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1977 04 13 REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 13, 1977 e Mal MacAlpine called the meeting to order at 8:00 p.m. with the following members present: Jerry Neher, Walter Thompson, Hud Hollenback, and Roman Roos. Dick Dutcher came at 8:15. Les Bridger was absent. MINUTES: Jerry Neher moved to approve the March 9, 1977, Planning Commission minutes. Motion seconded by Walter Thompson. The following voted in favor: Roman Roos, Mal MacAlpine, Jerry Neher, and Walter Thompson. Hud Hollenback abstained. Motion carried. COUNTRY CLEAN LANDSCAPE PLAN: Don McCarville was present with a landscape plan showing a six foot rough sawn cedar fence to be constructed on three sides of the storage building with landscape plantings on the north and west sides of the fence. The City Planner recommended approval of the landscape plan. A motion was made by Roman Roos and seconded by Jerry Neher that the Planning Commission has reviewed the plans with Mr. McCarville and approved the plans as presented. Motion unanimously approved. Dick Dutcher came at this point. TOUR: Members scheduled the tour of residential developments for April 30, at 8:00 a.m. Council, Park and Recreation Commission, and Ecological Committee members will be invited to go along. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING: The next Planning Commission meeting will be held April 20 instead of April 27. e MOTHER..,.IN-LAW APARTMENTS: A motion was made by DickD1.ltcher and seconded by Hud Hollenback to reschedule a public hearing to consider redefining dwelling units on page 4 of Ordinance 47 on May 11, 1977, at 8:30 p.m. Motion unanimously approved. PUBLIC HEARING HUNTINGTON PARK SUBDIVISION APRIL 13, 1977, AT 8:30 P.M. Mal MacAlpine called the public hearing to order with the following persons present: William Huntington, Route #3, Box 93, Maple Plain Doug Hansen, 17001 Stodola Road, Minnetonka Marcia Will, 325 George Street, Excelsior Mr. and Mrs. Orner Nemitz, 665 Pleasant View Road, Excelsior Bill Brezinsky Russell Larson The City Planner read the official notice as published in the Carver County Herald. Notices were mailed to adjacent property owners within 350 feet of the subject property.. e This property consists of parts of Lots 33, 34, 35, and 36 Minnewashta Park and is approximately two acres in size. Sanitary sewer and water are available to the property. The land is zoned R-l. The City Plan shows the area to be low density single family. Both lots to be created exceed the minimum requirements of the R-l Use District. A home has been built on proposed Lot A. The City Planner recommended approval of the subdivision and suggested that Mr. Huntington keep the future structure - Planning Commission Meeting April 13, 1977 -2- to be constructed on Lot B as close to Orchard as pos~ible. This would allow the back of the parcel to be redivided sometime in the future ~f and when the properties to the east desire to redivide and put a road... ~n. ~ A motion was made by Hud Hollenback and seconded by Dick Dutcher to close the public hearing. Motion unanimously approved. Hearing closed at 8:40 p.m. Don Ashworth City Manager HUNTINGTON PARK SUBDIVISION: Dick Dutcher moved to recommend to the Council that the subdivision be approved. Motion seconded by Jerry Neher. Motion unanimously approved. BARNES!WILCH SITE PLAN: Jack Barnes and Ed Wilch were present with plans to convert an existing duplex at 7811 Great Plains Blvd. to retail sales on the first floor and office space on the second floor. The Central Business District Committee recommended the City issue the appropriate permits for this building. The off street parking as shown on the plan will sufficiently handle the parking needs. The City Planner suggested that a bond be posted to insure the parking lot is put in. A motion was made by Hud Hollenback and seconded by Walter Thompson to recommend approval of the plan subject to the owners installing an asphalt driveway and parking area prior to October 1, 1977, and further that ... they post an escrow deposit or surety bond with the City guaranteeing ~ construction of said asphalt surface. The amount of said deposit should be determined by the City Engineer and posted with the City prior to the issuance of a building permit. Motion unanimously approved. ECOLOGICAL COMMITTEE: Dick Dutcher discussed the results of the