswith your neighbors because r donrt want any surprises witi that groupbecause they will put a wrench in if we don't tark to them. rtrs so mucheasier r/rhen we do it on your terms. rf you've done that and we sent outour public hearing notices, than we,ve done our job for the neighborhood
!o sgt their input in the deveropment of this rand. The commenfs that youheard from me were directly rerated to vrhat r heard them. The last timlprojects- came_ through on this rand, we had erevations prepared so we knewgx?glly how high the trees were. where they were. How muctr higher thebuilding projected above the trees. They were extremely concerned so iftheyrre not concerned anymore, r think thatrs terrific. r just am kind ofskepticar that they'!re not concerned. r donrt know what chinged theirminds so continue working with them and that wirr resorve a rot ofproblems dor^rnstream.
Hoisington: Ladd, just a comment. IMinutes of this meeting indicate thatconcept for the Rosemount proposal.on this.
just hope and request that thethere is a unanimous support inI donrt lrant to confuse the Council
Conrad:
any more
Counc i L .
rev iewedthat cameour part.
rev i ewedthat andIike it.
Submitted by Jo Ann OlsenAsst. City planner
I think Steve worded his comments clearLy. I couldn't word mineclearly Fred. AIl. we're doing is passin! this along to city
. They can review it- what r didn,l want to indicate is thai weit in the detail that we normally ...ri"r, it in. We didn't indacross 10 times in whaE we said-. Itrs sort of a discl,aimei onWe just don't lrant to deceive them by saying that we'veeverything because it's not here. I tiink- oui comments reflectour comments reflect that this looks like a good proposaL. We
APPROVAL OF .{INUTES:. Batzli moved, Ellson seconded to approve the Minutesof- the pranning commission mee-ting dated october 1g1 rggg as presented.A11 voted in favor except Headla who abstained and the notion carried.
Headla moved, Emmi ngs
-
seconded to adjourn the meeting. Alland the motion carried. The meeting was adjourn ea ai IOzSS
voted in favor
P.m..
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PLA}I1{ING REPORT
f0: Chanhassen Planning Commission and Staff
FR0ll: llark Koeg1." \$t/
DATE: November 8, 1988
SUBJECT: Contractor's Yards - A-2 Zone
The growth of 2.5 acre si ng le family resident ia l lots
occurred over the past tv{o years has substantial ly changed
use pattern in southern Chanhassen. Three pr i mary use
exi st: l) agriculture, 2) rura l residential @ I un it per
and 3) l arge 1ot residential @ I unit per 2.5 acres. All
uses are presently accommodated in the A-2 zone.
that has
the land
patterns
10 acresof these
The focus of this report
appropriateness in the A-2
a rev iew of both contractors
contractor's yards and their
Address i ng this issue requires
as a land use and the impact of
i s on
zone.
yards
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BAC(GROUllD: Contractor's yards are currently allowed asconditional uses in the A-2 zone. The A-2 zone is the predominate
zoni ng category of land located within the Rura l Service Area(RSA). All A-2 I and lies south of TH 5. A review of contractor'syards in the A-2 zone needs to con s i der the general issue of land
uses throughout the ent i re Rura l Serv i ce Area.
In the late 1970's, the City of Chanhassen pursued a pol icy ofallowing on 1y farm related agricultural uses in the u n sewer ed area(RSA). Residential uses were specifical1y prohibited without
mun icipal sa n i tary sewer s erv i ce. Court chal lenges resul ted in themodification of the stri ct provisions that proh i b'i ted residential
development.
In 1986 , the City of Chanhassen modified the zon i ng ord i n ance torestri ct residential densities in the RSA to one unit per 10 acres.
Land or{ners had until January 15, 1987 to file subdivision
appl ications und er the previous ord i nance which allowed a dens ityof 1 unit per 2.5 acres of land, The imposition of the appl ication
dead l i ne resul ted in a ser i es of development proposal s containing
2.5 acre lots. By the fall of 1988, many of the developments had
i nstal I ed street improvements and hous i ng construct ion occurred.Additionally, several other developments are preparing to begin'initial construction.
such uses
z0ne.
on each of the three use patterns that ex.ist in the A-2
Commission'sthe southernissue should
outs ide of
In the existing ordinance, contractor, s yard s are defined as rany
area or use of I and where vehicles, equ i pment, and/or constructionmaterials and supplies commonly used by building, excavation, orroadway construction, landscaping and similar- contractors arestored or serviced. A contractor's yard i nc l udes both areas of
9u!9ggr storage and areas confined within a completeIy enclosedbuilding used in conjunction with a contractor's -business.n
Additiona-l.ly, the o-rdina.nce provides restrictions pertaining to 1otsize, -setbacks, location, screening, hours oi operati-on andproximity to one another. i.leither the definition nor therestrictions limit cortract-or's yards to accessory uses. Therefore,they assume the status_ o-f primary uses that for al t practicaipurposes , are industrial in nature.
The. Planning commis.sion . has. _ expressed interest in redef .ining
contractor's yards to make them less intensive uses. 0veralisentiment seems to be to allow smaller sca1e, ,,mom and pop,'0perati ons but not l arge scale businesses. If th; ordinance is toallow only smaller sca.le bus_inesses, the term ,'contractorii yard',
need s to be redefi ned to apply on 1y to less intensive uses. [,nderthis scenario, larger scale contraitors facilities would fall under!tq provisions of industrial uses and only be pJrritteO inindustrial zon i ng districts.
In order to I imit the size of contractor,s yards, it may beadvisable to allow them only as accessory usei rather than asprincipal .uses. As an accesiory use, the s.ize of a contrac-tor,syard could be tied to the size-of ttie principal residential usethereby control l ing the scale of the operation.
Assum'ing that contractor's _yards are l.imited to ,,mom and pop,,operations, the appro pr i ate location for such facil ities ne"os tobe examined. 0f thg thre.e. pr-im-ary land uses in -tne- nSl,agriculture and rura.l res.idential -(10_ acres) can pioUablyaccommodate contractor's yards as interim land uses with I'ittle oino .mitigat'ion requ ired. Large 1ot residentiar is an excepiion tothis rule.
Large lot residentiar deve-ropments (2.5) acres such as Lake Rileylloods have .a strong resemb lance to uiban'residential oeveiopments.6ecause 0f hous i ng types and h i gher overa I I densities, contractor,sy9lqs qre.not appropriate in such areas. prohib.iting contractor,syaros rn these areas may require additional zon i ng modifications.For example, deveropmends suth as Lake Riley uoods iouto ue-rezoneoto Rural Residentiar (RR) whictr ooei not ar'low contracfor;s !aros.0ther method s could bb u-sed to accompl i sh the sar. pr.pore.'
The.preceding discuss.ion has focused on the planningdesire to allow smalI scale contractor,s yards in"portion of the City. A comprehens i ve review of thisals0 address the prohibition of contractors yards
'industrial areas.
ord i nances of th
Chaska, Eden Pra iseveral developiArea. AII ordiindustrial sites
bus i nesses in th
mi n imum lot size
In..preparing this report, I re v i ewed the zon i nge. cit-i_es. of Plymouth, l.laple Grove, M.innetonka]rie, Blaine and Champl in as wel I as ord i nances oing communities in the Kansas City t.ltetropol i tannances pr0hibit contractor's yards outside of
exc ept Chaska which al lows l andscape contractorseir Rural Residential zone, Chaska requ.i res aof 40 acres for such uses.
