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1978 02 22 REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ~EBRUARY 22, 1978 e Roman Roos called following members and Jerry Neher. absent. the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. with the present: Dick Matthews, Mal MacAlpine, Hud Hollenback, Les Bridger came at 9:00 p.m. Walter Thompson was MINUTES: Amend the motion under MARVEL EGGAM SUBDIVISION in the February 8, 1978, Planning Commission minutes as follows: Jerry Neher moved to recommend the Council approve the preliminary plat for Marvel Eggam dated February 8, 1978, and grant a variance to the Subdivision Ordinance wherein the requirement for topographic data be waived. The Planning Commission instructed the applicant to prepare the final plat pursuant to Ordinance 33, Section 10.04. Motion seconded by Walter Thompson. The following voted in favor: Roman Roos, Jerry Neher, Dick Matthews, and Walter Thompson. Hud Hollenback voted no. Motion carried. Amend the motion under ELIZABETH SWEIGER SUBDIVISION in the February 8, 1978, Planning Commission minutes as follows: ,Pursuant to Council action, Jerry Neher moved to approve the resubdivision for Elizabeth Sweiger with the stipulation that the easterly most lots will be 87.5 feet of frontage each and the corner lot have 105 feet of frontage. Mrs. Sweiger was instructed to prepare a final plat pursuant to Ordinance 33, Section 10.04. The Planning Commission recommended that the subdivider petition for city water. ~~otion seconded by Walter Thompson and unanimously approved. e Jerry Neher moved to approve the February 8, 1978, Planning Commission minutes as amended. Motion seconded by Hud Hollenback. The following voted in favor: Roman Roos, Jerry Neher, Dick Matthews, and Hud Hollenback. Mal MacAlpine abstained. MOtion carried.' GOVERNOR'S COMMISSION ON CRIME PREVENTION: John Merrill from.the Governor's Commission on. Crime Prevention gave a slide presentation and suggested numerous ways in which landscape design can deter crime. The Planning Commission, in concert with the Carver County Sheriff's Department, will review all site plans with Mr. Merrill's comments in mind. ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS: undertook a study to subdivisions of land served with sanitary Commission and staff In the spring of 1977, the Planning Commission consider relaxing City Ordinance 45 by allowing in areas of the community which are not presently sewer. The common moniker the Planning placed on this subject was "Estate Development". e The principal hypothesis offered by the study is that the uncontrolled proliferation of new housing starts~,in the unsewered portion of the city, will adversely affect the health, safety, and welfare of the community. By encouraging development to locate in the sewered portions of the city, however, will insure that private development will follow public investment, rather than the reverse, which has been the traditional pattern~ It is hoped that such practices will not only promote the use of already existing public facilities to their maximum capacity, but will also minimize additional public investments, particularly those of an unplanned and unexpected nature. To manage Chanhassen's encumbered municipaL debt so as to conserve Planning Commission Meeting February 22, 1978 -2- credit and taxes, the city should adopt a policy of channeling all new growth into those areas of the city which are currently served with sanitary sewer. Said channeling of growth, could be defined as the "Urban Reservoir Concept". e Outward urban expansion of the twin city metropolitan area, which has been occurring in the last quarter century is and hopefully will continue to transform areas of "rural" Chanhassen into an urban economy and environment. The urban reservoir concept proposes to delineate those areas of the city which will have to undergo urbanization by the year 1990. The urban reservoir concept is based primarily on existing urban development, availability of sanitary sewer and water expansion, vehicular access, both existing and planned, and enthusiastic population growth allocated for Chanhassen as a proportion of total metropolitan growth. Within Chanhassen, the urban reservoir concept would divide the city into three distinct types of land use: A. Urban Reservoir The urban reservoir is that area of the city which is or will be devewoped into a residential density so as to retire the city's encumbered debt. The urban reservoir contains approximately 3,000 acres of developable residential land. Within this area the city can expect 2l,000 people to reside in 6500 dwelling units. B. Sub-Urban Reservoir e The sub-urban area is proposed to be urbanized after the city can see a positive cash flow to the existing municipal debt. The sub-urban area is that area of the community (approximately l,800 acres excluding the Arboretum and Lake Minnewashta Regional Park) which will receive interceptor sewer service after the installation of the Lake Ann Interceptor Phase II. C. Rural Area The rural area of the community should remain rural until after the urban and sub-urban reservoir reach a saturation and sanitary sewer is provided to the Lake Riley Creek and Bluff Creek Watersheds. By channeling all growth of the city, for the short term, into the existing sewered service area will, hopefully, be sufficient to pay the city's existing debt. By leaving the sub-urban and rural area in an open state will allow an orderly development into these areas after the installation of necessary sanitary sewer and water. Without growth in the sub-urban and rural area, the potential for increased public investments for new roads, sewer, water, police and fire protection, parks and schools will be reduced and said capital costs can be channeled into the existing urban reservoir; because, the city's infra-structure is not developed to a sufficient scale so as to handle development other than the existing rural economy and environment. The urban reservoir concept should be the fundamental premise upon which the city-s plan should be developed. After this issue has been answered by the city council, all of Chanhassen's urban and e e e e Planning Commission Meeting February 22, 1978 -3- rural development will fall into place and the city can develop a capital improvements budget to implement the city's future urban and rural area. 1. Les Bridger moved the adoption of a resolution that the Planning Commission endorses the Planner's Urban Reservoir/Sub-Urban Reservoir/ Rural Area concept described in the Planner's report dated February 2l, 1978. Motion seconded by Mal MacAlpine and unanimously approved. Members commented on the above resolution~ Dick Matthews - I have read the report and I don't have any problems with it. The areas of the soil, that's infortnation that I guess I don't truly understand. Mal MacAlpine~ I have no problem with it. Les Bridger - I have read the report and I also am in agreement with its context. Hud Hollenback - Agreed. Jerry Neher - I have read the report and I am in complete agreement with it. Roman Roos- I, in like manner, agree to it. We have to make sure that private development is going to follow public investment and that's basically what this is all about. 