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PRC 2005 11 22 CHANHASSEN PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 22, 2005 Chairman Stolar called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Paula Atkins, Tom Kelly, Ann Murphy, Glenn Stolar, and Steve Scharfenberg. Kevin Dillon arrived during discussion of the 2006 picnic reservation fees. MEMBERS ABSENT: Jack Spizale STAFF PRESENT: Todd Hoffman, Park and Rec Director; and Jerry Ruegemer, Recreation Superintendent APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Murphy moved, Kelly seconded to approve the agenda amended to include review enclosed development memos, Surface Water Management Task Force update and Eden Prairie referendum. All voted in favor and the motion carried. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS: Hoffman: Tree lighting ceremony. Saturday, 5:00. The entire park will be lit up. Not just a single tree. rd Stolar: That’s the 3. rd Hoffman: Saturday the 3. And then Breakfast with Santa the following morning at the recreation center. Stolar: And then for those of you who aren’t familiar, Rotary’s going to be doing a fundraiser rdth also on the night of the 3, beginning of the 4, to raise money for the earthquake victims in Pakistan and heating assistance here from the CAP program. And that will be an overnight camping at the rec center. It was going to be City Center. They moved it to the rec center. Hoffman: Front lawn, yep. Stolar: Front lawn of the rec center. So if you’re sitting, camping or sponsoring it, because what the tents are going to do is raise money for what they call these packs which provide the people of Pakistan with a tent and things to keep them warm and sheltered. I don’t know if it had food in it. I can’t remember. Hoffman: Survival for 3 months. $900 bucks a piece. There’s a tent, 9 sleeping bags, food and water, and heat for 3 months. Stolar: And there should be some stuff coming out soon in the press and so half the money they raise will go to buying those. Half will go to CAP for home energy assistance, and then the ones, Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 the packs we send to Pakistan will have a plaque, if someone buys a whole one, it will have their name. Compliments of their name. If they don’t, it’s compliments of Chanhassen, Minnesota. Murphy: What date is that? rd Stolar: December 3. The tree lighting ceremony’s here. The camping’s going to be at the rec th center, in front of the rec center and then Breakfast with Santa on the 4 is at the rec center, correct? Hoffman: So all these campers will get up out of their tents and walk into Santa. Stolar: …whether I’m going to put a tent out there or not. Couldn’t get anyone in my family to join so. No takers so. Any other public announcements? Okay. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS: None. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:Murphy moved, Scharfenberg seconded to approve the verbatim and summary minutes of the Park and Recreation Commission meeting dated October 25, 2005 as presented. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to 0. 2006 PICNIC RESERVATION FEES. Ruegemer: Thank you Chair Stolar. Good evening commission. We review the annual picnic reservation fees every year about this time. We kind of take a look at, look back at our summer activity. Kind of what we’ve had and also look to the future to kind of see where we’d like to make any changes, if necessary within the fee structure. We did talk about the group picnic, kind of evaluations at last month. I provided that information again attached to the packet and staff report this month. I also, and that you can kind of track, you know kind of who is booking the reservations, resident, non-resident, business, non-resident business, that sort of thing. It’s still my belief that our current fees are reasonable and should remain the same for 2006. So it is staff’s recommendation that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend to the City Council that the 2006 group picnic reservation fees remain the same as 2005. Stolar: Questions? Kevin. Dillon: No questions. I think these are reasonable suggestions. Stolar: Ann? Murphy: No questions. Stolar: Tom? Kelly: No. 2 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 Stolar: Paula? Atkins: No. Stolar: Steve? I just have one. Would it make your life any easier to do changes for the Lake Ann Parkview or Park Lakeside given that we only had one reservation for each, or is this fine? It doesn’t matter keeping it the same makes it just as easy for you? Ruegemer: That doesn’t make any difference really truly. When we look to the future, when we do add, you know hopefully some type of a covered shelter up in that area, I think the picnic reservations will definitely pick up but it’s really not a bother the way it is right now. Stolar: Okay. Alright. Can I have a motion to approve recommendation. Scharfenberg: Motion to approve staff’s recommendation for 2006 group reservation fees. Murphy: Second. Stolar: Moved by Commissioner Scharfenberg, seconded by Commissioner Murphy. Any further discussion? Scharfenberg moved, Murphy seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission recommend that the City Council approve the 2006 group picnic reservation fees remain at the same level as 2005. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. 2005 PARK AND TRAIL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM REPORT. Hoffman: Thanks Chair Stolar, members of the commission. The first items that I’ll list out speak to the playground refurbishments or replacements. For the most part they’re done with the exception of the Lake Susan Park being in need of the poured in place resilient surfacing which will come in the spring. The site, if you’ve been down there, looks nearly complete with the exception of that and we have a temporary construction fence for safety reasons until the…is in place. The other item, and I’ll take questions after we’re done. Picnic tables and park benches,. We purchased recycled planks. We use those to a large extent throughout the system and we replace wood tables with recycled picnic table planks. Trees. We’ve purchased some trees and moved trees. The boy scout trees that were installed at Lake Susan were purchased with those dollars. Old Village Hall courtyard improvements. If you haven’t had a chance to step down, take a look. It’s largely complete. The shop drawings were in for the railings on the new front step, which is a ramp system, and then in the spring our crews will be completing some landscaping. The site is home to the Chamber of Commerce in the Old Village Hall building. One of our historic buildings in town. It has been moved. Originally it was across the street. th Actually plunked right in the middle of West 78 Street just to the south and west of there. But the folks at the Chamber are very pleased with the new improvements and it’s going to look quite nice when it’s fully complete. Flip over the page, the Chanhassen Community Gardens expanded. Not quite doubled but large expansion and thanks to a cooperative effort from our 3 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 sewer and water department, our parks department and our community development departments, I don’t think we spent just a few dollars on some piping for the project so much of that work that had originally we had anticipated being contractual work was done in-house. And then lastly the off leash dog park contribution was $20,000 last year. That’s been increased in your CIP request for 2006 to $50,000. We had sod scheduled. The contractor failed to show up. That was on the playground projects. However yesterday I saw a very large sod truck heading down towards Rice Marsh area, so I’m making the assumption that they were headed towards the playground. I don’t know that to be sure, unless somebody was sodding their yard. And then the 2005 playground replacement projects were anticipated to come in under budget. I’m not sure that it’s going to be quite $25,000. I reviewed that in some detail today. It’s down to about $19,000. Then the Chamber of Commerce contributed $1,000 towards the Old Village Hall projects so that was very welcomed in the City Council. They accepted their contribution a couple of weeks ago at a City Council meeting. So there’s a quick year in review. If commissioners have questions on any particular projects, I’ll be happy to answer them. Stolar: Steve? Scharfenberg: No questions. Atkins: What kind of furniture’s going at the Old Village Hall courtyard. Hoffman: It will be identical to the benches that we have here and the trash receptacles that we have at this park. So it’s the same pavers. It will be the same kind of benches. The black, wrought iron benches. Atkins: It looks beautiful. Hoffman: Have you seen it? Atkins: Oh yeah. Kelly: What happened with the poured in place at Lake Susan? Was that supposed to be done this fall? Did they kind of get behind or something? Hoffman: We had hoped to get it done, but we ran into a bidding issue and so we were over $62,000 in rubber and we needed to bid that and we didn’t have the time to do that so we’ll bid it this winter. Anything over $50,000 has to be publicly bid so. Stolar: I have one quick question on, I thought we had done some trails this year. Didn’t we? Lay some trails also. Hoffman: Not as a part of our budget. We put some trails in, Lake Lucy. The trail along Lake Lucy was constructed as a part of the road. Stolar: Oh that’s what it was, okay. Because it was part of the street. 