The purpose of the A-2 zone is "preservation of rura l characterwhile resp-ecting, develop.ment patterns by allowing single-familyresidential development." Are "mom and pop,, conLracto-r,s yardiconsidered part of the rural character? If So, they may beappropriate uses. If not, they either need to be pro tr i b.i t ed oi thepurpose of the A-2 zone needs to be modif .ied.
Beyond an analysis of the.existing purpose statement, the planning
Commission needs to consider the long term impacts of contractor,iyards-.of .any scale. Chanhassen is rapidly urbanizing. Asignificant amount of development has occurred -over the pait fiveyears in the Rura l Service Area. As I and continues to be'absorbedin Eden Prairie, Chanhassen will receive added developmentpressure. .In.1ight .of increas i ng devel opment, the compatibilityof contractor's yards with existing residentjal and future laniiuses needs to be addressed. Additional ly, al l owing contractor,syards may po se short and Ion g term administrative problems.
In the l9n9 term, contractor's yards are compatibIe on 1y withindustrial I and uses. At the present time, future industriai areasin the Rural Service Area have not been identified. Therefore,
permi tt i ng contractor's yards throughout the southern sect i on oi
Chanhas_sen creates potentiai future I and use confl i cts. Al lowingany scale of contractor's yards al so creates significant short term
admin istrative probl ems. 0nce low i ntens i ty contractor's yards areallowed, the mechanism is in pl ace to perm i t variance appi icationsfor more intensive uses. In rea I i ty, it is much eas'ier for a cityto control a use by not aIlowing it to occur in any form than itis to cons i stentl y den y variance appt ications.
REC0lll{E1{DATI0ll: Contractor's yards are largely inconsistent withlong term growth in Chanhassen. Almost every community in the TwinCities ttletropol itan Area has found that such uses are inappropriateoutside of industrial zones. Additional ly, the inclusion ofcontractor's yards in Chanhassen's existing zon ing ordinance hascreated enforcement and administrative prob I ems. The city,s
exper i e nce with this issue coup I ed with the fact that contractor'syards are not cons i stent with I ong term i and use in Chanhassencreates a strong argument for prohibiting such uses. For thesereasons, it is recommended that contractor's yards be permi tted in
Chanhassen on 1y in appropriate industrial zones and not in the
unsewered sections of the community.
If the Planning Commission decides that small scale contractor,syards should be allowed in the A-2 zone, a s.ignif icant modification
of the zoningthe intensi tyfor review:
ord i nance needs to be considered. In order to limitof such uses, the following modifications are of f ered
l. llodify the def inition of Contractor's Yard s to include onlyintensity uses wi th minimal storage needs ie. "Contractor's ya
means an area for the storage of veh icles and equ i pmen t re I atedsmall scale contracting operations that are accessory toprincipal residential use of the property. Equ i pmen t and vehicstored in the contractor's yard shall be used solely by fammembers residing in the principal residential structure onproperty. "
I ow
rds
to
the
I es
i lv
the
2. Establ i sh contractor's yards as conditional accessory uses inthe A-2 zone subject to the fol I owi ng cond itions:
A. The m'inimum lot size is ten (10) acres.
8.. Al1 storage and yard areas as well as buildings must beset back one hundred (100) feet from publ ic or private roadright-of-ways and f ive hundred (500) feet from an ad jacentsingl e-fami Iy residence.
C. The site must be located along a collector or minorarter i a 1 as i dent i fi ed in the comprehensive p1an.
D. The total fl oor area of storage buildings shalI be lim.itedto one thousand (1000) square feet or 502 of the fl oor areaof the principai residential structure whichever is morerestrictive.
E. 0utdoor storage areas shall(500) square feet in total area.must be completely screened byopaque fenc i ng or bermi ng.
F. Hours of operat i on shall
t.|onday th rough Saturday onl y,permitted.
be from 7:00 a. m. to 6:00 p
work on Sunday and hol idays
be limited to fi ve hundredAll outdoor storage areasone hundred (100) percent
m.,
not
6. Light sources shall be shielded.
H. No outside speaker systems are a I I owed.
I. All vehiclesbusiness shal.l be
and equ i pment relating to the contractingstored within a building or screened area.
l. ..R.1o.nq 91_i3tl ng 2.5 acre residential developments to RuralRes idential (RR). Rura r Residential prohibits contractor,s yard s.
If an ap-p.r.oach such as the one outrined above is eventuarly adoptedby the City or if contractor,s yards are prohibited, alt'eiistingcontractor's yards wiil become nonconforming. As srich, th ey willbe allowed to continue providing they are iermi tted c6ntriltor,s
yard s at the time of the modification
n ot, however, be permi tted to expand
of
or
the ord i nance -intensify.They wi l1
After discussion by the Planning Commission, appropriate ordinancelanguage will be prepared for formal -coniidiration by theCommission and City Council.
CITY OF
EHINHISSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE ' P.O. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900
MEMORANDUM
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
SUBJ:
Don Ashworth, City Manager
Jo Ann O1sen, Asst. City Planner
October 26, 1988
Update on Planning Department
Don Ashworth, City Manager, eJill attend the November 16, L988
Planning Commission meeting to discuss the make up alg direcEion
of the ilanning Department. Don Ash'Jrorth wilI also discuss the
application process and review of the City Planner candidates and
,i'rit tn" job description is for that position and Assistant ciEy
Planner.
If time pe(mits, staff would also like to take the opportunity to
discuss ,oitn the Planning Commission whats they see as the respon-
sibilities of the Planneis. Since the Planners and the Planning
Commission need to work closely together, it is important for
staff to be aware of how the planning Conmission sees the role of
the Planner.
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JOB DESCRIPTION
CITY OF CHANHASSEN
POSITION: Planning Directsor
DEPART!,IENT: Planning Department DATE3 December, I986
OBJECT IVE AND SCOPE
RELATIONSHIPS
Reports to: CitY Manager
Supervises: Assistant City Planner and Planning Intern'
SPECIFIC RESPCNS I9I LITIES
Performs professional work related to land use planning and deveJ'-
;il;;i ptln revie* lrrhere a strong understanding of planning con-
;;;aj; irinci.pres, una i""tniquei is reguired. Administers city
Iand use contro.Ls ".1-i*pi...ritation of the City comprehensive
Plan in a manner "on"i"iEnt with city policies' onitors activities
of state, 1ocal and i"qio."f agencie-s ind participates t'hen appropri-
.i"-i"-pi"parition "i-i-ii.i."-which affecl local policies and deci-
sion making.
Provides primary staff support to Ehe Housing anil Redevelopment
A;rh;;iay-i"-r"ii"g coordiiaring work activities with HRA con-
sultantsl providei work clirection to the Assistant CiEy Planner'
I Review land development Plans
olans , land use regulacions,
invironmental regulations.
for consistencY with citY
oolicies, and aPPlicabl-e StaEe
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Administer land use control ordinances and implemen-
iation of the Cityrs comprehensive PIan on a daily
basis, and routinely provides information concerning
city planning proceduies, standards, and policies to
i""ia"nt", brisinesses, cevelopers, and others involved
in the land development Process.
Supervise and administer developmenc plan review proce-
duies from the Eime of initial' inquiry by a prospective
developer until such time as the deveJ-opment plan is
approvld (completed), denied, or !'ithdrawn'
I{ake recommendaEions corrcerniag specific development
plans based on city Plans, ordinances, policies, and
lrofessional planning practices, in the form oE oral and
ivritten reports directed to tshe City Council and
Planning Comrnissiotl.
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Oversees st.af f support services to che City Council, Planning
Commission,Housing and Redevelopment AuthoriEy, and Zoning
Board of AdjLlstments and Appeals.
