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12-4-96 Agenda and Packet FIL E AGENDA CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION WEDNESDAY,DECEMBER 4, 1996 AT 7:00 P.M. CHANHASSEN CITY HALL,690 COULTER DRIVE • CALL TO ORDER OLD BUSINESS • 1. Site plan review for a 45,505 square foot Americinn Motel & Suites located on Lot 1, Block 1, Villages on the Ponds,John Seibert. PUBLIC HEARINGS NEW BUSINESS 2. Site Plan Review for a greenhouse and office building addition on to Lotus Lawn and Garden located on 2.3 acres of property zoned BH, Highway Business District and located north of Hwy. 5, 78 West 78th Street, Jay Kronick. 3. Amendment to the City Code to prohibit chemical treatment of the algae in wetlands. 4. Elect Chair and Vice Chair for 1997. APPROVAL OF MINUTES CITY COUNCIL UPDATE ONGOING ITEMS OPEN DISCUSSION ADJOURNMENT NOTE: Planning Commission meetings are scheduled to end by 10:30 p.m.as outlined in official by-laws. We will make every attempt to complete the hearing for each item on the agenda. If,however,this does not appear to be possible,the Chair person will notify those present and offer rescheduling options. Items thus pulled from consideration will be listed first on the agenda at the next Commission meeting. C i TY O F PC DATE: November 6, 1996 � ��N�� December 4, 1996 i� a CC DATE: December 16, 1996 CASE #: 96-13 SPR B : Al-Jaff:v STAFF REPORT PROPOSAL: Site plan approval for a 45,505 sq. ft. motel and suites facility on 3.5 acres. }-- LOCATION: East of Great Plains Blvd. and south of Hwy. 5 - Lot 1, Block 1, Villages on the Ponds V0 APPLICANT: John Seibert Northcott Company 18202 Minnetonka Boulevard 18202 Minnetonka Boulevard Deephaven, MN 55391 Deephaven, MN 55391 a (612)476-2600 (612)476-2600 Q PRESENT ZONING: PUD as part of Villages on the Ponds ACREAGE: 3.5 acres ADJACENT ZONING , AND LAND USE: N- BH, Highway 5 S- PUD, Villages on the Ponds E - PUD, Villages on the Ponds W - IOP, Rosemount QWATER AND SEWER: Available to the site 10 PHYSICAL CHARACTER: The site contains mature trees with meandering elevations. It is ]� proposed to be mass graded as part of the subdivision as soon as the City receives a signed Development Contract and appropriate financial security. 2000 LAND USE PLAN: Mixed Use-Commercial,High Density Residential,Institutional and Office as part of Villages on the Ponds '110likIlk"91. #41141 Iv -. * •.• Pm(->ri, , r-1 Um'- „A el% ` ' \ Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 2 On November 6, 1996, the Planning Commission reviewed and tabled this application and directed to make revisions to the site plan proposal. These revisions included architectural design of the building, street furniture, pavers to carry the Villages on the Pond character, landscaping, color scheme,type of lighting,and signage detail. The applicants have been very cooperative and worked closely with staff to incorporate the requested changes. We believe that the revised plans resulted in a high quality product that meets the intent of the Villages on the Ponds. This staff report has been edited to reflect those changes. New information will appear in bold and impertinent information is struck out. PROPOSAL/SUMMARY The applicant is requesting site plan approval for a 45,505 sq. ft. motel and suites facility, Americinn, on 3.5 acres. An expansion of 6,870 square foot expansion is also envisioned as part of the ultimate plan for the site rendering a total of 52,375 sq. ft. The site is zoned PUD, Planned Unit Development. The property is included in the Villages on the Ponds project and is bordered by Highway 5 to the north and Market Boulevard to the west. The lot area of the site is 3.5 acres. The site is visible directly from Highway 5 and has full access from proposed Lake Drive and Main Street which are anticipated to be constructed in 1997. The plans also propose a direct access out to Market Boulevard (Trunk Highway 101). Comments have been received from MnDOT and Carver County Public Works regarding this access point. Due to safety concerns and roadway geometries, both agencies recommended against direct access on to Market Boulevard(Trunk Highway 101) from the parking lot. They suggest altering the parking lot design as staff has recommended. This issue is discussed in detail under(Access/Parking Lot Circulation). At the November 6, 1996, Planning Commission meeting,the applicants indicated that they have been engaging in discussions with the Department of Transportation and Carver County Public Works. They believe they will be able to convince these departments to allow a right-in/out only on this access point. At the meeting,staff recommended that direct access from Market Boulevard remain prohibited unless approved otherwise by MNDOT and Carver County Public Works if applicable. The site plan is for the Americinn Motel and Suites. The building is "L" shaped and is proposed to utilize painted wood as the main building material. Brick is proposed to be integrated into the building, on the chimney and at the lower base of the building. Brick also extends up to the top of the dormers giving the building a sense of relief. There are numerous decorative elements in this structure such as round columns with a square base,balconies,anp4af-windows, arches, staggered roof elevations, and outdoor seating area. The applicant will provide materials at the meeting. Since the November 6th Planning Commission meeting,the applicants revised the Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 3 design of the building by additional cupolas, dormers, and balconies along the west elevation. The roof line for the entry way into the building has been raised to reflect a double pitched roof. The light fixtures reflect the design of the columns. The sidewalks have been redesigned to reflect a decorative design element that can be found throughout the overall design of the Villages on the Ponds. Benches and flower boxes have also been added. Parking is proposed along Highway 5, and east and south of the proposed building. Staff struggled with this idea. On the one hand, the Villages on the Ponds standards require buildings to face proposed Main Street with parking placed behind them. This scenario places parking along Highway 5. On the other hand, the Highway 5 Corridor Study prohibits parking along the corridor. Staff also examined the future overall development, specifically when the adjacent parcel to the east is developed. The proposed parking lot could potentially double in size. We have arrived at a workable solution. The firm of BRW has been commissioned to develop a comprehensive landscape plan for the Villages on the Ponds project. This plan is subject to approval by the City. The landscape plan, specifically along Highway 5, has been improved drastically, by illuminating parking spaces and replacing them with a green space area which incorporates berms, meandering trails, and landscaping. landscaping: The buildings will require 78 parking spaces. The applicant is providing 9 98 spaces. The 109 . . - - - - - .. U. - Staff is recommending approval of the site plan with conditions in the staff report and subject to the final PUD agreement for Villages on the Ponds. BACKGROUND The proposed development is included in the Villages on the Ponds project which received conceptual PUD approval on December 11, 1995. Villages on the Ponds received preliminary PUD approval on August 12, 1996 and final PUD approval on September 23, 1996. The plat is in the process of being recorded with Carver County. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 4 GENERAL SITE PLAN/ARCHITECTURE The building is"L"shaped and is stepped up from one to three stories with 76 rooms/suites. The exterior of the building is proposed to utilize painted wood as the main material. Brick is proposed to be integrated into the building, on the chimney and the lower portion of the building. Brick is also added along the entire length of the walls below dormers. There are numerous decorative elements in this structure such as columns, balconies, angular windows, arches, staggered roof elevations, and outdoor seating area. Since the November 6th Planning Commission meeting, the applicant revised the design of the building by additional cupolas, dormers, and balconies along the west elevation. The roof line for the entry way into the building has been raised to reflect a double pitched roof. The light fixtures reflect the design of the columns. The sidewalks have been redesigned to reflect a decorative design element that can be found throughout the overall design of the Villages on the Ponds. Benches and flower boxes have also been added to comply with the PUD requirement to incorporate street furniture within the development. _ .. S _ - _ ... - r- . .- As part of the Villages on the Ponds Development, design standards have been established for subsequent development of the individual properties. DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS a. Intent The purpose of this zone is to create a mixed use PUD consisting of commercial, institutional, office, and residential uses. The use of the PUD zone is to allow for more flexible design Americ inn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 5 standards while creating a higher quality and more sensitive proposal. All utilities are required to be placed underground. Each lot proposed for development shall proceed through site plan review based on the development standards outlined below. b. Permitted Uses The permitted uses in this zone should be limited to uses as defined below or similar uses to those as listed in the Standard Industrial Classification. If there is a question as to the whether or not a use meets the definition, the Planning Director shall make that interpretation. No single retail user shall exceed 20,000 square feet on a single level of a building. A maximum of thirty- three (33) percent of the square footage of the retail users within the development may be of a "big box"category. The intent of this requirement is to provide a variety of users, including small retail shops, service providers, coffee shops, cabarets, etc., for residents of the Villages as well as the community as a whole, rather than typical suburban type large, individual users dominating the development and detracting from the"village"character. Retail users should be those that support and compliment the residential development located within the development, providing goods and services which enhance residents of the village and the community. Office. Professional and business office,non-retail activity except for showroom type display area for products stored or manufactured on-site provided that no more than 20 percent of the floor space is used for such display and sales. bank/credit union finance, insurance and real estate health services - except nursing homes and hospitals engineering,accounting,research management and related services legal services Personal Services. Establishments primarily engaged in providing services involving the care of a person or his or her personal goods or apparel. dry cleaning beauty or barbershop shoe repair photographic studio tax return preparation laundromat health club optical goods computer services day care center Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 6 copying mail stores Institutional. Establishments that are public/semi-public in nature. church library education services day care art gallery dance studio cultural facility Commercial/Retail. Establishments engaged in commercial operations including retail sales and services and hospitality industries. Apparel and Accessory Stores shoe stores electronic and music store and musical instruments restaurant- no drive through restaurant- fast food only if integrated into a building no freestanding fast food and no drive through drug store/pharmacy book/stationary jewelry store hobby/toy game gift novelty and souvenir sewing, needlework and piece good florist camera and photographic supply art and art supplies, gallery sporting goods video rental food stores including bakery and confectionery hardware store computer store hotel/motel entertainment liquor store pets and pet supplies home furnishings Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 7 Residential. Residential units shall be provided as upper level units above the commercial/office uses within the village core and as stand alone units. A minimum of 50 percent of the residential units shall be rental units. Of the rental units,the city has adopted a goal of 35 percent of the units meeting the Metropolitan Council's affordable criteria. For the ownership housing,the city has adopted the goal of 50 percent of the units meeting the Metropolitan Council's affordable criteria. Prohibited Uses: auto related including auto sales, auto repair, gas stations c. Setbacks In the PUD standards, there is the requirement for landscape buffering in addition to building and parking setbacks. The following setbacks shall apply: Building Parking - Great Plains Blvd.: Buffer yard& Setback C, 0' 0' Market Blvd.: Buffer yard& Setback C, 50' 20' Hwy. 5: Buffer yard& Setback B, 50' 20' Interior Side Lot Line: Buffer yard& setback NA, 0' 0' East Perimeter Side Lot Line(adjacent to D, 50' 50' residential): Buffer yard & setback West Perimeter Side Lot Line(adjacent to B, 50 20 industrial): Buffer yard& setback Buffer yards are as specified in the City of Chanhassen Landscaping and Tree Removal Ordinance,Article XXV. No fences shall be permitted between the required landscape buffer and arterial and collector roads. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 8 d. Development Site Coverage and Building Height 1. The PUD standard for hard surface coverage is 70% for the overall development. Individual lots may exceed this threshold,but in no case shall the average exceed 70 percent.. 2. More than one(1)principal structure may be placed on one(1)platted lot. 3. The maximum building height shall be Sector I - three stories (with residential loft)/50 ft. (retail and office buildings without residences above shall be limited to two stories/30 feet), Sector II - three stories/40 ft., Sector III - three stories/40 ft., exclusive of steeples and bell towers, and Sector IV - four stories/50 feet 4. The maximum building footprint for any one building shall be limited to 20,000 square feet without a street level break in the continuity of the building, e.g.,pedestrian passageways, except for the church and residential only buildings. 5. The following table shall govern the amount of building area for the different uses: Commercial/ Office/Service Institutional Dwelling TOTAL sq. ft. Retail (sq. ft.) (sq. ft.) (sq. ft.) Units Sector I 114,500 70,500 @ 0 154 185,000 Sector II 60,000 * 14,000 0 0 74,000 Sector III 0 0 100,000 0 100,000 Sector IV 0 32,000 @ 0 112 @ 32,000 TOTAL 174,500 116,500 100,000 266 391,000 @ As an alternative,the office/service could be increase by 13,000 square feet in Sector I if the 32,000 square foot office building is deleted in Sector IV and replaced with 56 additional dwelling units. * Includes 47,200 square foot, 106 unit motel. Building square footages may be reallocated between sectors subject to approval by the Planning Director. Building square footages may be reallocated between uses subject to approval of the Planning Director. However, the reallocation of building square footages between uses shall only be permitted to a less intensive use, i.e. from commercial to office or institutional, or from office to institutional. In no instance shall more than 27,000 square feet of addition institutional building square footage be reallocated without an amendment to the PUD. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 9 e. Building Materials and Design 1. The PUD requires that the development demonstrate a higher quality of architectural standards and site design. The intent is to create a pedestrian friendly, "traditional" village character consistent with the European heritage of the upper midwest and the atmosphere within this development, yet with the amenities and technological tools of modern times. The village elevations shown on the PUD drawings are to be used only as a general guideline and the reflection of the overall village image including the north- midwestern architectural vocabulary, village like human scale and flavor, and variety in design and facade treatment. 2. All materials shall be of high quality and durable. Major exterior surfaces of all walls shall be face brick, stone,glass, stucco, architecturally treated concrete,cast in place panels, decorative block,cedar siding,vinyl siding in residential with support materials,or approved equivalent as determined by the city. Color shall be introduced through colored block or panels and not painted block or brick. Bright, long,continuous bands are prohibited. Bright or brilliant colors and sharply contrasting colors may be used only for accent purposes and shall not exceed 10 percent of a wall area. 3. Block shall have a weathered face or be polished, fluted,or broken face. Exposed cement ("cinder") blocks shall be prohibited. 4. Metal siding,gray concrete,curtain walls and similar materials will not be approved except as support material to one of the above materials, or as trim or as HVAC screen,and may not exceed more than 25 percent of a wall area. 5. All accessory structures shall be designed to be compatible with the primary structure. 6. All roof mounted equipment shall be screened by walls of compatible appearing material. Wood screen fences are prohibited. All exterior process machinery,tanks, etc., are to be fully screened by compatible materials. All mechanical equipment shall be screened with material compatible to the building. 7. The buildings shall have varied and interesting detailing. The use of large unadorned, concrete panels and concrete block,or a solid wall unrelieved by architectural detailing, such as change in materials, change in color, fenestrations, or other significant visual relief provided in a manner or at intervals in keeping with the size,mass, and scale of the wall and its views from public ways shall be prohibited. Acceptable materials will incorporate textured surfaces, exposed aggregate and/or other patterning. All walls shall be given added architectural interest through building design or appropriate landscaping. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 10 8. Space for recycling shall be provided in the interior of all principal or accessory structures. 9. There shall not be underdeveloped backsides of buildings. All elevations shall receive nearly equal treatment and visual qualities. 10. The materials and colors used for each building shall be selected in context with the adjacent building and provide for a harmonious integration with them. Extreme variations between buildings on the same street in terms of overall appearance, bulk and height, setbacks and colors shall be prohibited. 11. Slope roof elements shall be incorporated in all structures: Sector I - minimum 70 percent of roof area shall be sloped, Sector II - minimum of 70 percent of the roof area shall be sloped, Sector III - minimum of 30 percent of the roof area shall be sloped, and Sector IV - minimum of 70 percent of the roof area shall be sloped. An exception to this requirement are roof areas designed for human use such as decks, garden areas, patios, etc., which will not be counted towards flat roof area. 12. The following design elements should be incorporated into individual structures: Building Accents Towers, silos, arches, columns, bosses, tiling, cloisters, colonnades, buttresses, loggias, marquees, minarets,portals, reveals,quoins, clerestories,pilasters. Roof Types Barrow, dome, gable, hip, flat. Roof Accents Cupolas,cornices,belfries, turrets,pinnacles, look-outs, gargoyles,parapets, lanterns. Accent elements such as towers,turrets, spires, etc., shall be excluded from the sector building height limitation. Window Types Bay, single paned,multi-paned, angular, square,rectangular, half-round, round, italianate. Window Accents Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 11 Plant boxes, shutters, balconies, decks,grates, canopies, awnings, recesses, embrasures, arches, lunettes. 13. Street level windows shall be provided for a minimum of 50 percent of the ground level wall area. f. Site Landscaping and Screening 1. All buffer landscaping, including boulevard landscaping, included in Phase I shall be installed when the grading of the phase is completed. This may well result in landscaping being required ahead of individual site plan approvals, but we believe the buffer yard and plantings, in particular, need to be established immediately. In addition, to adhere to the higher quality of development as spelled out in the PUD zone,all loading areas shall be screened. Each lot for development shall submit a separate landscaping plan as a part of the site plan review process. 2. All open spaces and non-parking lot surfaces, except for plaza area, shall be landscaped, rockscaped, or covered with plantings and/or lawn material. Tree wells shall be included in pedestrian areas and plazas. 3. Storage of material outdoors is prohibited. 4. Undulating or angular berms 3'to 5'in height, south of Highway 5 and along Market Boulevard shall be sodded or seeded at the conclusion of grading and utility construction. The required buffer landscaping may be installed where it is deemed necessary to screen any proposed development. All required boulevard landscaping shall be sodded. 5. Loading areas shall be screened from public right-of-ways. Wing walls may be required where deemed appropriate. 6. Native species shall be incorporated into site landscaping,whenever possible. g. Signage 1. One project identification sign shall be permitted for the development at each end of Lake Drive and at the south end of Main Street. Project identification sign(s)may also be located at the entrances to the development(s) in Sector IV. Project identification signs shall not exceed 24 square feet in sign display area nor be greater than five feet in height. One project identification sign, with a maximum height of 20 feet, which may be increased in height subject to city approval based on the design and scale of the sign, designed as a gateway to the project shall be located at the north end of Main Street. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 12 Individual lots are not permitted low profile ground business sign. Within Sector III, one sign for the church and one sign for the school may be placed on streetscape walls. The top of the signs shall not extend more than eight feet above the ground and the total sign area for the signs shall not exceed 64 square feet. Pylon signs are prohibited. The sign treatment is an element of the architecture and thus should reflect the quality of the development. The signs should be consistent in color, size, and material and height throughout the development. A common theme will be introduced at the development's entrance monument and will be used throughout. 2. All signs require a separate sign permit. 3. Wall business signs shall comply with the city's sign ordinance for the central business district for determination of maximum sign area. Wall signs may be permitted on the "street" front and primary parking lot front of each building. 4. Projecting signs are permitted along Main Street and Lake Drive and along pedestrian passageways subject to the conditions below. Signage Plan and Restrictions Wall Signs 1. The location of letters and logos shall be restricted to the approved building sign bands, the tops of which shall not extend greater than 20 feet above the ground. In Sector II, sign height may be increase based on the criteria that the signage is compatible with and complementary to the building architecture and design. The letters and logos shall be restricted to a maximum of 30 inches in height. All individual letters and logos comprising each sign shall be constructed of wood,metal,or translucent facing. 2. If illuminated, individual dimensional letters and logos comprising each sign may be any of the following: a. Exposed neon/fiber optic, b. Open channel with exposed neon, c. Channel Letters with acrylic facing, d. Reverse channel letters (halo lighted), or e. Externally illuminated by separate lighting source. 3. Tenant signage shall consist of store identification only. Copy is restricted to the tenant's proper name and major product or service offered. Corporate logos, emblems and similar Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 13 identifying devices are permitted provided they are confined within the signage band and do not occupy more than 15%of the sign area unless the logo is the sign. 4. Within Sector II, architecturally,building-integrated panel tenant/logo sign may be permitted based on criteria that the signage is compatible with and complementary to the building design and architecture. 5. Back lit awnings are prohibited. Projecting Signs 1. The letters and logos shall be restricted to the approved building sign area. 2. All wooden signs shall be sandblasted and letters shall be an integral part of the building's architecture. 3. Signage shall consist of store identification only. Copy is restricted to the tenant's proper name and major product or service offered and such minimal messages such as date of establishment of business. Corporate logos, emblems and similar identifying devices are permitted provided they are confined within the signage band or within the projecting sign and do not occupy more than fifteen(15)percent of the sign display area. 4. Projecting signs shall be stationary, may not be self-illuminated but may be lighted by surface mounted fixtures located on the sign or the adjacent facade. 5. Projecting signs shall be limited to one per tenant on street frontage and pedestrian passageway and my not exceed six square feet. Letters shall have a maximum height of 12 inches. 6. Projecting signs shall be a minimum of eight feet above the sidewalk and shall not project more than six feet from the building facade. 7. Plastic,plexi-glass, clear plex, or similar material projecting signs are prohibited unless used in conjunction with other decorative materials. 8. Projecting signs may be painted,prefinished, or utilize exposed metal. Any exposed metal shall be anodized aluminum, stainless steel, titanium,bronze, or other similar non- corrosive or ono-oxidizing materials. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 14 Window Signs 1. Window signs shall not cover more than 25 percent of the window area in which they are located. 2. Window signs shall not use bright, garish, or neon paint, tape, chalk, or paper. Menu Signs 1. Shall be located at eye level adjacent to tenant entries and shall not exceed 4 feet in height. 2. Shall be used only to convey daily specials, menus and offerings and shall be wood framed chalkboard and/or electronic board with temporary handwritten lettering. No paper construction or messages will be permitted. 3. Menu signs shall be limited to one per tenant and may not exceed 8 square feet. Festive Flags/Banners 1. Flags and banners shall be permitted on approved standards attached to the building facade and on standards attached to pedestrian area lighting. 2. Plastic flags and banners are prohibited. 3. Flags and banners shall be constructed of fabric. 4. Banners shall not contain advertising for individual users, businesses, services, or products. 5. Flags and banners shall project from buildings a maximum of two feet. 6. Flags and banners shall have a maximum area of 10 square feet. 7. Flags and banners which are torn or excessively worn shall be removed at the request of the city. Building Directory 1. In multi-tenant buildings, one building directory sign may be permitted. The directory sign shall not exceed eight square feet. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 15 Pole Directory Sign 1. Pole directory signs consisting of single poles with individual nameplate type directional arrows may be located within the development. 2. Pole directory sign shall not exceed 15 feet in height. 3. Directory signs shall be a minimum of eight feet above the sidewalk. 4. A maximum of eight directory signs may be provided per pole. 5. The maximum size of an individual sign shall be 18 inches long by four inches wide. 6. Poles shall be a minimum of 10 feet behind the curb. h. Lighting 1. Lighting for the interior of the business center should be consistent throughout the development. The plans do not provide for street lighting. As with previous developments, the City has required the developer to install street lights throughout the street system. 2. A shoe box fixture (high pressure sodium vapor lamps) with decorative natural colored pole shall be used throughout the development parking lot area for lighting. Decorative, pedestrian scale lighting shall be used in plaza and sidewalk areas and may be used in parking lot areas. 3 Lighting equipment similar to what is mounted in the public street right-of-ways shall be used in the private areas. 4. All light fixtures shall be shielded. Light level for site lighting shall be no more than 1/2 candle at the project perimeter property line. This does not apply to street lighting. 5. Light poles shall be limited to a height of 20 feet. i. Parking Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 16 1. Parking shall be provided based on the shared use of surface parking areas whenever possible. Cross access easements and the joint use of parking facilities shall be protected by a recorded instrument acceptable to the city. 2. A minimum of 75 percent of a building's parking shall be located to the"rear"of the structure and in underground garages. 3. The development shall be treated as a integrated shopping center and provide a minimum of one space per 200 square feet of commercial/retail area. The office/personal service component shall be treated as an integrated office building and provide 4.5 space per 1,000 square feet for the first 49,999 square feet, four per thousand square feet for the second 50,000 square feet, and 3.5 per thousand square feet thereafter. Residential uses shall provide 1.5 spaces per unit as underground parking with visitor spaces provided as part of the commercial/office uses. Within sector IV, visitor parking shall be provided at a rate of 0.5 stalls per unit. Hotel/motels shall comply with city ordinance. Churches/schools shall comply with city ordinance, however, a minimum of 50 percent of the parking shall be shared. LANDSCAPING Staff has calculated the quantities needed to meet ordinance requirements for a commercial development on Highway 5 and applicant has sufficiently met those quantity requirements with the landscaping plan submitted. A total of 5-1-52 trees, including 29 overstory, 18 understory and 5 evergreens,are designated. All trees are scheduled to be the minimum size required by ordinance. However since only 5 evergreen trees are included, the plan comes up short in the areas of parking lot screening and wind protection. Landscaping for the AmericInn development must accomplish three important goals in order to meet the needs of the city and its residents. Plant materials must screen and shade the parking areas and building,provide a comfortable and safe atmosphere for pedestrians, and enhance the Highway 5 corridor. The new plan, as submitted, has retained its species diversity while also improving on its ability to provide screening of the parking area. The applicant has created berms, six to eight feet above the lowest elevation of Highway 5,along the northern parking lot boundary. In that area which is approximately 180 feet long,there will be 3 black hills spruce, 2 sugar maple,2 American linden, 26 compact American cranberry, and 21 Isanti dogwood planted. Both the Isanti dogwood and the compact American cranberry grow to a height of 5 to 6 feet and are deciduous shrubs. The visibility from Highway 5 has been reduced, but not completely blocked. • . . . . -• -: - - . - - - - - - - - - - • - --- - - - - Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 17 -•• . . . . . . . . S _• - _ When viewing this site from Highway 5, it is essential to look at the overall development. Specifically of interest is the property located to the east of the subject site. The concept plan for the PUD proposes a restaurant along the southeast corner. The parking lot is proposed to be located along Highway 5. This parking lot will be contiguous to the hotel parking lot,potentially doubling the size of the proposed hotel parking lot. The Highway 5 corridor standards prohibit parking lots from being located along the highway. As a compromise, staff has developed an alternate plan showing the 11 stalls located along the northern boundary of the parking lot deleted so that the trail and berm may be accommodated within that area. An undulating berm that parallels the trail and shields it from the highway and screens the parking lot as well should be incorporated. Evergreen plantings within that area should also be increased. The applicant has revised the site plan to include an undulating berm and eliminate the eleven parking spaces. Evergreen plantings in the area have not increased, but two more deciduous overstory trees have been added. These trees came from the south side of the building where, on the revised plans, there is now a sidewalk. There are sixteen additional shrubs scheduled to be planted there as well. Planting conifers along the northern boundary will not only assist in screening but also serve as wind and noise breaks. The height of the evergreens will not further inhibit sightlines of businesses to the south since the businesses will eventually be screened by the overstory trees in the parking lot. More trees need be added to the northwest corner of the property to increase the landscaped effect and create an inviting entrance. Overstory trees have not been added to the northwest corner of the property. It must also be pointed out that the firm of BRW has been commissioned to develop a comprehensive landscape plan for boulevards and perimeter of the Villages on the Pond project. This plan is subject to approval by the City. Approval of this site plan will be contingent upon incorporating this landscape plan into the site design. In spite of any future plans for additional landscaping,staff believes there is still room for improvement on the Americinn site. Additional overstory trees and evergreens would improve the north and northwestern areas of the property by providing buffering from the highway, increased appeal of the site and improving the views from the highway. The applicant has provided two islands and twe one peninsula that are ten feet wide,but also has two islands and one peninsula that measure only five feet wide. According to city ordinance, five feet is insufficient for good tree growth and the city requires aeration tubes to be installed in such instances. The applicants are aware of this and has stated they would like to avoid aeration tube installation by excavating existing soil in the islands and peninsulas and replacing it with an appropriate soil mix. This will eliminate the need for aeration because the new soil will not be compacted and consist of a beneficial soil type. Staff is still recommending that aeration tubes be installed in any island or peninsula less than five feet in width. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 18 ACCESS/PARKING LOT CIRCULATION Access to the site will be from proposed Lake Drive and Main Street which is anticipated to be constructed in 1997 by the developer of Villages on the Ponds. The plans also propose a direct access out to Market Boulevard(Trunk Highway 101). This access point has been discussed several times in the past with the preliminary and final plat of Villages on the Ponds. Staff has believed from the beginning that there should not be a direct access point given the close proximity to Trunk Highway 5. The interior parking lot and drive aisles within the Villages project have been redesigned, however, the applicant is still pursuing the direct access to Market Boulevard. Staff has reviewed traffic studies prepared by BRW and SRF. Both studies had concerns about a full access point in this location and recommended that a right-in/right-out only be considered. Staff has received comments back from MnDOT and Carver Public Works (see attached)regarding this access point. Due to safety concerns and roadway geometrics, both agencies recommended against direct access on to Market Boulevard (Trunk Highway 101) from the parking lot. They suggest altering the parking lot design as staff has recommended. At the November 6, 1996, Planning Commission meeting, the applicant stated that they are currently discussing this matter with MnDOT and Carver Public Works and they feel that permission will be granted to allow a right-in/out only. Staff will amend the conditions of approval by allowing the right-in/out contingent upon MnDOT and Carver Public County Works approval. The interior parking lot layout is very similar to the conceptual plan for Villages on the Ponds. Staff has concerns from a public safety standpoint with the tight turning radiuses. The parking lot configuration and drive aisle widths should be reconfigured to accommodate emergency vehicles. Staff has worked with the City's fire marshal on determining the necessary radiuses in order to facilitate the City's aerial fire truck. This will require widening drive aisles and significantly increasing radiuses on the intersections to accommodate turning movements. The applicant's engineering/architect should work with City staff in revising the parking lot layout/configuration to accommodate the City's emergency vehicles. Villages on the Ponds was envisioned as a pedestrian friendly environment. To this end, sidewalks and trails are provided within the parking lot to adjacent parcels for future extension as development progresses. UTILITIES Utilities to the site will be provided by the developer of Villages on the Ponds. This work is anticipated to commence yet this fall,however, realistically given weather conditions and short time line,next spring. The utility layout is fairly straight forward. The City's fire marshal has requested three additional fire hydrants. The plans shall be revised accordingly. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 19 DRAINAGE & GRADING Most of the site will be mass graded in conjunction with the Villages on the Ponds development. Only finish grading will be completed by the applicant. Wetland impacts/mitigation and erosion control measures will also be provided by the developer. Storm drainage will be conveyed via a storm sewer system into a pretreatment pond on site prior to discharging into the wetlands. An additional catch basin should be added across from catch basin/manhole no. 62 and a 15-inch storm sewer lead provided east of catch basin no. 64 for the future parking lot drainage. MISCELLANEOUS The developer of Villages on the Ponds has signed the development/PUD contract and provided the City with security to guarantee installation of public improvements for the site, however, the final plat has not yet been recorded. Staff anticipates the plan will be recorded within the next three to four weeks. Access during construction should be coordinated with the developer(Villages on the Ponds). Construction access directly from Market Boulevard(Trunk Highway 101) or Trunk Highway 5 shall be prohibited. LIGHTING/SIGNAGE The applicant has failed-to shown the lighting of the parking lot. However, details on the type of light has not been included in the plans. The applicant left one set of sketches showing decorative lights in different places around the building. They are fitting for the project but details will have to be submitted to the City. All light fixtures shall meet the criteria established in the PUD standards. Signage is proposed on the east, west and north elevations of the cupola. Primarily, the proposed signage complies with the PUD ordinance. However, a separate sign permit must be submitted for all site signage, except for traffic control signage. SITE PLAN FINDINGS In evaluating a site plan and building plan, the city shall consider the development's compliance with the following: (1) Consistency with the elements and objectives of the city's development guides, including the comprehensive plan,official road mapping, and other plans that may be adopted; Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 20 (2) Consistency with this division; (3) Preservation of the site in its natural state to the extent practicable by minimizing tree and soil removal and designing grade changes to be in keeping with the general appearance of the neighboring developed or developing or developing areas; (4) Creation of a harmonious relationship of building and open space with natural site features and with existing and future buildings having a visual relationship to the development; (5) Creation of functional and harmonious design for structures and site features, with special attention to the following: a. An internal sense of order for the buildings and use on the site and provision of a desirable environment for occupants, visitors and general community; b. The amount and location of open space and landscaping; c. Materials, textures, colors and details of construction as an expression of the design concept and the compatibility of the same with adjacent and neighboring structures and uses; and d. Vehicular and pedestrian circulation, including walkways, interior drives and parking in terms of location and number of access points to the public streets, width of interior drives and access points, general interior circulation, separation of pedestrian and vehicular traffic and arrangement and amount of parking. (6) Protection of adjacent and neighboring properties through reasonable provision for surface water drainage, sound and sight buffers,preservation of views, light and air and those aspects of design not adequately covered by other regulations which may have substantial effects on neighboring land uses. Finding: The proposed development is consistent with the comprehensive plan and is consistent with the Villages on the Ponds design requirements, the zoning ordinance, and the site plan review requirements. The site design as it relates to street furniture and architectural design, meets the intent of the PUD. The landscaping of the site could use additional improvement. In spite of any future plans for additional landscaping,staff believes there is still room for improvement on the Americinn site. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 21 Additional overstory trees and evergreens would improve the north and northwestern areas of the property by providing buffering from the highway, increased appeal of the site and improving the views from the highway. The plans must be revised as it relates to buffers-and landscaping along Highway 5 to become compatible with the surrounding development and enhance the open space and landscaping being established as part of the development of Villages on the Ponds. The site design is functional and incorporated elements from the approved development for this area. Staff is of the opinion that with all the revisions since the last Planning Commission meeting,the building meets the intent of the PUD requirements. PLANNING COMMISION UPDATE On November 6, 1996, the Planning Commission reviewed and tabled this application and directed the applicant to make revisions to the site plan proposal. These revisions included: Architectural design of the building,color scheme: The Planning Commission referred to the building as one of a midwestern theme which is not what the intent of the PUD calls for. The color of the building (gray) was referred to as a cold color. The applicant was directed to reexamine the design and make revisions accordingly. Warmer colors were recommended. Street furniture, pavers to carry the Villages on the Ponds' character, landscaping, type of lighting: The Planning Commission directed to applicant to show in detail type of street furniture used on site, type of street lights, flower boxes, and pavers to give the sidewalks some interest. Signage detail: There is only one type of sign on the site. The sign is located on three facias of the copula. The Planning Commission questioned the type of sign and materials used. The applicant had a sample of the letters at the meeting. The Planning Commission requested detail drawings on the signage. The applicants have been very cooperative and have worked closely with staff to incorporate the requested changes. We believe that the revised plans resulted in a high quality product that meets the intent of the Villages on the Ponds. RECOMMENDATION Staff recommends that the Planning Commission adopt the following motion: "The Planning Commission recommends approval of Site Plan 96-13 for a 45,505 square foot Americinn Motel and Suites facility as shown in plans dated October 7, 1996, subject to the following conditions: Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 22 1. -- . -- - - - . . . .. .- . . . 2. .- - -" ,. .. . - - . . . . : -- .. . ... - .. . . . . - . shall_be.a.+Hinimufwef'1 44f et 3. At-least-fwe At-least-fMore evergreens shall be planted along the northern boundary. 4. More deciduous overstory or evergreen trees should be added to the northwest corner of the property to increase the landscaped effect. 5. Aeration tubes must be installed in islands and peninsulas less than 10 feet wide. Applicant must provide plans and insurance of success if alternatives are requested. 6. The applicants shall incorporate the comprehensive landscape plan currently being prepared by the firm of BRW, into the Americinn site plan, after City approval. 7. -• - - - .. . - 8. A separate sign permit must be submitted for all site signage, except for traffic control signage. The applicant shall submit detailed sign plans reflecting a recessed panel with individual backlit letters. 9. Site plan approval shall be conditioned upon the developer of The Villages on the Ponds recording the final plat and all pertinent documents for the PUD with Carver County. Financial guarantees must be submitted to the City to guarantee all public improvements. Also, the applicant for the Americinn shall enter into a Site Plan Agreement with the City and provide financial security pertaining to specific improvements on Lot 1, Block 1, Villages on the Ponds. 10. Direct access from Market Boulevard(Trunk Highway 101) shall be prohibited unless approved otherwise by MnDOT and Carver County. 11. The parking lot configuration shall be revised to accommodate emergency fire apparatus. The applicant shall work with the City's fire marshal in revising the parking lot configuration accordingly. 12. Three additional fire hydrants shall be placed on the site in accordance with the City fire marshal's recommendation. Plans shall be revised accordingly. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 23 13. Site utility improvements will require a separate building permits from the City's Building Department, i.e. sewer, storm, and watermains. 14. Storm drainage plan shall be revised to include an additional catch basin across from catch basin manhole no. 62 and provide a 15-inch storm sewer lead east out of catch basin no. 64. 15. No building permits will be issued until the final plat of Villages on the Ponds has been recorded and the site has been graded in accordance with the approved grading plan. 16. Construction access directly from Market Boulevard(Trunk Highway 101) or Trunk Highway 5 shall be prohibited. 17. Lot 1, Block 1, Villages on the Ponds, is subject to full park and trail fees per city ordinance. One third of these fees will be paid by the developer of the Villages plat. The remaining two thirds shall be paid at the time the building permit is granted. 18. Fire Marshal Conditions: a) A 10 foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants, i.e. street lamps, trees, shrubs, bushes, NSP, US West, Cable TV, transformer boxes. This is to ensure that fire hydrants can be quickly located and safely operated by firefighters. Pursuant to City Ordinance 9-1. b) Yellow painted curbing and no parking fire lane signs will be required. Contact Fire Marshal for exact location of signage and curbing to be painted. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.206 and Section 20.207(a) and Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy 06-1991. c) A post indicator valve will be required on the fire service line coming into the building. Contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for exact location. d) Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 01- 1990 regarding fire alarm systems. (Copy enclosed) e) Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 04- 1991. Notes to be included on site plans. (Copy enclosed). 0 Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 07- 1991 Pre fire plan policy(copy enclosed). Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 24 g) Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 29- 1992 premise identification(copy enclosed). h) Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 36- 1994 water line sizing(copy enclosed). i) Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 40- 1995 fire sprinkler systems (copy enclosed). j) Comply with Chanhassen Inspection Division Policy No. 34-1993 water service installation. k) Three additional fire hydrants will be required, one existing fire hydrant is to be relocated. Contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for new locations. 1) Submit turning radiuses on Fire Department access routes to City Engineer and Chanhassen Fire Marshal for review and approval. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.204. m) Prior to construction fire apparatus access roads or access shall be provided for every facility, building or portion of a building hereafter constructed or moved into or within the jurisdiction when any portion of the facility or any portion of an exterior wall of the first story of the building is located more than 150 feet from fire apparatus access as measured by an approved route or on the exterior of the building or facility. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.203. n) Fire apparatus access roads shall be designed and maintained to support the imposed loads of fire apparatus and shall be provided with a surface so as to provide all weather driving capabilities. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.204.(b). o) When fire protection, including fire apparatus access roads and water supplies for fire protection, is required to be installed, such protection shall be installed and made serviceable prior to and during time of construction. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.502. p) The Fire Department sprinkler connection shall be located adjacent to the main vestibule to the building. Contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for exact location. 19. Concurrent with the building permit, a detailed lighting plan meeting city and PUD standards shall be submitted. Americinn Motel and Suites November 6, 1996 Page 25 20. All roof top equipment must be screened in accordance with the PUD ordinance." ATTACHMENTS 1. Development Review Application 2 Memo from Todd Hoffman, dated October 14, 1996. 3. Memo from David Hempel, dated October 30, 1996. 4. Memo from Mark Littfin, dated October 22, 1996. 5. Pictures of the Americinn Motel and Suits located in Shakopee 6. Planning Commission minutes dated November 6, 1996. 7. Plans dated November 26, 1996. CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 (612) 937-1900 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION APPLICANT: �p�vl J el iOeri- OWNER: Atari-A Co ]74 L0 111, r1 y ADDRESS: 1 S (2.o a M;hhe+vvtRa BIVd, ADDRESS: 18,020.2. /ylin/le7`onka /Blvd Oee p kaven ) MA) 553V nee p 1-la uen 11911 S5-39/ TELEPHONE (Day time)( // l a.� L/76 - a O O TELEPHONE: ( 6/.2) 4176 — a 6 o Comprehensive Plan Amendment Temporary Sales Permit Conditional Use Permit Vacation of ROW/Easements Interim Use Permit Variance Non-conforming Use Permit _ Wetland Alteration Permit Planned Unit Development' _ Zoning Appeal Rezoning _ Zoning Ordinance Amendment Sign Permits Sign Plan Review Notification Sign XSite Plan Review* X Escrow for Filing Fees/Attorney Cost" ($50 CUP/SPR/VACNAR/WAP/Metes and Bounds, $400 Minor SUB) Subdivision* TOTAL FEE $ A list of all property owners within 500 feet of the boundaries of the property must be included with the application. Building material samples must be submitted with site plan reviews. `Twenty-six full size folded copies of the plans must be submitted, including an 81h"X 11" reduced copy of transparency for each plan sheet. Escrow will be required for other applications through the development contract NOTE-When multiple applications are processed, the appropriate fee shall be charged for each application. PROJECT NAME Al'Yl eF i c I7Y1 /!(D/e,I fr d Seo,re-5 LOCATION UIlc/ e_s 0 v 3k Ponds NwY S ÷ 101 S. E. Corner LEGAL DESCRIPTION To b e.. oQe er rn i h e of TOTAL ACREAGE PP r 'X +Vv444e re-5 WETLANDS PRESENT YES X NO PRESENT ZONING P 0 REQUESTED ZONING No r✓�a vtj PRESENT LAND USE DESIGNATION REQUESTED LAND USE DESIGNATION / / REASON FOR THIS REQUEST l�pi)ro vR I sto r 7 he der./e /op/or�.�`� aT cs eri c.�n h /770 A/ api..d j This application must be completed in full and be typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all information and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provisions. Before filing this application, you should confer with the Planning Department to determine the specific ordinance and procedural requirements applicable to your application. A determination of completeness of the application shall be made within ten business days of application submittal. A written notice of application deficiencies shall be mailed to the applicant within ten business days of application. This is to certify that I am making application for the described action by the City and that I am responsible for complying with all City requirements with regard to this request. This application should be processed in my name and I am the party whom the City should contact regarding any matter pertaining to this application. I have attached a copy of proof of ownership (either copy of Owner's Duplicate Certificate of Title, Abstract of Title or purchase agreement), or I am the authorized person to make this application and the fee owner has also signed this application. I will keep myself informed of the deadlines for submission of material and the progress of this application. I further understand that additional fees may be charged for consulting fees, feasibility studies, etc. with an estimate prior to any authorization to proceed with the study. The documents and information I have submitted are true and correct to the best of my knowledge. The city hereby notifies the applicant that development review cannot be completed within 60 days due to public hearing requirements and agency review. Therefore, the city is notifying the applicant that the city requires an automatic 60 day extension for development review. Development review shall be completed within 120 days unless additional review extensi approved by th plicant. X /, Sigo4tut of Applicant Date Signature of Fee Owner Date Application Received on Fee Paid Receipt No. The applicant should contact staff for a copy of the staff report which will be available on Friday prior to the meeting. If not contacted, a copy of the report will be mailed to the applicant's address. CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Sharmin Al-Jaff, Planner II J� 1 FROM: Todd Hoffman, Park and Recreation , f DATE: October 14, 1996 SUBJ: Americinn Motel and Suites In response to your referral on the development plan for Americinn Motel and Suites, I offer the following information: "Lot 1, Block 1, Villages on the Ponds," is subject to full park and trail fees per city ordinance. One-third of these fees will be paid by the developer of the "Villages"plat. The remaining two-thirds shall be paid at the time the building permit is granted. The sidewalk network depicted on the plan will service pedestrian traffic at this site. Please ensure that these sidewalks are installed. Guests of the Americinn who care to take a walk/jog during their stay will be delighted to find a comprehensive trail system near the motel. Lake Susan Community Park is also conveniently located within one-half mile. Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this proposed development plan. G:\park\th\Americinn_e CITY OF ;, ssi _ ... .,:siot, 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 m MEMORANDUM TO: Sharmin Al-Jaff, Planner II FROM: /David Hempel,Assistant City Engineer .t p, DATE: October 30, 1996 SUBJ: Review of Site Plan for Americlnn Motel& Suites (Lot 1,Block 1, Villages on the Ponds)Land Use Review File No. 96-31 Upon review of the construction plans prepared by HKS Associates, Inc. dated October 4, 1996, I offer the follow comments and recommendations: ACCESS/PARKING LOT CIRCULATION Access to the site will be from proposed Main Street which is anticipated to be constructed in 1997 by the developer of Villages on the Ponds. The plans also propose a direct access out to Market Boulevard (Trunk Highway 101). This access point has been discussed several times in the past with the preliminary and final plat of Villages on the Ponds. Staff has believed from the beginning that there should not be a direct access point given the close proximity to Trunk Highway 5. The interior parking lot and drive aisles within the Villages project have been redesigned, however,the applicant is still pursuing the access. Staff has reviewed traffic studies prepared by BRW and SRF. Both studies had concerns about a full access point in this location and recommended that a right-in right-out only be considered. Staff has received comments back from MnDOT and Carver Public Works (see attached)regarding this access point. Due to safety concerns and roadway geometries, both agencies recommended against direct access on to Market Boulevard (Trunk Highway 101) from the parking lot. They suggest altering the parking lot design as staff has recommended. The interior parking lot layout is very similar to the conceptual plan for Villages on the Ponds. Staff has concerns from a public safety standpoint with the tight turning radiuses. The parking lot configuration and drive aisle widths should be reconfigured to accommodate emergency vehicles. Staff has just recently worked with the City's fire marshal on determining the necessary radiuses in order facilitate the City's aerial fire truck This will require widening drive aisles and significantly increasing radiuses on the intersections to accommodate turning movements. The applicant's engineering/architect should work with City staff in revising the parking lot layout/configuration to accommodate the City's emergency vehicles. Sharmin Al-Jaff October 30, 1996 Page 2 UTILITIES Utilities to the site will be provided by the developer of Villages on the Ponds. This work is anticipated to commence yet this fall,however,realistically given weather conditions and short time line,next spring. The utility layout is fairly straight forward. The City's fire marshal has requested three additional fire hydrants. The plans shall be revised accordingly. DRAINAGE & GRADING Most of the site will be mass graded in conjunction with the Villages on the Ponds development. Only finish grading will be completed by the applicant. Wetland impacts/mitigation and erosion control measures will also be provided by the developer. Storm drainage will be conveyed via a storm sewer system into a pretreatment pond on site prior to discharging into the wetlands. An additional catch basin should be added across form catch basin/manhole no. 62 and a 15-inch storm sewer lead provided east of catch basin no. 64 for the future parking lot drainage. MISCELLANEOUS The developer of Villages on the Ponds has signed the development/PUD contract and provided the City with security to guarantee installation of public improvements for the site, however, the final plat has not yet been recorded. Staff anticipates the plan will be recorded within the next three to four weeks. Access during construction should be coordinated with the developer(Villages on the Ponds). Construction access directly from Market Boulevard (Trunk Highway 101) or Trunk Highway 5 shall be prohibited. RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL 1. Direct access from Market Boulevard (Trunk Highway 101) shall be prohibited. 2. The parking lot configuration shall be revised to accommodate emergency fire apparatus. The applicant shall work with the City's fire marshal in revising the parking lot configuration accordingly. 3. Three additional fire hydrants shall be placed on the site in accordance with the City fire marshal's recommendation. Plans shall be revised accordingly. 4. Site utility improvements will require a separate building permits from the City's Building Department, i.e. sewer, storm, and watermains. Sharmin Al-Jaff October 30, 1996 Page 3 5. Storm drainage plan shall be revised to include an additional catch basin across from catch basin manhole no. 62 and provide a 15-inch storm sewer lead east out of catch basin no. 64. 6. No building permits will be issued until the final plat of Villages on the Ponds has been recorded and the site has been graded in accordance with the approved grading plan. 7. Construction access directly from Market Boulevard (Trunk Highway 101) or Trunk Highway 5 shall be prohibited. jms Attachments: 1. Letter dated September 17, 1996 from MnDOT. 2. Letter dated September 23, 1996 from Carver County Public Works Dept. c: Charles Folch, Director of Public Works \\cfsl\voDenerojects\villages\americinn.doc PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT Carver County Government Center Administration Administration Building Parks CARVER 600 East Fourth Street Engineering COUNTY Chaska, Minnesota 55318-2192 Highway Maintenance Phone (612) 361-1010 Fax (612) 361-1025 Surveying&dapping September 23, 1996 Dave Hemple City of Chanhassen 600 Coulter Dr. P.O. Box 147 Chanhassen, MN 55317 IRE: Villages on the Ponds Mn/DOT Review Dear Dave: The County has received a copy of the written response from Mn/DOT dated September 17, 1996 regarding the Villages on the Ponds comprehensive plan amendment. As we had discussed by phone on September 19, Carver County concurs with Mn/DOT's recommendation that there should be no direct access to TH 101 from the parking lot south of TH 5. The developer should consider some other way to provide parking lot circulation within the boundaries of the property and utilize the access at Main Street. It has been the County's experience that right in/right out accesses have caused confusion to the average motorists and as a result do not operate as intended. This proposed right in/right out directly east of the Lake Drive access to TH 101 would seem to only increase the chance of confusion and increase the safety risk. The County would like the opportunity to review alternative proposals when they are available. Thank you for the opportunity to review this proposal. Sincerely, William J. Weckman, P.E. Assistant County Engineer cc: Roger Gustafson Sherry Narusiewicz MYO F CHf fi g EN MigiargTigril ,EP 2 1996 ENGINEERIN DEPT. Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer Printed on 10%Posr•Consumer Recycled Paper tO004Esop., Minnesota Department of Transportation it Metropolitan Division 'c, Waters Edge 1500 West County Road B2 Roseville, MN 55113 September 17, 1996 Robert Generous City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Dr. P.O. Box 147 Chanhassen MN 55317 Dear Robert Generous: SUBJECT; Villages on the Ponds Comprehensive Plan Amendments cvo,-96,-044 SE Quad. TH 101 & TH 5 Chanhassen, Carver County CS 1009 The Minnesota Department of Transportation (Mn/DOT) has reviewed the Villages on the Ponds comprehensive plan amendment in conjunction with the Metropolitan Council's review. We find the proposed amendment acceptable with consideration of the following comments. • After reviewing the traffic forecasting section we agree that the trip generation seems reasonable and the distribution seems appropriate for the development. • Mn/DOT is in the process of transferring TH 101 to Carver County. The expected completion date of this action is November 1, 1996. Pending finalization, any new access to TH 101 will be approved by Mn/DOT with concurrence by Carver County. As we stated in the environmental review response, it is recommended that there should be no direct access to TH 101 from the parking lot south of TH 5. The developer should consider some other way to provide parking lot circulation within the boundaries of the property and utilize the access at Main Street. • The issue of vacating Great Plains Boulevard has been addressed. Mn/DOT has transferred Commissioners Orders from this alignment to the alignment actually signed TH 101 (Market Blvd.). The city is now able to proceed with their vacation process to allow the developer to begin building on the property. RECEIVED SEP 2 3 1996 An equal opportunity employer CITY OF t t-1 ivhASSEN If you have any questions regarding this review, please contact me at 582-1400. Sincerely, Sherry Naru iewic Principal Transportation Planner c: Terry Kayser, Metropolitan Council - Local Assistance Ann Braden, Metropolitan Council - Transportation Roger Gustafson, Carver County CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Sharmin Al-Jaff, Planner II FROM: Mark Littfin, Fire Marshal DATE: October 22, 1996 SUBJECT: Request for site plan approval for a 152,471 square foot Americinn Motel and Suites located on Lot 1, Block 1, Village on the Ponds, Truman Howell Architects and Associates. Planning Case; 96-13 Site Plan Review I have reviewed the site plan for the above project. In order to comply with the Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division, I have the following fire code or city ordinance/policy requirements. The site plan is based on the available information submitted at this time. If additional plans or changes are submitted the appropriate code or policy items will be addressed. 1. A 10 foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants, i.e. street lamps, trees, shrubs, bushes, NSP, US West, Cable TV, transformer boxes. This is to ensure that fire hydrants can be quickly located and safely operated by firefighters. Pursuant to City Ordinance 9-1. 2. Yellow painted curbing and no parking fire lane signs will be required. Contact Fire Marshal for exact location of signage and curbing to be painted. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.206 and Section 20.207(a) and Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy 06-1991. 3. A post indicator valve will be required on the fire service line coming into the building. Contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for exact location. 4. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 01-1990 regarding fire alarm systems. (Copy enclosed) 5. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 04-1991. Notes to be included on site plans. (Copy enclosed). 6. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 07-1991 Pre fire plan policy(copy enclosed). Sharmin Al-Jaff October 22, 1996 Page 2 7. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 29-1992 premise identification(copy enclosed). 8. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 36-1994 water line sizing(copy enclosed). 9. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Division Policy No. 40-1995 fire sprinkler systems (copy enclosed). 10. Comply with Chanhassen Inspection Division Policy No. 34-1993 water service installation. 11. Three additional fire hydrants will be required, one existing fire hydrant is to be relocated. Contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for new locations. 12. Submit turning radiuses on Fire Department access routes to City Engineer and Chanhassen Fire Marshal for review and approval. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.204.© 13. Prior to construction fire apparatus access roads or access shall be provided for every facility, building or portion of a building hereafter constructed or moved into or within the jurisdiction when any portion of the facility or any portion of an exterior wall of the first story of the building is located more than 150 feet from fire apparatus access as measured by an approved route or on the exterior of the building or facility. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.203. 14. Fire apparatus access roads shall be designed and maintained to support the imposed loads of fire apparatus and shall be provided with a surface so as to provide all weather driving capabilities. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.204.(b). 15. When fire protection, including fire apparatus access roads and water supplies for fire protection, is required to be installed, such protection shall be installed and made serviceable prior to and during time of construction. Pursuant to 1991 UFC Section 10.502. 16. The Fire Department sprinkler connection shall be located adjacent to the main vestibule to the building. Contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for exact location. g:\safety\ml\americinn CITY TF 4, CHANHASSEN .._:, 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS 1. Fire alarm systems shall meet the requirements of NFPA 72 1993 Edition. 2. Shop drawings shall be submitted to the Fire Department for approval. Shop drawings shall included the following. Approval and acceptance must comply with NFPA 72 1993 Edition 1-7.1. a. Connection diagrams. b. Specification data sheets. c. Schedules, for each device, inchiding: location, function,zoning. d. Complete diagrams indicating: devices.components, interconnecting wiring, indicate labeling and descriptions on equipment. e. Floor plans indicating device and component locations,conduit, raceway and cable routes. - f. Power connections. including source and branch circuit data. g. Plan layout and details of: tire alarm control panel, fire alarm subpanels/transponders, annunciator. 3. Wiring may be either-a Class A or Class B Wiring System. (Exception: When a fire alarm system is used to actuate an extinguishing systenethat protects a special hazard with higirvalue;,Class*circuitry will.bereguirec4 _.. 4. All components of the system must be U.L. listed for their application;otible and installed per NFPA/72E,National Electric Code and manufacturer's requirements. 5. Alarm verification is required for all systems using smoke detectors. 6. When Central Station notification is required or otherwise provided, it must be through a U.L. listed communicator, or NFPA Listed Control Panel. All Central Stations must be U.L. listed. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy#01-1990 Date: 04/19/90 Revised: 05/09/96 Page 1 of 2 _ 7. The alarm systems shall be audible above the ambient noise level in all areas of the building. Alarm horns in each unit and all public areas, i.e. party room, pool, laundry rooms. Horns shall be directly connected to the building alarm systems and supervised. 8. The system shall be zoned per Chanhassen Fire Department requirements. 9. A U.L. 71 Certificate is required on the system. The U.L. 71 Certificate shall be current and required for the life of the alarm system and the life of the building. 10. A fully-function annunciator must be provided if the control panel is remotely located. 11. Health care, day care, and assembly occupancy notification must be by chimes, unless otherwise approved by the Fire Marshal. 12. All systems using standard horns or speakers must be set for temporal time. 13. The Chanhassen Fire Marshal must be contacted for final inspection of the completed job. The inspection will include: a. Test for proper operation of each device. b. Random testing for system trouble. c. Random testing for ground fault trouble. d. Correct operation on battery or standby power. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy 401-1990 Date: 04/19/90 Revised: 05/09/96 Approved- Public Safety Director Page 2 of 2 CITY TF CI1A, NBASSEN ' ' r 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT NOTES TO BE INCLUDED ON ALL SITE PLANS 1. Fire Marshal must witness the flushing of underground sprinkler service line, per NFPA 13-8-2.1. 2. A final inspection by the Fire Marshal before a Certificate of Occupancy is issued. 3. Fire Department access roads shall be provided on site during all phases of construction. The construction of these temporary roads will conform with the Chanhassen Fire Department requirements for temporary access roads at construction sites. Details are available. 4. Onsite fire hydrants shall be provided and in operating condition during all phases of construction. 5. The use of liquefied petroleum gs shall be in conformance with NFPA Standard 58 and the Minnesota Uniform Fire Code. A list of these requirements is available. (See policy #33-1993) 6. All fire detection and fire suppression systems shall be monitored by an approved UL central station with a UL 71 Certificate issued on these systems before final occupancy is issued. 7. An 11" x 14" As Built shall be provided to the Fire Department. The As Built shall be reproducible and acceptable to the Fire Marshal. (See policy #07-1991). 