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33. Standard drainage and utility easements shall be dedicated over the front, side and rear
yards within the subdivision.
34. A cross access and maintenance agreement shall be recorded over Lot 3 for the benefit of
Lot 46, Pleasant View Addition for the existing driveway.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to O.
Sacchet: We wish you luck with this. This goes to the City Council, it's scheduled for the 26th
of September so if the neighbors want to follow it through the process, I don't know whether
City Council does take comments or not. Sometimes they do. But basically the public hearing is
what we do here at the Planning Commission and then City Council reviews that and depending
on what the situation is, they mayor may not take further comments.
PUBLIC HEARING:
REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR OFFICEIW AREHOUSE BUILDING ON
PROPERTY LOCATED ON LOT 4, BLOCK 2, CHANHASSEN WEST BUSINESS
PARK, APPLICANT MINGER CONSTRUCTION, PLANNING CASE 05-27.
Bob Generous presented the staff report on this item.
Sacchet: Thank you Bob. Questions from staff. Any questions? Not really. I do have a few
questions. So I want to be real clear because I wasn't here when the overall thing was looked at,
and when I first looked at this particular design I was a little bit concerned about how many trees
we're actually cutting here. I mean I went out there and they're fantastic trees. I mean there's
not a sick tree that I could spot. They're all in really good shape. It's a beautiful, beautiful grove
of trees here. We're cutting most of them here that are on this lot. I mean we have a few token
trees maybe so basically in terms of the overall development we balanced that by that, it's an
outlot that remains wooded and that.
Generous: That is correct. It will be a conservation easement dedicated over this. If Nann you
could go to the overhead. I don't know it's difficult to see but if you look at this site, the
significant band of trees in existing conditions run through here. The applicant is actually
putting the shared, the private street on the property to the north so that they're able to preserve
this area. Then the building will be located back over where it's more open. There may be some
shrub trees back there but nothing that showed up as significant on the survey, so they are doing
a good job on this lot of preserving the significant trees out there now.
Sacchet: Yeah but my point is actually different from that Bob. I mean what I'm saying is that I
feel they're cutting a lot there. Yes they're saving a little sliver there but there's this outlot on
the north of this whole development that's going to be preserved, right? What you pointed out
before. I want to be very clear about that because that's important in terms of balance of this
whole thing.
Generous: Correct.
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Sacchet: Okay. Because you know me with trees. The same thing applies with wetland
impacts. They were looked at as part of the overall, and mitigated.
Generous: Correct.
Sacchet: About the grading there's a comment and that's one for you Alyson, that staff
recommends that the swale in the southwest comer of the site be filled to reduce the height.
What swale? Can you just point out what we're talking about here?
Morris: Certainly. There's an existing swale at this location. There is a piped outlet that they're
showing here. Currently this is draining some portion off from Chaska and Mr. Minger is
actually working with those properties to ensure that they take care of their drainage, but when
looking at the details, grading plan review, looking at filling the swale and either extending or
eliminating the pipe depending on how they can alter the drainage through there, we can
eliminate the, either eliminate or reduce the height of the retaining walls required at this location.
Sacchet: Okay. Okay, thank you. Then there's another one, similar one I want to make sure I
unqerstand. It's towards the end on page 7 there. Staff recqmmends that the access for Lot 5,
property to the north align with the access to the Minger site. The eastern curb radius of this
access to Lot 5 must be adjusted to accommodate turning radius of small delivery truck. Can
you just help me to fully understand what we're saying there?
Generous: Mr. Chairman, what we're saying is that this curb for the private street coming in
come over to this point, and then the access be made like an intersection right here. And so we'll
have an island on that side and then this will all be landscaping on this side.
Sacchet: Okay. So it's not this staggered parking lot type of thing.
Generous: Right. They'll come in at the same point and then truck traffic will be directed
between the two to go to the rear and then auto traffic would come in on this side.
Sacchet: So they would be lined up.
Generous: But they'll line up, yes. These curb cuts will come all the way up. Additionally we
are looking at them providing a sidewalk from the site out to the street and that would follow the
south side of the private street, and in the future they'd have a connection to the building to the
north.
