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1980 07 09 . CHANHASSEN PLANNING CO'AMISSION The Chanhassen Planning Commission held its Meeting on July 9, 1980 at Chanhassen City Hall, 7610 Laredo. Present were: Chairman Clark Horn Art Partridge Walter Thompson Jim Thompson Mike Thompson Bill Johnson Tom Hamilton (7:50) Also present were: e Bob Waibel, City Staff Mark Koegler, City Staff Craig Mertz, Asst. Attorney Jim Orr Earl Holasek, Chanhassen Paul Waldron, Carver County Pat Murphy, Carver County Marian Schmitz, Chanhassen Lois Johnson, Chanhassen Howard Johnson, Chanhassen Bill McNamara, Chaska Quali-Tek Products Gerald Gustafson, Chanhassen Lois Gustafson, Chanhassen Roger Schmidt, Chanhassen Gayleen Schmidt, Chanhassen Russ & Wendy Leistiko, Chanhassen Kim & Denny Moore, Chanhassen Gayle Wolff, Chanhassen Terri Larson Fran Haegen R. Derrick John Shardlow, st. Paul Kurt Laugainghouse, BloomJngton David Pease, ScottjCarver;Eeonomic Council Chairman Horn called the meetihg to Order at 7:30 P.M. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Jim Thompson moved, Walter Thompson second, to note the City Council Hinutes of June 2, 1980. Motion unanimously carried. e Art Partridge moved, Water Thompson second, to approve the June 25, 1980 Planning Commission Minutes. Motion unanimously carried. Walter Thompson moved, Art Partridge second, to note the City Council Minutes of June 23, 1980. Motion unanimously carried. e HOLASEK DISEASED TREE UTILIZATION - PUBLIC HEARING Pat Murphy gave a brief presentation on the proposed operation. He explained the Carver CountyjHolasek contract relationship and intentions. Paul Waldron explained the status of the Dursban chemical study being done at this time. He further explained the disbursion of this disease by dead and dying trees. Pat Murphy addressed the traffic generation due to the site (he stated there will be a relatively small increase) the noise standards, and the tests being performed on the proposed chipper. He estimates that the chipper will run about 10-12 hours per week during the busy summer months. They also addressed the open burning (apx. 10% of the total material). There was discussion on alternate disposal sites. Chairman Horn opened the public hearing. Roger Schmitz - 8301 Galpin Blvd, commented on his concerns about the operation being located where it is proposed, the generated traffic, open burning and noise. (His oral concerns were sited off of attachment #1 to the Minutes.) - Ted Moore: liMy concern is we already played this game down the road here. I don't know alot about the topography down there except that its probably alot more isolated than this area is. My first reaction was if that desolate area wasn't accepted why should this one be? One concern I have is that I looked at the proposal last night and the capacity of the wood burner, I'm all in favor of the fuel savings, if it's 2-4 tons per hour it doesn't add up to the 4000 tons per year, it comes out to about 8000 tons. That means Carver County is only going to provide 25% of the fuel required, so I think there is going to be traffic coming in from allover." They discussed the rate of capacity and the flow of material. .. Bill McNamara: "Quali-Tek Products. We're probably the closest neighbor. Again, its admirable in the terms pf saving fuel. I guess the concerns I have are 1) the terms of the delivery site, the access from CR17 - who develops and maintains that?(Pat Murphy informed that was Mr. Holasek). 2) Terms of rubbish that will be dropped along the highway, who will be responsible for that? (Bob Waibel informed that the City of Chanhassen is proposing that Mr. Holasek establish procedures about dumping and loss of material as a condition to his permit.) 3) I assume that it is the County's responsibility to maintain the road. (Pat Murphy stated it was). Is there any economic information available in terms of the cost-purchase of the item, lease cost to Mr. Holasek and the charges back to the County or whoever? (Pat Murphy explained the reasons for the County desiring such an operation. In figuring cost, it will cost Mr. Holasek apx. $600jmonth under the contract). Jerry Gustafson: "8341 Galpin Blvd. I think we're talking about a chipper mainly. When we visited the other sight, there's got to be some other allied equipment operating along with it. We watched 2 e - e large dozers there that had to move these logs around to get them on to the chipper. Also, the only way you can get this smaller stuff off the trees is by chain saws, and then the larger logs that couldn't be used they have to use chain saws to cut them. There's alot of other equipment not only just the chipper running, there's alot of other machinery needed to keep this thing running. So that means theres alot of noise. You had a very difficult time