1984 02 08
Planning Commission Minutes
Regular Meeting
February 8, 1984
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Members Present
Jim Thompson, Susan Albee, Ladd Conrad, Bill Ryan and Mike
Thompson.
Members Absent
Tom Merz and Howard Noziska.
Staff Present
Bob Waibel, City Planner and Vicki Churchill, Secretary.
Chairman Conrad called the meeting to order at 7:38 p.m.
Subdivision Variance Request, 495 Lakota Lane, Maynard Happe,
Public Hearing.
Public Present
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David Teich
Maynard Happe
Neil Klingelhutz
Brian Klingelhutz
Al Klingelhutz
10151 Great Plains Blvd., Chaska
495 Lakota Lane
8601 Great Plains Blvd.
8407 Great Plains Blvd.
8601 Great Plains Blvd.
Waibel stated that this was a request for variance approval to sub-
divide the property into 3 unsewered single family detached lots.
The proposal requires variances on all lot since the depth proposed
is greater than two times the width as well as respective variances
of 22 feet and 28 feet for parcels 2 and 3 to the requirement that
unsewered lots be 180 feet wide at the building setback line. He
stated that the primary concerns were whether or not septic system
problems experienced by the existing residence can be remedied and
whether or not such problems may be symptomatic to the area
resulting in system failure for future residences constructed on
the proposed parcels. He advised the applicant to consider
shifting the proposed easterly property line of parcel 3 a few feet
further to the east as this would result in the benefit of greater
flexibility in the placement of a residence on the property while
reducing the possible need to go through the variance process.
Also the applicant requests a variance to record the property
with a metes and bounds description to which staff is recommending
denial. Waibel stated that platting is a standard procedure for
the subdivision of property.
Maynard Happe:
then result in
home on parcel
He stated that
He felt that moving the lot line on parcel 3 would
the same problem with parcel 2. He would like the
2 to be able to be built in the middle of the lot.
when the surveyor worked on the subdivision, the
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surveyor felt that it was the best layout for the property and also
that a metes and bounds description was just as good as RLS or lots
and blocks. Mr. Happe also stated that he will get percolation
tests done when the snow melts.
Waibel stated that Mr. Happe would have to submit the request to
build the home in the middle of parcel 2 to the Board of
Adjustments and Appeals for a variance at the time a building
permit is taken out.
S. Albee moved, seconded by J. Thompson to close the public
hearing. All voted in favor and the motion carried.
The Commissioners wanted to know how if the City would be liable
for failing septic systems. They felt they could not make a
recommendation because there were no percolation tests done. They
noted that there were 5 variances to be dealt with on the sub-
division.
M. Thompson moved, seconded by J. Thompson that the Planning
Commission deny the request based on there being 5 variances
requested, 201 study results were "marginal to failing" on the
existing septic system and that the applicant wants to record the
property in metes and bounds. J. Thompson, S. Albee, B. Ryan and
M. Thompson voted in favor. L. Conrad voted nay. Motion carried.
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*On February 22, 1984 the Planning Commission added the following
statement to the above recommendation, "Commissioners J. Thompson
and Albee stated that they are still unhappy about the allowing
of 2t acre subdivisions in the unsewered areas."
Final Development plan Amendment, street and Easement Vacation
Request, Near Mountain P.R.D., Lundgren Brothers, Public Hearing.
Public Present
Rick Denman
Sherman Goldberg
Dennis Mulvey
Peter Pflaum
Nancy Osgood
Alan Kramer
Lundgren Brothers
Lundgren Brothers
Lundgren Brothers
Lundgren Brothers
745 Pleasant View Road
531 Indian Hill Road
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Waibel stated that the request is for final plan amendment and
street and utility easement vacation approval for the Near Mountain
P.R.D. He noted that in review of this request a discrepancy in the
number of units was discovered. Apparently the preliminary plat
showed only 134 family units as opposed to the previously
approved 144 units. The amendment request is an increase in pro-
ject area from 147 acres to 153 acres and a denisty increase of
.07 units per acre. He stated that staff finds that the reduced
average lot size is minor as well as the overall project density
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change of 1.94 to 2.01 units per acre. He stated that the pro-
posed gross density is .2 units below the minimum density
prescribed in the Comprehensive Plan which states the low density
residential areas shall have a density range of 2.2 to 3.4 units
per acre.
Waibel stated that the City Engineer indicated that the street
and easement vacations are of no detriment to the City and result
in overall improvement to the plan.
The applicants had a slide presentation and were available to
any answer questions.
J. Thompson moved, seconded by B. Ryan to close the public hearing.
All voted in favor and the motion carried.
J. Thompson moved, seconded by S. Albee that the Planning
Commission recommends approval of the Final Development Plan
Amendment and street and utility easaement vacations as depicted on
the Sathre Bergquist, Inc. proposed amended plan for Near Mountain
and the Sathre Bergquist, Inc. legal descriptions of proposed
street, utility and drainage easement vacations dated received
February 2, 1984.
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J. Thompson, S. Albee, L. Conrad, B. Ryan all voted in favor.
M. Thompson abstained. Motion carried.
Subdivision Variance Sketch Plan Review, Northeast and Northwest
Corners of Intersection of Co. Rd. 17 (Powers Blvd.) and Co. Rd.
18, Brian and Neil Klingelhutz.
Waibel stated that this is a sketch plan review to subdivide 10
detached single family residential unsewered lots. The property
has moderate to severe slope conditions which require the pro-
perty to have four accesses, two of which are onto Co. Rd. 17 and
two onto Co. Rd. 18. The County and City Engineers conclude that
due to the slope limitations of the property, the accesses as
proposed are probably acceptable, however, no additional future
accesses should be allowed.
Waibel noted that the preliminary plat must demonstrate that
future building sites will be designed to allow for site con-
ditions proper for home construction, driveway access, and pri-
vated septic system, drainfield and well installation according
to the City Engineer and the Soil Conservation Service.
After review of the sketch plan the Commissioners encouraged the
applicants to prepare the preliminary plat with the following
suggestions:
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1. To reconfigure two lots to conform with the ordinance stan-
dard of 2.5 acres in the unsewered area to eliminate land
variances.
2. To take precautionary measures to minimize erosion in the
area.
Approval of Minutes
S. Albee moved, seconded by B. Ryan to approved the minutes of
November 30, 1983 and January 11, 1984 as written. All voted in
favor and the motion carried.
Meeting adjourned at 10:05 p.m.
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