Sacchet: Thank you Bob. I think that's all the questions I have. Dan you have something?
Keefe: I've got a couple. In regards to trash removal. Where's that located in terms of the site
for trash on the building?
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Generous: Currently they don't show it anywhere on the plans so the assumption is it's interior.
If they want to put it outside they should provide a building that's, or a structure that's consistent
with the building. Through the use of landscaping create an enclosure area that's screened.
Keefe: So we don't know the answer to that.
Sacchet: You can ask the applicant.
Keefe: And then again to signage. Is this building going to be signed? I didn't see anything.
Generous: It may. They have an area on the front of the building.
Keefe: And they're allowed one sign?
Generous: Well the ordinance permits, based on the area of their unit how big a sign. Because
it's behind trees you're not going to have a lot of visibility. We anticipate there'll be a
monument out on the street frontage just maybe the building.
Keefe: Okay, that's it:
Sacchet: Any other questions of staff? Yes go ahead Kurt.
Papke: On the requirement for the additional islands and peninsulas. How do you count 6
islands and peninsulas in there right now? I'm a little confused as to how you arrive at the
number 6.
Generous: That's a good one. 1,2,3,4. I don't know...then she counted this as one area. Six.
Yeah, that would be the sixth one.
Papke: And the rationale for going to 14 in this space is?
Generous: Oh just complying with ordinance requirements because what the ordinance tries to
do is break up asphalt areas on parking and vehicular use areas so we want them to be staggered.
The applicant is actually come up with some good locations for those and we'll get before the
construction plans come in we'll get all the details worked out on that.
Papke: Okay. So you don't anticipate an issue with hitting the 14 around that?
Generous: No.
Sacchet: Alright. With that, thanks staff. We have an applicant here? If you want to come
forward. If you have anything to add. If you want to mention your name and address for the
record please.
Patrick Minger: Yes, I'm Patrick Minger. I live at 2218 Lukewood and during the meetings
today a comment was made that you know, in the PUD, in the development we can have outside
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storage and we aren't anticipating any except the, my renter is going to be moving in here. He
has erosion control supplies. That's what he sells and growing up on a farm, that's rolls of straw.
I really don't want him having rolls of straw in a building like this so I mentioned that you know
I would like to have storage outside, cold storage to put this straw in rather than have it inside. I
don't think the fire marshal would really appreciate hay inside of a public building anyway. And
so today I had him, my renter come up with what he had in mind to put that in and this is what he
came up with. Just for covering that hay outside and I plan on putting that back in this comer. I
can grab that plan. This will be an island where I propose to do, and I don't know if you can get.
Put this structure right here along the Chaska side and then put an island here with trees with an
island here looking. The only way you'll see this, that is from Lyman Boulevard. Once you put
an island here and an island off of this area with trees, you will not be able to see that at all, and
that's what we'll get, you know we're requesting 14 islands. And filling this ditch here,
extending the pipe, which we have to put in because it drains the outlot to the north. Many years
ago when we developed this, we had to install this because of the tiling... and so there is a pipe in
there now. We'll extend that down. The reason this ditch got put in, Chaska when they put the
addition on.. . ditch appeared and nobody caught it. This other lot is supposed to stay in Chaska,
so we're working that out with Chaska and so my goal is to straighten this out as staff
recommends. Extend the pipe out and extend these islands where at this point, one up here and
then aroun9 here to basically hide everything from Lyman Boulevard. Other than that I don't
have any problems with the recommendations of staff.
Sacchet: Questions of staff. I mean how do we deal with something that is not currently on the
drawing, like this shed.
Generous: That's why I requested that he put it up. Normally you would show it as a storage
area. As part of the site plan.
Keefe: Is it a permanent structure or is it a temporary structure?
Patrick Minger: Well it will be temporary because if he leaves, he'll take it down.
Sacchet: It will go.
Larson: So like the islands, are they going away?
Generous: What the PUD says it has, outdoor storage areas have to be approved as a part of any
site plan review.