4 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 Hoffman: Part of the street project. Stolar: Well again I just think we had a great year. Your team did a lot. Dale’s group just did a ton of work on this. Coming in under budget was because they worked it really hard to get those things done and appreciate it. Hoffman: Thanks. Murphy: Question about for the off leash dog area. We, our next step is to just stay in contact with Carver and do we let them know that we’re, I mean have we formally let them know what’s in our budget or? Hoffman: First step is to see what the council will do with the budget before the end of the year and what they obligate as far as the 2006 and then we’ll continue to communicate with Marty down at Carver County. Murphy: Are we going to let them know the dollar figure? Hoffman: (Yes). Murphy: Okay. Stolar: And to clarify, it’s still. Hoffman: $30,000. Stolar: $30,000 as long as they come up with the other 10, assuming it’s still a $40,000 project and they’ll get back to us when they know more. Dillon: No questions. Just a compliment on the work that’s been done. I mean I’ve been to a few of the new playgrounds. They’re great so work well done. Hoffman: It was a good year. They’re still out there working. Stolar: Okay. I don’t believe any action is required so thank you. RECREATION PROGRAM REPORTS: 2005 HALLOWEEN PARTY EVALUATION. Ruegemer: I want to thank you again all the commissioners that were there that night helping out. You saw first hand the fruits of our labor. There were 700 parents and kids there again for the event so, it didn’t seem to be as busy this year. It seemed to be just sort of a nice flow with that. The entertainment was real good this year. The hayrides, Ken Theis does a great job with that and his wife Mary. They’re very dependable. Do a wonderful job. Have nice horses and good equipment so it’s a real safe environment for our participants out there. The games and that 5 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 in the gym is always a big hit with the face painting, the free games. It seems like every kid goes home with a bag full of candy and a bag full of trinkets so I think everybody was happy at the end of the night with that so. Volunteers again, we did have volunteers again from the Key Club. I think about half showed up that were supposed to but it still was okay. It still seemed to work out just fine with that so. And Charlie, to the park maintenance crew always do a great job getting things done ahead of time and setting up the day before and Charlie’s always there with his family the night of and Rick Rice was there. Karen Engelhardt was there from our city staff to help out with pictures this year, which was a great asset for us to have expertise there staffing the computers where maybe I’m not the expert on that certain, particular area so it’s nice to have their work with that so. And just some general comments. It seemed like the lobby was set up fairly well with a lot of people, a lot of people you know did sign up at the event that night too so it’s, we’re always going to welcome people to do that as well, Get more people involved. And just traffic really seemed to flow really good this year with everything so. Another good event. Corey’s last event so go out with a bang. But other than that, thanks again to everybody who helped out that night. Appreciate you being there. Murphy: The only thing I noticed was, a couple of my neighbors wanted to come and they saw on the web site that it said you had to pre-register so they figured they couldn’t come. And they told me that after or I would have told them that they could have, but I don’t know if they’re the only ones that thought that. Ruegemer: We’ll have to change that wording on the web site. We encourage people to pre- register but we’ll certainly accept them at the door obviously, yeah. Stolar: Do you know if Lifetime had any impact, because they had a big party that same day? I mean because attendance was down a little. Murphy: Their’s was earlier though. Stolar: But it was a lot of fun. Kids we saw were smiling and laughing so they had a good time. Okay, thanks. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS: RESIGNATION OF COREY HOEN, RECREATION SUPERVISOR. Ruegemer: Okay, just as the commission saw under item 5(a), the resignation of Corey. Corey was with us 5 years and did a wonderful job with all of our special events and youth programs and the rink programs. He was always here to work and did a great job while he was with us. Well liked within the community as I’m finding out now that after he’s gone. People are very sad that he’s gone and he really was very friendly to all the business community. The Chamber members. City staff. There’s a lot of people with teary eyes when he announced that he was th leaving so. The deadline for his position was last Friday, the 18 and we did receive around 59 resumes and applications for his position so we’re currently going through those and kind of sorting through and reviewing those to see who we’re going to bring in for interviews for that so. Hopefully we’ll be, it may not be next week now but the first part of the following week. 6 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 Scharfenberg: Where’d Corey go? Ruegemer: Corey took a job in the private sector at kind of a recruiting firm. He’s going to be essentially a head hunter. Finding people jobs in sales field. Down in Chaska so. Quite a shock to me. I didn’t know