8. An approved lock box shall be provided on the building for fire department use. The lock box should be located by the Fire Department connection or as located by the Fire Marshal. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #04-1991 Date: 11/22/91 Revised: 12/23/94 Page 1 of 2 9. High-piled combustible storage shall comply with the requirements of Article#81 of the Minnesota Uniform Fire Code. High-piled combustible storage is combustible materials on closely packed piles more than 15' in height or combustible materials on pallets or in racks more than 12' in height. For certain special-hazard commodities such as rubber tires, plastics, some flammable liquids, idle pallets, etc. the critical pile height may be as low as 6 feet. 10. Fire lane signage shall be provided as required by the Fire Marshal. (See policy #06-1991). 11. Smoke detectors installed in lieu of 1 hour rated corridors under UBC section 3305G, Exception#5 shall comply with Chanhassen Fire Department requirements for installation and system type. (See policy #05-1991). 12. Maximum allowed size of domestic water service on a combination domestic/fire sprinkler supply line policy must be followed. (See policy #36-1994). Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #04-1991 Date: 11/22/91 Revised: 12/23/94 Approved - Public Safety Director Page 2 of 2 ,. , ,F__ CITY a 1 -\�" CHANHASSEN ,'' . -,. � 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY REOUIREMENTS FOR FIRE LANE SIGNAGE 1. Signs to be a minimum of 12" x 18" . NO 2 . Red on white is preferred. PARKING FIRE 3 . 3M or equal engineer' s grade LANE reflective sheeting on aluminum is preferred. /\ 4 . Wording shall be: NO PARKING FIRE LANE 5. Signs shall be posted at each end of the fire lane and at least at 7 ' 0" 75 foot intervals along the fire lane. 6. All signs shall be double sided facing the direction of travel. 7 . Post shall be set back a minimum of 12" but not more than 36" from the curb. - -- 8 . A fire lane shall be required in (NOT TO GRADE front of fire dept. connections SCALE) extending 5 feet on each side and along all areas designated by the Fire Chief. ANY DEVIATION FROM THE ABOVE PROCEDURES SHALL BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING, WITH A SITE PLAN, FOR APPROVAL BY THE FIRE CHIEF. IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE CONTINUITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY BY PROVIDING THESE PROCEDURES FOR MARKING OF FIRE LANES. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #06-1991 ,( r); 71 Date: 1/15/91 Revised: Approved - Public Safety Director Page 1 of 1 es t4. . PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER • CITYOF ., 1 44 III! CHANHASSEN . _ . • _.‘, ,, .._ 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147• CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 ` (612) 937-1940 • FAX (612) 937-5739 A. CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY REGARDING PRE-PLAN Prior to issuing the C.O. , a pre-plan, site plan shall be submitted to the Fire Department for approval . The following items shall be shown on the plan. 1) Size 11" x 17" (maximum) 2) Building footprint and building dimensions 3 ) Fire lanes and width of fire lanes 4) Water mains and their sizes, indicate looped or dead end 5) Fire hydrant locations 6) P.I .V. - Fire Department connection 7) Gas meter (shut-off) , NSP (shut off) 8) Lock box location 9) Fire walls, if applicable 10) Roof vents, if applicable 11) Interior walls 12) Exterior doors 13) Location of fire alarm panel 14) Sprinkler riser location 15) Exterior L. P. storage, if applicable 16) Haz . Mat . storage, if applicable 17) Underground storage tanks locations, if applicable 18) Type of construction walls/roof 19) Standpipes PLEASE NOTE: Plans with topographical information, contour lines, easement lines, property lines, setbacks, right-of-way lines, headings, and other related lines or markings, are not acceptable, and will be rejected. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #07-1991 t� �,-- Date: 01/16/91 Revised: 02/18/94 Approved - PuSlic Safety Director Page 1 of 1 .,. • CITY OF . . „ „ii,...,,,. ..,;- k . -,i-A,:t ._ cHANBAssEN .7,..4 ..,v, .,7„ ..., 1 ,,..„,ey.„..„,w f ks,‘ 1�L �a 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 . ..4.-ie ~ A (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY PREMISES IDENTIFICATION General Numbers or addresses shall be placed on all new and existing buildings in such a position as to be plainly visible and legible from the street or road fronting the property. Said numbers shall contrast with their background. Size and location of numbers shall be approved by one of the following - Public Safety Director, Building Official, Building Inspector, Fire Marshal. Requirements are for new construction and existing buildings where no address numbers are posted. Other Requirements-General "' `�-`. fl x 1. Numbers shall be a contrasting color from'the background 2. Numbers shall not be In script 3. if a structure Is not visible from the street,additional numbers are required at the driveway entrance. Size and location must be approved 4. Numbers on mall box at driveway entrance may be a minimum of 4". However, requirement #3 must still be met. 5. Administrative authority may require additional numbers H deemed necessary. Residential Requirements(2 or less dweing unit) 1. Minimum height shall be 5 114". 2. Building permits will not be finaled unless numbers are posted and approved by the Building Department Commercial Requirements:. 1. Minimum height shall be 12". 2. Strip Malls a. Multi tenant building will have minimum height requirements of 6". b. Address numbers shall be on the main entrance and on all back doors. 3. If address numbers are located on a directory entry sign, additional numbers will be required on the buildings main entrance. Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Policy #29-1992 i . Date: 06/15/92 Revised: Approved - Public Safty Director Page 1 of 1 t41, PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER CITY 4F 41,11. , , 0 CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 WATER SERVICE INSTALLATION POLICY FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS 1) The Inspections Division shall be responsible for issuance of permits. No permit shall be issued until approval of plans have been obtained from the following: a) Engineering Department b) Fire Marshal c) Minnesota Department of Health d) Plumbing Inspector 2) Plumbing inspectors will do all installation inspections and witness the hydrostatic and conductivity tests. Inspection and Test Requirements a) All pipe shall be inspected before being covered. Phone 937-1900, ext. 31, to schedule inspections. A 24 hour notice is required. b) Conductivity test is required. The pipe shall be subjected to a minimum 350 amp test for a period of not less than 5 minutes. c) Hydrostatic test required. All pipe shall be subjected to a hydrostatic pressure of 150 psi for 2 hours. Allowable pressure drop shall not exceed 1 PSI. d) ,, Pipe shall not be run under buildings - NFPA 24S-3.1. 3) Upon approval of the hydro test, the plumbing inspector shall submit a copy of the inspection report to the utility superintendent. The inspection report shall note whether the system is ready for main flush and drawing of water sample for the bug test. Inspections Division Water Service Installation Policy #34-1993 Date: 04/15/93 Revised: 4/17/96 Page 1 of 2 CITY OF 4.) ClIANBASSEN _ . „ 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY MAXIMUM ALLOWED SIZE OF DOMESTIC WATER SERVICE ON A COMBINATION DOMESTIC/FIRE SPRINKLER SUPPLY LINE 1. Domestic water line shall not be greater than 1/4 pipe size of the combination service water supply line. 2. 1 1/2"domestic off 6"line. 3. 2"domestic off 8"line.;;s 4. 2 1/2 domestic off 10"line.. Option 1: Domestic sizes may be increased if it can be calculated hydraulically that the demand by all domestic fixtures will not drop the fire sprinkler water below its minimum gallonage required. Option 2: Combination domestic and five line service shall have an electric solenoid valve installed on the domestic side of the service. This valve shall be normally powered open and close on loss of electric power or signal from the system water flow indicator. Must be approved by the Chanhassen Fire Marshal and Chanhassen Mechanical Inspector. Chanhassen Fire Department Water Line Sizing Policy#36-1994 Date: 06/10/94 't1 / Revised: Approved - Public Safety Director Page 1 of 1 CITY CF 1 CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY COOKING EQUIPMENT EXHAUST HOOD REQUIREMENTS 1. FIRE PROTECTION A. Where Required: 1) On commercial cooking equipment,when grease-laden vapors are produced. 2) If any cooking device wider an exhaust hood produces grease-laden vapors, then the entire hood must be protected. B. Type of Protection: • 1) When building is fully sprinklered, the hood system must be a sprinklered system. 2) In non-sprinklered buildings, any U.L. listed system is acceptable. C. When extinguishing agent is released, hood exhaust must: 1) be shut- down; gas to cooking equipment must be shut down; and electricity to grease producing heating appliances must be shut down. Gas.and electricity..must be manually reset after automatic shutdown. --(71t 141 Chanhassen Fire Department Fire\Prevention Policy 35-1994 77( Date: 0 /07/94 Revised: Approved - Public Safety Director Page 1 of 1 CITY TF • 4: CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 CHANHASSEN FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICY FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS 1. Permits are required for all sprinkler work. 2. A minimum of four sets of plans are required. Send, or drop off plans and specifications and calculations to: Mark Littfin, Fire Marshal City of Chanhassen 690 Coulter Drive Chanhassen, MN 55317 3. Yard post indicators are required and must have tamper protection. 4. All control values must be provided with tamper protection. 5. All systems tests must be witnessed by the Chanhassen Fire Marshal. Appointments can be made by calling the Fire Marshal at 937-1900, ext. 132, between 8:00 AM and 4:00 PM, Monday through Friday. Please try to arrange tests at least 24 hours in advance. All revisions of 25 heads or more will require a test. 6. Main drains-& inspector test connections must be piped to the outside atmosphere. 7. Water jn 'not-be introduced into sprinkler piping from the City main``until the Fire Marshal witnesses a flush test per NFPA 13-8-2.1. 8. The City of Chanhassen has adopted Appendix E (see 1305.6905 appendix chapter 38 of the MBC). Chanhassen Fire Department Fire Prevention Division Policy #40-1995 Date: 01/12/95 Revised: 04/26/95 Page 1 of 2 9. All systems must be designed to NFPA-13, 1991 edition and Chapter 6 Standards. All attic systems are to be spaced at a maximum 130 square foot coverage. 3/4" plastic piping will nta be allowed at any time in attic space. 10. All equipment installed in a fire protection system shall be UL listed or factory mutual approved for fire protection service. 11. Fire protection systems that are hydraulically calculated shall have a 5 psi safety factor at maximum system flow. 12. Acceptable water supplies for fire sprinkler systems are listed in NFPA-13, 1991 ed., Chapter 7. Swimming pools and ponds are not acceptable primary water supplies. 13. Pressure and gravity tanks shall be sized per the requirements contained in NFPA-13 and 22. Duration of the water supply shall match the hazard classification of the occupancy. 14. Include spec sheets for fire sprinkler heads - dry pipe/pre-action valving. 15. The definition of inspection is contained in MN Rule 7512.0100 Subpart 10, and states that inspection means: 1. Conducting a final acceptance test. 2. Trip test of dry pipe, deluge or preaction valves. 3. A test that an authority having jurisdiction requires to be conducted under the supervision of a contractor. Only licensed fire protection contractors are permitted to conduct these tests. 4. All other inspections including the inspectors test, main drain and other valves are permitted under MN Rule 7512.0400 Subpart-2G, as maintenance activities and do not require a license as a fire protection contractor. 16. Per Section 904.3.2. and the 1994 Uniform Building Code, an approved audible sprinkler flow alarm to alert the occupants shall be provided in the interior of the building in a normally occupied location. (Location must be approved by the Chanhassen Fire Marshal). 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Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 PUBLIC HEARING: SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A 45,505 SQUARE FOOT AMERICINN MOTEL & SUITES LOCATED ON LOT 1, BLOCK 1,VILLAGES ON THE PONDS,JOHN SEIBERT. Sharmin Al-Jaff presented the staff report on this item. Mancino: Sharmin, are you telling me that we are waiting for BR W's comprehensive landscaping plan that will do the landscaping along Market Boulevard and Highway 5, around this site plan and we don't have it yet? Al-Jaff: Kate is more familiar with this project. Aanenson: As part of the underlying development they're to submit a master landscape plan. Mancino: Which has a lot to do with this site. Aanenson: Absolutely. And in looking at two different themes going, Sharmin and the City Forester are spending a lot of time trying to come up with that plan. We felt that it'd probably make more sense to let BRW. They've got a preliminary plan for the pond and the landscaping, which we believe meets the objective. That's what we struggled with before... Should it be more natural looking or should it be highly utilized and we believe that the landscaping plan, it's our objective that it be more natural looking...so they would have to do the escrow to provide security to make sure the landscaping gets done in conjunction with the overall master plan... Mancino: And when do you anticipate the master landscaping plan being done so we can integrate it in with this site plan? Aanenson: They're working on it right now. Mancino: Okay. So is that something that's two weeks away? Aanenson: I think it will go longer than that. Vemelle Clayton: They're waiting to get,they need,BRW's landscaping department needs to have feedback from the engineering department so that, first they're working on the streetscape. The grading and so forth plan for the street. Their goal is to have that done sometime in December and then they'll work on the landscaping part. We hope to be here in January with the landscape plan. Mancino: Okay, thanks. Sharmin Al-Jaff continued with her staff report. 15 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Mancino: Any questions for staff at this point? I just want to go over a couple things that I found missing, and I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't my oversight. Number one. We are not approving signage tonight. What is on top of the cupula as we do not have any detail drawings of it, renderings of it,proportionally or anything so I'm assuming that tonight that is not being asked of the Planning Commission to approve the signage on the cupula, correct? That that will come back as a separate. Al-Jaff: The only thing they haven't submitted actually...is the rendering that you see in front of you. Mancino: But there are no specifications. Secondly. Aanenson: ...we would go along the PUD ordinance, that was an issue that would be left hanging. Mancino: This is what we received in July. Aanenson: Right. When we were trying to put together the PUD standards that they wanted a free standing pylon sign and you said no. They asked...building, you said you may consider it at that time...but that's something that was left hanging... Mancino: But again we didn't receive in our packet anything that gave us specifications on the logo, size,color, anything. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something in the packet. BRW is working on the comprehensive landscape plan. We did not receive that so we do not know perimeter landscaping, etc. Does that also include the parking lot? Are they working on a comprehensive, does that include a parking lot for this building too? Or is what we see here what the plan is? Al-Jaff: Individual landscape plans, site plans are approved individually. The comprehensive plan will basically look at the parameters of the development and along this. It will also concentrate on the streetscape. The interior streetscape. Mancino: Okay. And we did not get any elevations showing what this hotel will look like from Highway 5. We have nothing showing any view shed of what this whole plan will look like from Highway 5, correct? Aanenson: I think that's the applicant's model. Mancino: Okay. Peterson: Theoretically just going from east to west, this would be a primary view, wouldn't it? Right here. Mancino: From east to west. I don't know,we'll wait and ask them when they show that. Okay. We also, Sharmin,the other thing that was missing was any lighting plan. Anything that the 16 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 motel has for, you know pavers. Are pavers being used on the sidewalk? We didn't get that or any lighting plans. You know how it will carry the village character. Lighting interior on this building. Al-Jaff: No. Mancino: Okay. I just was looking for those things and wanted to make sure that I hadn't missed it. Any other questions? Okay. Is the applicant here and would you like to present please? Vernelle Clayton: Yes, Madam Mayor Elect and members of the Planning Commission. My name's Vernelle Clayton and I'm with Lotus Realty which has been shepherding the project along for a while now. And beginning some time after concept approval when we met and learned... intent to be involved in this project. They've been with us for a little over a year now and their interest in the project gave us not only the courage to continue but the financial wherewithal to fund some of the drawings and renderings that you saw throughout some of the preliminary process. They've been an integral part of our project. We have valued their partnership and they're committed to this project to it being one of their more outstanding motels and they've done a lot of work for us, for the city, to bring this project to you this evening. A couple of the folks involved with Americinn are also are here. Luke Fowler,the president is here this evening in the back and he lives out in Laketown Township. Another member of their senior staff lives just a few blocks or so in that direction. And John Seibert, who will be the presenter for them this evening. I would,before we get into a little all the conditions here are drafted from a perspective that they relate to this project. The first three items on the conditions, we as the developers and the Wards feel relate more to the landscaping plan approval. As well these are thoughts that we don't necessarily agree with 100%and frankly haven't researched totally because we need to review them with BRW. We would like it rather that they be phrased that to shall be because I think it's a conflict with item number 6. I don't think that BRW...that you must do a, b, c,and d. We want their creativity and their solutions. That's not to say we wouldn't share these with them but we'd like to have language... I'll be back up probably from time to time but right now I'd like to introduce John Seibert. John Seibert: Good evening Madam Chairman, members of the Planning Commission. As Vernelle said, I'm John Seibert. I'm Vice President of Real Estate and Construction with Americinn International. Americinn International is located here, close to this proximity in Deephaven, Minnesota. That's where our primary headquarters is at. I have brought along with me this evening a number of people to assist me in the process of helping you understand what this Americinn concept is about. And obviously Vernelle Clayton will speak on behalf of Lotus Realty. Mika Milo was to be here this evening. Unfortunately he has taken ill. He has faxed us a letter in reference to his view and recommendation as to what he perceives our project as looking like and how it will help fit into the overall concept of Villages on the Ponds, and we'll read that letter just a little bit later this evening. And obviously Mika's position is the architectural review board for the Villages on the Ponds so it's very important for us to work with him and we have been working with him diligently over the last year. Also with us this evening is Truman Howell with Truman Howell Architects and Truman Howell is going to 17 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 basically present to you this evening the whole layout of our particular building, and also how it is incorporated into Villages on the Ponds. We also have Allan Kregman who is going to end up going through the process of walking you through the landscaping that we have done on the project and as we take a look at this overall landscaping, as it's been stated already, we've worked with BRW. We've worked with Allan and we've worked with Lotus. We're trying to incorporate all these things together. The directive that we received in reference to how we handle the Highway 5 corridor has been really kind of juggled back and forth and in the process of this juggle, what it's been is that what exactly is it that they want for the Highway 5 corridor and how it will incorporate into the rest of the project. And given that direction, we basically • have stepped back a little bit and I guess I would like for the Planning Commission to look primarily at how we are addressing the landscaping within the project rather than addressing specifically how it is dealing with it along the Highway 5 corridor. And again I assure you we've been working aggressively with the three different groups in order to attempt to try and come up with a workable solution that will allow the architect of review on the project who has some concerns about how much we block and how BRW looks at what the Highway 5 corridor requirements are so, and Allan will end up giving you some assistance and guidance and walking through how we address the landscaping on it. We also have Tom Steinke with us this evening and Tom is with Edison Signs and he's a designer of signs as well as a manufacturer of signs. And I might address at this time in reference to the signage issue. It was our understanding that the signage would be required to go through on a special permitting on it's own and I apologize that we didn't submit a little more information to you as was requested a little bit earlier but that was what our understanding was and I think with Tom's information this evening, hopefully we can kind of incorporate that within the rest of the project. We also obviously brought with us the site model. The site model is a study model and I think it's very important for everyone to look at that as a study model and what the intent of the study model is to give people a perspective of the lines on the building and how it would actually really look in a 3D perspective,you might say. And so it's not intended to give you color. It's not intended to give you the fanciness that you might see on a normal model. Completed model but the study, this particular study model that we have here, I think will give you the feel for how the roof line breaks up and what actually occurs on it. We also brought with us this evening, I think it's one of these. A rendering of the particular project and the rendering obviously is going to end up giving you the color decor and that sort of thing that we anticipate utilizing on it. We've brought a number of boards that are going to give you the elevations on the building as well as the footprints on the building and how that particular...as well. I thought I might take just a second, if you wouldn't mind,before we started into the presentations, to give a little better insight as to what Americinn is all about. The organization started back in 1984 by a gentleman out of St. Cloud, Minnesota. Our particular organization did not get involved in the Americinn concept until 1990 when we built one of the Americinn motels on a property that we own. And as Victor Diaz said,we liked the project so much, we liked the product so much that we said gee,we've got to own this company and so in 1992 we bought controlling interest in the company and at that time there were only approximately 27 motels in existence in the Americinn system. And in 1992 when we bought the controlling interest in the company, our desires were to take them a little bit more public and really drive the development of the Americinn system. And in 1994 we bought the company in it's entirety so we bought out control of the entire controlling. Today we have 75 motels open so we obviously are on the track of the progress that we hope to attain. We have 26 of them that are 18 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 under construction at the present time and we have 20 of them in the development sequence where franchises have been signed and are in the process of getting ready to start construction. So again, I think it's important for you to understand that because I noticed in the attachments that you have there is a picture of the Shakopee Americinn,and I'd like to back you up just a little bit in history with this because the Shakopee Americinn was built originally as Americinn. It was built back in the mid 1980's. I believe it was 1985. I might be off a year or two on that. The way it was built, it was built with the perception of what Americinn was at that particular time and the Shakopee Americinn does not have the very things that you will find in the Americinn today. For instance the primary thing is the fact that it lacks the pool. An indoor pool has become a very important part of the Americinn system. We at Americinn have gone through what we call an evolutionary process. Not a revolutionary process. In that we want to end up along with the Americinns that were in the system prior to our organization taking over, to make sure that there is some consistency along the way for yet improving the product for the general public. And within that there are a number of unique features that we have incorporated into this specific project for Chanhassen. I think Vernelle made reference to the fact that it is going to be a flagship property in that we've put some unique features here that I'm going to allow our architect to specifically address with you and point out how they work in some of our particular product The Americinn system was initially designed to develop around the business traveler and how we basically developed that was we did it on the basis of trying to make it one where it was a quiet motel. Therefore the construction of our particular product is very important as well. They're all concrete buildings. Concrete blocks between the wall that have sheetrock attached to the walls so it doesn't, the average person when they walk into the room wouldn't know that but they are definitely quieter with respect that you don't hear your neighbor. We also have them slab on grade and there's a concrete plane between the floors. So if the person in the morning on the second floor decides to get up and start doing jump roping and that sort of thing, you're not going to hear them on the first floor. And again, the whole quietness of the motel is how it's really designed initially. Then they incorporated an indoor pool. The indoor pool brought the motel around the corner a little bit more and at that point in time it allowed it to become a little more of a family motel as well as a business traveler's motel. Subsequently to that, now we've incorporated a number of suites within our properties and the suites have allowed it to become a little bit more of a vacation type of a motel so where a person can come in and do a 2-3 night stay with having wet bars and microwaves and refrigerators and so forth located within the suites along with the whirlpools. So I'm trying to bring you along the phases that Americinn has gone through so that you can kind of get a better understanding as to how Shakopee Americinn will differ significantly with Chanhassen Americinn. And the architect will explain to you how the Chanhassen Americinn will be different from the normal Americinn and really kind of our flagship of the system. One of the other things that Americinn has is interior design, is we have done basically what we call a continental breakfast area that's set to one side of the entrance and then we have a fireside conversation area which is set to the other side. And as people walk into the motel lobby,it's a spacious,open motel lobby. But it really gives you an inviting feel of being at home away from home and that is really kind of one of the things we've really developed our system on as well is the quietness. Is this home away from home feel. The fact is we have a number of comments that come back from our particular guests that say, you know you gave me the feel like it was a bed and breakfast almost. A big bed and breakfast but kind of that same homey, comfortable feel. And we think within that it says volumes towards this neo 19 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 traditional concept that's trying to be developed within the Villages of the Ponds because this is really kind of the big bed and breakfast, if you want to call it from that particular respect. So we're very comfortable in the fact that we're not a sterile box and that we have a lot to offer the community of Chanhassen and we're obviously very excited to present to you tonight that information. And at this time what I'd like to do is have Vernelle read Mike Milo's statement so that you can get a feel for what Mika's envisioning on this particular project. Vernelle. Vernelle Clayton: This was done this afternoon. Mika...couldn't be here but he wasn't feeling well. It's nothing serious but more or less...so it's addressed today's date. Review comments by Mika and plans reviewed refer to the plans that were submitted. Number one the use. The motel use is in conformance with the PUD list of permitted uses and is a welcome function within the Village. Even though the nature of a motel use does not allow for any commercially very active and general public oriented ground floor area, it's residential character and the traffic generated by visitors and tourists who stay at the motel will be very beneficial to the Village. It is expected that motel guests will walk on foot to adjacent streets to shop, eat or find some entertainment or recreation activities. Also,motel parking will fit very well into the shared parking concept for the Villages,due to a staggered activity timetable for the motel vs. Adjacent commercial functions. Furthermore, the motel should contribute to the festive, cheerful character and image of this development. Number two, site design. The building location next to the intersection of two highways is very logical and functional. The ground floor of the motel is not very commercially oriented, so there is no strong reason to be on the streets within the Village core. Hence,the PUD master plan placed the motel at the outskirts of the Village in very close proximity to the core, to allow for full integration of all functions within an easy walking distance. The long L-shaped building along Highway 101 and next to the intersection, along with generous lush landscaped front yards,blocks the view to parking behind it and forms a pleasant manicured streetscape facing towards these busy streets. Parking is oriented to Highway 5 with it's narrower side, thus further reducing it's exposure towards this highway. The low berms, less than 2 feet 6 inches and the dense but low landscape,placed between the parking and Highway 5, is sufficient to provide a desired visual screen of the parking area. It is important that these berms and landscape, including the trees within the parking lot itself, do not block the view towards the Village Promenade, core area and Main Street's Pier Point. The visual angles shall take into account the eye level of drivers along Highway 5, looking towards the Village along the entire northern frontage road between Highway 101 and Great Plains Boulevard. The motel design team needs to examine the current landscape design in view of this criterion and possibly specify another type of tree for parking area and northern edge that will allow for reasonable visual corridors towards the Village, (as shown now,the trees appear too big). I talked with...about the size of the trees. Mika was not aware of the... With that in mind, if we don't get a particular... we will take a look at those along with... The circulation features shown on the plans,both for vehicular and pedestrian movement within this site area and towards other PUD areas,are in conformance with the approved PUD design and are well articulated. However,curb radius' for fire truck operators are not adequate and shall be changed along the fire truck route, to be established. Building Design. In terms of overall building size, mass, bulk and height, the proposed motel building conforms to PUD design standards. The building terracing towards the intersection is a welcome feature as well as the sloped roofs that cover the entire building. The building facade is sufficiently articulated and reflects a level of detailing 20 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 that matches the desired traditional character of the Villages. It is apparent that the Americinn design team made a considerable effort to propose a design that projects an upscale image and to integrate this motel into the Village. The building materials (wood, brick, roof shingles) and associated textures and colors proposed also fall within the Village's design standards. However, we would like to suggest the following. (a) Strengthen and project more of a festive, cheerful and attractive character to the building, especially towards the intersection area,main entrance, pool area and patio in front of it. I called him to ask him what...and he said,without any expense they can add a little more life, flags, umbrellas. Things out on the patios, festive lighting, flowers. Item(b). During our previous review...he had reviewed it earlier, of the motel building design,we pointed out that the west elevation towards Highway 101 may incorporate another balcony,might incorporate another balcony, element at the point of transition between the 2 and 3 story segments. This would further help to break down the length of the facade and provide more visual interest. However, the final design indicates that Americinn has chosen to use the pillars on each side of this area and a dense landscape to handle this situation. I need to explain that this fax, this is a second version of the fax. The first version of the fax read this way. If this is not financially or functionally feasible, then the... I know I don't sound like Mika but in my mind I can...hear him saying this. At the very northwest corner large trees shall be eliminated as shown on the landscape plan in order to allow a view towards the attractive terraced portion of the motel with the cupola and it's integrated signage. In closing, except for the above mentioned suggestions and remarks, the proposed design is acceptable and recommended for further review and approval by other governing agencies. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Mancino: Thank you. I'd just like to make a comment Vernelle. It would be helpful as we get in more site reviews on Villages on the Ponds, and the process is wonderful. Having Mika review it,but it would be additive for us if we could have those statements in our packet and review them,as we're looking at them so that we can refine this process and get it prior to, or at the same time we get our packet. If we can work on that. Aanenson: Yeah. We just reviewed their architectural review committee and made comments on that. These two projects, the church and the motel were on the fast track... Vernelle Clayton: ...turn around in the next week or so and we have to have... Mancino: Great,thank you. Because that was very... John Siebert: Madam Chairman, members of the Planning Commission. I do apologize that Mika's not here because any time that you do have written material and it's not presented by the individual,it can be interpreted in a variety of different fashions and Mika, I can say this because I'm of German heritage as well. It's matter of fact and within that, I think some of his statements that he makes in there,and again I appreciate that all of you have had an opportunity to listen to Mika and to identify with how he addresses the issues that are there. And Mika and I have obviously worked very closely together in this particular project as well and so I would have much rather preferred to have him here so he could present it to you but I guess that is the situation there so I apologize for that. At this time I'd like to again,I guess re-introduce Mr. 21 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Howell of Truman Howell Architects and allow him to take you through the process of what this building is going to look like on the site arid to give you an overall feel of what we've got to offer to the City of Chanhassen. Truman Howell: Truman Howell, Truman Howell Architects... The first thing I'd like to take you through is what a basic Americinn motel is made of. What elements that...in the Chanhassen project. First of all, the main entry into the building comes through a vestibule, through a large lobby, with a large fireplace and a stairway...up to a second level balcony. Under that balcony on the first floor is the main registration area...with laundry functions and storage areas to the right. On this particular plan there's the pool area itself...and open area for chairs, tables, umbrellas, that kind of things on the interior of the building. Just to, adjacent to the laundry on this particular...we will have an elevator and a series of stairs to the third floor. The mix of the roads from that point are fairly standard in the sense that they're all larger than one would typically find in most motels with 14 feet wide as opposed to some other standards that are somewhat less than that. We have a variety of room types, including spas, two room suites and very obviously handicapped rooms as well are required by State Law. Mancino: Is there a masseuse? Truman Howell: I beg your pardon. Mancino: Is there a masseuse? Truman Howell: Not yet. But those are pretty standard elements in most all the Americinns. The one, with exception of the one before you. I should put this model up here so you can turn it around if you'd like. This would be Highway 5. This would be TH 101 and Market Boulevard extension here. And this is the...should say the okayed access,or the discussed access area here. ...and I think Mika mentioned in his comments about the various levels of the buildings as it goes up to the three story portion. One of the main features that. Mancino: Do you mind if I take a look at this. Truman Howell: Not at all. Mancino: This is Highway 5. This is the west side that you'll see from Market, correct? And this is the south side which you'll see from maybe the access...parking lot. Truman Howell: If there's any questions about the model, I can answer them for you. One of the first things that we're doing is we're enlarging all of the restrooms. You go into the small bathrooms in some of the motels, Chanhassen is given the new, enlarged, improved bathroom. Each one of the new guest rooms. The swimming pool area is expanded so it is larger than any of the pool rooms,pool areas that we've had in the past. Also we'll be enlarging the windows into the pool area,along the front of the building and on the end of the building so there will be more light coming into there. We have a covered patio area. Now we've talked with you about the plaza. I think it was mentioned earlier. Outside of the building. Just outside of the 22 Planning Commission Meeting- November 6, 1996 swimming pool area. We will...right here that it will be shown in more detail on the landscape plan. We've indicated it in the perspective off of this area here. That is also, and I don't know if reads as well from that distance as it does on the model perhaps. There will be an enclosed area underneath that so that in fact it is a semi covered patio outside area that will of course have chairs, tables and lighting. You mentioned lighting. The building will be typically lit with soffit lighting coming down and there will be some ground lighting going up in-between the windows. Not into the windows. The lighting in the parking lot itself will be dealt with on the site plan. It will be in conjunction with the Villages on the Ponds style of lights. There will be a drive through,a drive under...as you can see on the drawing and the model. The cupola on the roof is an element that you will be seeing more of those integrated into our buildings. One of the issues that we dealt with on the design is the third story portion of the building that you see on the model end and this drawing. Typically it comes off and stops abruptly. The cupola is a finishing element to that, as well as providing the signage location which the sign, as opposed to the one that you saw in June, is integrated into the building and actually becomes a part of this cupola. It is the shape is, it is a wooden sign that will have interior back lit letters that will sit into the cupola so it becomes a part of the building as opposed to a pylon type of sign. The type of,this is perhaps the point where I should show you a sample of basically this is the height of that letter which you'll see in the sign... But if it's up at a height of approximately 37 feet to the top of that cupola. But the sign is down somewhat from that. Now all of the letters will be back lit. It will say Americinn Motel and Suites. The other...will be out of wood and the liberty bell which is...logo of the Americinn franchise. Other portions or other things that are unique to this project are the balconies that are on this project. I believe there may be one or two other buildings throughout the system that do have balconies but they're on a very limited use...integrated into the building on a much finer fashion than has been done in the past. The window trim and the exterior columns are unique issues with this building. Again that was in keeping with the vernacular of the neo traditional...in dealing with the Villages on the Ponds and some very concerned about being sure that that was integrated into this building. You see it on the ends of the building where the pool...and stylized in the balcony... The brick face, which is not typically around all of our buildings. It's uniformed on this building and it tends to give a base and accentuate the neo traditional type of architecture. The accent color is to give a brightening, a lightening of more the festive air to the building. And you can see it called out in the...and the hand rails that are on the balconies as well as trim around the windows, which are...base of the windows. And these balconies are not...so instead of being right on top of the structure, they're actually integrated into it so that they don't appear as we've all seen as though they were about to fall off or come off... I'll briefly show you the materials at this point. We're using the Chicago brick. And though it's not called Chicago brick. We're using a used brick or a Chicago, which is the...with Chicago brick. You can't really get Chicago brick. You have to use used Chicago brick. Used Chicago brick has lost it's space in most cases and so it deteriorates rather rapidly under weather conditions. So we're using a Chicago brick type or color. Mancino: How high up does that go on the building? Truman Howell: It goes up,just at the. Mancino: Is that 3 feet? 4 feet? 23 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Truman Howell: It's 3 foot. Isn't it? Siding. Cedar siding. Straight. Straight lines as opposed to the, what is called wavy...waving siding which has a shape to the bottom. Wavy butt. The roofing will be the charcoal Timberline, which is the next thing to cedar shake. Then I think, on the building itself this is, the cedar will be painted this on the main body of the building. The columns, the trim around the windows will be white. The window trimmings themselves will be white and then the accent color of the architectural...this rust color. It will be used for accents around and above the windows. At this point to keep it moving ahead, I'd like to introduce Allan Kregman of HKS. Mancino: Can I ask a few questions before we move on? Truman Howell: Oh absolutely. Mancino: Do any commissioners have questions at this point? I just do generally. I have a couple. And the one, as a commission we certainly embraced Villages on the Ponds project. I mean there's no question that we have been excited about it and about the traditional village character and I've certainly followed along with Mika's vision, etc. He articulates that very well... One of the things that I have asked architecturally is, number one, he certainly in his...that he gave us, has talked about secondary elements as in pavers. As in some of the other things that would be in this plan. As in sidewalks. Again the widening elements, etc. How this would all be integrated to give us the traditional character so...talk about that a little. And those are very specifics, I know that. But secondly,how is this different from Country Suites? How is this idea more of a traditional village? More of a European feel. More of the Villages on the Ponds feel that we're going to get on this particular area than what we see, in all honesty, in the Country Suites in our regular, in the downtown as we know it now. Truman Howell: This is a entirely different kind of building from the inside to the out. Number one, the materials that we're using are those that we feel are more traditional in the vernacular of, and the way...and we're using columns. We're putting columns, free standing columns around this building. Mancino: Is there...? Truman Howell: On the ends of the building? Mancino: Yes. Truman Howell: Along here...and here, here and most of the one story. We are also bringing a column element,three story columns in each side of these here, here, the entry area of the back so that we're recalling the column basically...and I'm sure you've noticed,has basically the... columns and the base to it. And that's a traditional definition basically. And that, we've tried to do that in one of the elements of this building. And then the hand rails are very slender, crisp handrails. Nothing very woodsy or it's a much sleeker kind of. 24 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Mancino: And that all, that interior is also painted wood too? Truman Howell: No. Mancino: Is it metal? Truman Howell: The handrails. Mancino: No, on the siding. You use the brick and then is it cedar siding that's been painted? Okay. Can you talk a little bit about the secondary elements? I mean what are they going to be? Truman Howell: The lighting will be incorporated. The reason we don't have a light sample for you is because we haven't gotten the ones from the Village yet as to what their architect...some samples or examples of the kind that is recommended. And definitely those will be used on the site. Mancino: In the parking lot. Truman Howell: Absolutely. Mancino: And what about on the building itself? Truman Howell: We will have lighting on the building. Soffit lighting and there would also be a lighting,a ground lighting. Mancino: Okay. But their kind of traditional character,you know whether it be wrought iron, wide angle or something like that. That's what I'm talking about. Truman Howell: Absolutely. Mancino: It will be all in there. Will there be any sort of air conditioning components sticking out of the building, etc.? As we saw on some of the photos. Of the earlier. Truman Howell: There are two ways to do that. You can either make it in...which there is a large panel that basically sits under the window as opposed to just a portion of it. It becomes the rear element of it of that window. Or you can use an architectural panel which attempts to,and paint it to match the surrounding color of the main wall of the building. We can do it either way. And we're comfortable with it. My selection of not doing it with the heavy base on it was because I thought it was too heavy to do that. And the painting it out to match the surrounding was their option. It's a matter of taste. I just felt it was a heavy element. Aanenson: Just to... Truman, we looked at a lot of different versions of what we thought... Truman Howell: Window boxes here, are not terribly successful in this part of the country unless you use plastic. 25 Planning Commission Meeting - November 6, 1996 Mancino: Pardon? I have them all over. Truman Howell: Well,but you probably maintain them everyday too. Mancino: You do need people to take care of them when you have them. There's no question about it. As far as sidewalk and the entry into the motel. Again, what is that cement? Truman Howell: On the outside? Outside it would be concrete. When you come into the building... Mancino: Any other questions specific to architecture at this point? Skubic: Your cedar siding. Is that the vertical spacing of the sample? Truman Howell: This is roughly the spacing. We can't obviously vary the overlap. This is about a 3 inch exposed. We've gone down to as narrow as 5 inch with varying success as to the character... We have drawn this at about the. Skubic: Yeah, I look at the elevations here in the print and they look much less. Truman Howell: That's the heck of a thing about a computer but you're right. That's narrower, and probably at the point that we were drawing that, we were looking at the variations and the options available to us. John Seibert: That's why we brought the breakdown of the actual section of the wall so you could get a better perspective as to what it actually looks like. Our suggestion is the wider? Peterson: Suggestion for what particular purposes? Taste or is it functionality to it? Truman Howell: No, taste basically. We think it looks cleaner with the wider spacing. More on the size and scale... Peterson: With regard to the overall colors you're using and I'm assuming that the primary color is going to be the gray with the rust accents that you talked about. Will the sign, the back lit sign be the blue that you presented earlier? Truman Howell: Yes. Actually the Americinn logo has the first 4 or 5 letters in that blue and the final three in... Today was the first day we really put these two sketches together and we were...in fact the building, the Americinn building is really compatible with this style of architecture here, which is... John Seibert: One of the things I'd like to interject at this time as well. When we did start to look at the two of these together today and looking at the color of the shingles that we were originally proposing with the charcoal. And looking at what they're...there of a little lighter 26 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 texture, we then went out and looked at this particular type of shingle so we may consider lightening up the shingles to help kind of blend with the rest of the project and again, our desires are obviously to make this look as a part of the Villages on the Ponds and so we're working again to try and make sure that we are in keeping with basically what Mika is trying to... Mancino: John, do you have any future plans to add retail to the, you know a lot of European hotels,etc.,there are the shops on the walking level of a hotel and motel. John Seibert: Sure. At the present time we don't have a specific,with this particular property to do that. We have incorporated into some of our properties little gift shops and that sort of thing and it is something that we may,as the market develops here and that sort of thing, probably consider doing. But we do again have this real kind of homey, comfortable feeling and we don't want to end up getting too far away from that...so we're trying to kind of keep that all incorporated in but it is something that can be incorporated... If I might,maybe what I should do too is, I do have a picture book I'd like to just pass through the Planning Commission and allow you to just kind of get a feel for some of the...that we have. Obviously when you get into the rooms and that sort of thing, there's going to be a lot of similarity from that perspective. And the treatments of the exterior and that sort of thing that we're showing here will allow you to see what we've changed from this project here in Chanhassen to what is currently being built out there today. So if you don't mind I'd like to just circulate that through. That will also give you a good feel for what the pylon sign looks like and some of the colors as well. Peterson: Can you talk a little bit about the 6,000 square foot expansion potential. As to where that is going to be. Truman Howell: Okay. It actually will happen at the end of this building. Off of this building. There will be,before we do that, an additional element of this kind...additional set of...balconies and I think... John Seibert: Excuse me, I just want to interject just a little bit. When we took a look at the additional expansion and that sort of thing, what we did is we wanted to incorporate the look on the building and if you take a look at this model, study model,what will happen is the expansion will occur right there. And then we'll repeat these element at this point over here and that was one of the other reasons that we really didn't want to try and put an element on the building here now because we'll break that when we get it over into that area there. You might ask yourself well,just build the whole building right now. Our approach has been a little more conservative on a company basis and we like to go into a market and then grow with the market. Add on at a later date so our intentions are that we're going to be adding onto this property and what we're going to end up doing that a year or two from now when we see that the market is doing well for us so. But that would be the element that we incorporate right at this point here,where the addition of that can occur in the building so when we looked at this,we tried to look at how we could integrate all the very different elements that were desirable for this project and how we can make sure that the future addition would also be integrated with it so it wouldn't end up looking like an addition. So that's the whole...of how we did that. 27 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Joyce: What will occupy the space that's there right now? John Seibert: ...and we also should have a trash disposal... Mancino: Sharmin, in the expansion, is that taken into account in the impervious surface? Al-Jaff: Yes. Mancino: Thank you. Truman Howell: Any other questions? Mancino: Any other questions? Okay. Allan Kregman: I'm Allan Kregman from HKS. Good evening commissioners... Just to give you a little bit of background. HKS is a multi-disciplinary firm. We provided the site plan and landscape architecture and civil engineering on the project so I'm speaking on all those subjects. To give you further background on myself. I am a registered landscape architect and I've been in practice for approximately 20 years. It's interesting to talk about Mika and BRW because I used to work at BRW on very non-traditional landscape concepts and incorporate that into other projects throughout the Twin Cities. When you consider projects like Edinborough in Edina and some of the character elements in there and how the landscape and site plan was involved in that project. In the same respect on this site, the selection of the material,of the landscape material reflects elements that reinforce that neo-traditional landscape. Again looking at the site plan that the staff has presented, we've got Highway 5 on the north. Market on the west side with our entrance into the property coming off of the internal street here. That connects over to Market. What we've proposed in the site plan is to bring traffic up into the site and get it to a point where it will go to the motel and the adjacent development that will occur to the east here. The intent is to have traffic that will circulate and provide access into the property. We've incorporated some of the islands that separate the two uses,which are utilized in the landscaping to create outdoor rooms and to provide the opportunities for trees that will fill the intent of the site. In addition to that we've got parking again wrapping around the structure in these areas and it's amazing to think that we've got 109 parking spaces within this small, compact space. I think it works very well. In addition,the idea of trying to create layers of landscaping and the parking I think is going to achieve by the alignment of the islands and in fact the pattern can be repeated as the development occurs further to the east so we've tried to consider that and how this all lays out. And if you have any questions while I'm presenting this, feel free to interject. Mancino: Allan, does this have the open radius that staff talked about for public safety concerns? Allen Kregman: Very good question. We did put turning templates on the site and looked at what a fire department would need. The trucks could make it through there but they will have to move into the other lanes to use the full driveway width. And what we can do is we can introduce and relaxing the curbs to accommodate the desires of the Fire Department. I don't have any problem with those recommendations. From a grading perspective on the site, we've 28 Planning Commission Meeting -November 6, 1996 got our drainage coming around the building and coming.out to a low edge on this side. We've got catch basins that feed into the system as created by BRW for the building and the storm water flow will be following the piping that will be incorporated into the overall development to a sedimentation basin here that will clean the water before it's discharged into a wetland. In general,we've got a fairly flat grades in there. The lowest percentages, we've tried to maintain are a percent and a half and that will prevent bird baths from occurring in the parking lot so we've tried to keep it well formed and... The other elements that we've incorporated into the grading are significant berming along Market Boulevard and some berming in addition to that up on Highway 5 and I've got some cross sections I'd like to present at the end of my presentation that incorporate the berming and the landscaping so that you can see how we've tried to screen the parking and yet maintain views into the site. From a utility standpoint, we looked at how a sanitary sewer system will interconnect into the system that will be provided by the Villages master plan. And in addition to that we also looked at our water supply and how we would create a loop system around the structure. Again, you've incorporated three fire units and looked at the radius necessary for hoses to make sure we have proper coverage of the structure. And I know staff also mentioned comments on PIV valves. We've got that set on the back side and we'll continue to work with staff in refining the plans to accommodate any concerns that they may have in those particular areas. Now for the...I know this is the point where the most concern has been expressed and obviously we're going to be working with BRW. We have been working with them in looking at the perimeter landscape. The whole issue of the wetland landscape we had several discussions on that and meetings on that and tried to bring that natural prairie landscape that's associated with the appearance of a wetland across the front here. I think that can successfully be done and I hope that in the overall master plan for the landscape that there is some attention and concern brought out that will accommodate views in other structures in addition to the fact that your signage will be occurring here. We need to maintain view corridors to that signage in the placement of the landscaping. And that's one of the reasons why we stayed fairly low with more ornamental types of trees on the northwest corner and to provide some buffering on the edges with large over story trees. Again, we'll be working with BRW on that as that is refined. Now look at the parking lot. Again, we've accommodated staff's concerns with the need to create what I call our outdoor rooms for your landscape and as you'll see, the parking lot is broken up into fairly small areas and I think that what we've come up with works very well in that respect. The other comment I would have too on that is that, in selection of material again we have tried to utilize materials that follow the neo-traditional aspect, but also accommodate the city's...for native species. That's kind of a blending of the two. Then you have to also throw into the equation salt tolerance of species along the highway corridors, and look at other conditions needed to a specific site such as... And overall,the whole plan we believe will create an excellent setting for the motel and will incorporate a pattern that will be able to be repeated throughout the Villages. Now in looking at the issues of landscaping, berming,and screening of the parking. I think it's very important when you look at those issues and you consider what's happening in Chanhassen on some other sites,that a very important relationship you have to consider is the relationship of the elevation of the highway to the elevation of the parking lot on the site. I know as I go down TH 5 further to the east there's a few sites in there that have some berming and landscaping that really doesn't achieve any screening of the parking lot and I think that the key element is not the height of the berming in relationship to the parking lot per se,but it's the height of the berming in relationship to the view 29 Planning Commission Meeting -November 6, 1996 point out on the highway. As we've tried to show by illustrating a view line through the site, accommodating the point of the top of the berm and how the land form in itself will achieve screening of the parking lot and that will allow for views of the structure and the other development behind it. Especially the promenade I think would be a very important element that you want to have visible from the highway. And then in looking at the placements of the trees through the parking lot and on the edges, to me when you do a landscaping you need to take into account that, what is the function of this tree. What are we trying to achieve here? And within a parking lot you're trying to reduce the heat absorption of the parking lot to try to deal with a micro climatic conditions that are created in a sea of asphalt. We've broken that up into smaller areas and provided trees that have a fairly good density which will provide for shade within a parking lot. And also try to have...species on the edges, ornamental trees, over story trees and evergreens to provide for a variety. So called variation as well as accommodate those views into this development as well as providing for views into the other portions of the overall site. The other comment I would make on that too is that, as we look at the east/west section, which has Market Boulevard over here. One of the comments of Mika was in relationship to the density of the landscape and the views of the structure. I think that if you consider the view angles in conjunction with that,the structure loses a story, number one. As you look up towards the upper portion of the structure, that's where the branching and the density of the trees will accommodate the screening of the upper portion so there will be some...views into the structure of the site, but it will be I believe a very soft edge. And again we'll work with staff and if there's any enhancements necessary, we'll obviously incorporate those into here. Again, one other thing I wanted to illustrate is a person who's driving into the property. There's a parking lot there but we've also tried to even accommodate some screening of the parking lot as a person drives into the property. And we've got a hedge row on that edge as a person drives in to screen parking as well. So it's not only from a highway side, because there's only one turn lane because we feel that the emphasize should be on the building. Not on the parking and a way to achieve that is by properly placing landscaping and having adequate screening in it. Mancino: So you're developing green walls and rooms in here? Allen Kregman: Yes. Absolutely. Mancino: Okay. Part of the Village character is having wonderful over story trees all over and so that you do have certainly a line of sight and you'll be able to see the hotel. There's no question because it's going to be three stories high and the cupola is 36 feet tall. But we would still expect to see some over story trees on that Highway 5 side because that is part of the character of the traditional village. Allen Kregman: I agree with that. The vertical elements do create that character and vertical elements can bring more of a human scale. You can sometimes use a variety of species, some which may be a little bit taller and some which may be a little bit shorter. Mancino: Well when you talked about just ornamentals, that's where I was. 30 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Allen Kregman: On the northwest corner of the site, yes. And the intent there was to provide for screening, a lower level screening for the structure. The only uses out on that edge would be for the outdoor plaza, which we talked about, and I know Mika mentioned some issues of landscaping in there. Obviously we want to have flowers and have some very nice ornamental types of landscape that will be very attractive and really draw attention to the character. But again, if you put larger trees in this area here,you're going to be losing views of the signage from this intersection,which we feel is an important element that needs to be preserved. Even with the placement of the evergreen trees that we've got out here,we've tried to accommodate views across the promenade as well as views back into... There is a place where those trees should occur and in working with the undulation of the berming that we've got and the low point is where we place the evergreen trees to maintain the integrity of the berm and at the same time provide for variety and enhancement of the landscape on that edge. Aanenson: Can I just give you some staff comments on the scenario that... I guess that's why we turned it over to BRW... I guess to keep this project moving in good faith, we agreed that BRW could come up with a master plan to make it appropriate but I want to make sure that you understand where the staff's... Mancino: And while we're being real...BRW comprehensive plan, some sort of visual renderings so that we can, and so that the applicant can make sure that with overstory, that we would still be able to see their signage, which I know is important. Allen Kregman: And obviously we'll be working with BRW in the final version of our landscape plan to accommodate all of their ideas. Mancino: So we want to do both things. Make sure that they can see their signage and make sure that it still retains that traditional character feel of having the overstory trees. Any questions at this point? Thank you. John Seibert: I guess at this time what I'd like to do is address the recommendations of the staff, and also go back and...and then at that point in time open it up for any additional questions that might end up being. First of all, in reference to, we've spent a fair amount of time talking about the landscape issues along Highway 5,and I don't want to reiterate that. What we're really asking to look at this evening, is to look at the site specific,excluding the highway corridors because they're going to be incorporated into an overall landscape master plan. So I'm asking this evening to make the approval based upon the landscape plan that we have designed, to incorporate the actual interior of the project. Rather than to be as specific about the Highway 5 corridor. Appreciating, understanding the importance of that. Appreciating and understanding the staff's concern and also on the other side,appreciating and understanding the architectural review board of Mika Milo in making sure that we don't block the project so of course the project can be seen as well. So there are issues there that I think we all need to work through in reference to BRW's assistance on. So I guess in reference to that recommendations, that you're making in reference to 1 through 5,hopefully you'll understand in working with BRW and trying to control the view path. 6 obviously incorporates the fact that our landscaping in our project is to be compatible with the entire Villages on the Ponds, and I think you see it as understanding 31 Planning Commission Meeting -November 6, 1996 that we're proceeding in that direction. There's reference made to the fact that we should utilize a variety of street furniture and that sort of thing. And I guess what I'd like to do is, I'd like to just give you a little bit of feel for how we're planning on going about that process. This is an outdoor patio area,and the outdoor patio area does have access from our pool area,as well as it will access to the walkway system that goes around the entire project. And so I our intent obviously is to make this outdoor patio area this festive area. It is going to be a focal point on the project from the Highway 5,and also the Highway 101/Market Boulevard. And the intent would be there obviously to utilize festive colors in the umbrellas, the lawn furniture and that sort of thing we're going to end up having out there so we're intending to have as a very focal point in the entire project. And that also is one of the issues we've talked about in what kind of landscaping do you put around this so you can see it best so you see the struggle that we're going through, but we're definitely trying to address all those issues. In addition to that, what we have for furniture here,we envision we'll have...benches sitting out front that again will end up giving some of that exterior lawn furniture feel. So we do envision that those will be incorporated in probably as well to incorporate a bench over in this area too. Again, to bring that warm, inviting feeling to the project. We understand and we appreciate the value of having our place looking like it's very comfortable and inviting so I assure you that our directive in this whole process is to accomplish that. So in reference to 7, I guess I certainly would suggest or recommend to the Planning Commission that that is something that we will incorporate into it. Again in reference to number 8. Our understanding was that we would need to present a separate sign package for permitting purposes. To get a feel for what kind of signage program we're anticipating tonight and was presented to you by the presenters. In reference to number 9. Obviously when a final plat is, we understand that a final plat has to be filed in order for us to go ahead and apply for building permits and so forth and the developers obviously are assuring us that they're going to take care of that process as well. And we're also very accustomed to the fact that we are going to be required to end up having some financial assurances that the landscaping process will take place and that it will end up being completed as again we are presenting to you this evening. In reference to 10, we again in talking about that. Where it talks about the access onto the property through this road that's just to the south of the motel building. And given the fact that that is somewhat of an unknown at the present time, the County is supposedly going to end up having to patrol that access,we've been dealing with the State as well as the County as well as staff in working through the concerns and the issues in reference to that. Some of the cirulcatory type fashions and that sort of thing that we've looked at, do preclude to us the need to have that right- in/right-out access to help eliminate some of the congestion that will actually occur up at the stop lights. So this will hopeful help eliminate some of that process and back-up that might occur internally so those are issues that we've been looking at and working with the State and the County and staff on so I would again plead to you in the fact that this is an issue. Appreciate it's an issue and we're all working diligently in trying to get a resolution to that particular aspect of it. I'll refer to the circulatory patterns that are developed within the project. We have not had the opportunity to sit specifically with the Fire Marshal to review what his direct concern was. We did feel that we addressed some of those circulatory concerns when we designed the project and as Allen has expressed this evening, if it requires us to cut back the curbs or round the curbs a little bit more, we certainly have no objections to doing that. In reference to item number 12. We currently have 13 fire hydrants on the site. Or 3 fire hydrants. Number 12, 13. I'll get myself back in line here. In reference to the specific site, we do currently have 3 fire hydrants on 32 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 the site and in here they're making reference to the fact that we provide three additional fire hydrants. I'm not sure if that was one where there were none. Mancino: Total of 3 Sharmin? There needs to be just a total of 3 on the site? Al-Jaff: Correct. Mancino: It doesn't need to be 6,does there? Al-Jaff: No. It's a total of... Mancino: And you just want them to be in accordance with the City Fire Marshall's recommendations? Al-Jaff: Correct. Mancino: Okay. Does that make sense John? John Seibert: Sure. We have no problem with that. But when we looked at it we said we had to have 6 fire hydrants and in dealing with our engineers, they said why over kill on it. Three does cover...so just a clarification there and we do comply with that recommendation. 