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a. Prepare meeting agendas, public hearing notices, staffreports and suppoltingr materials.
b. Provide staff support at all meetings, including pre_sentinq oral reports-on land use plinning ;;J-a;";i;p_ment issues as needed.
c. Conduct special . studies and provide special informationto advisory bodies, as requ"lted from time to timel ---'
rr4onitor activities of the MetropoJ-itan Council, StateAgencies, and other locaL. and rlgional governmenLs that mayaffect local planning authority init deci s ion_maf< inq, -i"a"'-,
report such activities to t.he aity l4anager in a tifief y--i..,n., .
Draft and administer an annual departmental operating budget.
l.lonitor and administer CDBG progam and other state and 1oca1programs.
ProviCe direct supervision to the Assistant Cit.y planner andact as a liaison to consultanLs including the administrationof consultant contracts.
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REQU I REI,IENTS
Education ,/Exoerience:relaLed f j.e10,wiE.h a mexperlence; or a Bachel
mum of three (3) years
Masterrs Degree in Urban planning
inimum of one (1) year of relatedor's Degree in urban planning andof rel-ated experience.
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JOB DESCRIPTION
CITY OE CHANHASSEN
DATE: December 1985
To assist the City planner in accomplishing the duties andresponsibilities of that office incluciing idministering city landuse controls and imprementation of the city Comprehensive plan ir:a manner consistent with city policies. also alts as grimary staffrepresentative to the southlvest i\4etroporitan Transit commission andcoordinates solid waste abar-ement programs.
OBJECTIVE AND SCOPE
RELATIONSHIPS
Reports to: Planning Director
Provides some clerical work direction.
SPECIFIC RESPONS IB I LITI ES
Assist the Ci t.yfor consistencypolicies.
Planner in
with City
reviewingpIans, land
desefopment ol-ansregulations, and
statf
reports on
needed .
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a. Prepa rereports
Adrninister land use control ordinances and implementationof the City's Comprehensive plan on a daily bisis, andrcutinely provides infcrmation concerning City olannilgprocedures, standards, and policies Eo residenEa, busi:nesses, developers, and others involved in the landdevelopment process.
Admioister development plan revi.ew proceCures f rorn thetime of initial inquiry by a prospeltive developer untilsuch time as the development plan is approved (corirpleted),denied, or wi thdrawn -
Make recominendat i ons concerning specific developmentplans based on City p1ans, ordiaances, policies, and pro-fessional planning piac!.ices, in the foim of oral and'rritten. reports directed to t.he City Council and plannirg
Commission.
2 Assists the City planner in provi<iing stafi support services
::.th"-CiEy Council, planning Commisiion, noo=i.rg anAxeclevelopment Aur_horit.y and Zoning Board of Adjuitments andAppeals.
meeting agendas, public hearing notices,and supporting materials.
o. Attend meet.ings as assigned to present oralIand use planning and developmeit issues as
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POSITION: Assistant Ciry planner
DEPARTMENT: Planning Department
c. Conduct special studies and provide special informationto advisory bodies, as required from time to time.
3. AcEs as primary staff represenative to Southwest Metropolitantransj.c Commission. !{onitors activities and provides ieportsas necessary.
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ITEQU I REMENTS
Acts as primary staft representat.ive
abatement programs including moni toriestablished by sEate and regional ageing local programs.
to
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coordinate solid waste
activi t.ies and requirements
es, as well as establish-
Education/Experi ence: Bachelorr s Degree in Urban planning
required; Master's Degree in UrbanPlanning or a related field desired.
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Septenber 21, l988
Chan ha s sen City Hal l
690 Coul ter Dri ve
Chanhassen, MN 55317
Dear Si r:
This is a letter of application for the City Planner position.
My qualifications include over 16 years of professional planning
experience with public and private interests. As a planner lYithlocal governrilents, I guided the adrninistration of planning,
zoning, housi ng and nei ghborhood services. I devel oped a
computerized data base for proiecting conmunity growth and
related facility needs as a part of a long range planning
program and city corirprehensive plan. Hy experience in Longrxont
was during a rapi d growth peri od.
As the pl anner for a major devel oper, I di rected market analyses,
master pl anni ng, bui I d-out projecti ons, devel opnent permi ts and
p rofo rna s for various projects.
Recently, I prepared the draft Jefferson County 0pen Space MasterPIan. This included a computer planning model for projecting
open s pace tax revenues and the allocation of these funds ove rthe next 20 years to acquisition, mai ntenance, administration,
and the devel opment of various types of open space. I al so,prepared redeve'l opnent programs for a four mi I e 1950's
conmercial area and a downtoHn co!:rmerci al center including
gui del i nes for hi storic preservati on.
Hy experience has included the preparing conprehensive planningreports, conducting meetings and workshops, presentations tocouncils, commissions and public groups and the coordination ofplanning programs with other departments and agencies.
I look forward to hearing from you and the
wi th staff and I ocal offi ci al s -
opportunity to meet
Sincerely,
en R. Hanson
2109 E. Floyd
Engl ewood , Co
303-7Bl-7699
P].
80110 i(i.:C:i v l:D
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CII( OE CHN'{HASSEfl
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RESUHE
STEPHE}I R. HAIISO'I
2109 E. Floyd
Englerood, C0
Pl ace
80110 303-781-7699 ( H )
QUALIFICATIOTIS
Sixteen years of planning and development experience
Project Eana genen t
llaster PIans for public agencies and private devel opnent
t{anagement of budgets, staff and consulting teansllri tten and oral presentations
EXPERIE}ICE
Senior Professiona'l Pl anner
BRll, Inc., Denver, C0 1988
Project manager for commmercial revitalization plans,
comprehensive planning and Iand development.* Prepared the Jefferson County 0pen Space tlaster
Pl an, including a conputer model for assessi ng the
utilization of tax revenues for acquisition and
devel opment of open space,* Prepa red i mprovemen t pl ans, cost estimetes and cost
sharing alternatives for commercial revitalization
programs in Thornton, C0 and Hays , KS.
Director of PIanning, Project llanager
Park Funding Corporation, BCD, Englerood, C0 1985-1987
t'lanaged the overal I master planning, design, market analysis
and project budgets for a 6,500 acre new community in Castle
Roc k , C0.* Devel oped pl ans for a 1200 acre residential a rea
with a public Aolf course and commercial center.* Prgplrgl deve.rornertt ;-^'l an frrr an 800+ acre mixed-use
of f i celre sea rc h canpu5.* l,laster plan for a 500 acre mixed-use office park and
res i denti a l comrnuni ty I n Pri nceton, llJ .* Responsible for pl anning and initial infrastructure
constructi on for a lB00 acre devl opnent i n Dougl as
County, C0.* Coordi nated pl anni ng and negoti a ti on s for ma jor
freeway i nterchange.
Di rector of Plannlng
Durango Ski Corporation, Durango, C0
Responsible for the overall planning of
Purgatory Ski Area. Prepared budgets,
and coordi nated consul tants.
1984 - 19 B5
the ba se area of
profornas, site plans
Principalilidgarth Planning and Design, Boulder, C0 1980-1994Provided land use, environmental, demographic and siteplanning services to local governments and development
compan i e s in Col orado.* Served as the Di rector of Pl ann i ng for the Town ofDillon for three yea rs and prepared the DillonMaster Pl an, Downtown Improvement pl an, !lari na pl an,and revi sed the devel opment codes.* Prepared special use pl an for the City of Boulder
Col orado Ai rport.* Genera ted popul ation characteri stics for AdamsCounty Private Industry Training Division.* Represented developers in negotiations with localagencies and di stricts for the approval of
devel opment pl ans, rangi ng' from 2 to 2300 acres.