talking to somebody right next to you. If the wind is blowing just right we will hear what is running. They had a problem with smoke, if you light them at certain times they just don't go out. Thirdly, and lastly, I'm proud of the area I live in, the terrain, the quietness, thats why we moved out here. I think that with this type of operation it lends itself to future things that might come. I could be a gradual deterioration of our area." Earl Vogt: "My. Holasek has broiler in now. There is a percentage of the truck traffic that you would have to take into consideration that is going to be there, regardless if they haul in forms of logs or chips. We're going to have the traffic if yo~approveor,dis- approve it. The man has his boiler in, he has got to get his material in there. As far as the burning and the smoke, we s~ell the Quali- Tak feeds being blended." Unidentified: "Nobody else has said anything towards it, we listen to the train go by every 45 minutes, the trucks, 10% of traffic being-trucks is bull, there's 1 for every 5 cars. They run everything into the industrial park down CR 17 because its a 9 ton road." Marian Schmitz: "I do hear alot of the traffic go by, but 2 things that come to mind are the length of time that the trucks can come in and out of these bothers me, I have children, and there are alot of school buses going by. The noise too, when I get home at 5:00 I don't want to hear big noisy things going on down the road to me. I object to it being so long - until 8:00 at night, and Saturdays bother me. II Ted Moore: "The thing that concernS me. most is the nature of this thing. We've talked about having so much wood to use, its probably gonna only run this long, but there~e no time limit restrictions on how long it can run. You could run it 12 hours per day, and that would be a pain. I can appreciate why he wants those woodchips but the res no limit on this thing, I'd be more comfortable if there was a limit of some kind on this. II Discussion on additional permits and conditions. Roger Schmitz: "I talked to people that haul trees and also to Hennepin County thats involved in.. . disposal. They gave me some estimates that it takes 2 mixed loads of logs to come out with 1 load of chips. The other one told me 2-3 loads of mixed logs." Unidentified: "May I ask a question? Wasn't that road s;pt8cifically buil t as a 9 ton - road to accomodate truckjtractors? Isn"t that the whole point of having a 9 ton road, that trucks are free to travel that road without restriction? When you move on a 9 ton road you're 3 ! ! i. - e to have to expect truck traffic. We can't control how many trucks goes to Super Valu, Quali-Tek, Kallsted. I can't see where the noise from the truck traffic, you know, thats what the road is there for. II There was discussion on how the beetles spread this disease, the hours and frequency of burning material, use of chain saws, the operation during the summer months when people are mostly outside, noise pollution, time schedule, open burning and maintBnance of the chipper. Tom Hamilton moved, Mike Thompson second, to close the public hearing. Motion unanimously carried. Chairman Horn requested comments from the Planning Commission members: Art Partridge: I am alittle concerned about the relationship of the County-Holasek-staff and all this material. It sounds like a form of conclusion and I don't think it is. I am not concerned about the truck traffic on Galpin Blvd. It is a County road. I am concerned about the general moise to neighbors... I am concerned about the storage of the diseased elm on the property. I would like to see a severe limitation on the chipping and hauling in-out operation. Jim Thompson: I think they ought to look at alternatives. I happen to live next to an open burning area, I have quite a large concern for the opening burning type of operation. I would like to see restrictions put on that. Tom Hamilton: I don't see anything in our Ordinance #47 that will allow for this kind of activity in RiA agricultural area. Again I think it's a heck of a good idea, it seems to me that if there is going to be this much savings for Mr. Holasek, the County and everybody else, rather than having a portable unit it would seem it might be feasible to build some kind of structure around the grinder to minimize the noise as much as possible. That noise problem can be solved somehow and I don't think all the alternatives have been looked at. It also concerns me that alot of the information that we have received here seemsto be contradictory-the residents have some information and the County has other. I think until such time that we have a meeting of the minds on whats reasonable and whats not I guess I would have a hard time granting a permit. Mike Thompson: There seems to be some questionable facts, vague areas. There is nothing we can do about the traffic. If all of us lived over there we would be concerned about the open burning. Bill Johnson: My comments pretty much match with everyone else with the exception I feel perhaps our engineering staff should look into these discrepencies. I'd like to look at alternatives for noise, also to limit the hours of operation to midday. 