Sacchet: So would this qualify as outdoor storage?
Generous: That was my interpretation that it is the type of outdoor storage. You have to provide
screening and this would be a method that he could do that. The other one would be to put up
wing walls around it or you could fencing with landscaping. There's berming. Many different
ways you can do it and he's proposing the use of landscaping with the structure.
Sacchet: And there will be enough room for circulation of trucks and all that.
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Patrick Minger: Yeah, that's pretty to north and south. They will have still plenty of room for
circulation.
Sacchet: Okay, do we have questions of the applicant? Questions of the applicant, no. Alright.
Thank you very much. Now this is a public hearing. Is there anybody that wants to comment to
this? This is your chance. Alright, I close the public hearing. Bring it back to commission.
Comments, discussion. Dan, you have something?
Keefe: I think generally, you know it's the first one in this new PUD so, and I think it looks
pretty good overall.
Sacchet: Yep. Any other comments?
McDonald: I have no comments to add to it. It appears to meet all the criteria that we talked
about before at our previous meetings and they're I think doing a fairly good job to develop a
rather difficult site so no comments.
Sacchet: Anybody else?
Zorn: No comments.
Sacchet: This side of the crowd.
Larson: Well my only question is, is this... tent. But if the city's okay with...
Generous: And that's part of the reason I wanted them to bring out at the public hearing and also
we'll bring it forward at council.
Sacchet: Was it an aluminum shed or?
Patrick Minger: No, it's canvas.
Sacchet: It's a canvas shed. So it is kind of a tent.
Larson: Similar to what they put up for special events.
Generous: Little bit more substantial than that. And it would have to comply with building
code.
Sacchet: It doesn't have requirements?
Generous: It would have to.
Sacchet: It would have to.
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Generous: Because it's larger than 120 square feet.
Sacchet: So it has to comply to building code. And we do allow a canvas type of structure like
that? Didn't we get into that before?
Generous: Well the ordinance prohibits.
Sacchet: I know we don't allow the teepee.
Generous: No, that was the use that we didn't allow. He was making that a permanent structure
when a temporary would have been permitted. Well screening is provided... Planning
Commission and Council, they can say no. We'd rather see walls around this area with a metal.
Sacchet: Do you need a roof over that straw? Because like when you start talking about it,
usually what we do with these things, we make like a wall that is like the same, we say it has to
be the same material.
Patrick Minger: You know the watershed district's new requirement is to use wrapped hay for
their erosion control. He's found a nitch in supplying that.
Sacchet: So it should be dry.
Patrick Minger: Yeah. Because the problem is you don't...
Sacchet: ...got seeds in it and they...so it needs to be covered from the rain. Okay.
Larson: Do you put it up or does he?
Patrick Minger: He. Well, I'm a utility contractor. I don't do erosion control but you know.
Larson: No, I mean the structure itself.
Patrick Minger: Oh the structure. Oh, there will be a contractor come in. The company that
sells it.
Keefe: Are you saying it has to be refrigerated?
Patrick Minger: No.
Keefe: I thought I heard something.
Sacchet: No, you heard the cold. Cold storage.
Keefe: ... that's what I heard because cold storage is actually refrigerated storage in the storage
industry so that's why I was wondering. Outdoor storage.
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Sacchet: Alright. Thank you. The one concern is definitely with that tent, as you call it.
Outdoor storage with a roof. I would certainly want to put in a stipulation that it should be
shown on the drawings when it goes to council. I think that's probably the balance point. It's
certainly not a reason to hold it up here from our angle the way I see it. But it should be defined
and shown visible when it goes to council. I would ask for that. Other than that I don't think I
have any comments. I'm glad to hear it's in line with the overall beauty framework. Looks like
I missed a good one on that one too.
Keefe: Should we add something about if they have external trash.
Sacchet: Yes. That would be a good one to say if they for trash, is that something that has to be
looked at in terms of like if there's trash, usually there's like somewhere a trash thing that.
Keefe: Must be screened from the surrounding areas.
Sacchet: Must be screened, yeah I mean there are city ordinances how that would be handled.