Planner III
Boulder County Land Use Departrent, Boulder, C0 1978-1980
Di rected opera ti ona I pI anni ng staff in the rev i ew,evaluation, negoti a ti on and processing of pl anned unitdevel opments, subdivisions, rezoni ngs and si te p l ans.Primary staff person responsible for organization andpresentation of staff reports to planning Commission andother legi slative bodies.
Pl anner I I
Longnont Plan[ing Department, Longlont, C0 lg7Z-LgtSDirected development review and coordination of per-mi ts ingrowi ng cornmunity,* P repa red analysi s and projections for St. Vrain
Val l ey Comprehensi ve pl an.* Created a program for monitoring growth, land useand facility capacity by neighborhood in the city.* Directed the preparation of in economic model for
_ ys9 i n prepari ng the capi tal improvements pl an.* Prr'mary staff person for the evaluation, selectionand acquisition for the Boulder County Fairgrounds.
EDUCATI OII
9.A: in Design from Montana State University, lg7Z.Graduate studies in Urban and Regi onal plan-ning,Architecture and Business at Uniiersity of Col6iado.
Urban Land Institute - Associate Member; AnericanAssociation - i4ember; Executi ve Board of Col oradoAPA; Chairman Englewood Planning Comrnisslon
PROFESS IOI{AL ACTI Y ITIES
Planning
Chapter
P E R SO'{AL
l.larried wi th one child.
690 COULTER DRIVE. P.O. BOX 147 . CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900
MEIIIORANDUM
TO: Don Asherorth, City Manager
FROM: Barbara Dacy, City planner
DATE: January 6, 1988
SUBJ: Review of 1987 Activities and 1988 coals and Objectives
Attached for your review are the planning Department GoaLs for1988 as well as the Departmentrs evaluation of goal achievementfor 1987. Also provided is a summary work tasks conpleted by thePlanninq Department and a computation of planning cases processedin 1987 compared to previous years.
In reviewing I987 eork tasks, the follor/ing items stand out:
Sewer Facility
CITY OF
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1 Completion of all reguj.remenEs of the
Agreement.
Lake Ann
2 Administration of I34 planning cases, a significant portionof which were rural subdivision as well as major urban sub-divisions ( Lake Susan Hil1s West; Saddlebrook, Kurvers point,
S hadowmere ) .
Adoption and j.mplementation of the revised septic systemordinance.
ConLinuation of the Comprehensive Plan update process rvhich
now includes a proposed trail plan.
Continued participation in the Coalition of the Southwest
Cominunities regarding the l,letropolitan Councilr s preparat.ion
of the ',rater quality policy plan and the transportationpolicy plan.
Continued participarion in transportation studies such as the
SouthwesL Corridor Transportation CoaliEion for the improve-ment of TH 5 and 'lH 2L2 and the initiation and execution ofthe Joint Powers Agreement for the preparation of theEnvironmental- Impact Stalement and Design Study Report for TH2r2.
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Concept alignment review of t.he TH 2t2 corridor.
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Mr. Don
January
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Ashworth
6, 1988
The Compreh.n" i"..-1111 revis-ion process is approximately S0tcomplete. The revised Land Use inJ-io,.,si.ng Chapters have beenreviewed by rhe plannins a;*^i;";;;. a deiay i;-ah; oiair" p.o_cess occurred because rhe park
"na i""i.iti;; a;;i;"i5i.ini_t.iated rhe Dark ,,eeds sui,ri;-;r;"; clmprenensive rrail plan forthe city. Since chis "ii;;i ;;-";;i;commission i"'-J["". to a.fin ;;.";H;i':s;rll'"i]illil? .r.," pr"nupdare. The Transportati5n ct,"Jr"i"iitch will undoubtedly be thenost conrroversial as ry;"5 "1g[s;; ;;. being proposed. inepublic hearinq orocess t[at wiff,ol.ii- ttri" year will focus onthe proposed iew intersecrion "i ra-ior and TH 5 just west ofDakota Avenue. Also to Ue ais"us""a-is tt" rejuvenated .irocessfor Ehe consrrucrion of TH ZfZ -"iri-pioposed
interchange! at TH101 and rhe exrensi"n "r-ij"in-ir"*ola"iz-!{hile conductinq the. Cornprehensive plan update process, the Citydid meer wirh rfre u"trop6f it.;-c;;""ii severaL rimes ro resolveissues regarding ttre r,ai<e-e"r "tJi".'ii.ili ry Agreement. At thist:.me, the ciry is in fuII "";pii;;;"'iitr, .t,". asreement.In administering the 13{ cases this ve,cessed "in".-iddai u .,,*u.i-J; .-;;; ffi:"1:ff"I"i:";::.:":li."u.As of rhis dare, sever"r i""J- i *iIJ""iiL". reasibiriry srudies arern process: woodduck^Lane, taniioonl" L.. u" , Tecon Lane, and therealignmenr of wesr- zeeh sir"u;:--;ir;". projecrs signity rhe con-tinuins infirl deveropment-i;-;;. "i5il u.uu" or chanhassen and;i::.i:;:"-ent a posiii""-"I.p'iJ,Iii=p.op". rransporraEion
The one goal in 1987 thaE. was not achieved. reas the computerJ.zaEionei":j';:::9,';::*:1,
i:.::;: ;,"1;j;i.:i;:i;;ill ii:.i"#i:;i:, "planning case, seotic. system and iocio_economic intormaeionretrieval. Becauie. gtreie nor-e.i"i"-I coordinaced effort in:$i:":: i;ri;;;. rhis soar a.puit,nJit*"rae, iiiis-;";i-::; ;.
AtEached are stat.us. reports of the Southhrest Metro TransitProsram and Ehe s"ria-fi""tI ;;";;;r:"";he Assisranc ptanner hasestaolished a smoorh "orting-piJgi;i r.. spring and faII leaipr.ck-up in conjuncrion with'ti,"-iroiil-works Departmenti however,more r'vork roo'ns on ctre trorizon -.a-i".Ir' governments are resDon-:i!i; iii.i";il;s: "'^J;iliili"::l.jii;l:-'. rr, .oun iv-"io' ri! i on.r
:*1.:;:1"?;.*i:i"r;:":!^i::"ii:.;li;';[.;: ::: :::iffi:r"1x".,"
The Southwest MeLro Transit operation wiII reach a significantmrresrone in I988. The I8 -^;;;;-;;#";;
expire in Jun; ;i'rse'. -,,"-i",i.ti]#";:;::";.lliniilr"ilt
evaluating whether or noE tn" a""i"ioi ao opa_out from the UTc
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!1r. Don Ashworth
January 6, 1988
Page 3service was appropriate. As the Assistant planner iletails, thesouthwest Metro service has learned alot in the past year ind isbuilding on success- rt appears at this point tirat tfre seivicesill continue.
s of the Planning Departmentdministered on a day to day be these goals seem very generake up a significant portiontime during the day.
The Planning Commission was equally busy in 1987. Besides theComprehensive Plan review process, the planning Coflunission lrasinvolved in the TH 2L2 concept alignment review process and wasobviously busy with the significant amount of caie load thisyear. Three commissioners will be appointed by the City Councilin January.