2. Hud Hollenback moved the adoption of a resoluti~n that the Planning Commission endorses the concept of channeling all residential growth into the sewered areas of the City. Motion seconded by 'Jerry Neher and unanimously approved. Members commented on the above resolution. Jerry Neher - It is important to me that we do that for fiscal purposes. Hud Hollenback - Agreed. Les Bridger - I have no problem with it. Mal MacAlpine - No problem. Dick Matthews - No problem. Roman RooS - We mention residential~ should we also involve industrial and commercial? Bruce'Pankonin - Ordinance 45, as presently structured, says no building permits for commercial and industrial uses will be issued without sanitary sewer. Roman Roos - If'that be so, then I'agree also. 3. Dick Matthews moved the adoption of a resolution that the Planning Commission endorses a policy of diminishing the need for further sanitary sewer and watermain extensions by creating stricter performance standards for on-site septic system. Motion seconded by Mal MacAlpirte'and'unanimously approved. Members commented on the above resolution. ,. Dick Matthews - By stricter performance standards, who is going to , determine that? Craig Mertz - The Engineer can make recommendation to you on what type of technical performandeshould be expeCted of a modern septic system and you make yourjudgrnent on that. Obviously, stricter is an indefinite term but the idea is conveyed that this is a device that you want to use to guard against sewer problems in the unsewered area. Dick Matthews - Then, let's say that an. existing residence has Planning Commission Meeting F~pruary 22, 1978 -4- a septic system and it goes hay wire. If that goes baG!., then does this take over and do w,e insist, that A he put in our new adopted approved-better system? ~ Bruce Pankonin - We have to determine what is stricter. As I see what will happen, the city will provide a more frequent inspection role than what exists right'nowso that the problems 'will beheaded off before. they. are problems. . Jerry Neher - There are many septic systems in the city today that are not doing the job. I would like,to see tbe word changed on that to "much stricter". Craig Mertz - If,You endorse this policy what I would see is that the engineer'be:told to make. some recommendation to you on what should be in an on-site. septic ordinance and at that time you'would hit the issue of, what are you going to do, are you going to treat the existing system the same as the new system. - Mal MaCAlpine - It is something that should be fairly clear. It could be a hot issue. Jerry Neher - I believe'by the very virtue of.tl).is it.means we are going to havepa stricter ordinance of some sort in the .near.future. Les Bridger - To what degree of change are we talking about, new . r : system' Or old system? Bruce pankonin - We haven't really:given it any; thought. Les Bridger - That's the only hang up I've got with it. Hud Hollenback - No questions. I agree. Jerry Neher - I agree. Roman Roos - I think it's a very important resolution ,make sure that we.note that it's related and it's an effective way o.f, controlling, item #9. and I want to to item #9 gro,wth, ,in e 4. Jerry Neher moved the adoption of a resolution thattbePlanning Commission endorses a policy of. refusing to entertain residential PUD applications for the areas outside of the urban reservoir. Motion secondeG!. by Hud Hollenback and unanimously approved. 5. Mal MacAlpine moved the adoption of a resolution that the Planning Commission endorses a policy of. in-filling and/or developing those areas of the City where capital investments have already been made in the form of sewers and water facilities. Motion seconded by Les Bridger and unanimously approved. 6. Hud Hollenback moved the adoption of a resolution that the Planning Commission wi.ll establish a capital improvements program 'which will regulate the future extension of sani'tary sewer and water. Motion seconded by Dick Matthews and unanimously approved. 7. Jerry Neher moved the adoption ofa resolution that the Planning Commission is concerned 'about the size of the City's bonded' indebtedness and endorses a policy of channeling all residential growth into the "urban reservoir" for purposes of maintaining the _ fiscal integrity of the City. Motion seconded by Hud Hollenback and .., unanimously approved. 8. Les Bridger moved the adoption of a resolution that the Planning Commission endorses a policy of "denying residential building permits Planning Commission Meeting February 22, 1978 -5- . to all newly created lots or tracts located outside of the urban reservoir. Motion seconded by Jerry Neher and unanimously approved. 9. Mal MacAlpine moved the adoption of a resolution that the Planning Commission endorses a policy of strictly applying the Ordinance 47 minimum lot sizes to all residential building permit applications for existing lots or tracts located outside of the urban reservoir. Motion seconded by Dick Matthews and unanimously approved. 10. Hud Hollenback moved the adoption of a resolution that the City Staff and attorney be empowered to proceed with an inventory of City ordinances which conflict with the above described policies and be empowered to proceed with the drafting of the appropriate amendments and comprehensive city plan for consideration by the Planning Commission and the City Council by December 3l, 1978. Motion seconded by Jerry Neher and unanimously approved. COUNCIL MINUTES: The Council minutes of February 6, 1978, were discussed by the Planning Commission. Mal MacAlpine moved to adjourn. Motion seconded by Dick Matthews and unanimously approved. Meeting adjourned at 11:10 p.m. Don Ashworth City Manager e e