Since it isn't, we assume it's inside the building. Maybe you should express that. Something to
that effect. I think that's a good point Dan. And signage, is that something we need to say
anything about?
Keefe: It looks like they've already addressed it.
Patrick Minger: We have to put it out on the access road.
Sacchet: Yeah, we have probably a monument sign or something out there, yeah. Okay, so that
would be just stamped. Alright, unless there's anything else, let's do a motion.
Keefe: I'll do the motion. Planning Commission recommends approval of Site Planning Case
No. 05-27 for a 46,152 square foot office warehouse building, plans prepared by Schoell and
Madson, Inc. dated August 5,2005, subject to the following conditions, number 1 through 39
and I'd like to add number 40. To be should the building have external trash disposal, trash
containers must be properly screened from the surrounding area. And do you want to say
something else about the temporary storage?
Sacchet: Let's do a second first.
McDonald: I'll second.
Sacchet: Okay. And then if you could add 41. And I'm open to suggestion and guidance from
staff here. Do we want to make a condition that the outside storage should be shown on the
drawings and be defined before it goes to City Council. Is that a reasonable addition?
Generous: It shall be shown and approved by City Council.
Sacchet: Yeah, and it would have to be shown on this, okay. Alright.
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Keefe: Accepted.
Sacchet: Accepted. Alright. So we have a motion. We have a second. We have an addition.
Keefe moved, McDonald seconded that the Planning Commission recommends approval of
Site Plan Planning Case #05-27 for a 46,152 square foot office warehouse building, plans
prepared by Schoell and Madson, Inc., dated August 5, 2005, subject to the following
conditions:
1. The applicant shall enter into a site plan agreement with the City and provide the necessary
security to guarantee erosion control, site restoration and landscaping.
2. The building is required to have an automatic fire extinguishing system.
3. The plans must be prepared and signed by design professionals licensed in the State of
Minnesota.
4. PIV is required on the building water service.
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5. No burning permits will be issued for trees to be removed. Trees and shrubs must either be
removed from site or chipped.
6. Fire apparatus access road and water supply for fire protection is required to be installed.
Such protection shall be installed and made serviceable prior to and during the time of
construction except when approved alternate methods of protection are provided.
7. A fire apparatus access road shall be designed and maintained to support the imposed load of
fire apparatus and shall be serviced so as to provide all weather driving capabilities. Pursuant
to Minnesota Fire Code Section 503.2.3.
8. Temporary street signs shall be installed on street intersections once construction of the new
roadway allows passage of vehicles. Pursuant to 2002 Minnesota Fire code Section 501.4.
9. A lO-foot clear space must be maintained around fire hydrants, i.e., street lamps, trees,
shrubs, bushes, Xcel Energy, Qwest, cable TV and transformer boxes. This is to ensure that
fire hydrants can be quickly located and safely operated by firefighters. Pursuant to
Chanhassen City Ordinance #9-1.
10. An additional fire hydrant will be required in the island off the northeast corner of the
building. Contact Chanhassen Fire Marshal for exact location.
11. Comply with Chanhassen Fire Department/Fire Prevention Policy #29-1991 regarding
premise identification.
12. Revise the lighting plan to incorporate shielded light fixtures. Lighting shall be high-
pressure sodium.
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13. Space for recycling shall be provided in the interior of all principal structures or within an
enclosure for each lot developed in the Business Park.
14. All wetland impacts shall be mitigated in accordance with the Wetland Alteration Permit for
Chanhassen West Business Park.
15. All wetlands and proposed mitigation areas shall maintain a 16.5 - 20-foot buffer strip
around the perimeter of the wetlands.
16. Wetland buffer areas shall be preserved, surveyed and staked in accordance with the City's
wetland ordinance.
17. The applicant shall install wetland buffer edge signs, under the direction of City staff, before
construction begins and must pay the City $20 per sign.
18. All structures (including parking lots) shall maintain a 40-foot setback from the edge ofthe
wetland buffer.
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19. Silt fence shall be installed along west property edge behind retaining wall near flared end
section to minimize sediment erosion.