The remaining g
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pos ition Title plarudng DeparhEnt
Namc of
Incumbent
Barbara Daql; City planner
Jo Ann Ols en ASSI. CitV Pl arrrrE\ate
Achievement Goals
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Ach i ev emen t
Percentof coal
Ach i e ved
Comrncn t here
Goals 1.,'ere
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planned
tv/hy Ach levemcn
1. Adoption of Revised Ccnpretersive plan
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Ccrnputerization of plannirrg cases, landparcel information and socio-econcndc data.
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Ccntinue programnjag for soU.d uaste/reqgclhg programs,
Include Solid Waste Chapter in Corprehensive
Plan.
Prwidilg guidance and information on a dayto day basis to the gereral Erblic and
deveJ-opers regardi_ng zonilg, land use, andtJIe clevelqrrEnt process, etc.
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ACI{IEVEMENT GOAI,-SETTTNG
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Ongoing
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PLANNING CASES
1984 1985 1985 L987
Appeals
Conditional Use Permits
Land Use Plan Amend.
L it iga t ions
Planned Unit Developments
Rezoning
Sign Permits
Site Plan Reviews
Subd ivi s ion s
Vacations
Var iances
wetland Alteration
Zoniag Ordinance Amend.
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SUMMARY OF WORK TASKS 1987
CITY PLANNER
- Supervise DeveLopment Review process
- Comprehensive Plan Update process
- Community Development Block Grant Administration
- Southr.restern l4etropolitan CommunitiesLiason betlreen staff group with J. Boland and elected
- TE 2L2 Concept Alignment Review process
- TE 5 and 212 Corridor Coalition Meeting
- Transportation Advisory Cornmittee to Uet Council
ASSTSTANT CITY PLANNER
- Board of Adjustments and Appeals
- Solid Waste Commi t.tee,/Recycl ing
- Administer Development Review process
- Day to day Luililing permit review
- MTC Opt-Out Liason
- Report preparation (pC, CC, HRA, BOA)
- Public hearing anl referral mailings
- Minutes (HRA and BOA)
- Building reports ( monthly )
- Day to day correspondence
- Flood p1ain,/zoning requests
- Reproduction of zoning maps
- Building and plumbing permits
- Mail and phones
officials
S ECRETA RY
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Tim A. Erhart
775 llest 96th Street
Chanhassen, Minnesota 55317
(612) 474-lu6
To:Pl anni ng Commission l.lembers
Joann 0l son
Subject:
Date:
lletl and Preservati on
0ctober 20, 1988
llith this letter, I am asking Joann to place this on the agenda for the next
Planning Counci I meet i ng.
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I should have introduced this at last night's meeting during our discussions
of wetlands preservations. The hand out which the South Side t'lal k and
Trailway Commlttee is giving to the publ ic indicates that horse trails will
end up next to our creeks and wetlands. Attached is a letter I sent to
Parks & Recreation outl ining this problem.
In l'ine trith our consistently stringent view on wetlands preservation and
our wetland restoration effort, we may want to pass a resolution on to City
Council and the Parks & Recreation Committee affirming our belief that the
City should not be placing horse trails anywhere near our wetlands and
creeks.
Tim A. Erhart
775 llest 96th Street
Chanhassen, Hinnesota 55317
To:
From: Tim Erhart
Subject: Nature Trai I s
Date: 0ctober 5, 1988
Parks & Recreation Commi ttee
City Counci l Hembers
As a new member on the Planning Conmission in ear'ty 1986, I was concernedthat sub-divisions were being approved with no thought given to naturetrails or wildlife area easements. About this time, the Parks and
Recreation Conmittee started the process of creating a city-wide trail plan.
The original trail plan for South Chanhassen included only paved trails
alongside the routes of existing arterials and collectors.
I had previously lived in the Preserve in Eden Prairie and had observed thepopularity of pedestrian and nature trails. I therefore introduced the ideaof nature trails to the Parks & Recreation Coordinator, Lori Seitsema. The
idea was received favorably and with Lori's encouragement, I made extensive
hikes throughout South Chanhassen including one hike along BIuff Creek from
Highway ?12 at the southerly extreme of the city to Highway 5llest of
Chanhassen. Correlating my field notes with aerial photographs, I submitteda nature trail plan where pedestrians could enjoy our natural amenities
while while hiking or skiing.
The plan essentially follows Bluff Creek nost of which is very steep or lieswithin a protected wetland. The nature trails system also runs adjacent to
a'l l the major wetlands south of Lyman Boulevard. The Chanhassen Trail Plan
completed in June, 1987 included the nature trail plan which I submitted andspecifically states on page Tr-3 that "Nature trails are designed solely forpedestrian usage.n The nature trails as stated in the City's Plan are
intended for the use of all people in the area to walk or ski and quietly
enjoy nature with minimal environmental impact.
Those portions of the nature trai l system identified on our property, have
been opened to the publ ic for several years. Hy wife and I have maintainedthe trails by mowing and planting trees alongside the route. Today, overseventy households have immediate access to these trails. Included in
todays users are three day care centers, each located within 300 feet of theexisting trail system.
Uhen orig.inally opened, the upland portion of the trails were used mostly byhorse.riders. (l,le have never allowed horses near the wetlands.) However,
when the Pioneer Hills sub-division filled in, we started seeiriq a lot oihikers. Due to horse the traffic (including or own) the one trail used by
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horses eventually lost most of its turf and in some areas became very
eroded.
Due to the increasing popularity of the trails for h.i ki n-g and .the adve
eifect the horses wer-e riraking, we finally made the difficult decision not
iiae oui own horse on any oi'these trails. I'le also asked the three ot
i.roii.-*n..i in the areaio respect our decision and not use the trails
il;;;;iai.s. Oui feeling is that the benefits enjo.vqd bv the manv.famil
*ho use the- trails for hiking overwhelmingly outweighs the benefits of
few of us with horses. Our ixperience indicates that there exists a ba
inlomoatibilitv of horses and'hikers when it comes to nature or hik
i;;iii: itre f6llowinS outlines the problems associated with allowing hor
on pedestrian or nature trails:
Horses have very sharp shoes which Iiterally cut the turf every. t-ine a
iieo is taken. - The broblem is severe when horses *a1 k up a hill in
irral tneiihooves tend to slide backward, cutting a small piece of turf
wiih each step. Even in high, dry .areas. eventual-1y the- turf is
lorpt.i.iv desiroyed. If the iurf is damp it can be literally chewed
uo'in onfv a few trios. 0nce the turf is removed, erosion starts and
ULfo"e
-io-ng, gullies appear. The rate of. erosion is particularly
ievere in ai'eai where th'eie is greater than about an 8-10% slope'
0n flat areas, erosion may not occur. Eventually..however, the turf is
removed. It iimply is not as desirable to have dirt trails as apposed
io iuii traits f6r-pedestrians - particularly when children use them'
In areas where there is turf, people can use the trai'l shortly after.it
iii.i.-- in .i..t of bare ground, it may take up to two.days of.dry
weather before a pedestrian-can once again.use the trail. Horse riders
us" tne trail imriediately after a rain. tlhen this ha-ppens rapid.turf
iir.g"-oi.r"i and frequ.ntty the horse leaves. big-holes in -the dirt'
it ii-aifri.rlt to walIi. on itraii which consists of these holes'
In those areas where the nature trail runs on the frin-ge.of uetlands,
the turf is very fragile. It is almost always moist and the sorl below
ii. rixtu"e oi peai and topsoil. l'lhen a horse walks in the fringe
wetland, the hooves penetrate the turf anywhere fron l/2 -inch to
;;;;;;i'inctres uepenaihg on the moisture-content of the turf,' Being at
[tre-Uise of a hiil and-ai the fringe of wetlands, the-turf is almost
ii*.ii r.f. lt;. oniy a matter of [ime before the turf near a wetland
is iirmptetety chewed rip and totally unusable by pedestrians'
Having horses leaving drgppings.next- to .our wetland is obviously a
oot.niiat ool'lution probl'eh. - lle already have a zonirg _ordinance?ilIi;-sjz+-st which prohibits feed Iots close to wetland' It is
inion.eir"Uft tliat we sh6uld in any way add additional nutrients to our
al ready heavi ly eutrophied wetlands.