13. In reference to the site utility improvements. We understand, and the developer understands that separate permitting is going to be required on that. Storm drainage to be revised and catch basin...address those particular issues on there and again we have no problem with the recommendations that staff has made in reference to the sizing on that. Mancino: Any other concerns with the last few. You don't need to go through them John but are there any other ones that you have a concern about and would like to,need some clarification on? John Seibert: No. And the rest of those on there were basically issues that are going to be taken care of in the process of all this. I would like to make reference to this lighting plan. Item number 19. Here again it says specifically to us that we have to provide a detailed lighting plan at the time of our building permitting process so I apologize that we didn't have that shown to you tonight but our understanding was that that would be done at that time. Then in reference to Mika Milo's comments... I hope again I've helped you understand that we do have a festive community that we're trying to develop on the exterior, on the pool area. We do have an enlarged pool area that's larger than all the rest of our properties so we take that festive environment inside and carry it on outside into that patio area so we're looking at that as being a very festive and recreational type of environment. Mancino: John, one real quick question. John Seibert: Sure. Mancino: I'm assuming there is no roof top equipment. I mean there is not going to be a big. 33 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 John Seibert: No. The way we handle our-particular building is we use through wall units and we take care of all our heating and air conditioning through that whole fashion. And then the air exchanges that are occurring inside the pool area,those actually occur within a mechanical room so the unit sits inside that mechanical room. Mika had a couple other concerns that he addressed, that I'd like to just make comments to if I might please. And that was he had made reference to the fact that he'd like to see. What Mika had addressed is,he was concerned about how we deal with this element on the building and he wanted to repeat that. Well in that area we also have an elevator incorporated and it just physically doesn't fit into the building to be able to use that particular element so I don't want it to be looked at as being one well, we just don't want to spend the money. Obviously we've spent a lot of money towards this process and are spending more on this than...that this particular layout does not accommodate that issue and so when we visited with Mika about that he said, okay if you can just give me a little more break up on that. We did that with the columns and that sort of thing. I think we've addressed that issue and again I wish he were here so he could speak to you directly on that issue rather than through written material. So we did try to address that particular element. The other thing that he talks about is the landscaping to the northwest. You'll note that he's making reference to the fact that it should be smaller landscaping so again, I'm not going to take that issue any further than what we have at this point in time. With that I guess I'd like to conclude with the fact that we obviously are anxious and if you talk to Lotus Realty they'll tell you. Yes, these people have been bugging us a lot and our desire's obviously to try to get on winter construction fairly soon so we can end up being open for next summer. We would like to end up being kind of the forerunners in the process of development of Villages on the Ponds and we feel that it will be a very good draw to the entire development and help spur development on. So our anticipation is that as soon as we go through the permitting process and that sort of thing, is to go ahead and start construction. And that means we would do winter construction on this particular site. We are accustomed to that. We have done a lot of winter construction and in our particular type of business, it's very important for us to be open during the real strong part of the season so our intent would be to try and move the process through as rapidly as we can so we can be open in May or June of this coming year. We started out with a project being 77 units and we do hope to expand to the project up to 95 units. The parking issue that we were concerned about with there is certainly one that we're concerned about but again we need to work with BRW to understand the berming and all of those issues but we do have a concern about losing 11 parking stalls out of our parking lot. And I guess I make reference to that because you need to understand that we're trying to be a part of this overall community. When people come to a motel,they're a little more destination orientated and because they're destination orientated, they want to park there. They don't want to park over in an office building or over in a restaurant and then walk to the motel and spend the night in the motel. So that's why we've been so concerned about that particular issue and Sharmin made reference to the fact that we don't want to lose 11 parking stalls. She's correct. We don't and we don't because we're looking at number one,providing our customer with the convenience and availability to the parking. And then also to...our ability to expand our parking. With that I would invite any questions you would have. Mancino: Are there any questions at this point? 34 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Al-Jaff: If I may make a correction. You asked earlier if there were a total of 3 or 6 fire hydrants. Condition(k)on page 21. Mancino: Of addition of 5 will be required. Al-Jaff: Three additional fire hydrants. Mancino: I'm sorry, 3 additional. Al-Jaff: So that would make a total of 6 and not 3. Aanenson: You certainly have an opportunity between now and Council to meet with the Fire Marshall... Mancino: Okay. And maybe we could put that as a condition. To get clarification with the Fire Marshall. John Seibert: And I guess that's what I would request at this time. Just to get additional clarification from the Fire Marshal. Mancino: Any other questions? Well thank you. You've given a very complete presentation. Answered lots of questions so I thank you for that. Can I have a motion to open this for a public hearing. A motion and a second please. Joyce moved, Peterson seconded to open the public hearing. The public hearing was opened. Mancino: This is open for a public hearing. Anyone wishing to address the Planning Commission on this item,please do so. Anyone? Seeing none, may I have a motion to close the public hearing and a second. Joyce moved, Peterson seconded to close the public hearing. The public hearing was closed. Mancino: Comments from commissioners. Craig. Now let me just come up with a couple of things here. We will see a comprehensive landscaping plan from BRW. Probably at the beginning of the year. It will include the TH 101/Market Boulevard side and Highway 5. We will also be seeing,the signage will be coming back to us in more detail and exactly what that is. I guess those are two things we'll be seeing later. And a lighting plan will be coming when the final plat goes so I'm assuming the lighting plan will not come through the Planning Commission? Aanenson: No. Mancino: Okay. 35 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Peterson: Well I've been struggling with this one since we got the packet last week, and I've been searching for, searching for ways to articulate how I felt about the project itself. I bring the, I guess the commissioners back to the last year or so that Mika and Vernelle and Brad have been talking about this neo-traditional style of architecture. This warm European feel and the vision for what that community is or what we want it to be. And I tried to fit this structure in here within that same European feel, and I'm not able to do it. I'm searching for what part of the design that that doesn't work. I heard the presenters talk about, that it does fit the design standards. I see the comparison with the drawing. The rendering below. And I look at those two and I don't see a correlation between the two. I see the bottom rendition, which is a pond being much more European. Much more with a defined character than what the motel has. I guess I look at that and in many ways I see, whether there's a Midwestern style or more of a, almost a Western style feel to the actual model itself. I do see it as a big box. I'm trying to offer ideas that would make it more of a warm, inviting kind of a building but even though it was offered by the developers, I don't feel that. And I'm struggling with giving advice as to how I gain that. I look back at the design standards for the Villages and try to correlate some of those issues that were brought up and the standards set forth by staff and the overall developers and I also have a hard time correlating the two. You know I think you look at the pictures that were presented for, you know as far as what the current buildings are as far as what the Americinn's are doing too and I think they are pretty typical boxy style motels that I don't think that is what we originally had envisioned or what we had thought we were getting when we talked about the Villages on the Ponds concept originally. And I think that in and of itself, I think Americinn's have done a nice job of presenting a motel. I just don't think it fits within the Villages on the Ponds as it's designed today. The upscale image, I don't see that. That was offered earlier as far as a characterization of it. I think it's a nice style building but it being the focal point of really what Villages on the Ponds is going to be, it's the most visible structure probably that's going to be there. Closest to Highway 5 so I think we have to be even more careful about what goes in from an architectural standpoint than any other building in the development. So I guess, other than just the architecture of it, and even the building materials I don't think lends itself to what the character of the Villages on the Ponds really was set forth over the past year. At least was intended in my mind. I would look to the other commissioners to get a feel. Mancino: Can you talk directionally at all? Peterson: Well,there were numerous pictures that were presented over the last year have much more of a brick feel. Much more, you talked about pavers before. Meandering kind of a feel that there is much more lines of architecture. Roof lines that had more character. There's awnings. There is much greater use of windows. Of unique styles. I mean if you look back at the presentation booklet and the pictures,whether it's in Europe or the Grand Avenue in St. Paul or the downtown character that,even throw in Excelsior as an option. Has more of a distinct and uniqueness to it that I think is offered by this proposal tonight. So I'm not comfortable with what the architectural lines, nor necessarily how the building materials fits into what I envisioned. You look at St. Hubert's Church. You compare the two and I can't. I don't see them correlating easily. As far as being similar in character of design and building materials. 36 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Mancino: Any other comments? Peterson: I think that's it. Joyce: Well I'll have to say it was a well thought out, logical presentation. I think it's a very, very nice project. But I have to agree totally with Craig. I think it's how are we going to integrate this into the Villages on the Ponds and where it is a nice project, I don't know if it integrates well with that. It's ironical to discuss the neo-traditional concept through all these meetings but this is a motel. M-O-T-E-L,which to me says it's automobile friendly. And just the mention of the 11 parking spaces, how they need the 11 parking spaces so that their customers can come in there and be closer to their motel doesn't lend itself to what Mika was saying about bringing in the pedestrian. So I, originally when I heard there was a motel. It's not an inn. It's not a hotel. It's a motel. I think that's an important distinction. It's the first project in this,the first site plan we've had for this project so it's also kind of an anchor and will give the flavor to the whole project. And I don't know if that's, I guess I'm just agreeing with Craig. The flavor is different. I've been standing up and down looking at that. Looking at St. Hubert's and I don't see, they aren't similar. I don't see the dormers. I don't see the brick that Craig had eluded to. The varied architecture. I'm giving comments. I don't have any direction. It looks like the developer is very intent on putting Americinn's in. It's totally comments. Just comments. I mean it follows all the requirements and everything else but I have to make those comments so that's basically it. Mancino: Bob. Skubic: I think Craig and Kevin have pretty much voiced my feelings on this. It is a very nice motel but I also don't see that it meets the intent of the Villages on the Ponds PUD. I think it meets the letter of the plan but not the spirit and you know it has the features. The cupola and the dormers and so forth but it's not,at least what I had come to expect by looking at some of the earlier renderings. And I guess that's something that, that's why the Commission is here to try to help put intentions into some ordinance here but I'm not sure how to do that. I think what Kevin and Craig have said covers as much as I would have to say about it. Mancino: Ladd. Conrad: Well it's interesting. It's certainly a situation where there's certain expectations and maybe this is not appearing to be the, fitting the expectations. I'm not sure that I had the same expectations in reality. Are we creating a European village? Is that the expectation that we are? I'm not sure that there's a market that's going to come in that really does re-create a European Village. So if we have that expectation, you know I think there's a design direction that way but I'm not sure that it's really going to happen so if that's our standard, then maybe this doesn't fit and maybe nothing else will get built. Real interesting situation. I think this is, it is a motel and it's probably not to the same vision that we saw with all the pretty drawings that Mika did. I guess I don't have the same degree of expectations that maybe I've heard other Planning Commissioners say. I think this is sort of a lead project in the area. Does it set the design standards? It probably does a little bit. But does it make the area more viable to start the rest of 37 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 the projects? It probably does that. It probably gets the project rolling. So my comments are a little bit more specific. Probably saying this is acceptable to me with some changes. The things that are a concern to me are the vistas into the lot and therefore the BRW landscaping plan will be very interesting. We have to break up parking lots. If we've learned anything, the parking lots are just, we don't need big parking lots. And when we start adding the second unit, if it's a restaurant in this area, then all of a sudden we're building back parking lots. I liked very much what this developer has done in making the little pockets for parking. I think that's quite nice. It's, I like how that is. The berming and landscaping though has to shelter that so again I think it's real important that if a building like this goes in, that we give that building the right signage exposure. The light building exposure. Yet we do cover the parking lots and create the vistas that we had envisioned. The things that,the other two things that I'd just say. I didn't see all the details that I thought we would be getting. I really thought there'd be more details in this, and again I didn't expect grandiose details. Mancino: What kind of details are you talking about? Conrad: We're talking about benching. And we're talking about things that accent the unit and boy, these are not costly things but they were handled as a secondary,oh we'll do them and I think they should be part and parcel of the presentation so unfortunately you're the first test case that we have and that's, here we go. But those details should be there because I think that's what we all brought into. We all have different visions of what this whole area should look like. But the details have to be there. The other side, and I guess the bottom line for me personally would be that this is probably acceptable. The west elevation is not acceptable. I think Mika brought up some good points and they have to be considered. This is the friendly side of the building. I like this. The other two sides are really not friendly. The north side is friendly. I like the patio. There's some really nice things. I like the cupola. I even like the potential signage that I see. I think it's fine. What's not fine is the westerly and southerly exposure. Primarily the westerly exposure and Mika brought that up. And I just don't think that's a difficulty in doing it but it's the warmth of the area that, it's the warmth of the community that we should be bringing out in some of the details. And the only other thing I have to say specifically is on the parking on the south side, there's not a sidewalk for those parking stalls which means we'd be bumping them out into the street, if they were really hotel customers parking there. If that is full of hotel. So somehow we need, in design considerations we really, we can't have people walking into the streets. So maybe there's something I don't know but again if those are for hotel guests and they are bringing things into the room,we can't be bouncing them out into the street. So that's a detail but, so just to recap some individual details that I think are important on the building site like this and what we talked about are benches and lighting and I think we've referred to it as a primary concern. Not a secondary concern. And then the westerly elevation I think. Mancino: And the south. Conrad: And the south,yeah. It just has to be broken up somehow and I don't think we've done it. So where I'm at is, I think this is acceptable for my expectations but I think it needs a little bit of work. 38 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Mancino: You'd like to see it back...? Conrad: Probably,yeah. Mancino: Jeff. Farmakes: What more is there to add? Maybe some more constructive things. I guess in talking about, when we talked about details and talked about lighting and benches. I think there was more to his comments than lighting and benches. The issue of detail I think is kind of glossed over a little bit. Potentially working more brick than just 3 feet of wainscoting into the structure. When you talk about neo-traditional and that's such a broad term. In looking at the structure, possibly shutters. Possibly widow walks that break up those two bigger slabs. And working the brick up in breaking up some of those large gray clapboard. That is the problem. It looks more motley than what people are talking about their expectations are European village. I got the interpretation in listening to Mika talk is the issue of European village is more how different structures were set up between retail and apartments and things of that nature than trying to do a Disneyland recreation of a European village. That really wasn't the intent per se. So I don't expect to see a stucco alpine lodge here with flower boxes and Greta sticking out of the window there. On the other hand,this kind of goes back in the general comments that we were talking about all along and before...we were talking about issues of detail in the buildings and traditionally franchise buildings omit that. They omit detail. Detail in material and those are the things that give, that lends character. Mancino: Connect it into... Farmakes: Well fit in but also building up to a different level. It's not your standard building. You go up to the same building driving down the street 20 times, going into... Things aren't mechanical. The thing about corporations is that they often spend a lot of money standardizing those things because they feel that that type of look projects their image. You know a McDonald's when you see it. And to a certain extent that's a good thing. On the other hand, communities like,are like any other people who buy a home or live somewhere. They want some individuality in the community. They want some idea that that's a special place, or it's a cut above. I think if you were to look at that project when we talked about details, a brick is always a good one. Shutters. Changing the roof lines here and there. This area here where the cupola is, somewhat more of that I think is a good thing. Trying to incorporate some more breaking up on the other two wings here. What you talked about it in the integration of the landscaping. To wait on that. Nothing further constructive to say. Mancino: Good comments. Alison. Blackowiak: Okay. I don't have a lot to add. I do agree about the importance of detail. And if this is to be, as Mr. Seibert said, a flagship location, I think detail would be very important at this point. Nancy mentioned pavers or something at the entrance. ...benches. Those types of things would add detail and add interest to the project. So I fully agree with that. I guess I'm coming to this a little bit late so I don't know what the expectations were for this whole project. I don't see 39 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 European village when I look at that motel. I do see it more with the promenade rendering that is below. So I don't know if there's, and again I'm not going to comment in that direction but what could be done to maybe tie it more into that village feel, or that promenade feel? Just some comments about the trees in the northwest corner. That whole thing. I think we need bigger story or over story trees in that corner. I can't believe that you need a sight view with small shrubs to see a 37 foot cupola. That just doesn't make sense to me. I think it could accommodate some larger trees in that corner, and the trees would, it's a whole package we're looking at. It's not necessarily just the building itself,and I'm talking about basing approval on the interior of the project,not on landscaping. Well this is a package that we're looking at so I think we need to kind of look at the overall feel and I don't get the overall impression that it's a finished package right now. Mancino: Thank you. Good comments. I'm comfortable with the contingency that it's on BRW comprehensive landscape plan coming in and our reviewing it...for the perimeter landscaping. And hopefully the comments we gave tonight, staff will take them into account when you are meeting with BRW and with Lotus. And I think the architectural comments have been very good and I'd like to see it back again and I'd like to see some of the more detailing, secondary elements that Mika talks about, integrated so we can actually see it and maybe bring photos of what you're talking about. And also I'd like to see the west and south elevations have more detail, more character to them. Make them more welcoming because that west side is so big. And that's where many of us will be coming in from Market Boulevard so I would like to see it again. I also agree with, and I think some of Jeff's comments about a widow's walk. More brick. Breaking up the large gray areas and changing some of the roof lines and maybe shutters, etc. Those are all things obviously that you could take into looking at, at the design or changing it to some degree or adding to it. And I'd also like to see a sidewalk on the south side. I thought that was a very good idea too. Pedestrian friendly part of it. So may I have a motion with that? Brad Johnson: Can I add one thing? Mancino: If you can come forward. Brad Johnson: I'm Brad Johnson... I think this has been a tough one to present because it's basically a motel. Most of what you have looked at as far as our proposal is concerned, and all the drawings that we've done, if you look at it, I don't think they've changed much to the village. It's always had an L shaped building on one corner. The difference is most of the architecture that you're talking about was in the core area. And all the illustrations that you see around here are core area of the village type of content and I think you can deal with both issues. I mean this is a psychological... That we look at the core area, and I don't know if we've got a plan or not but we perceive and, and this is just a practical thing that we're going to get into. We think that we'll control and provide the image,and by the way the architecture that Mika is presenting is called Upper Midwest Traditional. It's not European and that's why we put in the barn. You know if you look at some of these you'll see barns and things. That's the kind of stuff... The European part of it is the friendliness. The streets. The walks and stuff like that. But he was trying to use an architecture that was a little bit eclectic and if you look at some of the things that we've done, in your books you'll see it. It's very eclectic. I mean we actually have a silo on one 40 Planning Commission Meeting- November 6, 1996 of the buildings. One over in here someplace so, that's how I was trying to explain it. I think the European thing comes from the tightness of this area and when you start looking like that, I don't know if that's European or not but that would be our vision if we were to do this of that. It turns out that this little area right here is a$18 million project. And it has to be done all at once we decided. So we'll bring that in and we'll have some control over the that. What's going to happen however, as we try to finance this project. In other words we have to sell some land and build some buildings in order to do the core area. Much like we did with St. Hubert's. They were kind of a finance. Americinn came to us almost 18 months ago and offered to be a participant and because of their interest, and obviously they've changed their hotel tremendously from their standard one, to try to upgrade to meet sort of our goals. I think we're kind of halfway in-between of what we were trying to do. Each of these sites out here, I mean let's see, where are they first. Oh, it's not north. Remember the problem? So this is north. This building, this building, this building, maybe not this building, but this building, this building. These out here and anything along in here and here, are going to be sort of somewhat more traditional...you know we aren't planning on building those ourselves and we're going to have to deal with whoever that is. And they're going to have their standard building. You know whether it's Park Nicollet or a clinic or something, they all have standard buildings that they'll try to adjust to this use. I mean that's the way it's going to be. They'll come in, not as a franchise but a standard building that they're used to using. And I don't know what we'll do...because that's this one, this one,this one and probably down in this area. This core area, is sort of that. We asked Mika to do this. This core area was where a lot of our grant money is going because we probably couldn't do all this unless we had the grants that we seem to be able to get for the project. I think that's where,I'm just trying, if it's going to be a problem, I think they've done a very good job of trying to adapt. I'm sure they're going to listen to some of your comments. I think they'd like to be open next summer. I mean that's a critical time. We're building a hotel today ourselves which we're going to open January 1st, which is absolutely disaster and if we could open in the summer, they cash flow better and all that stuff so I would, we'd like to see it just kind of move along and make some changes because I think the adjustments that we're talking about is that yeah, it's not perfect but it was out here see and people showing you all this stuff. I'm not trying to sell any of that but that's how I think I based it. We've got to do certain things in this to make it look,and we have to attract other developers like Americinn, to come in and do things. And you know,that's just what we're like. We have to figure out how, one issue is should people be able to see in here? Or should they be able not to see in. Well we'll have to come to some conclusion on it. And the same thing is,as you're dealing with, you know you guys are right. This does not look like that. That's right. I don't know what we can do about that. Other than they've been working on it and I think they've been listening to you. Aanenson: I hope we have a PUD ordinance that takes care of that, otherwise. Brad Johnson: Well no, I'm just saying is. Well they'll meet the standard but it may not look like this. That's all I'm saying. It will meet your standard but this meets, this meets your standards. It didn't meet your expectations. Mancino: Well we can also make recommendations. 41 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Brad Johnson: Yeah, and I think they're going to listen to it. I like the idea of the detail stuff and all that,but I'm just saying,that's my problem but we've tried to work through this and we've got to come to some grips of what we're trying to accomplish. Mancino: Thank you. May I have a motion please? Conrad: Yeah, I'll make the motion to table Case#96-13. Mancino: And would you like to give your reasons for tabling? What you'd like to see how it would come back. Conrad: I think I'd rather vote on the tabling and then have us dialogue for the applicant what we're looking for because there are different expectations. It's not mine so again my recommendation is to table. Joyce: I'll second that. Mancino: Any discussion on the tabling? Conrad moved,Joyce seconded that the Planning Commission table Site Plan Review#96- 13 for Americinn Motel and Suites. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Mancino: Now let's give some direction. Conrad: And I'll start out, because it's my motion. I would like to see more detail on the building. On the west and south side for sure. I would like to see the applicant give concrete examples of the other details that we're probably looking for. Concrete meaning these are what we will do. Benches. Whether it be certain types of lighting. Not just lighting that identifies a building but the character type lighting. Maybe it's the patio area where the addition will go. It's whatever, and this is my interpretation of what this entire property is about. It's connectivity and it's letting people walk through the area and that's what I see as the big part of this project. Is it's pedestrian people friendly so I'm looking for those type of elements. And I'm looking, and I think the applicant did a good job in talking about the patio to the north. The tables but I guess I need more of those on this site. Also the other thing that I think I specifically talked about was really reviewing seriously the sidewalk on the south side so that the cars can, the people unloading their cars from that side will have a sidewalk to walk on to get to the building. Mancino: Any additions to that? Jeff? Farmakes: This is informal, right? Mancino: Yes. But it is clearly to give direction. 42 Planning Commission Meeting-November 6, 1996 Farmakes: Well I think these two areas here, the massive gray areas, shoe box in there, they can maybe integrate...brick in these areas or create some sort of relief...long expanse of straight line. So it looks a bit more like what's going on the other end, that would help. Also it would break up a big,gray slab of clapboard. Mancino: So you like the elevation changes that are going on in this northern end? Farmakes: Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, this is all gray. If brick came up there or something to break up the expanse of it. I think the idea for the architects is to look how to break that up and detailing would be how to make it, it could be a little bit more personable. Maybe...shutters or benches or things of that nature. Mancino: Any other comments? Direction? Peterson: Like I told the other comments too. I think possibly the columns that are in there could be, I think the pictures render them as, photographs of these were wood. Timber style. They could be brick again to warm up the feel. I think just breaking up the building a little bit. Adding more of a rich. Mancino: I'm sorry, Truman didn't hear you. The columns being, instead of wood, brick. May help in breaking up the expanse also. Peterson: I would, I think just look at reconsidering the exterior building materials just as far as, I don't think they present again we're operating on assumptions here but that that style of siding may not necessarily be conducive to the rest of the Villages on the Ponds. I'm making an assumption there. And potentially even the color. I mean we're looking at, I had in my mind more of an earth tone versus the gray, which presents kind of a colder, impersonal feel, than what I heard you presenting of what you wanted the motel to be like. You wanted that warmth, inviting and whether gray is your standard color or not, I don't know but it didn't present itself as being inviting from my perspective so general feedback. Joyce: The only point I had was, I do agree with the planning staff as regards to 11 parking stalls. I think the applicant should come up with another option. I think it's important to work in that green space and pedestrian trail that the staff has put together. And that'd make me a lot more comfortable with the project if they could consider something to do with those 11 parking stalls or work it into what staff is directing on that particular item. That's all I have to say. Mancino: Thank you. Thank you very much and we will see you maybe in 2 weeks. POST OFFICE CARRIER ANNEX SITE-UPDATE. Public Present: Name Address 43 W:\HKS\PROJECTS\96055\DRAWINGS\85-96055 Fri Nov 22 11.36:50 1996 HKS Associates, Inc. 