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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
SEPTEMBER 25, 1985
4It Chairman Ryan called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Jim Thompson, Steven Emmings, Robert Siegel, Bill Ryan, Ladd
Conrad and Howard Noziska.
MEMBERS ABSENT
Mike Thompson
STAFF PRESENT
Barbara Dacy, City Planner and Vicki Churchill, Secretary.
PUBLIC HEARING
Subdivision Request #85-13 for a Preliminary Plat Dividing 20
Acres into a 5 acre and a 15 acre parcel on property zoned R-l,
Single Family Residential, located on the north side of Lotus
Lake, south of and adjacent to pleasant View Road, City of
Chanhassen, applicant.
Public Present
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Al and Carol Lenhart
6575 Pleasant View Road
Dacy stated that on August 5 1985, the City Council approved the
preliminary and final development plan for the South Lotus Lake
Planned Unit Development which created a 4.89 acre parcel for a
neighborhood park and a public boat access. She stated that
as part of the process to establish the park and boat access at
the South Lotus Lake location, the city agreed to swap with Mr.
Bloomberg a parcel of land equal in acreage from the City's land
on the north side of Lotus Lake. She stated that the city is
processing this application to transfer ownership of the
northerly 5 acres of the subject site in compliance with the land
swap agreement. She explained that the 20 acre subject parcel
was the original site for the proposed boat access; however, the
South Lotus Lake location was chosen as the boat access site.
She stated that as proposed, the subdivision would create 15
acres to be retained by the City of Chanhassen for park uses.
She noted that the proposed subdivision not only creates the two
parcels but also provides for the extension of Fox Hollow Drive
from the Fox Hollow development west to Pleasant View Road and
extending the right-of-way will allow public street access and
frontage for both lots.
J. Thompson moved, seconded by Siegel, to close the public hearing.
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J. Thompson moved, seconed by Emmings, to recommend approval of
Subdivision 85-14 for the North Lotus Lake addition based on the
preliminary plat stamped "Received September 4, 1985". All voted
in favor and the motion carried.
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PUBLIC HEARING
Planned Residential Development #84-2 Creating Four Lots Containing
Multi Ie Residential Units on Pro ert Zoned R-la, A ricultural
Residence, located on pine Circle Mile North of Tanadoona Drive,
West of and Adjacent to Hwy. 41, Gary Kirt, applicant
Public Present
Mary Sapa
Camp Administrator - Camp Tanadoona
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Dacy stated that the intent of the applicant's request for a
Planned Unit Development with rezoning to P-l is to eliminate the
non-conforming status of the existing structures. She noted that
the p-l District not only allows single family dwellings as a
permitted use, but also allows two family and multiple family
structures as a permitted use. She explained that a homeowner's
association will be formed to maintain the private drive and
regulate other matters concerning the subdivision. She noted
that platting the property will also allow the sale of individual
lots and structures as in other subdivisions. She stated that no
additional development is proposed. She stated that by approving
the proposed request, the plat will eliminate a lengthy metes and
bounds legal description; the non-conforming status of existing
structures will be removed; and each structure will be indivi-
dually owned and maintained.
Mary Sapa of Camp Fire Girls and Boys, stated that they were con-
cerned that eventually this property would be made into even
smaller parcels and also sewer and water will come through and
they will be forced out of the area by increasing property
values.
Dacy stated that the site is located well out of the Urban
Service Area. She stated that this site and the Tanadoona Camp
Fire Girls site are located to the south of it. She stated that
if and when sewer service would be made available, it would be
after the year 2000 and even after then it is doubtful because
the City's sewer capacity is regulated by the Metropolitan Waste
Control Commission and the Metropolitan Council. She stated that
as far as further subdivision into smaller lots. She stated that
2~ acres is the minimum lot size in that area.
J. Thompson moved, seconded by Emmings, to close the public
hearing. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
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J. Thompson stated that it was a solution to "cleaning up" the
situation.
Conrad asked about justifications for approving this request and
its implications for future PUD's.
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Dacy stated that the Zoning Ordinance was established after these
structures were built. She stated that the lengthy legal
description will be eliminated, the non-conforming status of
these structures will be removed, and each structure would be
maintained better because of individual ownership. She stated
that this is an existing situation which the city had no control
over when the buildings were constructed.
Noziska felt that a condition should be placed in the recommen-
dation that stated that there will be no increase in density.
Emmings moved, seconded by J. Thompson, that the Planning
Commission recommends approval of Preliminary and Final
Development Plan request #84-2 for Ches Mar Farms including
rezoning to P-l, Planned Residential Development based on the
preliminary plat stamped "Received September 4, 1985" with the
following conditions:
1. A homeowner's association maintain Outlot A;
2. There should be no increased density.
All voted in favor and the motion carried.
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Site Plan Review #85-7 for a 15,000 Square Foot
Manufacturing/Warehouse Facility on Property Zoned P-4, Planned
Industrial Development District and Located in the Southwest
Corner of the Hwy. 5 and Park Drive Intersection, LSR Properties,
applicant
Dacy stated that the applicant is requesting site plan approval
for Phase I construction of a 15,000 square foot production/storage
and office building for Lane Envelopes. She stated that the pro-
posed site is located at the southwest corner of Park Drive and
Highway 5. She stated that the proposed driveways will be from
Park Drive and Park Court and that there is adequate separation
from the intersections. She stated that the site plan provides
30 parking spaces for Phase I which is based on the ordinance
requirement of one space for each employee on the major shift.