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wetland's'oidinary high water mark and the hill which normally lies
adjacent to the wetiand. I believe in these.areas' a practical width
is about eight feet. Any wider trail would have significant adverse
impact on the wildlife and plant environment which is the very thing we
are trying to preserve. In addition, any wider trail running between a
potential homesite and a wetland would have adverse economic impact on
the property and would be resisted by developers and land owners. Ue
have already experienced concerns from existing land owners over the
proposed nature trai l plan. An eight-feet wide trai l is not adequate
for both pedestrians and horses to meet and pass each other safely.
6. lihen placing trails next to wetlands, we must consider the disturbance
that the user has on wildlife. A pedestrian is pretty well shielded
from ducks, geese, etc., by the grass between the trai'l and the
wetland. A horse's rider, on the other hand, is eight feet or more
above the ground. I believe that horse riders would have a
considerably greater impact on wildlife than pedestrians. Ducks and
geese will not nest where they are continually disturbed.
7. The presence of horse droppings on any trail has a negative effect onpedestrians. In addition, when children use a trail, there is a
cleanliness issue. As the droppings disintegrate and spread out, thetrail surface becomes a concentration of horse feces which eventually
spreads out over the entire path.
Approximately 7-8 miles of nature trails are currently shown on the attached
map. Almost 100% of the nature trail on the City's current plan is either
on the fringe of protected wetlands or is in areas of steep grade. Quitefrankly, I am appalled that we are considering turning these nature trails
into horse trails without any thought given to the environmental and social
impact thi s would have.
I would like to ciarify that I am not opposed to horse trails per se. If
the City feels that a horse trail system should be incorporated into theCity's trailway p1an, an alternative to simply adapting the existing naturetrail plan should be taken. Horse trails should be identified as a separate
component of the City's trail plan and be completely separate from what we
now term nature trails. The plan should state that horse trails must not
adversely affect the environment and shouldn't interfere with pedestrian
trails which service the majority of potential trail users in the area.
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CHANHASSET.! SAFE SIDEWALK AND TRA I LWAY P LAN
WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED?
The chanhassen safe sidewark and Trairway plan is 29 rineli-- mr.res oftrairs and sidewalks of which the majoriiy i" ".!"iit.a"Ii", rhe rrafficon chanhassen'.s, busy stree.s and roais. irre r..'ii piin iii.r" ".r.routes for people to ger around our city ""a .onn..[-tli i.igtu.ring com-munities.
This.entire proposal, as shown on the attached map, involves over glnirlion in rrair construction. orher iunding "ool.."
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however, bringing the amount needed to compt6t--it,.-pf.r-tl'SgOO,OdO.
A 'yes' vote for the safe sidewark and rrailway pran wirr not increaseyour taxes. That. is.nor to say that it rrill n6t 8"it .nytiring, trowever.Because of debrs that are retiiing and Ehe inci."=ea-9;;il;-d;;"il;;;;;-'is_ currently. experiencing, the ciEv-"iri be able to take on new debtt ithout-raising taxes. in other ,6.a"1-so.. ot the Cityrs loans will bepaid off soon. The Eaxes used t.o make'payment.s on that. debt wirl beavailable !o pay for the sidewalis inJ [r"i.fs,-"f"ng"ritt-Ih. n.n, t.*""generated from residents moving into new a."eiop^eni= .
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WHY IS A SIDEWALK AND TRAILIIAY PLAN BEING PROPOSED?
The safe sidewalk and Trailway plan was developed forlowing an extensiverandom.survey conduc.ed in chinhassen iegardin; p.;i-;;;-rEcreationalneeds in 1987. This scientific survey-invorv6a" i ""t "t-.Jery r00hornes in Chanhassen,, roughly :OO parrilipants. Survey participants vrereasked if they fert ehere-weie co"'^inv, -irr"c
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-or-IlJ-re, or avariety of faciritie: ang prog.u,n". - i6ui of the i"i """".-irems ristedas "too few" were related Lo [.rails and-sidewar^", -I."1'-biie partrs,walking paths, jogging r,rai1s, ana niiing trails.
The Park and Recreacion Cornmission responded t.o .his overwhelmingfor sidewalks and .::il: ly_gev9i;eiit'u "on,p..hensive crail planrould connect the entire community'to-areas of int..""t.--wty is
.being proposed? Eere are a fe, j6oa-.1""on",
rchanhassen has expressed a need for trairs and sidewalks
rThe plan separat.es pedest.rians flom traffic safely.
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*The number one -oarticipant form of fitness is wal.king or jogging.
'The. plan provides a means by which to safery connect neighborhoodseach other, schools, pa.rks, downtown, other .o.rrnit:."i]""a".
rchanhassen is a desireabre prace to rive in the Tqrins cities area,.he sidewalk and trailway plan makes ic a nore appealing lLace tohome to.
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rlmproving theof our homes.
quality of life in our comrnunit.y, increasing the value
*Preserves nature trails toSide in the community.
aIlow the enjoyment oE the rural country-
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CHANHASSEN SAEE SIDEI{ALK AND TR,AILWAY PLAN
Q - What, impact will this proposal have on my taxes if .: appEoved?A - We will not tell you that, trail development will be free,
however, because of current debt ret,irement and theincreased growt.h Chanhassen is currently experiencing, itwill not be necessary to increase your taxes ii the plan isapproved.
Q - ffi11 assessments
A - No. The entirefunding sourcesgation bonds.
!{ho will maintain the trails and sidewalks}
The City will maintain all of the trails and sidlewalks. Onceconstructed, the trails will be put on a maintenance schedul.esimilar to $rhat is done with the streets. The cost for suchwill be included in t,he general operation budget.
Q - who will be responsible for snow removal?
A - It is anticipaled that, the City will plow t.he sections that
are most heavily useC in the winter. Others may be used forwinter activities such as sno$, shoeing or cross countryskiing. Such wouLd be determined by observing use patterns.
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What types of use will be allowed on the system?
A11 sidewalks and trails segmentss erill serve p edest.rians.
The aved se ments wi 11 also allow
be charged in addition to the sale of bonds?plan will be paid for through existing
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what type of surface maLerial will be used?
Along major collector streets iE is anticipated t.hac I foot
bituminous trails will be constructed. Along resideotial
streets that serve as the front of homes, 5 foot conclet.e
side',ralks will be constructed. Nature trails will be mowed
paths or aggregate base.
Eow wil.l you determine on which side of the streeE the
s ideiralks will be constructed?
Many things must be considered through feasibiJ.ity studies to
iletermined the best location, such as topography, existing
utilities right of way widths, soil conditions, etc. It is
likely, however, that. construction lrill occur on the side of
the street with 'the Ieast topography, obstacLes, and physical
barriers.
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Mr. Erhartrs letter of Oct. 5, 1988 seens to be apersonal affront againt the horse. His lack of in-formatj.on and knowledge regarding horses only nakeshis letter more ludicrous.
Horses have been a part of ny everyday life since Imoved to Chanhassen Li 1971. At that- tfuoe there werehitching rails in 1S, plus the [Frontierr inage wasjust getting sta-rtEF WL chose Chanhassen becaisehorscs vrere a welcome inage to ltFrontierr times.
