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1978 01 25 - e e REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 25, 1978 Roman Roos called the meeting to present: Walter Thompson, Jerry and Hud Hollenback were absent. Pankonin were present. order at 7:30 p.m. with the following members Neher, Les Bridger, and Dick Matthews. Mal MacAlpine Bill Brezinsky, Bob Waibel, Craig Mertz, and Bruce MINUTES: Les Bridger moved to accept the December 14, 1977, Planning Commission minutes as written. Motion seconded by Dick Matthews. The following voted in favor: Roman Roos, Walter Thompson, Les Bridger, and Dick Matthews. Jerry Neher abstained. Motion carried. Les Bridger moved to accept the January 11, 1978, Planning Commission minutes as written. Motion seconded by Jerry Neher and unanimously approved. ESCROW DEPOSITS: Members requested this item be placed on the February 22, 1978, Planning Commission Agenda. The Planner will prepare a report on the amount outstanding on all escrow accounts. SKETCH PLAN - GEORGE WAY: James Larkin, Attorney, George Way, Louis Zakariasen, and Wes Searles were present. Mr. Way is requesting approval to subdivide his property at 3831 Red Cedar Point Drive into two lots. James Larkin - When the matter initially came before the Planning Commission there was a report by the engineer indicating that he would like, for future use, the dedication of some 50 feet of roadway across Mr. Way~s property. That 50 feet that he asked for was not the same roadway that's described on the Red Cedar area development plan although it does run fairly near to it. It is my understanding that, that roadway even if dedicated would not presently be built and is not presently needed. If the subdivision was granted there would be two lots, one of which already has a house on it and another lot which is already served by an existing street, Red Cedar Point Road. That additional lot does not require any new streets to service it. We had an initial discussion with Mr. Waibel and the city engineer and then after a second discussion with Mr. Waibel I felt that before the preliminary plat is filed it might be well to come back before you to let you know what our position was and find out what else might be done because it is a rather small matter in terms of its economic impact. I think it's fair that we try to arrive at a meeting of the minds so that Mr. Way is not required to go through several plat drafts and the expense before submitting it. I hope you will find this procedure satisfactory. The real question is, is that road required or is it a requirement as part of a subdivision? Bill Brezinsky - The original plan shows the connecting road bisecting the easterly parcel that Mr. Way hopes to create. It would create two unbuildable sites. If the city was to put a road through there I feel they would probably have to purchase the whole property because it would be unusable. This is not a logical place for the road, 1) because it would destroy the usability of this easterly parcel. The second reason is because the topography would be extremely expensive to build a road through there. I felt at that time, and I haven't changed my mind at all, the most logical place to put a road to connect Red Cedar Point and County Road 15 would be along the westerly 50 feet of the easterly parcel that Mr. Way wants to create. That's where the utilities are. That's where the existing driveway is. Although it is not lining up with Kirkham Road, Kirkham Road will probably never exist. The road as we propose it will follow the existing driveway that is used by the people up on the hill. It is the best location. The connection from South Cedar Drive,north on Kirkham Road, through the Smith property is unacceptable from an engineering standpoint because of grade, drainage, and numerous reverse curves. We don't feel that this is a logical connection. We felt that the only connection that could be made from South Cedar to the west would have been by going Planning Commission Meeting January 25, 1978 -2- along the base of the hill along the lake, possibly. I feel that, if there is going to be a road, it should be along the westerly 50 feet of the easterly parcel. If we were to improve that portion of the road along Mr. Way's property and widen a it 28 feet wide, would not really improve the situation of the people on the hill. ~ This is the level part. When they get past Mr. Way's property then they get into the hill and the dangerous stretch,so to put the road in now is not going to improve that. The value of this road, when it does go in, will be to give a second access road to Red Cedar Point. A petition is on file signed by the property owners to the southwest on the hill that they do not want an improved street to their homes. The City Attorney will respond to Mr. Larkin's point raised in his letter of January 5, 1978. Members instructed Mr. Way to prepare a preliminary plat. COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS: As a part of the comprehensive planning process, land use planning deals essentially with the relationships between different land uses in a given area. The relationships between different land uses are often very complex and difficult to predict. This problem is due in part to a lack of historical and scientific understanding of the relationships between different uses of the land. The location and timing of various land uses are also generally difficult to guide effectively or to control given our prevailing political philosophy and legal system which places a strong emphasis on protecting private property rights. Finally, the establishment of community goals and policies related to land use planning is also a difficult task in our increasingly complex society. The scope of the planning process is outlined in the recently enacted Mandatory Planning Act and arbitrated Systems Statements between the City of Chanhassen and the Metropolitan Council. To comply with State Law, the Chanhassen City Council would like the Planning Commission to complete ~ the city plan by the end of 1978. ~ Les Bridger moved that under a cover letter from the Ch.airman of the Planning Commission,the Planning Commission questionnaire be sent to members of the Park and Recreation Commission, Ecological Committee, HRA, and CBD Committee Said questionnaire be returned to the City Planner on or before Feb~uary 8, 1978. Motion seconded by Jerry Neher and unanimously approved. COUNCIL MINUTES: Members noted the Council minutes of January 9, 1978. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN: The Planning Commission is in the process of formulating broad goals and objectives for the future of the City. Dick Matthews moved that the Planning Commission would like imput on land based and water based ecology matte~s the Ecological Committee is discussing and land and water recreational goals and objectives of the Park and Recreation Commission. The Planning Commission would like to sit down with the Park and Recreation Commission and Ecology Committee April 26, 1978, to discuss the directions they are going. Motion seconded by Les Bridger and unanimously approved. The Planning Commission wants imput from the Park and Recreation Commission regarding their anticipated future open space systems and water based recreational uses. The Ecological Committee should formulate goals and objectives for the utilization of environmentally significant issues for the future. e -- e e Planning Commission Meeting January 25, 1978 -3- LIAISON TO COUNCIL: Jerry Neher moved to set up a schedule for members of the Planning Commission to alternately attend Council meetings and voice the Planning Commission's recommendation on planning related matters. Motion seconded by Walter Thompson and unanimously approved. CARVER COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE: Carver County is looking for a representative from Chanhassen to serve on this committee. They would prefer a representative from the Councilor Planning Commission. The Planning Commission took no action. Jerry Neher moved to adjourn. Walter Thompson seconded the motion and unanimously approved. Meeting adjourned at Il:30 p.m. Don Ashworth City Manager .~-~.-.