that he was really looking all that much but. Hoffman: He got recruited. Stolar: He wasn’t actually looking as much as he was being sought. Atkins: Is he done? th Ruegemer: Yeah. He was done the 10 I think of November. Atkins: I’m just curious because Jack’s got an application in to do rink attendant. Ruegemer: That would be I. Yeah I think he saw his application in there so. I think Corey, did Corey talk to him prior to him leaving? Atkins: Yes. Ruegemer: And did he hire him? Atkins: Yes. Ruegemer: Okay. I’m still kind of sifting through kind of who is who and that sort of thing but I’ve been busy with sponsorship and Feb Fest and newsletter items and rinks and all kinds of things so my day’s been going by very fast. Stolar: Are you going to be looking for any input from us on this? This isn’t one of the positions where you guys ask us to. Hoffman: Just FYI. Stolar: Yeah. Well 59 resumes seems like nice. Little more work for you but a nice testament to the park staff that so many people want to join. Dillon: Are they all local? Ruegemer: No. There’s some from Texas. Some out east. Dillon: How do you realize that? 7 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 Ruegemer: Web site. Through our newsletter, Recreation and Park Association. We send out e- mails through our association. The League of Minnesota Cities. Mainly internet web based. We don’t do any employment ads anymore as far as newspaper. Murphy: No Monster or anything like that? Huh. Ruegemer: We haven’t done an employment ad in a newspaper for probably 5 years, 6 years maybe. Been a long time. Hoffman: The professional trade journal gets a lot of activity as well. People look on the web. Stolar: Any other questions? Just a comment, we’ll miss Corey. He’s done a great job and wish him well. Hoffman: Thanks. Atkins: Will he be coming to Jack’s thing maybe? Hoffman: Maybe. We’re inviting him back to all the holiday parties so people can say goodbye. If we go ahead and skip over item 5(b). I think we’ll adjourn and come on down and take a look at those items on the table and then pick up the other items first. Stolar: Okay, sounds good. We don’t have that much more. COMMISSION MEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS: Stolar: I think I’m the only committee now which is the Surface Water Management Plan. We’ve had 4 of our 6 meetings, although we decided that we’ll probably need a seventh. We’re running a little bit behind schedule. Basically what we’re doing is setting out goals for surface water management. Policies to support those goals and then standards to allow us to then act against the policies and the goals. The bottom line I think for this group, and by representation on the board, it’s an interesting issue that has hit us quite a bit. Curry Farms Park has been flooded a few times. With having two, what they call 100 year flood events within the same year, and 100 year flood events only mean that in general they expect it to happen once every 100 years so it doesn’t mean you can’t have it 6 times in a year. So I think that that was interesting and caused us to focus a lot more on the water quantity issue as opposed to the water quality issues. Because those seem to be the more difficult. What it means for parks and rec though I think is I’d like to see us work, which we probably already are doing but even more so with Lori in doing some of the best practices that will come out of this session, out of this task force and start showing some of them in our parks. So for example things that are, it’s more of a guideline than a policy but that we should try to show best practices in city areas so if that means using natural plantings versus grass to do that, so that it has a better infiltration and cleansing. So those are, that’s one thing that I think we’ll see in the city we’re going to try and do more. And then I think a lot of that started with like the Lake Susan stuff we did already where we did some of the plantings along there with Jill and Lori and such. Second thing though that I think that’s interesting is, we’re also trying to classify water bodies in the city based on their usage and 8 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 their importance and I hope that, we’re starting to talk about this but I hope what’s going to come out of this is, we’re going to try and figure out what uniqueness we might want to apply to the seminary fen area. And again these are guidelines. That aren’t hard and fast rules but we’re trying to do this classification and one of the highest level classification would be pristine and seminary fen would be the only one classified there, so hopefully that will help keep that going and try to help in that area. Again within the legal limits of ordinances and property owner rights and such, we can follow those but at least it recognizes the importance of that area. So hopefully, it’s been an interesting activity. Any questions on it? And we’re far from having any deliverables. We’ve been going through the goals and policies