4 e -.e ~. Walter Thompson: I think Tom made the point that I was going to make too. We've had an awful lot on conjecture and little data. I'm inclined to believe that what Pat Murphy has presented to us is valid. This operation is going to serve a necessary usage for the community. I would go for it. Chairman Horn: I guess I have a problem too with the discrepencies in the input. I don't see how we can proceed on this until we have the question answered on whether you can safely burn the chemicals. Would the operation be feasible if open burning was not allowed on the site? (Earl Holasek questioned where they would suggest bringing the material.) The Planning Commission would like input from the staff engineers and they would also like a tabulation of hauling rates by local haulers. The open issues needing clarification are open burning, noise level, chemical information, alternative uses, verified figures for Chanhassen's benefits, and verification of data. Tom Hamilton moved, Bill Johnson second, that this item be tabled until staff can come back to the Planning Commission with answers to the questions and data requested tonight. Motion unanimously carried. SCOTT/CARVER ECONOMIC COUNCIL -- FARMER'S MARKET, PUBLIC HEARING Bob Waibel gave his comments and recommendations. Chairman Horn opened the public hearing. Gayle Wolff, 7608 Great Plains Blvd. was concerned about the advisory body, not only the priest, being consulted about this request and the notice of opening in the Carver County Herald. David Pease, representing the Scott/Carver Economic Council, stated they had spoken with Father Knorr of St. Hubert's Church. He further explained the procedures and responsibilities of the Economic Council. Tom Hamilton moved, Walter Thompson second, to close the public hearing. Jim Thompson moved, Mike Thompson second, to approve the conditional use permit request -subject to Bob Waibel's conditions. Motion unanimously carried. AGENDA CHANGE Tom Hamilton moved, Walter Thompson second, to table item #6 idefinitely. Motion unanimously carried. 5 "- - SKETCH PLAN REVIEW, VARIANCE REQUEST. 227 GREAT PLAINS BLVD. NICKOLAZ Bob Waibel presented the request and recommendation of the City Attorney to defer this matter until the parcel problem is clarified. Craig Mertz explained the legal position. Chairman Horn requested further information on this matter, and to hear the legal aspect from the City Attorney. Bill Johnson moved, Tom Hamilton second, to table this item until July 23, 1980. Motion unanimously carried. SKETCH PLAN REVIEW, VARIANCE REQUEST. 6301 CHURCH ROAD - TERRI LARSON Bob Waibel presented the request. He informed of a difficulty expressed by the Carver County Recorder's Office in allowing this to become a lot-split due to rules for previously split Registered Land Survey parcels. He further explained"that the Recorder's Office requested that this come in as a plat~ There was discussion on the resurveying. The applicant expressed her intentions. Craig Mertz explained the Meets and Bounds options. e The Planning Commission requested that the applicant explore the options in detail and discuss them with the Carver County Recorder and City Staff. ~ Bill Johnson moved, Jim Thompson second, to schedule a public hearing on the proposed subdivision of RLS #15 - Carver County. Motion unanimously carried. FOX CHASE - FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW (FORMERLY SUNRISE BEACH) Bob Waibel presented the review and his recommendations. Fran Heigen illustrated the plan to the Commission. There was discussion on the siz~, and the change of number of lots, grade of approach to Pleasant View Road, the right-of-way, pedestrian way easement, use of trail and the conditions and terms of staff. The Commission Members questioned the inconsistency in number of lots on various plans. Walter Thompson moved, Jim Thompson second, to accept the proposed Fox Chase Plat dated May 12, 1980, revised May 22,1980, as a final development plan and that the comments and recommendations made be Staff by included. Near Mountain Final Development Review Request was asked to be taken off of the agenda by the applicant. 6 ~ OPEN DISCUSSION ** Bob Waibel informed that all Minutes on the Dunn & Curry proposal will be sent out for final review and acceptance before they are passed on to the City Council. ADJOURNMENT Art Partridge moved, Tom Hamilton second, to adjourn at 11:40 P.M. Motion unanimously carried. e ~ . 7