Ecological Committee questionnaire. A more detailed summary will be forthcoming. REICHERT SUBDIVISION PLAN: Bob Reichert was present. The property is located on the north shore of Lotus Lake and across Pleasant View Road. It is zoned R-lA. Sanitary sewer is currently being installed in the area. There are no buildable lots on the lake side of the property. Mr. Reichert proposes these unbuildable lots to be outlots, several of which would be sold with proposed lots across Pleasant View. Two outlots would be sold to existing neighbors to square off their property. One outlot would be managed by a homeowners association. Mr. Reichert will place deed restrictions on the outlots. A motion was made by Hud Hollenback and seconded by Walter Thompson to hold a public hearing on May 11, 1977, at 9:00 p.m. to consider rezoning this property to R-l and to consider subdividing the subject property into nine lots and seven outlots. Mr. Reichert will prepare restrictive covenants prior to the public hearing. Motion unanimously approved. e e .- e Planning Commission Meeting April 13, 1977 -3- Mr. and Mrs. Nemitz expressed concern about the public using the outlots as a way to the lake. HANSEN AND KLINGELHUTZ - SARATOGA LANE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN: Doug Hansen, Tom Klingelhutz, and Jim Hawks were present. The lot layout is consistent with Hansen and Klingelhutz's overall PUD. The City Planner suggested the Planning Commission look favorably on this request and instruct the developer to incorporate the concerns as outlined in the City Engineer's memorandum of April 6, 1977. Bill Brezinsky gave a report. There will be two accesses to the proposed plat. One will be from Laredo Drive and the second from proposed MSAS 101. The right-of-way width by ordinance is 50 feet. A 60 foot width is shown for the entrance from Laredo Drive to Saratoga Circle and for the street extending westward. These could be reduced to 50 feet. The ordinance requires a 60 foot radius for cul-de-sacs. The cul-de-sacs are shown at 50 feet. The northerly cul-de-sac is 1,080 feet long compared to a 500 foot maximum required by ordinance. The Engineer does not consider this to be a significant problem. The radius of the two curves on the long cul-de-sac should be increased to 100 feet to conform to the ordinance. Jim Hawks - The 50 foot right-of-way of the 28 foot recommended improved surface leaves an 11 foot boulevard on each side. A 100 foot turn around with an 80 foot improved right-of-way leaves ten feet on each side. We would have to increase that from 100 to 120 feet. It takes a much larger area would have to be leveled off in order to conform to the grades of the streets and it tends to push the houses back. I didn't see the logic of it. This way to bring it up, it's an eleven foot boulevard along the street then a ten foot on the cul-de-sacs would also be reasonable. The 100 foot on the curves is not a problem. It will move the roads in. Bill Brezinsky - A 40 foot paved radius is adequate for snow plowing equipment. Probably the ordinance is a little bit inconsistent where you allow a 20 foot boulevard on a cul-de-sac and where you only allow eleven feet on each side of a straight roadway. That much more really isn't necessary on a cul-de-sac. The cul-de-sac right- of-way has been varied on several occasions if the developer can show a good reason. The most recent one was in Laredo Lane where it would have worked real ha~dship on development of that piece of property. The City Attorney was asked to research why a decision was made to have a 60 foot radius instead of a 50 foot radius for cul-de-sacs and report back at the public hearing. The Planning Commission would also like comments from the maintenance department whether it would cause a hardship. A motion was made by Dick Dutcher and seconded by Hud Hollenback to hold a public hearing on May 11, 1977, at 9:30 p.m. to consider the Saratoga Lane Preliminary Development Plan. Motion unanimously approved. Planning Commission Meeting April 13, 1977 -4- MINUTES: The Ecological Committee has requested a response from the Planning Commission regarding Exhibits A and B of their minutes. This will be discussed at the next Planning Commission meeting. d' ~ A motion was made by Mal MacAlpine and seconded by Jerry Neher to a ]ourn. Motion unanimously approved. Meeting adjourned at 11:00 p.m. Don Ashworth City Manager - e