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Ali, - • t • Al \\NI. 11 R/CE AI - SH LAKE -3: Alig 8600 Lotus Lawn & Garden December 4, 1996 Page 2 PROPOSAL/SUMMARY The applicant is requesting site plan review for a 400 square foot greenhouse expansion, replacing/combining the existing green houses, for a total area of 1,600 square feet, and a 2,480 square foot expansion of the sales area and office building to the rear of the existing building on the Lotus Lawn and Garden Center located on 2.3 acres of property zoned BH, Highway Business District and located north of Hwy. 5 on West 78th Street. The sales area and office expansion is a two story structure. The lower level will be sales and storage area with the upper level for office uses. The two story structure will incorporate cedar siding that will be stained to match the existing building exterior. Roof material will be asphalt shingles. The proposed expansion is compatible with the existing development and, overall, should improve the site appearance. BACKGROUND On September 12, 1988, the Chanhassen City Council approved a land use map for the easterly 150 feet of the property from office/industrial to commercial (LUP 88-3), a rezoning of the easterly 150 feet from Industrial Office Park, IOP, to Highway& Business Services, BH (REZ 88-3), a wetland alteration permit(WAP 88-8), and a conditional use permit (CUP 88-13) to permit a garden center in a BH district. GENERAL SITE PLAN/ARCHITECTURE The applicant is proposing an expansion of the existing Lotus Lawn & Garden Center. This expansion includes the replacement and enlargement of the existing nursery from 1,200 square feet to 1,600 square feet. The new nursery will consist of metal framing with rigid plastic, clear paneling. The proposed greenhouse will have a double peaked roof with a valley in the middle of the building. The building orientation will be north- south. The sales area and office expansion is a two story structure. The lower level will be sales and storage area with the upper level for office uses. The two story structure will incorporate cedar siding that will be stained to match the existing building exterior. Roof material will be asphalt shingles. The proposed expansion is compatible with the existing development and, overall, should improve the site appearance. DRAINAGE AND GRADING Site drainage will not be significantly increased with the site expansion. The existing drainage pattern will be maintained for the most part. Only minor site grading for the building and drive aisle will be necessary. Erosion control will be addressed at time of building permit issuance. Lotus Lawn & Garden December 4, 1996 Page 3 UTILITIES No additional utility service will be necessary with this site expansion. SITE ACCESS The applicant is proposing to add another drive aisle curb cut onto West 78`h Street to facilitate delivery trucks. Staff has reviewed the proposal and feels comfortable with the additional driveway curb cut. The drive aisle per City Code will need to be paved with a bituminous surface with concrete curb and gutter. The applicant should provide the City a $2,000 cash escrow or letter of credit to guarantee boulevard restoration, i.e. sidewalk, sod and pavement before commencing with the drive aisle construction. The building expansion may proceed prior to the drive aisle expansion occurring. LANDSCAPING The site currently has perimeter and parking lot landscaping. In addition,being a nursery, they have a rotating stock of landscaping on site. Staff recommends that the applicant incorporate foundation plantings south of the proposed sales and office building. MISCELLANEOUS Background The current building on the property was built in February, 1989, and is a type V-N (unprotected wood construction)building. It is not fire sprinklered. The original building was constructed under the 1985 Uniform Building Code,and no additional permits have been subsequently issued. Analysis: Fire Sprinklering. The proposed additions to the building will bring the square footage for the building to 5,244 sq. ft. (1,600 sq. ft - greenhouse; 1,200 sq. ft. - office; 2,464 sq. ft. sales area). The Minnesota State Building Code requires sales areas of 2,000 or more sq. ft. be fire sprinklered. The greenhouse and offices, because they are part of the same building, must also be fire sprinldered. It is possible to physically separate either the greenhouse or the office/sales addition or both to avoid fire sprinldering. If they are separated, a property line will be assumed between the buildings to determine exterior wall construction and opening protection requirements, if applicable. I have been discussing these options with Mr. Kronick. Lotus Lawn & Garden December 4, 1996 Page 4 Utilities. The submitted plans show the existing utilities under the new proposed building. The NFPA, which is administered by the Fire Marshal, prohibits water lines from being installed under buildings. A break could go undetected and undermine the foundation. The water line sizing will be incorrect if the building is fire sprinklered causing the line to be removed and replaced anyway. Accessibility. The building code requires that, when an area of primary function is altered, the accessible route including toilet rooms and drinking fountains be accessible. A maximum of 20% of the costs of the alterations need be spent to achieve accessibility. In this case, it is likely the existing toilet room will need to be remodeled, or a new unisex toilet room added. SITE PLAN FINDINGS In evaluating a site plan and building plan, the city shall consider the development's compliance with the following: (1) Consistency with the elements and objectives of the city's development guides, including the comprehensive plan, official road mapping, and other plans that may be adopted; (2) Consistency with this division; (3) Preservation of the site in its natural state to the extent practicable by minimizing tree and soil removal and designing grade changes to be in keeping with the general appearance of the neighboring developed or developing or developing areas; (4) Creation of a harmonious relationship of building and open space with natural site features and with existing and future buildings having a visual relationship to the development; (5) Creation of functional and harmonious design for structures and site features, with special attention to the following: a. An internal sense of order for the buildings and use on the site and provision of a desirable environment for occupants, visitors and general community; b. The amount and location of open space and landscaping; Lotus Lawn& Garden December 4, 1996 Page 5 c. Materials, textures, colors and details of construction as an expression of the design concept and the compatibility of the same with adjacent and neighboring structures and uses; and d. Vehicular and pedestrian circulation, including walkways, interior drives and parking in terms of location and number of access points to the public streets, width of interior drives and access points, general interior circulation, separation of pedestrian and vehicular traffic and arrangement and amount of parking. (6) Protection of adjacent and neighboring properties through reasonable provision for surface water drainage, sound and sight buffers, preservation of views, light and air and those aspects of design not adequately covered by other regulations which may have substantial effects on neighboring land uses. Finding: The proposed development is consistent with the City's Highway 5 Corridor design requirements, the comprehensive plan, the zoning ordinance, and the site plan review requirements. The site design is compatible with the surrounding development. The site design is functional and harmonious with the approved development for this area. RECOMMENDATION Staff recommends that the Planning Commission adopt the following motion: "The Planning Commission recommends approval of an amendment to Conditional Use Permit 88-13 for a site plan review for a 2,480 square foot expansion to the sales area and a 400 square foot expansion to the greenhouse area subject to the following conditions: 1. The building must be fire sprinklered or separated into individual buildings with adjusted locations to avoid sprinklering. 2. The water service must be located so as not to pass under any buildings. 3. The additions and accessible route must meet building code requirements. 4. The applicant shall provide the City with a$2,000 cash escrow or letter of credit to guarantee boulevard restoration prior to commencing construction of the drive aisle and/or apron curb cut on West 78th Street. Lotus Lawn& Garden December 4, 1996 Page 6 5. The proposed drive shall be paved with bituminous and concrete curb and gutter pursuant to City Code. 6. The applicant shall incorporate foundation plantings south of the proposed sales and office building." ATTACHMENTS 1. Development Review Application. 2. Reduced Existing Conditions. 3. Reduced Master Site Plan. 4. Reduced Building Elevations, South and East. 5. Reduced Building Elevations, North and West. 6. Conditional Use Permit(#88-13). CITY OF CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 (612)937-1900 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION APPLICANT: I"'`J LA1-s1n,; ( CACtc-rJ OWNER: J ADDRESS: 7, LJEST T ADDRESS: e/_T`: 7S %c LL( kr N.,r,,..4-L«C ,; ( HA� TELEPHONE (Day time) I(-1)- 0-7D t. TELEPHONE: L/i-1` Comprehensive Plan Amendment Temporary Sales Permit Conditional Use Permit Vacation of ROW/Easements Interim Use Permit Variance Non-conforming Use Permit Wetland Alteration Permit Planned Unit Development' Zoning Appeal Rezoning _ Zoning Ordinance Amendment Sign Permits Sign Plan Review Notification Sign /Site Plan Review' X Escrow for Filing Fees/Attorney Cost** ($50 CUP/SPR/VACNAR/WAP/Metes and Bounds, $400 Minor SUB) Subdivision' TOTAL FEE$ A list of all property owners within 500 feet of the boundaries of the property must be included with the application. Building material samples must be submitted with site plan reviews. `Twenty-4)full size folded copies of the plans must be submitted, including an 81/2" X 11" reduced copy of /transparency)or each plan sheet. t ** Escrow will be required for other applications through the development contract NOTE- When multiple applications are processed,the appropriate fee shall be charged for each application. PROJECT NAME 076,'S LJAJ S rAc,o LOCATION /S. C--` Jam`) l, C N2 AJ 4 ', LEGAL DESCRIPTION i:44-e, TOTAL ACREAGE WETLANDS PRESENT YES �/ NO PRESENT ZONING J REQUESTED ZONING Li PRESENT LAND USE DESIGNATION REQUESTED LAND USE DESIGNATION REASON FOR THIS REQUEST This application must be completed in full and be typewritten or clearly printed and must be accompanied by all information and plans required by applicable City Ordinance provisions. Before filing this application, you should confer with the Planning Department to determine the specific ordinance and procedural requirements applicable to your application. A determination of completeness of the application shall be made within ten business days of application submittal. A written notice of application deficiencies shall be mailed to the applicant within ten business days of application. This is to certify that I am making application for the described action by the City and that I am responsible for complying with all City requirements with regard to this request. This application should be processed in my name and I am the party whom the City should contact regarding any matter pertaining to this application. I have attached a copy of proof of ownership (either copy of Owner's Duplicate Certificate of Title, Abstract of Title or purchase agreement), or I am the authorized person to make this application and the fee owner has also signed this application. I will keep myself informed of the deadlines for submission of material and the progress of this application. I further understand that additional fees may be charged for consulting fees, feasibility studies, etc. with an estimate prior to any authorization to proceed with the study. The documents and information I have submitted are true and correct to the best of my knowledge. The city hereby notifies the applicant that development review cannot be completed within 60 days due to public hearing requirements and agency review. Therefore, the city is notifying the applicant that the city requires an automatic 60 day extension for development review. Development review shall be completed within 120 days unless additional review extensionse approved by the applicant. / ,X7/: /JZ ti Signy//,/ attire V plicant Oat kk/: Signature of Fee OwnerDate Application Received on �� XiFee Paid .S 6,1 Receipt No. --7,-)-2.67 /' The applicant should contact staff for a copy of the staff report which will be available on Friday prior to the meeting. If not contacted, a copy of the report will be mailed to the applicant's address. /00 'S� EXHIBIT A Legal Description of Property CARVER COUNTY PROPERTY That part of Tract C, Registered Land Survey No. 59, files of Registrar of Titles, which lies South of a line drawn East perpendicular to the West line of said Tract C from a point thereon distant 103 . 00 feet South, as measured along said West line from the Northwest corner of said Tract C; And that part of Tract D lying Easterly of the Southerly extension of the West line of said Tract C, Registered Land Survey No. 59, files of Registrar of Titles, all in Carver County, Minnesota . HENNEPIN COUNTY PROPERTY That part of the West 149 feet of the Southwest Quarter of Section 7, Township 116 North, Range 22 West of the 5th Principal Meridian, lying North of State Highway No. 5 and which lies South of a line drawn East perpendicular to the West line of Tract C, Registered Land Survey No. 59, files of the Registrar of Titles, Carver County, from a point thereon distant 103 . 00 feet South, as measured along said West line, from the Northwest corner of said Tract C, Hennepin County, Minnesota. • Extittiep Site Tabulationt: LegalDetatptlon Von*,- Uso . S Il �• —,-.may tl • ► ' , r, tiostimanesEntx �.y�. all 1 .�tr 0.G ..• iwwwwww.:,-,: . 1.1�a.n' -;11! ttsblYta flM Y M +le nl�Mr /..15.-. qct. .111"ha•-IM!: Can:nrrclat f Ro as ' �Oftw N« n •wr r.. - a '' i'' ---.A- Lot t 2.3 Aeras(tee,taa 14.11.)T-- „e�,�r two, s+,�' �)1 &es r OMmt w ` T .....7,1 !- moor AfN: 1.200 S.F. r+••+amoral�M• .•,ww °• �, 'MOM f100r 1.200 e.F:• rw.r r rr r.r Gw I • .. t'-- x710ir•,:'/ AA Vir: NW • Percent of Sad Covered hr Perking: ems Kra.e" iAriotb . 7 Stereord of She sureriodierfums' „e.r ..: v Surface:Covered by bllperlilOYa • • 18% rwimr elosis p-:- — - .. Number of Employees: 3 4.d':.r'r7.' "" Location Map room Amy.,Aro. Mrkb:g nstpl4ed: 12 MON(w11h 1 FIC) „•""', r lo w�bat Parking Provided: 18 Stalls(with 1 HC) c"" :,i ..rq'r"'r slag.HL: 1r)1 Story tz.b...r ' , Greenhouse Ht: 12')1 Story C4'...4=2.1 Oh - ,,f/ * • ,/ 1- - - Wetland la Aur« ,; .): _.t - - . _.01,,.-- wetland \ i'i , to Aw« `' ) \ ' 1- `\ �\ • 1• •_/.'�/iS//j " "(I$ /,i •;;•""�%/// %V �%%//. •76' x_i / / �l %%f lri 1 'I'I r\ - il'awm"-"' Eir' / 0// I /i�, ► • I 1 ti, %///•/.. .1.!'4. "M•J i '�• • • I Exist' Ina'Webs: • ' I 1 \. !/�/jr///!/, I I 1�i I waw�+m //%!// I11 ) , A/ __4_,.. �.r.�rrrr --" u. Tirn... est. r _ et"Stc rArr r • .rr•r•r�'r•.......... 1f11eat 1' --,-,-_,-:-.7--:-_________........:„..„...,-__fir � •f+•u -... Clow County Hsn,,,o,c„,,,„,•-,..`'•---�.� ---- --- -- ._----- - j� —� . `_ - State 1 may 6 1� 0 1800 80 120 Ell) Scale 1':30' .North ,r.+,.. 0 Lotus•Lawn & Garden T EI`PLAN SttE �il•T=�••• Chanhassen, minnesota =go— t'-= - -1 .78 West 78th.St.,Chanhassen,MN 55317 ...— , Proposed SIte Te ul tIQns_- t-___Lepel OescrlpUQQ. _Intended Use___. -1_- t. . 00-1, 1114v37-1 T,_ -Existing Zoning: OH :jEC . ..«::mss=.w nl.l amoNr • I _ 1.1.5".•-• , Existing Us.: Commercial l Retell _ aT^oP,;;,N„T,,,,1Oa,w;.r rt Nin lw, '.ra I• i . ��y 1 =•-� l't ,' Lot Sin Li 2.3 Aires(100,188 S.F.) °Tnd«4:+a `te.e at nralc.l.wnu I� • •• di I:0 1 /l�• 1.1.11.4•4 Sales Su1ldMtg •►'•ro•••••..r 111•e/.11 =M21hen• + Floor Aru: 2,420 S.F. �.`D•N.•T«w rww. •lora `I ii s • .-.. . - lir- �:"11. 1, Greenhouse Floor S°°'m•.,""w vrw, •~ Ares: - 1,200 S.F. iw«,.. www rllr.«'r° .iwtw. I I ,l1'/ Percent o}SIN IR,.r.r Waco C: t"sti•r __„ I CHAN - ^,__ �M NTI..O r.�.N41.l.sllrl 1. I ( l - - Coveret f Building, 4.1% - e«{"'.n .+wswN too.u.I►"C.T'a'e AIM' • 3� Percent of Sit w wa��{wn�a E. .�I rs•.tc4 I . `Iti Covered by Puking: 9.3% ;Miro M IIp MMr . " " Percent of alto- , air.. o..cw..r I - �I.Ir.. Cowed by Impervious �'��••� . Sorties: 24.5% t eeearmletu2soaaot ;. _� __ J Number o1 Employees 3 �.m len...0.•••••••1Perking Required: 12 son(with 1 HC) ..q.uw..va.... .... .... I., Parking Provided: 18 Stills(e.It111 MC) �.ro..w.6r4a: N= ' aw. na •r.«. ExistingBldg.Ht.: 16'/t,St ,awwa w,w..wl . aN .n c..q.r.a WV a...r . Proposed Bldg.HI.: 26'/2 Story �;.n"',, ,amo Foisting Greenhouse Ht.: 17/1 Story Pw.,`"�;".rot,,Wel ` �• »., tinN..W. \l\ Proposed Greenhouse Hl.:16'/1 Story �ws...Tm..w.rl IP `i ,eo�ti 90'---. - \ . . g %am • ' ,c ' - " . 111 - _ = l/ \ I .` , , t-- I \ 1 1 Poway LI,. -^1 . . •,. -,. .,------; ..r �9sre A i ; . I % i , � 7. � `` 1 ` .,A.t.TtA,G(4 CAMAY .w00oNw• ;` r' V rfi • / / IIT of l' ``` reewxa /=q%�¢.% • IJ' ;yrs//J ,# T �a.ir�.:rra3r- 'WPM I. I I l d I,* - II !--MITWIIMI,4 . -. VarAtp'fri i"I 1, 1 I / �; '� r.veq I I I .r..., %//. II - 'q' cN-TM,kN I iii..//��H I i t` i`� \'//// .r:A a `% Ii'I) • • la . \ % r/2. 4 it.1 , . A / 1 1 I _! Busheu(31 - ... ...w- • - . esno.�.`II •�.! s..0 7.-- i Bey t.oe01e0 weq 011e OA -, e i .jag..• • •• • e..w ..... .aNptT6th.- .1---- I -- .�.."--' _ .._ - .1 1 . . --' �' �- f _-- ,..-_-_-:::---_-_-_- _________---. i__---------- _s r- - !.! Statre Fic>>sweY� imillill_1111.17 • • Ole-oIA 1'10' North J ASTEFt6ITt3 PLAN 1,.'m' °.`_"�' 0 Lotus Lawn $� Garden r.„.-;:-.....;- _ ._t hanhassen,�minn�soIa_ V-FW- "' P8 West 78th_qt.,Chanhaplen,MN 55317 ,i ^�' 1. 4 .e... -- -- -- - I _LILT_ � 1 I _1 LA1N3.1 AfND GARpEN II I - it _ ; i rill i � ! I i +. = I i� , 1 ( i �1i i til ( ; (� Ic . I I I i , � � j ! I 1 I I . i. 1I1I I ' I � 1 I ' I , II III^ h I 1 , II , . l � ► � ll I 11 . H 1I . , l sKIciTN� Ia PMD POSED ADD IT1O1\j f �, 1 Sot)T1+ EL.EVJS.TIDN : 1I ! ! - ; , , i iil . .iii . E I I • 1 iI` • --- - - --_,�- -_ !-i_-- —ex --- i cxISTIWGPROPOSED ADIT DION `T— ff, LE\/�Tl c) - r . -. r& - �' .. . s'- = ! , � �� 1 • ; i ` - : - „ � i ' ' 1I it II I1 � ` I 111 1 lli , ' � � � it IIi i I ' , 1 , I . , t : I I _ I ', 11 , 111111 I11 1 1II I . 1� ' i i 1 . . 1 1 • 1 . 1 ' ( t 1 ' j 1 ! 1 1 1 . ( 1 1 t I , 11 '' 11 1 I PROPOSED ApDI1"lot4 EXI�iTING / ' . N ORT'4 EL5VP<TIOPI - ii `� i ! 1 i � 1 i 11 . ; ' H; - I1 � i 1 ` l 1111 I } 1 ; 1I : I I •- = . � . � • I I-- . •---- I — -- -- - _-_- ---i--- —.. PROPOSED ADD►Tlot,! ` 'EX ISTi1.1G. / l WEST EL-E�I�-TIOrtel IP 0 CITY OF CHANHASSEN CARVER AND HENNEPIN COUNTIES , MINNESOTA ----,• 41 r CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 11 (`� 1 . Permit. Subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein, the City of Chanhassen hereby grants a conditional use permit for: Garden Center 2 . Property. The permit is for the following described property in the City of Chanhassen, Carver County, Minnesota: See attached Exhibit B. 3 . Conditions. The permit is issued subject to the following conditions : See attached Exhibit A. 4 . Termination of Permit. The City may revoke the permit following a public hearing under any of the following circumstances : material change of condition of the neighborhood where the use is located; violation of the terms of the permit . 5 . Criminal Penalty. Violation of the terms of this conditional use permit is a criminal misdemeanor . Dated: September 12 , 1988 CI're ANHASSE By: mill . AP I' s Ma, o . By:' aic � Its Clerk STATE OF MINNESOTA) ss COUNTY OF CARVER ) The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this day of , 19n-, by Thomas L. Hamilton , Mayor, and Don Ashworth, City Manager of the City of Chanhassen, a Minnesota municipal corporation, on behalf of the corporation. 44, of ry Pu is ,. `R E ... .. _,� qTA ?-, tA-: Vin' .- . Mc't =^ �'- is-491 Y � AP EXHIBIT A 1 . Installation of a 6 foot evergreen screen along the south, west and north walls of the greenhouse and installation of a 2 foot hedge along the east side of the display area in front of the sales building. 2 . Approval and compliance with Wetland Alteration Permit #88-8 . 3 . The applicant shall file a plat application in conjunction with the City of Chanhassen to reserve the necessary utility easements and to properly convey the northerly portion of the site to the City. 4 . There shall be no outside sales of merchandise as opposed to outside display of merchandise. 5 . The applicant shall enter into a development contract with the City and provide the City with the necessary financial sureties to guarantee the installation of these public improvements . 6 . The sanitary sewer service shall have a sand trap prior to discharging into the public sanitary sewer system. 7 . Details for the installation and connection of the sanitary sewer and water services shall be submitted to the City Engineer for approval prior to final approval . 8 . A check valve shall be installed on the sanitary sewer service prior to discharge into the public sanitary sewer system. 9 . The proposed utility easements shall be revised to include a 40-foot wide utility easement which shall cover all of the existing and proposed utilities . 10 . A revised grading, drainage and erosion control plan shall be submitted to the City Engineer for approval as part of the final review process . 11 . The proposed water service connection shall be "wet tapped" in accordance with the latest published version for the Standard Specifications for Utility Installation from the American Water Works Association (AWWA) . 12 . Details for the service connection to the 10-inch diameter watermain should be submitted to the City Engineer for approval prior to final approval . 13 . An enclosure screening the bags of mulch and fertilizer shall be constructed by October 1 , 1989 . 14 . The applicant shall arrange to pave the parking area within four weeks of completion of the city' s work. Upon approval from city staff , the applicant may receive an occupancy permit prior to completion of the paving work. -1- 15 . Construction vehicles be screened ( typical passenger vehicles and small pick up trucks excluded) . 16 . The site shall not be used as a site for a landscaping contrac- tor' s yard business . 17 . The applicant may either install the greenhouse in a north/south orientation or install a six foot arborvitae screen as recom- mended in condition #1 . -2- AI 3 EXHIBIT B Tract C and that part of Tract D lying Easterly of the Southerly extension of the west line of said Tract C, Registered Land Survey No. 59 , files of Registrar of Titles , County of Carver; Also the West 149 feet of that part of the Southwest quarter of Section 7 , Township 116 North, Range 22 West of the 5th Principal Meridian, lying Southerly of the right-of-way of the Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railway. IFFIR0,:a, 111111 lail ip NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING owe:0 PLANNING COMMISSION U Wednesday, December 4, 1996 "T O IA) at 7:00 .m. • oh_ II P r � ♦ ` City Hall Council Chambers amrum ::F'd' Q 690 Coulter Drive =■ i/0A VSII All.. � A1 1 1■■ :111 `' .� Illi IT:,'' ��%1 MI 1■� ®Il;/ a1 Jogom �- i�1o/„�'° Olio �� SUBJECT: Addition to Lotus Lawn — yr,, • a 4511111 111111 and GardenvJ : — IV le /A . Pro .0 040. �a APPLICANT: Jay Kronick01 e di IN ►Ir.• . LOCATION: 78 West 78th Street AV-140 it' s; NOTICE: You are invited to attend a public hearing about a proposal in your area. The applicant, Jay Kronick, is requesting site plan review for a greenhouse and office building addition located on 2.3 acres of property zoned BH, Highway Business District and located at 78 West 78th Street. What Happens at the Meeting: The purpose of this public hearing is to inform you about the developer's request and to obtain input from the neighborhood about this project. During the meeting, the Commission Chair will lead the public hearing through the following steps: 1. Staff will give an overview of the proposed project. 2. The Developer will present plans on the project. 3. Comments are received from the public. 4. Public hearing is closed and the Commission discusses project. The commission will then make a recommendation to the City Council. Questions and Comments: If you want to see the plans before the meeting, please stop by City Hall during office hours, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday. If you wish to talk to someone about this project, please contact Bob Generous at 937-1900 ext. 141. If you choose to submit written comments, it is helpful to have one copy to the department in advance of the meeting. Staff will provide copies to the Commission. Notice of this public hearing has been published in the Chanhassen Villager on November 21, 1996. KAHNKE BROS INC PO BOX 7 VICTORIA, MN 55386 0007 KAHNKE BROS INC PO BOX 7 VICTORIA, MN 55386 0007 DORN BUILDERS INC C/O MARATHON SYSTEMS CONTROL INC MANAGEMENT INC 9555 JAMES AVE S SUITE 220 2222 PARK AVE BLOOMINGTON, MN 55431 MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55404 MCDONALD'S CORP (22-157) AMF O'HARE PO BOX 66207 CHICAGO, IL 60666 CHANHASSEN CAR WASH PARTNERS 4711 SHADY OAK RD HOPKINS, MN 55343 THOMAS M & PATRICIA H REDMOND C/O REDMOND PRODUCTS INC 18930 78TH ST W CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 9305 DORN BUILDERS INC C/O MARATHON MANAGEMENT INC 2222 PARK AVE MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55404 CITY OF CHANHASSEN C/O CITY JAY L& PEGGY M KRONICK TREASURER 8575 TELLERS RD 690 COULTER DR PO BOX 147 CHASKA, MN 55318 9312 CHANHASSEN, MN 55317 0147 DORN BUILDERS INC C/O MARATHON CLIFFORD L WHITEHILL MANAGEMENT INC 6247 INDIAN MEADOW 2222 PARK AVE ORLANDO, FL 32819 MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55404 CITY TF 0 tot?, 104 , CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 Itt MEMORANDUM TO: Planning Commission FROM: Jill Sinclair, Environmental Resources Coordinator DATE: November 25, 1996 SUBJ: Ordinance to Amend Sec. 20, Chemical treatment of wetlands At the request of city staff, the Environmental Commission has developed an ordinance pertaining to the chemical treatment of wetlands. The request to the Commission stems from staff experiences with residents who have inquired about city policy concerning algae control in natural wetlands and storm water ponds. Residents have complained of unpleasant views and odors from wetlands, both natural and constructed, and have wanted to apply herbicides to kill the nuisance growth. Several homeowner associations already have stonnwater ponds chemically treated to prevent algae growth. While herbicides may provide a clean appearance to these ponds, the application is extremely detrimental to the effectiveness of the wetland and adds additional pollutants into the watershed. Algae are naturally occurring cleansing systems that reduce the amount of nutrients, minerals and sediment in the water that passes through a wetland. Elimination of the algae and other aquatic plants in a wetland,destroys the pond's ability to clean the water. The city has no authority at this time to prevent homeowners from chemically treating the algae in their ponds, even though it would be in direct conflict with the purpose of the wetland. There are alternatives to chemical treatment which the city wishes to encourage as a part of this program. As a response to the request, the Commission has begun a comprehensive plan, including regulation and education,to address the issue. One component of the plan was the development of the ordinance. The other is the creation of an informational brochure which will cover the causes of nuisance algae growth and ways to prevent or manage the growth without the use of chemicals. The proposed ordinance specifically prohibits the use of chemicals in any type of wetland, including utility or storm water ponds, for the control of algae. Other items included in the proposed ordinance are an attempt to keep the city and public informed about what treatments are Planning Commission November 25, 1996 Page 2 being applied to city wetlands. Presently, no notification of any type of treatment,chemical or otherwise, is required by city ordinance. ATTACHMENT 1. Ordinance amendment CITY OF CHANHASSEN CARVER AND HENNEPIN COUNTIES, MINNESOTA ORDINANCE NO. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 20 OF THE CHANHASSEN CITY CODE The City Council of the City of Chanhassen ordains: Section 1. Section 20-407,Wetland alteration, is hereby amended by adding the following: (b) Chemical treatment of wetlands. (1) The use of algae controlling chemicals in any storm water ponds or wetlands is prohibited. (2) The city must be notified prior to the use of any form of algae control treatment. (3) At the time of notification, a person or company will be required to supply the following information: a. Location of pond b. Area of pond to be treated c. Name, address and telephone number of the party responsible for treatment d. Name, address and telephone number of person or persons performing the treatment. e. Date of treatment. f. A list of the type of treatments to be used at said time. g. A statement indicating an understanding of the treatment being applied and its effect on humans, plants and wildlife. (4) One time public notification in the city newspaper is required two weeks prior to treatment. Section 2. This ordinance shall be effective immediately upon its passage and publication. PASSED AND ADOPTED this day of , 1996, by the City Council of the City of Chanhassen. ATTEST: Don Ashworth, Clerk/Manager Donald J. Chmiel, Mayor (Published in the Chanhassen Villager on ) CITY OF i CHANHASSEN 690 COULTER DRIVE • P.O. BOX 147 • CHANHASSEN, MINNESOTA 55317 (612) 937-1900 • FAX (612) 937-5739 MEMORANDUM TO: Planning Commission FROM: Kate Aanenson,AICP,Planning Director DATE: November 27, 1996 SUBJ: Elect Chair and`Dice-Chair for 1997 Due to Nancy Mancino's victory as the new Mayor, the Commission will need to elect a new chair and vice chair for 1997. The by-laws will be reviewed and adopted in April. CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 20, 1996 Chairwoman Mancino called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Nancy Mancino,Alison Blackowiak, Bob Skubic, and Craig Peterson. Ladd Conrad and Kevin Joyce arrived at the meeting after item 1. MEMBERS ABSENT: Jeff Farmakes STAFF PRESENT: Kate Aanenson, Planning Director; Dave Hempel, Asst. City Engineer; and Philip Elkin, Water Resource Coordinator; Diane Desotelle and Ismael Martinez, City Consultants. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST TO REPLAT/RECONFIGURE 3 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS INTO 3 SINGLE - FAMILY LOTS LOCATED IN LOTUS LAKE WOODS ADDITION AND VACATION OF DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS LOCATED IN LOTUS LAKE WOODS ADDITION ON PROPERTY ZONED RSF AND LOCATED EAST OF DEL RIO DRIVE, LOTUS LAKE WOODS 2" ADDITION,JOHN KLINGELHUTZ. + Public Present: Name Address _ .. Mark Weis 400 Del Rio `, ` - r Kate Aanenson presented the staff report on this item. Mancino: Thank you. Any questions for staff at this point from commissioners? Peterson: Are any of the recommendations, as far as approvals, been changed since the original one? 1 through 5, other than, like I say has any of then changed is my question I guess. Aanenson: Not really,no. They're being consistent with,but because we...original plat so really all we need to do is just...shift the lot lines. Peterson: Okay. Mancino: So it's the short hand form. Skubic: Is the compliance table on page 4, is that supposed to be the lot size rather than the --- home --home size? Home width? Home depth? Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Aanenson: Correct. It's the lot width. Mancino: So on Lot 2,the ordinance 90 feet and Lot 2 is 52.23 feet? Is that a? Aanenson: That's at the cul-de-sac line. It has to be 90 foot at the setback, which it does meet. There should be an asterisk there that clarifies that... Mancino: So if you could include that in so that City Council knows that. It's not a variance at that point. Any other questions for staff at this point? Okay, is the applicant here and do they wish to make a presentation? Okay, then let's go ahead and may I have a motion to open this for a public hearing, followed by a second please. Peterson moved, Skubic seconded to open the public hearing. The public hearing was opened. Mancino: This is open for a public hearing. Anyone wishing to address the Planning Commission on this issue,please come forward and state your name and give your address. Seeing none, may I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing. Peterson moved, Skubic seconded to close the public hearing. The public hearing was closed. Mancino: Comments from commissioners. Craig. Peterson: Straight forward. No comments. Mancino: Bob. Skubic: Ditto. Mancino: Alison. Blackowiak: No comments. Mancino: Okay. Good staff report. Thank you very much. May I have a motion? Peterson: I make a motion that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Preliminary Plat#93-10 Subdivision to replat 3 lots into 3 lots,Lotus Lake Woods 2nd Addition as shown in plans received October 23, 1996 with the conditions noted as 1 through 5. Mancino: Thank you. Is there a second? Skubic: Second. Mancino: Any discussion? 2 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Peterson moved, Skubic seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval of Preliminary Plat#93-10SUB to replat 3 lots into 3 lots, Lotus Lake Woods 2nd Addition, as shown in the plans received October 23, 1996,with the following conditions: 1. The applicant shall enter into an amended Development Contract. 2. The existing drainage and utility easements in Lotus Lake Woods, specifically Lots 1, 2 and 3 shall be vacated and replaced by those shown on the plat of Lotus Lake Woods 2nd Addition. 3. Park and trail fees shall be paid in lieu of land in accordance with City Ordinances. 4. All areas disturbed during site grading shall be immediately restored with seed and disc- mulched or wood fiber blanket within two weeks of completing site grading unless the City's (BMPH) planting dates dictate otherwise. All areas disturbed with slopes of 3:1 or greater shall be restored with sod or seed and wood fiber blanket. 5. The front yard setback shall be reduced to 25 feet. All voted in favor and the motion carried. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER THE BLUFF CREEK WATERSHED NATURAL RESOURCES PLAN FOR OFFICIAL ADOPTION. Public Present: Name Address John Malakowsky 10301 Great Plains Blvd. Jeff Dypwick 10300 Great Plains Blvd. Tom Zwiers Moon Valley Carol Dunsmore 730 West 96th Street Charly Webber 1560 Bluff Creek Drive Jim Struble 1405 West Farm Road Jim Cook, Representing MA. Gedney Co. 2100 Stoughton Ave., Chaska Rick Dorsey 6414 Upton, Minneapolis George& Patricia Dorsey 1551 Lyman Blvd. Karen Hasse 630 West 96th Street Kathy& Duane Eischers 8460 Ibis Court Bill A. 835 East Wayzata Blvd. Angie Wanless 13471 Cambridge, Eden Prairie Gayle Degler 1630 Lyman Blvd. 3 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Connie St. Martin 9231 Audubon James Anderson 10300 Mandan Circle Conrad Fiskness 8033 Cheyenne Avenue Nancy Goetzinger 5937 Dupont Avenue So, Minneapolis Kate Aanenson and Diane Desotelle presented the staff report on the Bluff Creek Watershed Natural Resources Plan. Mancino: Thank you. Any questions from commissioners? I have a couple. Diane. When,just very generally, as I look through here and I look at the all the projects and what is high priority, medium priority, low priority. So much is funding sources. Can everyone hear? Comes under the watershed petition. Can you talk to me a little bit about that? Is that realistic? I mean there are a lot of projects and I'm sure that the cost is fairly high. The inventory and assessment of gullies and hillside slumps, etc., etc. What kind of, or Philip? Tell us a little bit about the Watershed District. Who it is and what kind of funding sources that they have and could this really happen? Elkin: Yes. Mancino: And soon. Elkin: In fact there are several letters encouraging us to, in fact demanding us to petition for money for these projects. Mancino: Demanding us to petition? Elkin: Well basically. They want their money back for the study so. But the watershed district controls the entire, when we say watershed, the entire, you can think of it as a big bowl that ends up in Bluff Creek so you're talking water, lands on the black line that the border of the creek, that eventually ends up in the creek so. Because the watershed districts extended over several cities, watershed districts were created to regulate the activities and make sure that cities weren't using their own rather than the creek's interest in developing plans or involving regulations as far as management of storm water runoff within the watershed. The watershed district, to get the projects done as part of the Bluff Creek study, what we would do is we would present the study and we would petition the watershed district so we benchmarked a series of ten projects here as part of the Bluff Creek management or Natural Resources plan and we would like the watershed district to fund these or assist in funding these projects. The funding, wetland restoration, the projects that directly affect water quality, they will fund 100%. Projects such as land acquisition for parks and trails they will fund 50%. And it goes on, depending on the type of project, they have rules as far as funding. The watershed district would then take our petition and hire a consultant to do a feasibility study. So then the numbers you see in the plan are rough estimates but they would hire private consultants to develop a cost estimate feasibility study,just to get a parameters on the feasibility and the importance of the project located in the area. Then what watershed would do, they would develop a cost estimate and then they would vote on whether they want to do the projects or not. Or whether to go ahead with that and then they would, I'm 4 Planning Commission Meeting - November 20, 1996 not familiar with the terms, levy a mil to fund the project. Then send out bids. You know once that funding is there, then they send out bids and the only stipulation is that the bids have to come in from the contractors within a certain percentage of the feasibility study and they would do the projects. Mancino: Okay. Desotelle: I'd like to add to that a little. Chanhassen can manage their projects if they so choose. Or they can say, you guys just manage it. Mancino: Okay. Or they can work collaboratively. Elkin: Right. It will be a cooperative effort. Aanenson: Can I make one more statement on that? The City of Chanhassen has been levied for projects in other cities and so we think it's a good opportunity for us to get from the watershed district...city of Chanhassen... Desotelle: Yes, this watershed district goes out to Eden Prairie, up to Minnetonka, parts of Bloomington and includes Riley, Purgatory and Bluff Creek. So it's quite large. That's why it's nice to have a little larger taxing area. Mancino: Good. Well Conrad is here too and he can maybe speak in a little bit. Other proposed projects. Dave, can you tell me about Highway 5 improvements. When will Highway 5 be widened to four lanes? Do we have any idea? I'm looking at the underpasses that are proposed here, which are development dependent and I'm assuming that's with the Highway 5 improvements from Powers to TH 41. Hempel: Certainly Madam Chair. It's my understanding that MnDOT will be letting bids for the expansion, widening of Trunk Highway 5 from essentially Powers Boulevard out to TH 41, which may also include a portion of TH 41 south of TH 5 in the Fall of 1998. Construction proposed in 1999. Mancino: And,just off the top of your head, do you think that's a 50/50? Aanenson: We met with MnDOT and we are on line to, for those, as a matter of fact we will...look at start of the acquisition and permitting for the wetlands so I believe we can accomplish some of these projects with the Highway 5. They will be under construction, as Dave indicated, in the spring of'99. Mancino: In the spring of'99. Okay, great. In these proposed projects, is there anything in here that city fund. Can you explain a little bit about, which is the high priority. The Bluff Creek overlay district using watershed zoning and cluster development in the amendment to the City's comprehensive plan. 5 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Aanenson: Sure. That would be the next level that we're going to do right now. The actual zoning ordinance. Now we did receive some money from the Met Council. We could use some of them for paying for that. Also some of the city funds. As development occurs, this would probably be in an area inside the MUSA. As you're aware a development is responsible for their own storm water...and wetland. Some of those projects, the construction of the...so we looked at what projects would be happening in the near future that we could tie into, with these improvement projects. Which one, there won't be development, if development's already occurred by the watershed district. So we try to look at it that way. Mancino: Okay, thank you. Desotelle: There's also several other funding sources that will be available. Once you have a plan, it's much easier to go and find monies from other agencies, and we also know better possibilities for some of these projects as they come along. But we need to have the numbers and we need to have the projects and things spelled out really clearly so this can be used for a lot of grant applications. Mancino: And I'm assuming the City really needs to have somebody pushing this forward. An advocate with this. Is the McKnight Foundation mostly educational funding? Desotelle: Throughout the year when we were doing the planning process, that's when we thought we could tie a lot of possibilities through the Interpretative Center or some of the curriculum development. That's where a lot of the contacts...I think that's really where they gear for it. Where the Board of Water and Soil Resources, the Watershed District and some of the, maybe the DNR will have some of the funding for the water resource and trails matching funds and sometimes more than that. Mancino: Okay. I just have a couple other general questions. When Kate you have put a double guiding of land use, you have put, or staff has put residential low density, or residential medium density. What does that mean? One or the other or it's both or it's a mixture or? Aanenson: We saw that as a mix opportunity with some transition, depending on how it was laid out...further after articulating in the comprehensive plan. How we see that being developed and under what conditions it would work to do one or the other or the mix. Yes, we can...but we think that the threshold there depending on,we're not sure what those buffer setbacks will be yet so we want some flexibility in there...bring that up to the next level. Mancino: When we get into ordinance, okay. Boy, any other questions from commissioners at this point? Peterson: Just one more Kate. What's up there now, the 2000 land use plan? Has that changed at all since the original packet you gave us? Aanenson: There's just was some clarity from the one that you see. I did make some corrections from the meetings. The area that was shown, the larger area that's just wooded that we can't, 6 Planning Commission Meeting- November 20, 1996 unless we're prepared to buy it today. There's a couple of those areas. The office area around the 212 interchange was proposed to follow it's property line. This is being done, drafted somewhere else so it's hard sometimes to communicate all this over the phone. So as we fine tune it, this is where we believe it is. I think there's just some minor changes. Peterson: Okay, thanks. Mancino: On the trails. When will the trails be developed? Is that as development occurs? Aanenson: That's generally how we propose to do it. As development occurs. Mancino: So we are not going to go into private property and develop a trail system? . Aanenson: Not at this time. We don't have the funds. Mancino: So as people. Any other questions? Could we please have a motion to open this for a public hearing and a second? Peterson moved, Conrad seconded to open the public hearing. The public hearing was open. Mancino: This is open for a public hearing. Please come in front of the Planning Commission. Come up to the podium. State your name and address and if you do own land in the area, could you kind of please point and show us where you do and we'd love to hear your comments. Michael Lamm: My name is Michael Lamm. I'm with Loucks and Associates, consulting firm. I'm here representing six major land owners, as Ms. Aanenson has referred to them as the Chanhassen Group. That's Frank Fox, Jeff Fox, Bruce Jeurrisen, Sever Peterson, Carol and Earl Holasek, and who's the sixth? Anyway, hopefully all of you have got the package that we did present to the Planning Commission, and I think it represents basically what you see here. What we were trying to suggest, in terms of this process, is to take a look at potential uses for this property, it's almost 500 acres. The idea that we're suggesting, at least with the property owners that this could be a,we're calling it a mix of uses in the future. Obviously we don't know the timing of 212 so that we're suggesting what we had shown in our packet. If development here is proposed, this is a conceptual development which is exhibited through this handout you have, is proposed without the 212 alignment on it. We believe...we do understand that that's a very important corridor issue and that the concentration of a mix of uses here seems to be a very appropriate for future development. Some people might be of the opinion that this type of development cannot occur unless 212 is built and that may possibly be the case. The only thing we'd like to suggest is that, to take the approach that you do need to look at this in a little more detail as we have. The landowners do support the watershed base. The planning process that you've engaged has influenced this plan that you're seeing, or exhibited to here. We do take some exception with assuming a uniform 300 foot corridor...Open space and recreational corridor should be a reflection of the existing conditions on site and I think the landowners certainly support that... The only other thing we'd like to mention is, and maybe it's a question 7 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 to you is, if you're suggesting that this be a mix of office and I guess medium density residential, that what we were suggesting in our proposal was that maybe those uses be pushed up a bit, and if you do assume that the interchange of Powers and 212 does occur, then that seems like a more likely opportunity and location for a mix of uses. Certainly uses that could be transit friendly or pedestrian friendly here. The corridor,the Bluff Creek corridor. Primary and secondary corridors obviously offer edges and very defined edges to some future potential development. What we're suggesting is maybe that some of this higher density or higher intensity use be pushed up more towards the interchange,and that's the exhibit I think you've got there. Exhibit 3 or 4 that suggests our proposed land. Other than that I don't have any other questions. If you have any questions, and maybe you might want to address that Kate. Exactly why this is in the location that it is. Aanenson: I think that we discussed it in a previous work session as far as that being in the middle of the interchange. That you would be, and then we also talked about under our current PUD, that it does allow for 25%of mixed and other uses so we believe that...and that's something that we'll be certainly looking at. As this next layer or next evolution of an ordinance. Of how we...believe there will be some flexibility there. Mancino: So you're saying that where, and I'm looking at your Figure 4 Michael,and I'm also looking at what staff has suggested. In some of these areas where you have residential low density, if it were a PUD. If it came in a PUD, 25%of that land could be also commercial. Michael Lamm: What we're suggesting in that exhibit was that the purple area there you see sort of has a rectangle, yes. Would be,would allow a mix of uses in that big area. Mancino: And you're bringing in office industrial and medium density. Michael Lamm: Yes. Essentially looking at this mix as the staff had proposed here and here, and allowing that to be more centrally located in the property ownerships that we're representing. Mancino: Going up a little higher,okay. Michael Lamm: Right. Which would correspond with the proposed alignment of the ingress and egress ramp system so. You're going to get more out of the watershed corridor,the Bluff Creek corridor,and away from Pioneer Trail. Mancino: And you're also introducing more uses. Michael Lamm: Yes. Mancino: In a contained area. I mean not only are you,because you've brought industrial where staff has suggested just combining office and residential medium density. 8 Planning Commission Meeting- November 20, 1996 Michael Lamm: Well in terms of, maybe in terms of the proposed land use, this suggestion here was a mix of uses but in our development, conceptual development plan, Exhibit 2, we were suggesting mostly office, a mix of densities with residential and some supporting commercial. Mancino: Okay, good. Thank you. Any other questions? At this time for Mr. Lamm. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to come up and make comments. Ask questions or just give us your viewpoint. Please. Jeff Dypwick: I'm Jeff Dypwick. I've got about 13 acres just southeast of where Halla Nursery's property is off of TH 101. Mancino: Jeff, can you show us on the map. Jeff Dypwick: My address is 10300 Great Plains Boulevard. Let's see. Mancino: Maybe we'll have to help orient you. Jeff Dypwick: Yeah, my piece is right in here. Mancino: Your piece is right there, okay. And do you have a home there right now? Jeff Dypwick: Yes. And I've discussed it with Kate and I'm fine as far as the density proposed and everything. The one concern I have is the possible setbacks from the bluff itself. I understand it's 30 feet right now, and that's fine but if it gets any farther than that, my property would be undevelopable. And because of section land and so forth, it's just the way it's laid out. And basically everything else around there probably would be too. If you go around, the way this is laid out, with the bluff here and mine, that's just the way Mother Nature laid it out. So I'm just concerned that you know, if they made it more than 30 feet. Mancino: We're not proposing to at this time. Jeff Dypwick: No, I understand that. I'm just expressing a concern as the process goes along. Mancino: Okay, good. Thank you. Please come forward. Conrad Fiskness: I'm Conrad Fiskness. I reside at 8033 Cheyenne Avenue here in Chanhassen. I also represent this area in the Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District, and you did raise some questions earlier that I might be able to provide a little bit of further explanation on. And if you've got an overhead projector that's working, I whipped up a couple of slides at work today, just in anticipation of such a question that's being asked might arise. Mancino: Oh good. And we didn't even talk. Conrad Fiskness: No, we didn't. The watershed district is very interested in this project. In fact it's been on our agenda for the last 6 years, and it's been a personal goal of mine while I've been 9 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 on the Board. This is one of the things that we were hoping that we could get accomplished so we're very pleased that Chanhassen has.gotten to this point. For anything to happen with the watershed involvement, it has to be included in the 509 plan. If there's a project that comes up that isn't included in that overall 509, which is a legislative designation for metro area water resource planning. If it isn't included in there, we really aren't authorized to spend money, and until we had an approved plan, we weren't, you weren't able to get any money from us to spend either, as this city well knows. While we did get our 509 plan approved here in August, about August 25th or 26th, and we are actually the first district to get a second generation plan approved. So we are now full steam ahead. And so I just would like to show a couple slides here that give a little bit of an explanation and further elucidate on what Phil said with regards to how this funding works. It is totally feasible. I mean those numbers really aren't any problem I guess would be a fair way to say it. But it isn't funding. We aren't giving anybody any gift at all. That isn't the way it works. What we do provide is the mechanism by which the funds can be raised and the advantage of this is that it's spread over the whole watershed district. Not just the Bluff Creek area or not even just Chanhassen. It's over the whole 60 some square miles that represents Riley- Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District. And as such, there's a rather incredibly large tax base that becomes involved and the burden on any one individual is very, very small. So I'll show these two slides. Mancino: So are you saying this is not going to increase my taxes? Conrad Fiskness: Not so that you'll notice. I would like to have had, and I asked for the numbers but we're having trouble getting the new numbers for '97 out of Carver County. We've got them for Hennepin County and we're going to, I hope to be able to bring a slide that will show what impact our whole budget has on a resident, on a typical size house, and what this project might have. But it is something under$10.00 per, say$100,000.00 value house. And I don't know how far under$10.00 but, and that's the whole watershed thing too. Not just this. It's, I just don't know what the numbers are going to be. Mancino: So we are already paying into this? Conrad Fiskness: No, not on this project. But you are paying on others. Mancino: We're paying on others that are being used in other communities. Conrad Fiskness: ...that are ending so. Mancino: So they'll be ending so it may not increase. It's our turn, okay. So we're getting, we're receiving what we've already paid in kind of. Could be. Conrad Fiskness: Well you might say you helped Minnetonka and you helped Eden Prairie so now it's Chanhassen's turn. What this is called is a Basic Water Management Project. It's established by the legislature. It's a Chapter 103B is what authorizes it, and the way that this works is any project that is, any of the activities that are water resource related, and that's either water quality or water quantity, this project can fund that 100%. If you want to create a lake out 10 Planning Commission Meeting -November 20, 1996 there somewhere along Bluff Creek, if that's what this project is going to be, the entire cost of that would come under this basic water management project. Related items like trails, recreational and educational facilities. Any amenity that is related to that water resource and to this project, can be funded 50%of the cost. So if you come up with a million dollars worth of trails, educational interpretative center, whatever,this can fund$500,000.00 of that money. Of that set. Then if there's any land acquisition, so long as it's associated with the project, that we'll cover 25% of that cost. So if there was a million dollars worth of land to be purchased, this project could see $250,000.00 of that. And then you can use your other sources of funding to make up those differences. And the project,the most recent one we have going, and I think it might be the only one that's going off because it's already been paid off but the Purgatory Creek recreation area, which is right behind the Flagship. That area. That's an Eden Prairie project that has been approved about 3 years ago. That started out as a$4.3 million project. And I can't remember the number of years that it was estimated at that time it would take to pay off. This can take up to 15 years. When a levy like this is put in place, you can go 15 years and so whatever, and there's a percentage, a certain levy limit that can be done each year which actually it's a pretty substantial amount of money that can be generated over 15 years. And so using the Eden Prairie project as an example, they came in with the original $4.3. We did kind of a nice slide out show to kind of briefly summarize the steps. But it was approved. The project was ordered. We started collecting the revenue. Then this spring about April, no maybe March or even February, I can't remember exactly, they said that the project has been rescoped. It's been down scaled a little bit. They eliminated some costs and they said it will now be $3.1 million. We spent about 2 minutes in discussion and voted to approve the reduction. And that's it. When we reached the $3.1, they levy...over and it will be done. What has happened is that because there's been an awful lot of planning required in getting that project going. We started collecting the funds 2 or 3 years ago. We have got, being held in escrow for that project now just right around $1 million and we have spent, I don't know, maybe $100,000.00-$200,000.00 in addition to that. But the concept is that if you do the work and a lot of it's done up front and you don't have the money yet, you sell the bonds on the basis of the income that can be generated by this levy. Well we haven't had to sell any bonds. In fact we haven't had to sell any bonds on any of the few projects because we start collecting the revenue right away and by the time that we actually start getting the expenditures, the money is in the bank. And so that cuts out a lot of interest costs and rather than paying interest,we are drawing interest on the fund. So it's a very powerful tool that the legislature created and I guess then the next thing to do would be to just walk you through the steps that, and this. I'm sure you might actually cringe seeing me put this up here because I might have left something out and I did it in kind of a hurry this afternoon but just some of the basic elements that, going through the previous ones that I've been through. You've got a project. The City will petition the Watershed for the project. The Board will then order a feasibility study. There will be some costs involved with the generating of that feasibility study but we are required by law to do that. We have to do that. The other stipulation with that is, if the project should happen to not be ordered, the City would have to pick up the cost. If it's a project that turns out to be not feasible, the City would have to pick up the cost of that feasibility study. That is the... of the Watershed. That keeps people from just throwing in projects wily nily and hoping that one of them might fly. ...and the record is kept of the proceedings. There's a period of time in which the record is held open so written comments can be submitted by the public for a period of time. Then if the project is approved, the project is 11 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 then ordered. And the district will prepare the necessary papers and submit it to the counties and for the next taxing year,the established levy will be started to be collected. And that's basically it. As far as the management of the project, it's been done in any one of a number of ways. The first project was the opening of the channel on Purgatory Creek that ran from just north of Highway 7 down past Excelsior Boulevard. If anybody's a long time resident here and remembers the old aquarium shop that used to be on Excelsior Boulevard. That whole stream went, that always used to be underground, and where Bluff Creek ran through there and that was, the first project was fairly small and most of the work that was done in conjunction with the Minnetonka work that they were doing up there now, or that east quadrant of 7 Hi, TH 101 area. The second project was creating a watershed you might say of four landlocked lakes in Eden Prairie. And the City of Eden Prairie petitioned us, some people may recall that a few years ago Round Lake was overflowing it's banks and they were pumping water and there was water being pumped along Highway 4 there, and it was running along the road. It's a landlocked lake. Round Lake's landlocked. Mitchell is landlocked. Red Rock is landlocked and McCoy is landlocked. And so after some discussion, Eden Prairie petitioned the district to create a chain of lakes. We went through the process. It was about a $700,000.00 project, and that's been working now, I think it took us 2 and 3/4 years, or 3 years. Something like that to pay off that $700,000.00. It didn't take long and that was 10 years ago and the tax base has grown rather substantially out here since then. The third project is the one I just had mentioned earlier, and that's the one in Eden Prairie behind Flagship so I guess my encouragement to the City is, of course to follow through because we are in a contract that requires, as going through this process, that when it's all done, the Watershed District was interested enough to follow up on your exchange with Mr. Elkin. There is a contract that says you are going to come to us and ask for money. Mancino: So you're ready? Conrad Fiskness: We're ready. In fact we're waiting. And the other thing is that, anything that fits into those three categories that I said, showed you there, I would encourage you to put them in because if you come along later and said we should have done this, you got to go through this whole process all over again. And I don't think you really want to do that. So be inclusive, and obviously good common sense. I think that don't throw in any fluff or anything in there but do include anything that the project has, or the task force has identified as being a worth while effort. Put it in there. And because you've got 15 years to work on this thing and chances are the dollar volume that you've got in there is going to come through in an awful lot less than 15 years with the maximum number of dollars that I see. What you have there would be covered in 3, 4, at the absolute most 5 but I think that you can, $1 million will probably be generated in 2 years. And even so, the tax burden will be rather minimal. We're about the smallest line item on the entire tax bill. So we're all, not quite out of sight but almost. If there are any questions I guess I'd be happy to entertain them. Mancino: Are there any questions from commissioners at this point? Okay. Anyone from. Audience: So you want us to ask you for money so you can raise our taxes...give us money back. 12 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Conrad Fiskness: That's kind of what it sounds like. Audience: That's what it is. Conrad Fiskness: That's what it sounds like but I guess I would encourage you to think about the fact that the residents of this area have supported three projects like this in other communities. My guess is the tax base of Chanhassen, as it's represented in our whole district, probably represents about 20%and so in effect what you're doing is that every 25 cent piece that you're throwing into the pot, someone else is throwing in triple. And it's Chanhassen's due frankly within the district. This area out here has supported a lot of the activities that have gone on obviously in the preceding years because development occurs, as the concentric rings of development enlarge coming out from the city center and that period of time has now reached Chanhassen. The district was very concerned that development pressures would get that Bluff Creek area before either the City or the district or whatever entity involved was, really thought things through and had a prepared plan. This similar type of project was done in Eden Prairie in about 1973 or 4. We went through, did the whole study. Cooperated with...and Eden Prairie and quite frankly we really have not had any major problems with developers or other entities. They all understood. They saw the plan. It was laid out. Developers knew and understood what was involved. They worked around it. They donated the land according to whatever ordinances the various municipalities had for the preservation of the very sensitive areas. And when it was all done, and a lot of the Bluff Creek area is now done, we achieve the goals that were set up for development without anybody having any hassles. We didn't really wind up in court fighting with anybody and so yeah, you might pay a little bit in taxes now but if you go back and retrofit 20 years from now to correct some problems, it will be a lot more than any numbers...here today. Joyce: Conrad, excuse me. Does that mean that when this is levied, when we start a project like this, it would be involved in the whole watershed district would be levied as well? For instance Eden Prairie would. Conrad Fiskness: The entire district. That's the power of this thing. It's that it is spread over, I don't know, the last number I heard was $150 million tax base in this area, and I think it's maybe double that by now. And so it really brings a lot of tax base to bear on the thing and that's why it doesn't amount to much, for any one individual. Joyce: That's what I mean. It's being allocated among not just us but. Conrad Fiskness: The entire district. And that is the nature of Chapter 103B. Mancino: Okay. Conrad, I think you have another question. Audience: Yes, as these other areas have been completed, are you saying that the levies disappeared and...will be re-levied. Conrad Fiskness: No,when a project is done, it's done. 13 Planning Commission Meeting -November 20, 1996 Audience: So in fact the taxes should go down when those projects quit. Being brought back to where they are... Conrad Fiskness: That's about right. Obviously the Minnetonka one only lasted a year or so. The chain of lakes lasted...years. That ended at least 3 or 4 years ago. We've been working on the Eden Prairie recreation area. We've been levying for I think it's 3 years and we've got at least a third of that done so that $4 million project will run probably another 6 years. 5 years. Audience: So the taxes will go up before they go down? Because those levies aren't disappearing for those other projects. They're not done yet? Conrad Fiskness: No. The only thing that is happening is instead of at the time they were started, initiated, there was a given amount of tax base. Now that tax, in the 3 years since that was done, there's probably a 30% to 40% increase in the tax base so it's spread over a wider base so the impact is actually less year by year as it goes along. If this project for example were to be ordered in '97, it would probably hit with the '98 tax year. And it's conceivable that the, depending on how large it is, it might go over... Audience: Is the city responsible for maintenance, upkeep, after the initial project's done or is the metropolitan water district? Conrad Fiskness: No, no. It'd be the City. Any projects that are done are City. In fact we provide the tools and mechanism for the planning and the funding. We can be involved with either letting the bids. That's what we did in the chain of lakes project. We actually did the specs. We let the bids. We supervised the construction. That doesn't have to be, that's what Eden Prairie wanted. They wanted us to do the turn key job. The Eden Prairie recreation area, that will be that way. We will maybe do parts of it. For example a new outlet structure had to be, stabilizing the level of that area had to be put in and that was done here within the last year or so and they asked us to manage that construction project. But they are managing the whole project. The only requirement that will be involved is that the watershed, if there's a management committee or a management unit in the City, overseeing it, that we would have a technical person that could be included in that because we are required by law to ensure that the taxpayer's money is being properly spent. Audience: As you're talking to us here, what other areas are you talking to that are levies monies...all of us? Conrad Fiskness: We know of none. Audience: What's your worst case scenario? Say for example you took your millions and put it towards a school or something, as compared to watershed. I don't see the problem with lakes overflowing and everything with this watershed. What is so important? I mean what do you see the worst case happening down the road? 14 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Conrad Fiskness: What would happen to this area if nothing was done? Audience: Right, on the watershed. Conrad Fiskness: Well you have a very, very sensitive area in the lower reach especially. If you, if nothing was done and the area would be all built up with impervious surfaces, parking lots, roofs, streets, whatever, the peak flow discharges that would hit that creek during heavy rainfall events would grow rather significantly and you would see a very significant increase, in my opinion at least, and we've got engineers here that could comment to that,but in my opinion without proper planning, we've got very sensitive slopes. You've already got areas there that are slipping away. You would see a lot of degradation of the stream bed itself. You would see erosion taking place. Water quality would drop dramatically. We are under an obligation with this contractual being put together by the Metropolitan Council about 10 years ago. We are required by law to reduce the sediment load into the Minnesota River by 40%or 50%by, we must just about be there. And so that was the outgrowth of an lawsuit by Wisconsin against Minnesota for dumping all this stuff into the Minnesota River which runs into the Mississippi and that was, that contract was the basis on which the Blue Lake Sanitary Sewer System, that plant down there was allowed, they got their permit. So theoretically that permit that the, I mean this is a rather long chain of things which... Mancino: Could happen. Ismael, is there anything else you'd like to add to that? What could happen if we leave it. Ismael Martinez: Yes. Ismael Martinez. I work with Bonestroo and Associates. I was the project manager for the Bluff Creek watershed. And the only thing I can add to that is that...efforts to control peak flows and even try to mimic existing conditions after...conditions. The reality of it is, we are increasing the amount of volume of water that eventually reaches the Bluff Creek. In this case when we did a preliminary or the initial field work we noticed that the Bluff Creek has already experienced a lot of erosion and a lot of problems with the steep slopes. And right now the amount of development that the watershed has experienced, in our estimate are around 50%. So the areas that are sensitive, if you wouldn't do some of these projects or some of the things that are identified in the plan, you will end up spending a lot of money just stabilizing the banks because you can...waters coming down rushing at very high velocities erodes the banks. ...the banks of the stream would get widened and widened and eventually would have to be so... setback of 30 feet,then somebody will eventually...eventually your house would be pretty much sitting on a cliff because you'd have... So definitely that area is very important. And you would end up spending a lot more money. Audience: In relation also to that, sometimes development can be a positive factor? Because when you take agricultural and that runoff, and that will cause erosion for development. I know I built my house on, right before you passed the Bluff Creek ordinance and I stabilized my whole bank with drain tile as a responsible citizen. I have 120 acres and I have put in prairie grasses and pastures to stop it and I think we have to give some credit to the citizens that we care about it too and to allow somebody to come in and spend more tax dollars to do it their way is an infringement and now let's restrict them from what they can do and not do on their land, is kind 15 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 of a dog chasing it's tail. And that's why I think that sometimes you really have to be, I guess where I'm coming from too is that I have a process of even trying to sell some of my land and there's reputations in dealing with for example the City that, even though I bought a track of land, developers don't want to come in because of all the restrictions already in place, and all of a sudden on top of,on top of, it's like holy moly. Right now we can't come close to it anyway and that's,you know I'm not saying this out of frustration but I think that you know, where we're looking at all the...and I saw in the reports all the clarity in the water and I guess it's called fishery,where it's runoff. And that's where, I think there's an illusion that there's this beautiful aquatic system out there in these swamps that run into creeks that run into a river and that's why you know it's like we're protecting something sacred out there it's, I heard what you're saying about the bluffs but if the watershed was spending this money for all the ponding, is it that big of an issue. Or is it the trails that we want and stopping development. Ismael Martinez: Well...very good base management practices that would minimize the impact of the conservation from agricultural practices to urban practices. And the reality is, it would be very tough to think that it's possible to...single family development where everybody would do a little bit to reduce... We cannot just assume that we can...and even some of those steep slopes we've been able to sort of berm around the property boundaries and so forth to be able to...some of the water so we have to come up with some alternatives that are applied to the entire watershed. Definitely there are some friendly designs I believe...to credit some of the developers who are coming up with some of these, let's say, I wouldn't say friendly designs but more... this pollution problem. ...primarily those improvements that have been identified in the plan is just to maintain the stability of the stream and the existing conditions so we're not going... Mancino: Thank you. Anybody else wishing to come. Conrad Fiskness: I'd just like to add one comment. I don't want to give the impression we're encouraging wily nily spending, because we're really a pretty conservative group. But by the same token this is kind of the one chance that you've got and so figure out what is, when you come to us, know what's important and what's needed because we are committed to try to help and make it happen. Mancino: Thank you. Anyone else wishing to come in front of the Planning Commission? Give your comments. Questions. Yes. State your name and address please. Erik Roth: Yes, my name is Erik Roth and I live in Minneapolis at 225 West 15th Street,by Loring Park and I grew up in Deephaven. I've never lived in Chanhassen but I've been a frequenter of Bluff Creek since 1961. I've been interested in preserving it and I'm not exactly sure where I should begin with some remarks here but one of the concerns I have is that this effort not be considered purely an engineering point of view for water quality. Nor from an economic point of view, or for a...land values. But literally for a point of view whereby this system, and it literally is swamps flowing into creeks flowing into rivers, and I do believe it is sacred. But that we consider this system from a point of view of 50 to 70 years, 100 years from now when all of us will have lived a bountiful life and be resting in peace hopefully. But at that time if what we do now is not enacted on in the interest of this ecosystem, it will not be 16 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 economically possible if it is indeed at all feasible in any kind of a way to get back. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It should have been a long time ago frankly. However, we're at, we're poised now I believe,you're poised I should probably say since it's your decision to make and anyway, you have that chance to do something about it now. You should think of it as many ways as possible,and involve both developers as well as land owners who are doing the right thing by their property. To consider this in a greater way. Not just what does it mean for me. Would I have to pay an extra$10.00 every year in taxes or whatever it may be. This is something where the whole is much greater than some of the parts, and the burden is minuscule compared to anything that can be achieved. But truly think of it not in terms of pollution into the Minnesota River, although that's important. Or any one issue,but think of it literally in terms of the ecosystem. The wildlife. We have to, I believe exist together with a lot of other living things and our well being is not measured by how much we can either exploit or even enjoy. Simply these things have rights and we need to recognize that. I think this plan has a lot to say for that, and hopefully the decision you make will not be a political one in the sense of what will your constituents say immediately. But think about what the next generation will say... Thank you. Mancino: Thank you. Angie Wanless: My name is Angie Wanless. I live at 13471 Cambridge Lane in Eden Prairie. I spend probably over 200 days of my time at Bluff Creek Elementary. I'm a 5th grade teacher there and I teach mostly science and math and my concern, my voice I guess comes from the students or for the students in that I've been a member on this committee in helping realize the vision, particularly in the area of education. And I guess foremost, obviously you have the leaf on the wall. Chanhassen is the sugar maple so it shows, it reflects you know a growing concern for our heritage. I remember when Chan didn't have a Target. We didn't have a Byerly's and how pristine and quiet it was. I'm not saying that it's bad but the original lands before farmers came in were wetland areas and huge populations of maples and other trees, and I guess I took the kids out last year, right out our front door of the school, and there's this narrow strip of land on the south side of Bluff Creek, and there were some forests and there hadn't been any leaves. It was in the spring. The leaves were still off the trees and we did a scavenger hunt. And the kids found animal pellets and fox tracks and mouse homes and bird nests and they were just in love with the whole activity and they were well behaved and excited about what they were learning and I found out that we were on private property so we don't use that lesson anymore. But you know, it would be nice to have different ecosystems for them to explore and right now outside of Bluff Creek there isn't much but you know groomed green space. We're working on growing a prairie in the front. If we extended our trail out, we could see the creek. Rarely do kids even know there's a creek there. The teachers that I work with, oh! There is a Bluff Creek. Yes, there really is a creek. They don't even know. So I take the kids to look at the creek, albeit small it is but, and there's a wetland area there and this corridor would at least provide some areas for us to explore and teach and learn as a community instead of being on somebody's private property. So I strongly advocate that you support the plan for future generations. Those that grew up with it and would continue to grow up with it and realize that suburbia and ecosystems can live together. Thanks. 17 Planning Commission Meeting- November 20, 1996 Mancino: Thank you. Anyone else? Last time. Anyone else wishing to address the Planning Commission. Whether it be on land use. Whether it be on policies, goals of the plan. Okay, seeing none. May I have a motion to close the public hearing and a second. Conrad moved,Joyce seconded to close the public hearing. The public hearing was closed. Mancino: Okay. Before we begin,are there any questions? Anybody, commissioners have any questions of any? Peterson: The only question I have was for you Kate. When you look at the proposed land use acreages and percentages. You go down there and we've got 0%is undevelopable. I'm having a hard time understanding that one. Aanenson: Well, the previous comprehensive plan...land that was left designated undevelopable. So right now we're... Peterson: Okay, understand. Joyce: I had a question for Phil. Phil, that project that's right,just east of the Bluff Creek Elementary. Is that a watershed project? Elkin: No. That's a city project. We were able to tie that into the wetland mitigation project as part of Coulter Boulevard. So that was, we were able to implement ideas of the Bluff Creek management plan by, they would, the growth project would have had to mitigate that area in some way. Joyce: But that won't be anything to do with the watershed? Will that be kind of a continuing type of, it's done now I guess, right? Elkin: Yeah, it's done. The projects are going to, as areas become developed, it's an opportunity for the City to do projects in order to use the management plan to influence how areas are developed. As a new development comes in,they'll have certain obligations as far as park and recreation can use...this area. That we would like to see more parking up for trails, picnic areas...to see the vision of this plan. The projects that we petitioned the watershed district may or may not be involved with other projects. Joyce: But that would be an example of a project that could have been involved in the watershed plan. I guess that's what I'm trying to allude to. Aanenson: It could have been. I guess we're out ahead of the watershed. Joyce: I understand that. But that's kind of a visible thing. I go down Highway 5. Elkin: Well down to the impact on the creek there, the wetland, we wouldn't have thought of mitigating... 18 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Mancino: Any other questions? Okay. Comments. Alison. Blackowiak: Well I'm coming into this process rather late in the game so I really don't know if I've got an awful lot to say. What I've read from city staff, I'm very impressed by the work that everybody has put into this. It seems like the vision and the plan itself is well thought out. I really did read everything. I didn't understand it all but I did read it all. I really feel that the plan that the city staff is proposing is a good one and I am really going to say I will hopefully approve it. I approve it and I don't have anything much to add because I did come in kind of late in the process. Mancino: Okay. No changes? Blackowiak: No. Mancino: Okay. Ladd. Conrad: I really like the Bluff Creek aspect of this and I think it is a great opportunity for Chanhassen. It's one of the things that most of the neighbors who move out here, we moved out here for the natural part of it and as you can see on the map it's all going. It's all, this is it. This is the last part of Chanhassen so this is the time to preserve those few natural amenities that are left. Bluff Creek is one of them. The return on investment I think is outstanding. Then when you combine the educational aspects and the recreational aspects and the habitat aspects, and the watershed aspects to it, it becomes for me really a no brainer. It's just something that has to happen. It's very important. In terms of the other parts of the zoning. What was recommended by the Chanhassen Group, I really don't have a whole lot of problems with what they presented. Zoning wise, or guide plan wise, whatever. I'm not sure how I resolve that. I guess I like how we're dealing with the large. I like the rest of, we don't have a great deal of flexibility. There's some just really logical things that I think staff has done that work. I'm comfortable with the 169 corridor and the residential aspect of this but again the only areas that I do have concerns. Not concerns with but maybe not totally confident is along the 212 corridor. In terms of how dense we would like to make that and I'm not committed to making it all residential. I think what I see on the staff's plans are fine but I guess what I'm saying is, I don't have a real problems with what the Chanhassen Group has proposed. That's all. Mancino: Okay. What is the 212 update? Not that it's changed at all but is there any new update? Okay. Conrad: Can I ask one of staff? Why didn't we all along the corridor, if it gets built,why didn't we make that a higher density corridor Kate? Aanenson: I believe that we can still accomplish that when we come back with the next tool. How we go through that and provide that with a PUD ordinance or there's some flexibility to say even with these certain preservations...I think again going back to the city's goal of having a downtown as our commercial corridor but I think as we've done with the Villages, there's 19 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 certainly an opportunity to get some support. This is going to be a major off, we see that as an opportunity. And I think what we want to handle that through is performance standards. So we want to put that in the next level of the ordinance. If these proponents can withstand...then we will be allowed this additional flexibility...support commercial or higher density. Conrad: Okay, I buy that. A vision that I had though, and this is no great revelation but you know we've done, people have done a real nice job with Highway 5. And we've got the standards there and we are putting in an integrated mix of stuff. And we can do the same thing here. And you can, what we've been talking about is integrating the community in all the different,what you find out is as you put zones into the community, you start separating things and you don't integrate things so it makes things further away from you and what we're probably trying to do is see if there is some form of integration and still keep people protected to the degree that they would like to be. But it just all of a sudden, it clicked that the 212 corridor should have the same kind of vision that we had on Highway 5 because that's a really well, nicely done, at least planned corridor right now. So I have a hard time taking our colors and seeing how that works in terms of implementation. Aanenson: Right, I agree with you. And again, this is the land use that we will implement into the performance standards because it's a zoning tool. Okay, we don't want to have strict commercial but we want it under our performance standards, and again because this is going to be different as far as the sensitivity to the land as having development and that's how we want to... And again, that will be the zoning tool. Conrad: That might be okay. The only other comment that I had, that other commissioners should think about which, and there's probably no solution so I'll bring up something that you really can't react to. As you look at our acreage, the commercial is way under everybody else in the world. Way, way, way under. So as we adopt this final zoning, land use plan, but it really relates to zoning. You can say it's guided but it's zoning. We are basically saying there's no, there's very little other commercial activity that's going to take place in Chanhassen. So any future use has to come back in and we have to retrofit what we have. Mancino: But we can still pick that up with a PUD. Aanenson: I'd be happy to respond to that. Conrad: Go ahead, yeah. Aanenson: We're comparing ourselves to regional draws. I think the City has taken a position that we're not going to be a regional draw. Audience: Excuse me, could you speak louder? Speak into the microphone please. Aanenson: Sure. That we don't see ourselves as a regional draw. The comparisons I gave you are Minnetonka, which has a more regional center. St. Louis Park,which has a more regional center. Again this city isn't, at this point hasn't seen itself as that regional draw that's why when 20 Planning Commission Meeting- November 20, 1996 you're comparing 2% to 4%, when you've got a large such as retail in Eden Prairie Center, it makes a big difference. And that's why ours is 2%as opposed to 4% or 5%. Conrad: It just points out Kate that we don't have any more commercial land to develop basically. There's very little left. And so if anybody has a feeling that we should have some, we're. Mancino: Speak now or forever hold your. Conrad: This is it. Aanenson: Well you can find it on the north side of the city. Rezone something else that's already closer to the current downtown commercial corridor. Conrad: And where would that be? Aanenson: We get requests all the time along Highway 5 adjacent to downtown. It doesn't mean it has to be in... Mancino: But we still could have neighborhood commercial in this area for servicing? Aanenson: Certainly. Right, and I guess what I'm saying is again, under the performance standards is where we... Conrad: Well we'll never have a development like we see going in, the Gayalans development that's on 394 and. Mancino: County Road 73. Conrad: And 73. We will not have that in Chanhassen. Whether we want that or not, that's a different deal but that's one of those well planned commercial developments that is something that, I'm not sure that the market would justify that kind of development out here. Mancino: It will on 394 but. Conrad: Yeah, we will not have that here because we don't have the acreage for that. Mancino: Bob. Skubic: I'd like to commend staff for taking the initiative and doing such a good job on all this. I think this was a real nice piece of work. And first off on the land use a little bit. I don't, neither staff nor the Chanhassen Group has made a big impression on me as to which plan is preferred. They seem to have much in common. We're talking about 57 acres out of a land use here of over 6,000 acres. We're not talking about a great deal of area that's a point of discussion here but I. 21 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Mancino: The Chanhassen Group's acreage is like 450 acres. Skubic: Okay, thank you. I don't see a great deal of difference, and maybe I haven't absorbed what was being said here but I don't see a great deal of difference between the plans. And I like the land use along the proposed 212 corridor and as Ladd was saying, it's not going to be a big commercial strip along there the way it's being laid out here. It's my impression that's not what we want. That would detract from downtown and that isn't part of our comprehensive plan so. And I can't argue with the Purgatory-Riley-Bluff Creek District matching the funds on that 3 to 1 ratio. I think that is hard to turn down. By-pass something like that. What I do wonder is what the additional costs are. As was pointed out, that might account for, well we are paying $10.00 for$10,000.00 per$100,000.00 house currently, and if we did not pursue this plan, that would probably be reduced because of the termination or expiration of some other plans. So I'm comfortable that, I understand what the financial obligation is there in terms of our taxes but I'm not sure what the additional obligations are for things like maintenance for the portions that aren't covered. I understand there are a number of other agencies that could be supportive of this but I'm not sure how much of it they would support and what the ultimate tax obligation might be for this. That's all. Mancino: Is that something that you want to find out,before it goes to the City Council? Or an estimate of that. Skubic: Yeah, I think that's something that probably Council would be interested in knowing more about and certainly the citizens here are interested. Mancino: That might be then part of the motion as it goes to City Council. Okay. Kevin. Joyce: There's obviously a need for a plan. Just for the direction here but also for the funding. We're coming on a deadline so I think as the other commissioners have stated it's, I think it's a win/win proposition to get this funding for this particular project. Tonight's meeting was good because I really get a better feel for the flexibility of the plan. I think we will be able to make some changes when needed. There are a lot of variables obviously in the future that we can't foresee right now and I feel a little more comfortable with that flexibility. Ladd brought up the performance standards and I think we talked about that a little in the work sessions and I think that's really important. I think it's a very good part of the plan. Obviously protects a sensitive area that we want to preserve and it's a plan that really looks forward. That's what the planning staff's all about and what our commission here is all about so I think it's truly a win/win proposition and I'm in favor of it. Mancino: Thank you. Craig. Peterson: For as much work, time and total effort as has been put into this plan, I wish I had more comments. I think it's applauding the individuals that have been involved in it but I don't, I think it's been presented well. Very well. And the lack of my comments certainly note that I think. As it relates to the land use issue, I don't think there's any substantial recommendations that I could make that would differ. I think as Kate mentioned earlier, I think we have an 22 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 opportunity through PUD's and the challenge is going to be that if the future zoning issues that will come before us. I'd also like to commend the residents and non-residents comments that we heard this evening. I think they were very salient to the issues at hand, and I'm in full support of proceeding and bringing it to Council as soon as possible. Mancino: Thank you. And my comments are that I was on the steering committee so I'll keep mine kind of short. I just think it's terrific that everyone that was involved in this plan, and that we did have the wherewithal to look at it now and plan out 40 to 50 years and so that we're not going to say back then I wish we would have done that 50 years from now. As it, in land use, my comments are that I would like to proceed with staff's recommendations. I do believe that the Chanhassen Group's conceptually is very much in accordance with staff's and when we get to the zoning and ordinance stage, I do like the idea, and we have been using lately, the mixed use concept and continue with that. So those are all my comments. May I have a motion please? Peterson: Madam Chair, I'd recommend that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the Bluff Creek Watershed Natural Resources Management Plan that was presented this evening with attachments 1 through 4. Mancino: Is there a second? Blackowiak: I second. Mancino: Any discussion? Bob, did you want to add a friendly amendment? Skubic: I'd like to. I would like staff to clarify what the per person costs would be for the plan, including... Mancino: So per capita? Fiscal impact. Skubic: Yes. Mancino: Okay. Is the friendly amendment accepted? Peterson: So noted. Mancino: Thank you. Peterson moved, Blackowiak seconded that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the Bluff Creek Watershed Natural Resources Management Plan, and direct staff to clarify the per capita fiscal impact of the plan. All voted in favor and the motion carried. Mancino: The motion carries and it goes in front of the City Council? Aanenson: December 9th . 23 Planning Commission Meeting- November 20, 1996 Mancino: December 9th. Thank you for coming tonight. OLD BUSINESS: Aanenson: I don't have old business but I have City Council update. Mancino: You know what we do have for old business is the housing goal update from last week. We never reviewed it. Can we? Aanenson: ...meet our goals and I just want to show you where we're at... About 60%multi- family. 30% single family detached. This year we've only done 10% to 15%multi-family. The rest are single family, although our building permits are down about 50%. What...is kind of projected what projects we've approved or will be coming on line next year and actually we'll probably swing the other way. Our permits will be up again next year. Probably up again about 50% and in addition to that we'll see, we've got Autumn Ridge on line. We've got North Bay, which will be meeting our housing goals and...so I just wanted you to see where we're at. We are still working on the...so just again, that's really just for your edification to kind of show you... Mancino: My only comment was that I still feel, which is I feel it's rather unrealistic to think that we're going to have affordable ownership at 50%as a goal. I mean we're at 37% now, and we're going to get to 50%? For the whole city? Aanenson: Look at what we're trying to do with the Villages and hopefully the southern end. Again we've got 15 years. Mancino: Okay. Joyce: What do you do with the comprehensive plan? Aanenson: Well, what we need to do is make our best... Joyce: No, I'm sorry. I was just saying when we revisit the comprehensive plan, is that going to tighten things up as far as what. Aanenson: Every year we have an opportunity, when we adopt those goals...but you're right, it's going to be an issue. I'm putting an article in the next packet on some other opportunities that some of...rental in the affordability range. A lot of the things, and again the Met Council... The senior housing project,just for your information, is fully rented. Mancino: And that's in advance. I mean that's like a year in advance of the projections. Their projections. Aanenson: Way in advance. So that's 65 units. 24 Planning Commission Meeting -November 20, 1996 Conrad: Has the City Council, Kate adopted the housing goals? Aanenson: Yes. Conrad: Because there's just no way we're going to get that, in my perspective. Aanenson: The 50%rental? Conrad: Yeah. In fact a lot of the numbers there, I'm just not sure about. It's like I don't have a strategy to accomplish that so, in my perspective we're playing a game. Aanenson: Well what I did is I went through. Conrad: Actually, I'm not committed to carrying that out. I guess that's really what it boils down to. Joyce: The Pioneer Press has a series this week, front page series on the Metropolitan Council. First part of the series was explaining communities like ours trying to get to these goals. A couple communities just throw up their arms and say we're doing the best we can but you can't, you know and what the Metropolitan Council's going to do as far as using the hammer to get them to do it, and they're saying we really, if it came to a lawsuit, you'd probably lose. If we do lose, the whole thing would go out the window so we probably wouldn't sue them in the first place. But it's an interesting article. Mancino: And some cities have opted out too. Aanenson: I guess what we're saying is we're trying. I mean realistic,we did not sign up for the goals that they projected us to be. We said there's no way we can meet those goals. What we did is we went through what have been the trends in the last few years. A pretty detailed analysis as far as thresholds and are we trying...effort to get to that point. That's,to me the objective that we're trying to get. Are we trying to get to that point? ...I think we demonstrated that we have. I hear words like there's not a commitment. We worked with Met Council... Conrad: It's like the numbers Kate. And I don't know what the community is that those numbers represent. They're numbers that you're feeling comfortable that will make them feel comfortable. Aanenson: No, no, no. Conrad: But I don't know what we're, I really don't know what we're doing on those numbers, to be real honest. I don't know that they're good. I don't know that they're bad. I don't know how we're going to implement that to make it happen. And if we did, I'm really foggy about the type of community that we end up with. 25 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Aanenson: Then I think we'd better do a better job in explaining that to you because those numbers are well founded... Conrad: That's what I'd like to do. Is go back and see how we got there and then see how we're going to carry it out because it should be more than our game of pacifying them. There should be some. Aanenson: I certainly didn't take that approach. I wouldn't put my, I wouldn't give my professional recommendation with that kind of approach. I want you to know that and I'm committed to that. When I told the Council these are numbers, that's my professional reputation. I wouldn't do something like that... Obviously there's some things we're going to have a harder time getting unless there's some additional funding but I think based on the density that we have, and the problems we found when someone comes in underneath the density. That's one of the things, if we've got something zoned and it comes underneath the density, and you brought this point up before. Then where do we replace it? Those are some of the issues that we're struggling with. But we do have high...Now we have opportunities to do some other things such as North Bay. I believe that there was some rationale behind it. Are we going to be able to achieve it? Yeah, there's market forces. This year we did more detached. Last year we did more attached. But we've got 15 years to get there. And I'm saying that we're trying to make our best... Mancino: It certainly keeps it to top of mind. Conrad: Well I'd like to, Madam Chair, I'd like to certainly take some time some evening to, and Kate has done that but I need to feel myself that they're numbers that make sense to me. And that I can see where we're going to go. And if I can't see where, most of this is low density, large lot as I look at that. Isn't it? Aanenson: Yeah. That was something that was approved prior to 1997 that we're not changing. We think we're getting... Conrad: So it's just, I see that and I tell you, then it's a quantum jump to look at the housing styles and say, boy we've got it made. Or we're doing it, so that's my problem and I think we should, as a commission, figure that out knowing what we're going to do. Aanenson: We have a work session in February. That'd be a great topic to take up... First meeting in February we'll have that a work session. I'd be happy to put that on. Conrad: Okay, good. Mancino: Any other old business? Okay, new business? Aanenson: Oh, I'm sorry. John's no longer with us...and we have advertised for a Planner I. Hopefully by the first of the year we'll have somebody... 26 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 NEW BUSINESS. Mancino: Okay. New business, I had suggested to Kate earlier this week to review the existing ordinances that we have on IO's, Industrial Office Parks, and where loading docks can go on the buildings. Especially those that are adjacent to single family. What's the distance and where they should go so we can address that a little bit in our ordinance. Aanenson: ...we did get that copy from Plymouth's that in a draft right now... It wouldn't work at Byerly's. It wouldn't work in the Villages. You couldn't have any loading docks. So if you're trying to do a mixed use, it doesn't work. But we are going to put it on for discussion. Some pros and cons and some other approaches we thought might make it work. So it's a good discussion item. Mancino: Good, good. And it could be closer. I know that Plymouth's is like 350 feet away. Yeah, it's down to getting an acoustics specialist to come in and say, how does it work closer. Plymouth just went through an ordinance revision because they were very concerned. In fact they put a moratorium on and I don't know what the particular business was, but they were coming in next to single family and they had loading docks abutting single family. Or that's what they wanted to do and the Plymouth City Council put a moratorium on it and then developed an ordinance as to where loading docks could go next to single family. And Roger Knutson, who is our City Attorney, worked with them on that. Aanenson: Yes, it's in a draft form. I think it's... Mancino: Good. And obviously that came up with the post office debacle that just happened. The other new business I brought up, and I don't know if anyone else has seen these but there is on Galpin and on Lake Lucy new little, I call them bus stop shelters that homeowners are putting up for kids. Very functional. Very great. You know the kids will have this little shed next to the road, and I don't know if they're in the right-of-way. They kind of look like it. But we could have a lot of those all along our streets and so I was just wondering if we should be looking at that. I think they're a good idea. They're functional. Help kids that are waiting outside when their homes are pretty far away from where the bus stops. But if any of you are out driving around,there is one on Galpin,just north of Crestview. And there's also one on Lake Lucy Road so you just get an idea of what I'm talking about. Peterson: Are they wood? Mancino: They're all wood. Joyce: It looks like a fish house. Mancino: That's true. They look like a fish house. So we might want to discuss that. Talk about what should be, if anything,we should do about that. Any other new business? Aanenson: I was just going to mention that on your next meeting... 27 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Skubic: The senior center is right over there? Mancino: You know nobody has gotten slips, at least I haven't gotten my slip on my house. You know what's the new assessed value so I don't know how they're going to do it December 4tn Aanenson: Carver County... Mancino: Has anybody else received theirs? Blackowiak: I live in Hennepin County too so I've gotten that one but not Carver. Mancino: They're supposed to be mailed on November 5th. Okay. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Peterson moved to note the Minutes of the Planning Commission meeting dated November 6, 1996 as presented. CITY COUNCIL UPDATE: Aanenson: Thank you. The tower ordinance, antenna and towers, that one was given it's second reading of approval. We have been speaking to quite a few people about the applications...so I suspect within the next couple months you're going to see... There's one or two that we thought were going to go...but the lease structures didn't work out so... The other update was the post office. Just to let you know where we are. We did send a letter to the post office. We had the City Attorney draft...not compliance with the EA document. A letter was sent from the Mayor to the Congressional delegation. A new landscaping plan has been worked out. Trying to concurrence now with the neighbors and the post office. And then also we did get information from the post office...impacts of the post office and the loading docks to make sure that we've got a plan that matches. So hopefully we'll have all that information this week so we're moving along... Peterson: The building is still progressing I assume? Aanenson: To the best of my knowledge it is. Mancino: They said they would not stop work. Aanenson: They will not stop, that's the bottom line...so there was dirt stockpiled on, there was a stockpile and they moved it onto the buffer area so they've got that in place for the berm. We're just trying to work out what the appropriate landscaping and height of the berm to hopefully address the noise issue... 28 Planning Commission Meeting -November 20, 1996 Conrad: The paper said that the post office wasn't really going to start operation at 3:00 a.m. Like it was going to be normal day. Aanenson: Well the EA that we received, that we only commented on the architectural part because the hours they gave us...7:00 to 5:00. 6:00 to 5:00 for trucks so what we were trying to address is, of the 60 vehicles that would be coming in and out during the day...Sharmin was working with the architect and unbeknownst to us, that they'd be coming in at night with trucks... Mancino: In fact we would not have known it if it had not been at the neighborhood meeting that the question was asked. Aanenson: ... the one that BRW wrote. Mancino: For them. That they hired to do it. So the EA document had misinformation in it so that if you were staff and read the EA document,you would have thought that nothing was going to start until 7:00 in the morning, when in fact the operations person answered that question. Oh no, we start at 3:00 in the morning having our semi's come in. And they come in at 3:00, 3:30, 4:00, 4:30. Conrad: Can you really mitigate the sound Kate? Aanenson: That's what we're hoping that...most effective landscaping... Conrad: What's the distance? Aanenson: Between the loading docks and the homes? Conrad: Yeah. Aanenson: The back of the homes are anywhere up to 200 feet. Conrad: That's still not very much. So that back-up beep is just going to be. Aanenson: Well that was the other issue that they were saying. That those semi's... Blackowiak: You know, it's not the back-up beep. It's the fact that these truckers, they are not going to turn their engines off. Those diesels run constantly. Mancino: And air brakes. Blackowiak: You know, and it's not just the back beep. So they have a back-up beep. I mean that's just minor in my mind. It's the constant running of the engine and what's to stop them, or the first load at 3:00 or something, what's to stop them from getting there at say 1:00? They're early. They go and sit there. I mean it's just. 29 Planning Commission Meeting-November 20, 1996 Conrad: It's just a horrendous situation. Yeah, I tell you I wouldn't want to be a neighbor. Mancino: Well and the sound, the acoustical specialist did say, I mean you know, that the sound will bounce. So you may not be able to construct a berm and a wall high enough so that it just won't go right over. Or it might go over and maybe not hit the first row of houses,but maybe even the second. But I think it's also good when we widen streets in the city, etc., to have someone like that to review what we can do because you know we put landscaping up and berming up, and it feels good. We don't really know if it's working at all and especially when it's by residential, I think it's important to have that reviewed as part of the process. Because maybe if we put the berm a foot higher, it would have made a difference. I don't know. Anyway. Any other City Council update? Ongoing items. ONGOING ITEMS: Aanenson: I was just going to mention that Americinn, things are, as of about 5:00 tonight...as far as some changes that they were willing to accept so we think we're moving in the right direction. And Sharmin's working really hard to push them and we're pretty excited about the direction they're going...when it comes back. And then also you have two other items on the 4th Lotus Lawn& Garden. Review of a site plan. And then Jill's been working with the Environmental Commission on an ordinance regarding chemical...storm water ponds. A lot of people want to treat the ponds. So those three items will be on for that meeting. OPEN DISCUSSION: Blackowiak: I have one quick request. Kate, when I was there today I didn't, I forgot to take a copy of next years schedule. Do we have some, at least for the first couple of months an idea of the work sessions and what is...beyond the regular meetings. Aanenson: ...make you copies. Mancino: Okay. We have advertised for a vacancy for Planning Commission and when will we be doing interviews? Aanenson: We probably won't be able to do one until the first meeting in January. Joyce: When are you, is it an installation when you become Mayor? Conrad: Yeah, when are you installed? Joyce: Is that the term? I don't know. That's the right term isn't it? Mancino: Christened. Aanenson: I believe it's the first meeting in January. January 13th 30 Planning Commission Meeting- November 20, 1996 Peterson: That's not a Friday is it? Mancino: And we also, next time on the Board, I think we should elect a new Chair and Vice Chair and have that going into start up right away. So everybody can be thinking about that for the 4th of December. Any other discussion items? Okay with that, a motion to adjourn. Conrad moved,Joyce seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried. The meeting was adjourned at 9:20 p.m. Submitted by Kate Aanenson Planning Director Prepared by Nann Opheim • 31