Horses donrt have sharp hooves, and riders donrt runout to saddle their horses the nj.nute it stops raining.The horse trail turf j.n Carver park is ninimally dis--turbed and not dug up at all . Iloes Mr. Erhart ihinkgrass wonrt die if joggers, blkers or walkers use thetrail? If he wants rtundisturbed turfr on a trail, thenhe i.s being unrealistic!
fn try many years of horse ownership, I have found. thereis NOTHING better for kids than a hdrse. Besides teach-ing the kids responsibility, compassion, horse knowledgeand maturity, they find the tine spent with a horse belcooes more inportant than trying cigarets, beer, sex,dope_or drugs. Horses are g6od-for-the connuniiy youngpeople.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Subject: Chanhas sen Trail System
Nature Trails
Nov. 'l , 19BB
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Does Mr. Erhart realize the Ioca1 econonic impact gen-erated by the horse? Therers the fatter vrho ie11s-hay,corn and oats, the veterinarian, the farrier, the fart'stores, the tack stores and the statewide horse racingindustry. The horse supplements the incone of manyCarver County residents. Horse riders deserve the sa.netra j.J. accessibility as anyone.
There is no denying that where therers a horse, therewill .eventu?lly U" manure. -They are not toilei-trained,but then neither are deer, fox, iaccoon, dogs, cats, orthe huge flocks of ducks and geese!
Letts make the Chanhassen trail systen a welcome placefor all nature lovers, athletic eirthusiasts, wifOiiie-watchers and serenity seekers. The horseba6k rider isall of these !
Sincerely,
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JoAru: Hal-Igren
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Frorrr: Davi d R. Headl a
Ttre irrtent *f tlris paper is rr,:t ta discredit the p,:siiionpsFer prepared by Tirrr Erlrart regardirrg trai 1s arrd hnrses, br-rtta preserrt i\rloth*r p,:,i;it nf vi.ew a1d pEirlt oLrt E,:,nleposi iive a5pe,:ts uf pc.rriritting tr,:rses ,flt trails. I feei i iail
conlrrrent much mare c,b jetrtively tlran Tirrr f ,rr in tlre f irst pl a,:eI lrave n,ft tak€n a speci f ic pgsition. l'lany fa.tors have tc, be
ConEidered in establislrirrg.a llDr selpede5t r i an 'trall, houeverTirirt= paper ,:rrly tourhed arr tlre Bnloti,tr'raI i=slres. I h.rve bi.errinvolved with lr,:rses f ,:r over !5 years, d,:!ne a tonsiderable
ar['tr1tlr t sf trail ri.ding, and l]ave bee]r the Eity horEeirrspe,:tor ever sirr,:e tlre city .,tLrnci1 approved the horse
ordina11,:e.
PIeage refer t,l Tirr'rtE paper and iterri n,r 1, "tlr: strarp slroein,:ident".
At otre tinre tlre area of uest Lal*:* l,li nt1e,,,lashta supp,lrted over
1OO trarses arld it still lras a signi ficar]t [rorse poprrlati,:,r.t.
N,=w i f w{. assurrie ear}r hnr =e has f aur sltarp sh,:,es arrd t}rey
mlfve ar'trLr|rd s': earlr slrne str i kes tlre ground on arr average^ ofon,:e sver-r/ f ulrr serond:: f ,:r tetr h,-,Lrrs a day ( a ,::,iiEervati vecalEul.ati,fn), tlren there would be 3, Ef-)i-), O(JLI "sltarp sh,]eg
strih:itrg tlre gr':lrrrd every ?4 ltnLrrs. If tire "sharp sIrr'e" had
tlre dis;rsl;,rr,:us irrrpart t-trat Tirrr,s Fsper !.JLru1d ttavc- y,fu tobelieve, i;l-'*n we w,:,Lt1d l'teve n,f past{..{r{.s and tt,:, lawns fc,r itaIl w,:ur1d lrave er,:ded anC b*en washtrd intLl Lalie l*1i rrrr*washta.
' Nt',*, sr. ;r11 htr,:w tlrat jr-rst di.d n,:,t llapFer't, .,1(r pa=tLires are
sti11 viaLlE -1il ii vJ[]crr it rairr:: tlre pas';rrre retiins tlie luater
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:Ii>Hfti*?*Jrrj,it.I t em uumber 2 contailrs Etatefr'rents that are misleading arrd
ffiS.6.rfi "di c at e la,:k of knowledge of the real situatiE,n. l,Jlren otre
1l%'lI - - g'tres riding, otre wi i L brr-rslr tlr':ir [r,:rse ;ind c1ear1 t[reir f eet
,s.I.':;i; j :: befere arld af ter ridi|lg. One di*s n'f,t u/ait for it to stop' " rai,rirg -rrrd tir*rr g,:, tr:.i1 riclirrg irrrr,*di.-itely. I clontt l; n,--, ',.atly':irle wlr,r lil.ies t,: starld in rrrud tr;ring tn get tlrei.r hr-,rse
ready tr, ride. Orre tlre 'fther hand, it nray te raining, .Jr
just qr-tit raiiring, arrd everytlrirlg is s,:,f li and nrllddy. If y,:,,-r
arc- a rurlrler, espe,:ially a corirpetitive or1e, or have an all-
terrain bity,:1s, y!:'Lr gn ,fut and uge tlrc- trai l. Tlre Hyland
bi !,:e pattrs and Lal.:r. C.rl lr,:,r-rrr are e:(EFI Ierrt exanrples nf hc,w
danraging rurlners carr be wlren tlrey "have to get itl their
mi1eage", fnr all tlle horseba,:t,: trail riding I lravs dotre atrd
seen, rLrnnerE and dirt bike riders do much mDra damagei ' Yes,
I have beerr part of that runn j. r'lg gr,:,Lrp. One justi f ies thc
runlring ,:n wet ground be.ause you- "have to gei your mili6de, -;
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Otr it*rrr nLtfirb€r 3, a r*sF,:l=ibl e l-',::,rEeptji, E('n d,:,es n,ft gett[reir [r*rse i.rrt,: tirr-.ge i-, tLtati.,r]; =iirrpi7, if for r.l,l Dtlterreas,]rl, tt.ris ig an e]:,:r:11cr]t way t,: in jurr* yDur hrfrse. NL.r(,,rit is fair t,f say there i-- a certain perEentage that willride in tlre nrurk, likewi-e tlrere is s ,:*rtairr per:errtag* t,fpedestrians that pith pr,rtected f I,furerl; ar.rd caltails. EarhgrELlp has a sn:al l perrentage ttret prr.:errt a bad inrage, d,:,nr tjuoge al1 by a f ew. I think tlre h,:rse pe.,:ple carr rotrtr,:1 t,:a great ey;terit tr'le ]"bad" h,:rsepe,rpl e the same as the
snr-rwrrrub i Ie clubg have'done so r.relI in ,:reating a p,tEit iveimage of snDwmr."rb i I erE,
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. .,'. ,, h*r s* ,:r,"J; rr an,:... I lrave nevu.r seen an appi i{.1biL,n uL,r l.tave I' visited tlrr. Tinr E.lr..rrt r e,; i ,:J *;r,:: i. f,:,1. .-r. il,:,i-,:;e i,:p*,:ti,:,r.1 .. li,:,(,
to itn,:w r,Jt-r y y,lu avr-ri ded ,:br*yiirg the ordinan,:e lridr se,:,_rr1d, I
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',:.'. ;.t- ftem-nurrih+r E d*ri;,:r-rsi:ri.tas :.. La. 1.. ,:, f l:rr,:,wiedge ,:,f what
16.;?i.r.$n;-tr .really . happen= wherr trail. ridlrrg. we lraij a nistitrg dlr,:l; in
.,,i.il l::t ?:l=r:,:* I w.r: r;:t1fi,.,g o,., Ltre gr,:r_r.d ",rj friqi,,t*.ed trer
! ,, rnt,: flight. Se.,.ei,si tinres ,:,tr [].:,r.rb;r,:f:: ,_,1 tlie llrrrlesotaXlver bott,lri, r.J€ were able t,_r ride p.est, deer arrd u,:,t gtartletlrerrr. At 1rh.- Hy1".nd bi l":* trail I h.:v; tittraity startti_Odeer wi.rif €, rL1r.*1irig ar,d s,rr.rt th*r,i ,:f f in f,-Lif if ight.