20. Silt fence shall be installed outside of wetland buffer edges.
21. The contractor shall use a Wimco or similar catch basin erosion control BMP.
22. All exposed soil areas shall have temporary erosion protection or permanent cover year
round, according to the following table of slopes and time frames:
Type of Slope
Steeper than 3: 1
10:1 to 3:1
Flatter than 10: 1
Time
7 days
14 days
21 days
(Maximum time an area can
remain open when the area
is not actively being worked.)
These areas include constructed storm water management pond side slopes, and any exposed
soil areas with a positive slope to a storm water conveyance system, such as a curb and gutter
system, storm sewer inlet, temporary or permanent drainage ditch or other natural or man
made systems that discharge to a surface water.
23. All erosion control measures shall be installed and maintained in accordance with City, Carver
County Water Resource Management Area and MPCA permit requirements.
24. A NPDES permit will be needed for the site and a completed SWPPP is needed for the site
and should be available at the preconstruction meeting and on site during construction.
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25. The contractor shall inspect daily all erosion control measures and perform maintenance on
BMPs as needed or required.
26. The storm water pond on Outlot A shall be constructed prior to or concurrent with the
development of this site. All storm sewer infrastructure between this site and the outlet into the
storm water pond on Outlot A shall be installed prior to or concurrent with this development.
27. The applicant shall increase the number of trees and islands/peninsulas in the parking lot to
meet minimum landscape requirements.
28. Tree protection fencing shall be installed at the grading limits prior to any construction and
remain until construction is completed.
29. The applicant shall locate additional landscaping at the southern end of the property. Native
species shall be used.
30. The existing swale west of the parking lot shall be filled in to eliminate or reduce the height
of the proposed retaining wall.
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31. Retaining walls that exceed four feet in height must be designed by an Engineer registered in
the State of Minnesota and require a building permit.
32. If feasible, the proposed storm sewer west of the parking area shall be eliminated and
rerouted to the storm sewer system to the east.
33. Disturbed areas must be restored to a minimum 3:1 grade.
34. Pipe bollards must be installed around all locations where the pavement grade exceeds 5%.
35. The eastern access to Lot 4 must align with the eastern access to Lot 5. The radius of the
access to Lot 4 must accommodate the turning movement for a small deli very truck.
36. The grey line type shown in the legend should be labeled "by others", not "existing".
37. Verify that the storm sewer on the west side of Lot 4 will be constructed with the site plan
improvements for Lot 5 or adjust the line type accordingly.
38. The main drive aisle through the site will be a private street since it serves multiple lots. As
such, the road must be a minimum of 26 feet wide, built to a 9-ton design, and enclosed
within a 40-foot wide private easement. A cross-access easement must be obtained and
recorded before building permit issuance. The developer must submit testing reports
verifying that the driveway is built to a 9-ton design.
39. A sidewalk connection to the public street must be constructed. The sidewalk shall be
installed on the west side of the eastern site access and on the south side of the private drive.
The sidewalk shall include pedestrian ramps at all curbs.
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40. Should the building have external trash disposal, trash containers must be properly
screened from the surrounding area.
41. Outside storage shall be shown and approved by City Council.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to O.
Sacchet: Good luck with this. It is scheduled to go to City Council on the 26th of September
also.
Generous: Chairman, the final plat will also go to council on that meeting too.
Sacchet: Okay. So it's going to be preliminary and final all at the same time.
Generous: No, they have preliminary already. They're just seeing the final plat.
Sacchet: Okay. Oh this is the final.
Generous:. They're approving the site plan within that plat.
Sacchet: And then the final plat is going to go at the same time, okay. Alright.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Commissioner Keefe noted the verbatim and summary minutes of the Planning Commission
meeting dated August 2, 2005 as presented.
Commissioner Zorn noted the minutes of the Planning Commission work session meeting dated
August 16,2005 as presented.
Chairman Sacchet adjourned the meeting at 9:10 p.m.
Submitted by Kate Aanenson
Community Development Director
Prepared by Nann Opheim
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