She stated that the applicant is proposing a two foot berm along
the perimeter of the parking areas adjacent to the road right-of-
ways. She also noted that along the top of the berms, the appli-
cant is proposing six Green Ash trees complimented by eight 5
foot Austrian pine trees which should provide adequate screening
of the parking activities. She noted that the elevation of the
area adjacent to the loading dock will rise two to four feet from
the pavement of the loading area. She noted that the combination
of the fast growing vegetation and the rise in topography will
adequately screen loading activities. She also noted that all
areas of the site are designated for sodding except for the area
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for the future addition and the future parking area and staff
is recommending however that the future parking area be sodded as
it is the drainage area for the first phase of parking.
Noziska asked about the building height and elevation.
Nick Ruehl, from LSR Properties, stated that the building is
basically tucked into the site and at its highest point would be
approximately 19 to 22 feet; however that highest portion of the
building is actually tucked four feet into the ground. He stated
that it would be roughly 15 to 18 feet high.
Ryan wanted clarification on the number of employees per shift
and the parking availability.
Ruehl stated that there was a misunderstanding in the staff
report. He stated that the total number of employees is 23 which
also includes the office area and all three shifts.
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Ryan asked if any solvents or air emissions could possibly cause
any traffic problems on Highway 5.
Ruehl stated that the printing operation is nothing more than
what would be from a very small print shop. He stated other than
that there are no odors that would be generated and nothing that
would be considered pollutants.
Ryan also asked about the status of the Park Drive intersection
with Highway 5.
Dacy stated she would obtain that information for the City
Council meeting.
Conrad moved, seconded by Noziska to recommend approval of Site
Plan #85-7 for a 15,000 square foot manufacturing/office facility
be approved based on the site plan stamped "Received September 5,
1985" and subject to the following conditions:
1. The perimeter of all parking areas shall be lined with
concrete curb except those areas that are to be expanded.
2. The future parking area shall be sodded.
3. The parking should reflect the appropriate needs for total
number of people on site for each shift.
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Sign Permit Variance Request for an Additional Free-Standing
Sign located at 581 West 78th Street, John Dorek/Bill Baden,
applicants
Dacy stated that the owners of Chanhassen Bowl has contacted
staff in regards to locating a free standing sign on West 78th
Street. She noted that in a letter the applicants requested a 4
foot by 8 foot metal, lighted, non-flashing temporary sign;
however have since requested that it become a permanent sign.
She stated that deviations from the Sign Ordinance require a
granting of a variance and the application be referred to the
Planning Commission and City Council. She stated that during the
site plan review process, Fred Hoisington, our consultant on the
project, recommended that signage for the building be limited to
one area identification sign, one directory sign and appropriate
directional signage. The Planning Commission reviewed the con-
ditional use permit for reuse of the front portion of the Instant
Web building for Gary Kirt at the August 28, 1985 meeting, and
the City Council approved the conditional use permit request at
the September 9, 1985 meeting. She noted that it is Mr. Kirt's
intent to provide a directory sign identifying the uses within
his portion of the building. A condition of approval was that
signage on Mr. Kirt's property be limited to one free standing
sign and wall signage for tenants. She explained that the Sign
Ordinance requires that one free standing sign for each building
facing each street frontage is allowed. She stated that at pre-
sent, the Bowling Center does not abut public street frontage.
She stated that the City intends to construct a north-south road-
way along the western boundary of the Instant Web property next
year. She stated that this will provide street frontage for the
lot owned by the Bowling Center. She stated that to accomplish
Hoisington's objectives while providing signage for the Bowling
Center, staff is recommending one temporary free standing sign
for the Bowling Center to be located on city property along West
78th Street. She stated that a minimum ten foot setback must be
maintained, and the proposed signage must be permanent in nature,
and not a "make shift portable" sign. She explained that when
the north-south road is constructed along the western boundary
and another entrance is created to the building, the Bowling
Center's sign should be moved to the new entrance. She stated
that ultimately each lot owner would have their individual
signage. The number of signs would be limited to three which is
in proportion to the large size of the parcel and the amount of
street frontage.
The Commissioners felt that this was a good solution to the sign
request.
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Noziska moved, seconded by Conrad, to recommend approval of Sign
Permit Variance Request #85-11 subject to the following con-
ditions:
1. One temporary free standing sign for the owners of the
bowling center be located on city property as depicted on
Attachment #2 until such time that a north-south road is
constructed along the western boundary. A minimum ten foot
setback must be maintained, and the sign must meet the
requirements of the Sign Ordinance.
2. The Bowling Center sign should be relocated to the new
entrance on the western boundary when the new road is
completed.
3. Upon relocation of the Bowling Center sign, the city shall
simultaneously construct an area identification sign in the
location depicted on Attachment #2.
All voted in favor and the motion carried.
Approval Of Minutes
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Conrad moved, seconded by Noziska, to approve the September 11,
1985 minutes as written. Emmings, Siegel, Ryan, Conrad and
Noziska voted in favor. J. Thompson abstained. Motion carried.
Open Discussion
Dacy reviewed the status of the Lake virginia Forcemain vs. Lake
Ann Interceptor issue. She stated that staff is requesting a
joint meeting on October 16, 1985 with the Planning Commission
and City Council to discuss these issues and its implications as
to future planning issues. The proposed date coincides with the
informational hearing with the business community on the new
zoning Ordinance.
Election of Vice-Chairman
Noziska moved, seconded by Ryan, to elect Ladd Conrad as
Vice-Chairman. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
Adjournment
Conrad moved, seconded by Noziska, to adjourn the meeting at 9:30
p.m. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
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Barbara Dacy
City Planner
prepared by Vicki Churchill
September 30, 1985