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1980 06 25 e REGULAR SESSION CHANHASSEN PLANNING COMMISSION The Chanhassen Planning Commission met in the Chanhassen City Hall, 7610 Laredo Drive, Chanhassen, Minnesota, on June 25, 1980 at 7:30 P.M. Present Were: Chairman Clark Horn Walter Thompson Art Partridge Tom Hamilton Bill Johnson Mike Thompson Jim Thompson Also present were: e Ed Dunn, Dunn & Curry Kathy Holtmeier, Resident Jim Murphy, Resident Bud Paulsen, Resident Roger Schmidt, Resident Gerald Gustafson, Resident Joseph Myers, Resident Earl Holasek, Holasek Nurseries Pat Murphy, Carver County Paul Waldron, Carver County Bob Waibel, Staff Mark Koegler, Staff Don Ashworth, Staff Jim Orr, City Engineer Chairman Horn called the Meeting to Order at 7:30 P.M. Conditional Use Permit for Neighborhood Beach Lot, Outlot B, Lotus Lake Estates Addition, Public Hearing Bob Waibel presented the request and his recommendations. The Planning Commission discussed the width and easement for the pedestrian pathway. Chairman Horn opened the public hearing. Present for this hearing were: - Donald A. Johnson, 111 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Aaron Babcock, 125 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Frank Windsir, 120 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Gerald Cuandall, 6760 Brule Circle, Chanhassen Mark Miller, 150 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Dennis Ewing, 6770 Brule Circle, Chanhassen Judy Ewing, 6770 Brule Circle, Chanhassen Pat Miller, 71 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Bruce Norby, 100 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Maragaret Norby, 100 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Mike Miller, 71 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Sylvia Epones, 130 Choctaw Circle, Chanhassen Nancy Leshela, 6781 Brule Circle, Chanhassen Norm Grant, 8504 Great Plains Blvd, Chanhassen Mary Lou Chmiel, 7100 Tecumseh Lane, Chanhassen Don Chmiel, 7100 Tecumseh Lane, Chanhassen Harlan Swanson, 131 Choctaw Lane, Chanhassen ,.-...- e e -- Aaron Babcock: 1I I I II be the spokesman fOl'the Lotus Lake Horne Owners Association I guess tonight. The Lake Study Committee at the meeting we attending - the whole committee drove Clut and looked at the area. It was at that time that they suggested that if the canoe racks are goingto be put in to add them to the plan. So it was at their recom,... mention, or their approval, that we get them in. There is a 4 foot easement all the way across Outlot B and I guess I would feel that that is probably wide enough to put the path on although. . a whole lot of brush. I don't think anybody is going to no thediiference if there is 4 feet or 5 feet but I think from the Home Owners Association standpoint I would say that we feeT 4 feet as originally dedicated is what we would like to see. As far as;what you mentioned about the steps down, the whole Lake Study Committee was there and we dec- ided to try to use 1 of there recommendations which was 6 x6 steps down on the hill on the road dowri to the bottom to~revent the washing We do have our liability insurance policy paid, signed, sealed and deli,vered. I guess thatsit unless you have some questions." There was discussion on the size and location of the canoe racks; Clark Horn: tree removal. "T believe there was 1 other issue on this and that was Do you know how 'many tre.es will beremoved?\l Aaron Babcock: lITrees over 2 inches - zero, Tree under 2 inches - 98% of what is there ~s brush and you're probably going to have 10-12 trees of 1-! inch size. 1I There was discussion on the clearing of the beach area and marking the swimming area with same type of buoy or marker. Bob Waibel feels that the beach is a self policing area, thus the shoreline should not be cluttered, Jim Thompson suggested the possibility of using barrels of some sort. Chairman Horn ieelsthe standard coastguard buoys are appropri.ate for marking the swimming area. Tom Hamilton moved, Walter Thompson second, to close the public hearing. Motion unanimously carried. Walter Thompson moved, Bill Johnson second, that the' conditional use permit be granted under the following COIlctiti6ns: 1) that the pedestrian way easement be 8 feet wide; 2) that a minimum number .of trees be removed; 3) that the swimming area be marked by standard c()astguard buoys at a depth of 6 feet, or 50 feet from the shore, which ever is less; and 4) that 2 - 6 capacity canoe racks be allowed. Upon further discussion the Planning Commission stated that for the record the recommendations of this conditional use permit are consistent with the recommended outlot beach lot standards by the Lake Study Committee. Also, the Planning Commission recommended that these conditional use permits be established for a five year term. Motion was unanimously carried. Preliminary Development Plan Review, Recommendation Formulation, Lake Susan South pun Bob Waibel presented the plan review and his recommendations. 2 e e -- Ed Dunn illustrated the changes in the plan. The gross density is slightly higher than it was on the previous plan. Chairman Horn commented that this plan is a very positive response. There was discussion on the commercial area proposed. Art Partridge stated that he feels that there may be a need for a commercial area in the future, but at present it could possibly be used as an outlot and zoned for commercial at a later date. Walter Thompson commented that a small commer.cial area as proposed may be a plus for not only Lake Susan but for other areas as well. Ed Dunn referred to this as a deferred matter at this time. Kathy Holtmeier and Jim Murphy, both Chanhassen Residents, are satisfied with the location of the single family homes but would still like to see the multiple dwellings away from the lake. There was brief discussion on MTH 101, noise abatement, setbacks and dedication. Jim Orr addressed