and standards and we’re going to do another iteration next month and then final report that we’ll review, that’s why we added a meeting. We probably won’t be able to review it until February. Atkins: Is this like an extension of the Environmental Commission too? Stolar: Well the Environmental Commission’s on it and park and rec and planning are the three commissions, plus I think, and Bethany Ferguson from City Council and then 3 at large members. What it is, you’re supposed to actually have these plans updated every 5 years. It’s been 10 years or 11. It was ’94 when this was put in. I think it’s a federal standard actually. Might be, I can’t remember if it’s state or federal that says you have to have a surface water, local surface water management plan, and so part of what we’re doing is saying every year you should update this under a 5 year horizon. So you look out at this, kind of like the capital improvement approach. Looking at for the next 5 years. And a couple of other things would be, that are new this time are financing wasn’t included in the last plan. Now we’re talking about how you finance some of these things, which most of it would come through the water charges. You have a storm water fee already attached. Hoffman: You see it on your water bill. Stolar: Right. And I guess the other major thing that was very clear in these meetings that kind of after the fourth meeting we said yeah, this is probably true, is public education seems to be one of the biggest areas that we think there’s a lot that can be done. Just public awareness of things you do if you’re in a lakeshore home, property that you don’t realize that by doing this you’re actually making things worst, even if you think you’re making it better. I got lost in some of the technical discussion about what was going on there but it was interesting. So yeah, if we want to try and do more, and that may involve having multiple commissions allow, in helping try to promote best practices. Atkins: Do you deal with like for wake issue? Recreational vehicles and. Stolar: Yeah, that was one of the things that the City Council kind of got pulled into that very quickly because of the situations on Lotus Lake that they, you know they were getting the calls to say if you want to create, if a resident wants a no wake zone because of the high water, the City Council actually has to pass, it has to meet in a special meeting and Bethany was saying they got a call like one Friday at, I don’t know late at night or something saying hey we need to do something because the storm hit. And what City Council’s looking at is doing a more of an 9 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 efficient way of handling then they have to call for a special session for no wake. But yeah, that’s a big part of it, especially this year. Atkins: Big year for water. Stolar: It was. It was interesting. But you know what, I, obviously recognizing the unfortunate situation some people with flooding and all, when you’re doing this plan and now it is top of mind of people that this is an important thing, that’s actually a good thing for the planning because I don’t think we would have gotten the attention that we’re getting now had that not occurred because it would have been oh yeah okay. Yeah, we’ve got to worry about 100 year floods. Well when you see 2 of them within a span of a month, you start saying yeah. We probably got to worry about those. And so it’s actually brought this issue to the forefront. Hoffman: Many city staffers spent that month simply dealing with water issues all the way up and down from lawn employees to the city manager. That was a big month. Stolar: So it’s definitely been a learning experience, no doubt about that. Hoffman: A side note to the fen. There are six 41 river crossing options being studied right now. Two of them highly affect the fen property. One of them kind of side swipes it. And there are people that are very concerned about that but then you look at the other three alternatives, which are further south and west, and they go right through State DNR and federal property. Federal properties so there are, none of these six alternatives are easy to get through so keep an eye out for that. It will be in the news. The last time this was studied in earnest was in 1973-74 and I think it was in ’74 that they dropped it for lack of funding so here we are some 32 years later back on the planning schedule. I would probably estimate at this time that sometime in the next 20 years you’ll see that bridge crossing constructed. And meeting today with some MnDot officials, it will be likely at least twice as long as the Bloomington Ferry bridge with it’s span and maybe some move to even make double the size of the span which doubles the cost of your bridge but it has less impact with the wetland areas on the east side. Big topic of discussion now that 212 is put to rest, the Highway 41 river crossing is the next one. We estimate by, I don’t recall the exact date but probably we’re estimating