't.,if *., rur'lri.g tfie ii,-,,-:,d Lari.* F,r.-=erve w.- st*r t:e:d duclls arrd gei]se
c un i i n ut,:r-r = I 7 . rjtlUirfe terrd> t,_, tr,:,t ;p,-,,:,i:: at atr,-r;trer .trrirrral. ualking 1.,y, but tl-rey arr, c,:t.rdi ti,:nr"d t., t," ii".ti*A Uy t.,,r,n"nCL,r:Eene=s.TI
Far i t +rn uulnlrrii- 7 I vr,:tr, t nse rriy itO lr,:r.s1r exstriple agairr.
Nor.r for sc'rrie ,f,f tlle nrore p,:sitive asperts.
Hy ,:nrrrpatry lr.rs s:=i grc.d ,-ne ,:,f t !r r,,i. r pt r =,-:,r.$re1 t,: ihe
Mi.nneapnl is art"a. He caLled nre tlri:s m,:rrrri g (: 1O/:1/BB: anduas asking ab'fut a partirular plaie in r::tr arr lrassen . ThereaiDr.r he had picl:ed this place was it trad tlrree u,lc,ded a(resand an e?i!:r11enb pl.rie tr, l.;eep a [],:,rsc. Tlre f.rrr,ily i= f r.:rrr,Huntsville and the dar-rglrter is int'f h':rses, It i= rrrandat,:ryin tlri;ir faltrily.ttteit tht_,y Iind -r plare wher.e tlreir dauglrtercan have a llorse. Tlrei.r rati,:,rlale iE they want heritrterested irr lr,:rg*g jt.r=t as l,rng as prJssibIe. There isplenty af tirrre after tlrat for lrer to find out abaut b*ys.
There are two yonng girls tlrat ea,:h have a yearling arrd tlreywalk past L.tlrr pLa,:* jr-tst -eb*rrt e./,:r y day. f c,tre ta[;es tinr* tarratih thefti, they iir-e tryir,g tc' learn ab,:ut t[re anirnal ttteylave, t^lhat better *ay tc' lrave ttrr.se y.ruflg ladies spend theirtirrie .ls ':'Fr-if,,.{"-d tr, bertrg i11v,:,1vEd witlr ,:t,hers arld d,ring r.rltat
Pe*r pi'eEsLr.re di,:t.lte:. I feel He sh'lLtlC stru,:tLrre ,:,ui- trailst(, help these y,:urrrg penple rather ttran pr esent tlre negativ* 1
rrat ur e of h.,rse=.
l"ly dsuglrt*r was ':,ne of jlist sever.rl y,:Lrng ladieE in aur areathat lived every day just str they ,:c,uld be with their hr,r-qe,
Ttris iatr b* a ver'y pnsitive. asieb t,r the rity. 5,:, many of ELrr
y,lurrg pesple ,:an feel weekends ar-e riade for h,:rEebark ridirlg.0thers may f*El "we+kerrd= flre r.rade for Hittrel,:b". Whi,:tr
shnul d ** s,-rpp':r t",.
l.le use to hav* a "f-ronti-er tl:errie", itr our city. Blrsinesse5
had Fr*rrbier iri tlre^ir rlarr?, tire.r-e qra:; a Fr,lrrt j.er Saddie tl;I ub
and wlretr tir*re ua= a pirade yatr rr,r-rld .,trLlr1t an the saddle
rlub and t[-re t]:;rver Eaur:ty Fosse to supp,:rt tlre parade (and
tlr* ban[,: hc'1dup). N,:w a I*t u.1f tlrat snpp,:rt h.{s beer] l,lst.
Fi r,;l I y befDre this trail systeni is really set, uhy haven't
c.rse peoplc. beerr heard f r,:nr'l [.lt^ need at least orre trai 1to tlre Hinnesata Eiver b*tt,:rrr. '!
l,lhen ttre lr,rrsE ,-rrdin3r'lae was b*ilrg f orri,r-rlatecJ lrorse people
arld 11,:t1 h':'rsL- F11nple w':r[,:ed tc,getlrer fnr s. fair, ef fe,:tive
ordi.rrerrre. tJ[ry is tl']ere: r']t't sL(,: i't an ad lrr,t c,-1r rr)ittee tcrres,rlve tlre [r,:i-se trail issue?
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CITY OF FY.r
EHINHISSEN
690 COULTER DRIVE ' P.O. BOX 147 ' CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317
(612) 937-1900
November I0, 198 8
Mrs. Ginger Gross
2703 Ches Mar Farm RoadExcelsior, MN 55331
Dear Mrs. Gross:
In speaking with you today, it appeared that you felt that
complete information is not being presented to tshe Planning
Commission and City Council concerning the Ches Mar Farm PUD.
You stated that you have been in contact with certain Planning
Commissioners and City Council members to present information you
have abouc the Ches Mar Farm PUD. You also stated that you werenot notified of when the Planning Commission reviewed. Lhe Chesllar Farm PUD proposal presented by Brad Johnson.
The Planning Conmission, this past fa11-1988, did review a sketchplan proposal for the subdivision of the Ches Mar Farm PUD pre-
sented by Brad Johnson. Since this was a sketch p1an, it sras notrequired to have a pubJ-ic hearing, therefore, property ovrners
were not not.if ied. The sketch plan review was for the Planning
Commission to review the item to deterinine r,rhether or not the
applicant should go forward with the preliminary plat at whichtime forma.j. recommendations would be made and the public would
have the opportunity to have input on the proposal .
I met with you al-so in October, 1988, where you had presented
some facts about $rhat had been happening with t.he Ches Mar Farmproperty, stating that proposaLs had been made to purchase some
of the lots and that these proposals had been refused and in turn
certain people were saying that they were unable to selI the pro-
percy and needed to pursue other options with the property. At
that time, I stated that we hatl not. heard of this information and
that this should be presented to the Planning Commission and City
Council. I asked you to put your comments in writing which could
be included in the planning report. As of this date, I have not
received such a letter. After today's phone conversation, it is
ny understanding that you sti1l feel that this infornation is not.
being presented to t.he proper parties. Again, I erould request
that you submit your conwents in writing in the form of a letter
to my attention. When the Ches Mar Farm PUD proposal is again
presented to the Planning Commission and city Council this Letter
will be included in the packet.
Mrs. Ginger Gross
November 10, 1988
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r apologize if you feel that your corunents have not been receivedano/or passecl on by staff. We have been trying to give you thecorrect guidance on what to do with your corunents and cont,inue towelcome any letters or corunents that you may have.
Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
S i ncerely ,
.b/at-,^ Aarz_t
Jo Ann OlsenAssistant City planner
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