servicing the area with water. Chairman Horn requested comments from the Commission members: Jim Thompson: "With the inclusion of the commercial area being nondesignated at this point I think there has been considerable improvement in the overall plan. I would still like to see maybe a height limit on the single family units when they .arebuilt so that one house isn't looking into the others windows. .." Art Partridge: "I would not be comfortable with any development of this density but I think there is an improvement... I think I have to agree with Ed, townhouses as they are are a significant improvement... I don't think we will find any problem with the people that live in the townhouses - they won't be visible to anybody." Tom Hamilton: "As far as the overall plan I think there is a tremendous improvement. I would like to see 60% single family, 28% multiple dwelling, 6% apartments and 25% of land developed simultaneously." He was also concerned with the overpass or pedestrian way. Chairman Horn recommended that the pathway be referred back to Park and Recreation. Mike Thompson: "I think most of the comments have been well stated." Bill Johnson: "I hate to make Ed feel good. I will use Jim1s comments, he has addressed many things that I have been concerned about. I do hope that more consideration will b~ given to the~edestrian crossing. Walter Thompson: "At this time I would agree with the proposal." Chairman Horn: "I think everything has<been said that I could mention. I would like to see a little better tradeoff between townhouses and apartments." 3 e Art Partridge moved, Jim Thompson second, to recommend to the City Council that Lake Susan South be rezoned as P1, fully recognizing the fact that the designated 5.8 acre parcel at the intersection of MTH 101 and Lyman Blvd. may have desirable use as commercial property in the future, therefore, reserving judgment on that one portion of land. Voted in favor: Chairman Horn, Art Partridge, Jim Thompson, Walter Thompson, Bill Johnson and Tom Hamilton Negative vote: Mike Thompson (no reason stated) Motion carried. The Planning Commission further discussed Bob Waibel's requests and recommendations and the alternate ratios and density of the overall project. e Bill Johnson moved, Art Partridge second, to approve the preliminary development plan subject to the recommendations made by Bob Waibel dated June 23, 1980 with the following exceptions: a) #8 be reserved for recommendation at a later date; b) #10 be deleted having been covered in a previous recommendation; c) #11 be deleted having been taken care of in the Exhibit submitted at the meeting; d) #13 - that the right-of-way of Lyman Blvd. be considered for expansion for parkway standards at a later date; e) #14 - that at the time of pedestrian way design on the Southwest shores of Lake Susan that design perameter be discussed with Park and Recreation and the Lake Susan Homeowners; f) #17 (addition) No single family phase include less than 25% of the land mass of the PRD; and g) #18 (addition) That further investigation on the lots adjoining the existing single family residents on Lake Susan be made for compatibility purposes at the time of final development plat review. Voted in favor: Chairman Horn, Walter Thompson, Art Partridge, Bill Johnson, Jim Thompson. Negative votes: Tom Hamilton and Mike Thompson. Negative votes due to ratio and density. Motion carried. North Water Service Area Backup Service Jim Orr addressed the water treatment, production capacity, and storage. Problems with the well include the undesirable amount of sand produced and the mechanical problems. Don Ashworth discussed the advantages and disadvantages of a new well, and the assessments and costs for putting in the Lake Lucy water system. Tom Hamilton moved, Art Partridge second, to recommend to the City Council that the Lake Lucy Road watermain not be done at this time and that another well be drilled in the wellfield. Motion unanimously carried. Holasek Diseased Tree Utilization Site Discussion e Bob Waibel briefly presented the review. Pat Murphy and Paul Waldron, Carver County, addressed the wood-pest- free processes (elimination of dutch elm disease). 4 e There was discussion on ash content, the uses of the site and it's products, the County's participation in the operation, the procedure and parties applicable for dumping the trees, testing the trees, and the pollution and noise aspect. Roger SchmjJtz, resident, .commented on the noise, traffic and pollution. He also is concerned with the possibility of spreading the disease to adjoining areas. Chairman Horn requested that somebody look into the concept of other disoposal areas that have a higher concentration of dutch elm disease in their immediate area. Pat Murphy informed of a summary tree disposal site report prepared by Carl Vogt that includes an inventory o~ species, the percentage of tree loss, areas of loss. etc. Paul Waldron stated they would bring a copy to the next meeting. Scott/Carver Economic Council -Farmers Market Conditional Use Permit Bob Waibel presented the proposal. Tom Hamilton moved, Art Partridge second, to schedule a public hearing. Motion unanimously carried. -- Approval of Minutes Art Partridge moved, Bill Johnson second, to note the June 16, 1980 City Council Minutes. However, after fu:tther(iiscusslon the Planning Commission commented that the change in the Fluoroware Development proposal regarding the silo that was specifically rejected by the Planning Commission justifies a re.,...review. Voted in favor: Chairman Horn, Art Partridge, Walter Thompson, Bill Johnson, Mike Thompson and Jim Thompson. Negative vote: Tom Hamilton. Open Discussion * Public hearing on Oakmont was discussed. This will be scheduled on the earliest possible date. * Waldrip proposal was discussed. Adjourn Tom Hamilton moved, Mike Thompson second, to adjourn at 12:00 A.M. Motion unanimously carried. . 5