out, it will be 14 hours of gridlock on 101 and on 41 in that time period that they’re looking at so 14 hours a day will be gridlock to get across those two crossings without that river crossing expansion. Scharfenberg: What’s a fen again? Hoffman: Calcareous fen. Is an area, the soils and water that is percolating up out of the ground. Calcareous refers to the minerals there and the fen area is a unique wetland. …continues to bubble up out of the ground and we have one right here in Chanhassen. Dillon: Yeah, where is it again? If we want to go check it out. Hoffman: Best way to check it out is to park at the trail head on Bluff Creek Drive. So there’s the railroad trail and on Bluff Creek Drive and just before you come to the intersection of Highway 212, on your left hand side is a trail head. Park there and then walk to the west and 10 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 you’ll be able to overlook the seminary fen right there. It’s private property so you can’t access it but you can see the whole thing from the top of that railroad grade and you can walk all the way to Chaska on that Highway 212 and that grade. Scharfenberg: Who owns it? Hoffman: Emerald Properties, MnDot’s the holder. Owns the property. Dillon: And is, I mean can they do with it as they see fit or is that? Hoffman: That’s what Chair Stolar is talking about, they could develop it, sure. They can develop it. They can’t develop the fen obviously, it’s a wetland area but… Stolar: It’s like, I can’t remember, it’s like 160 acres total of which 90 is developable. They can develop so 70 is, would be wetland and, but they could go right up to it. Hoffman: The DNR is trying to, they’ve been attempting to acquire it but public entities are restricted from buying things over appraised value and they’ve offered them the appraised value and that’s about a million dollars short of what they want so the State can’t offer them any more money so, they’re locked out of buying it. Scharfenberg: So is there any value for them as a, like a tourist attraction or anything like that? I mean is there any other uses for the thing? Hoffman: Well historically it was the mud cure sanitarium so they used the mud and the minerals there in the 1900’s as a sort of a health spa. There was a gentleman that owned it previously that looked at that actually. Recreating the sanitarium that was there. It failed and that building was actually burned down so. There was some interest in that. Scharfenberg: How long has Emerald owned it? Hoffman: Oh 6 or 8 years. Stolar: In fact actually the development there is commercial I believe. Commercial industrial. That’s what it’s zoned at I believe. Hoffman: Yeah… Stolar: That’s what we were talking about and actually at one point the DNR also looked at essentially building…new headquarters so that they could take care of things while they’re there too, and that didn’t pan out either. They lost the funding I guess. Whether the current administration had cut that out of their capital funding when it was up there, so it was kind of a couple different ways to try, you know that way the owners could develop it but at least it’s owned by the State or the building itself is owned by the State so they’ll be taking care of it but it hasn’t worked out yet. So we’ll see. See where it goes. The bigger issue is really for the 11 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 highway, for the crossing. That’s really the bigger issue right now. We talked about maybe taking a trip there so maybe in the spring maybe we’ll take a trip there. Atkins: I walked it with the Environmental Commission one time. It was really fun. Interesting. Stolar: Actually it’d be nice to invite Jill or somebody to go with us. Hoffman: The DNR people are very knowledgeable about it. They know all the plant species… Stolar: Is the commission up for a field trip in the spring? That’d be great. Okay. COMMISSION MEMBER PRESENTATIONS: Stolar: The only thing I was saying for the Eden Prairie referendums, they had four of them for parks and rec. Three passed. For the life of me I can’t remember what the third was but we know one was a community center expansion. One was land acquisition and I guess the third one was the park and trail maintenance fund. So land acquisition and park and trail maintenance fund. What didn’t pass was improvements to the pool within the community center to make it more viable for competitive swimming. The Eden Prairie high school uses it for additional meets… Atkins: So what are they expanding the community center? Stolar: Well they’re going to redo, I mean it’s been around a while and they’re going to look at the locker rooms, redoing those. Maybe expanding the fitness facilities. Some of those things. I’m almost sure it did not include adding a third sheet of ice. I don’t think that was part of the referendum. Atkins: That’s what I was wondering. Ruegemer: General face lift. Stolar: It’s interesting because it’s funny, you may remember, they tried to bundle that with a water park 2 years ago and put it all on one, was it $40 million bonding. Something like that. Something very large and it lost almost 2 to 1 I believe. And these passed, you know a decent margin. Not a great margin but a decent one for the ones that passed. ADMINISTRATIVE PACKET: Stolar: Did you want to talk a little bit about your development memos? Just highlight. Hoffman: First one is a report concerning Stonefield. Stonefield is property purchased, if you, for those who have been on top of the hill at Power Hill Park, you look straight across that one field that was soy beans I think this year and that’s basically the property that they’re looking. Add 30 homes. When we review these, which are administrative in review or fairly standard. It’s typically that there is a park service area already established. If we’re talking about new 12 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 development where we’re seeking to acquire parks, and we’ll be bringing those back to the commission such as will be the case in the MUSA area. So in the MUSA subdivisions come in you’ll be seeing those as a commission. Talking about well, what each revenue’s going to do for parks and trails in that area and working with the developers needs. In this particular case it’s basically one street heading down through the property with homes on the left and the right. We’re asking them to build a, they have Power Hill Park as a neighborhood park. The one deterrent that I noted there is that walking from the bottom of that hill to the top of the park will deter some activity on a daily basis because that will be exercise in itself. To get to the playground at the top of the park. Very hilly site. Scharfenberg: Where is Power Hill Park? Hoffman: Power Hill Park is off of Flamingo Trail. In southern Chanhassen. It’s part of the Lake Susan Hills development. Dillon: Between Audubon and Powers. Hoffman: It’s a neat park so, somewhat secluded. It’s tucked back into a neighborhood so it’s a very interesting park site. And the trail, there’s a gas pipeline there that will have an easement and they’ll make a trail connection through that gas pipeline easement into the park, and then at a future time one of our capital items will be adding some connections to that. Pedestrian asphalt connections down through Power Hill that makes it a little bit more functional. We have one off of Bluebill and one off of Mallard Court, and that will be the third one which will connect some of those to the future project. So it’s our recommendation to the council that they have a conditional of approval for full park fees in lieu of land acquisition and development. And 30 lots at $4,000, that would be $120,000 to go to the park fund for future development. Stolar: Todd just so you know, the reason I wanted this on the agenda, I didn’t really need for you to necessarily go through each one unless commissioners have questions. But just to highlight that we have proposed developments going on that will create park dedication fees for us and anything you want to highlight on these. I just want to make sure the commissioners were aware of these. So if there’s anything specific, in particular about these next ones that you’re, you want us to highlight or be aware of. Hoffman: Bluff Creek Twin Homes. 18 lot subdivision. And it’s near Bandimere Park. The second S curve on 101. Well actually it’s the big S curve on 101. It’s the Klein property so the house there, just off to the west. And that is going to be developed into these 18 twin homes. So they’ll have good access to trails and parks but they’ll be somewhat isolated in the neighborhood from, because of Lyman and north side of 101 on the east side there. So again their park charge is at $4,000 per unit. It will be $72,000. And Orchard Green is a smaller, up off of Herman Field Park. It’s a four lot subdivision and again direct access to Herman Field Park. Then they have a trail section in that part of the community where they access it on Highway 7, which that area of the city has been very fortunate…that trail system. In the future they’ll be able to make a loop around Lake Minnewashta as well as sometime on down the future with the need for a trail on Highway 5 and 41. 13 Park and Rec Commission – November 22, 2005 Stolar: Thank you. Any questions for Todd on this? Okay. I believe we’ve covered everything. Hoffman: Now let’s recess and adjourn. Stolar: Okay, so we can go see the Highway 212/312. The commission recessed to review the TH 212/312 and TH 101 south gap project trail designs. Stolar: Okay, we’ll re-adjourn, or take back my recess. Thank you for the presentation on the Highways 212/312 and 101 south gap projects. Any further questions for Todd on those? No? Alright, then we move on to adjournment. Is there a motion to adjourn? Scharfenberg moved, Murphy seconded to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 6 to 0. The Park and Recreation Commission meeting was adjourned. 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