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1983 08 10 e PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 10, 1983 MEMBERS PRESENT Jim Thompson, Tom Merz, Susan Albee, Bill Ryan and Mike Thompson. MEMBERS ABSENT Ladd Conrad and Howard Noziska. STAFF PRESENT Bob Waibel, City Planner and Vicki Churchill, Secretary. Mike Thompson called the meeting to order, in the absence of Chairman Conrad, at 7:30 p.m. Replat Request, Two Single Family Residential Lots, Lot 1, Block 1, Minnewashta Creek First Addition, David Hanisch, Public Hearing. Public Present David Hanisch Ruth Menton Julie Gay 6560 Minnewashta Parkway 6630 Minnewashta Parkway Carver County Herald - Waibel presented the staff report and stated that the request was to subdivide the property to create a single family detached residential building site to the south of the existing residence. He also stated that the subdivision of this lot would meet all the requirements of the ordinances and required setbacks. Waibel also added that the existing residence has a horseshoe type driveway with its southerly alignment accessing Minnewashta Parkway at a point approximately 30 feet south of the proposed Lot 2. He stated that if this access is planned to continue to be used by the existing residence, the applicant should be advised that appropriate access easement arrangements should be made. Waibel also wanted the Planning Commission to note that staff received a letter from a neighbor, Vince Decker, expressing his opposition to this replat request. David Hanisch: I don't think there is any validity in Mr. Decker's statement about decreasing the value of his property because he won't be able to see the lake. Two homes were built right in front of my view of the lake and I don't think it has decreased the value of my property at all. e Tom Merz: will both accesses be off of your cul-de-sac or are you splitting the property on Minnewashta? David Hanisch: Minnewashta Parkway is my access. e Planning Commission Minutes August 10, 1983 Page 2 David Hanisch: Mr. Decker's back yard abuts my lot. He lives on Leslee Curve. So if I hurt any of his view looking on Lake Minnewashta it would be from his back yard. Tom Merz: He has an option to buy the property? David Hanisch: He has already expressed that interest. Tom Merz: Is it for sale? David Hanisch: Well I don't know what I'm going to do with it. Originally I was going to build a house on there and sell it. I'm not certain right now. Ruth Menton: I am two lots away from the Hanisch's and I'm representing the Riley's and the Decker's tonight. Neither one of the families could be here due to other obligations and we are opposed to this property being divided because we do not believe that it fits in with the other properties that is around there. It's just a long strip basically. They may have the square footage but it is a very narrow strip and it's not going to aesthetically fit in the neighborhood. - David Hanisch: My lot is 2 acres and I have the biggest lot on the whole side of the block. The lot that is going to be broken off is larger than anyone of the three (Menton's, Riley's or Decker's) lots. Ruth Menton: I would agree with that, but I guess because of the way it is being sudivided, I am concerned with that. I realize it meets the requirements of the square footage, it's just the narrowness, it's just a very unusual shape. I suppose you could squeeze a house in there, a real modern type that goes the length' of it. I think that's more what we are concerned with is what is going to end up in there. S. Albee moved, seconded by B. Ryan, to close the public hearing, all voted in favor and the motion carried. The Commissioners felt that both lot sizes were adequate for the neighborhood, and that he could be asking to subdivide down to 17,000 or 18,000 square feet instead of 26,000. e J. Thompson moved, seconded by s. Albee to recommend approval of the Preliminary Plat for Minnewashta Creek Fourth Addition as depicted on Lot Surveys Co. Inc. Preliminary Plat dated received Chanhassen Community Development Department July 20, 1983 with the condition that a sewer and water unit assessment be placed on proposed Lot 2, Block 1 as per the North Service Area Public Improvement Project Policy. Planning Commission Minutes August 10, 1983 Page 3 tit Residential Area Identification Sign Variance Request, Pleasant Hill Addition, Curt Ostrom. Public Present Mr. & Mrs. Curt Ostrom Waibel explained that the applicant is seeking a sign location and height variance for the residential area identification sign for the Pleasant Hills Addition. The sign is proposed to be located in the right-of-way at the southwest corner of the inter- section of Murray Hill Road and Melody Hill Road. Waibel stated that the sign ordinance does not allow for the placement of signs within public right-of-way or over public easements and also requires signs in residential districts to be setback 10 feet from the public right-of-way. He added that in order for the applicant to place this sign or any other sign at this intersection without a variance, he will need to receive permission or purchase land from abutting property owners so that the sign may be erected and setback at least 10 feet from the right-of-way. e S. Albee stated that she objects to this sign because you're going to get every neighborhood wanting a sign. She felt a real estate sign is effective if removed when the lots are sold. J. Thompson stated that there are so many signs now in neigh- borhoods and felt that it was beneficial and a very attractive sign. He would like to see the trees clipped to a certain degree so that the sign could sit back far enough and still be recognized. He doesn't object to this request because there are signs out there now and thinks they are beneficial to the neigh- borhood. Waibel stated that the sign ordinance does not discourage these signs, however it does require they be out of the right-of-way. B. Ryan asked the applicant who was going to maintain the sign in three to five years down the road? The applicant stated that they are going to live in the addition and are going to take care of it. He stated that the sign will be made out of cedar and stained, not painted. He felt the people that live in the area would keep it up should they move. S. Albee moved to deny the sign permit request based on the information submitted by staff since it sets precedent and it is in a City right-of-way and it is not necessary. e Motion failed for lack of a second. - Planning Commission Minutes August 10, 1983 Page 4 J. Thompson moved, seconded by Merz, to recommend that the City Council grant the variance for the sign request at Pleasant Hill Addition due to the fact that we (City) asked the applicant to not cut down trees on the property and that the applicant design the sign so that it more closely meets the sign height and width. It would provide aesthetics for the neighborhood and it would be a benefit and is not precedent setting. Also with the condition that the sign be maintained and repaired at the discretion of the City Engineer. Vote in favor: J. Thompson, T. Merz and B. Ryan. M. Thompson abstained. S. Albee, naye. Motion carried. S. Albee stated that she was opposed because she felt the sign should not be put in the right-of-way and it was not necessary except for possibly a temporary real estate sign. Zoning Ordinance Amendment Request, Natural Green Inc. Waibel summarized the report that this item was reviewed by the Commission in March and at that time it was tabled until more information was available about the access design alternatives and vehicle storage screening. He stated that staff had received the attached correspondence from MnDOT specifying their minimum 4It requirements for the upgrading of the Natural Green access. Waibel added that staff recommends that guideline #5 of the Staff Report of March 4, 1983 be maintained. J. Thompson moved, seconded by Merz that the Planning Commission recommend the City and Natural Green enter into negotiations on a stipulated agreement to be utlimately determined by the court and that the considerations of said negotiation include the following suggested guidelines: 1. That Natural Green be permitted to continue its operation for ten years from the date of adoption of the stipulated agreement. 2. That Natural Green not enlarge, alter, or expand its use from its present levels of operation. 3. That Natural Green upgrade their access on Trunk Highway 5 in accordance with the letter from MnDOT Project Manager Evan R. Green dated received Chanhassen Community Development Department July 27, 1983. e 4. That all vehicles and equipment used in the business, excluding employees vehicles, be stored in the area north of the existing barn on the property and be fully screened from view of public roads and surrounding residences. - e e Planning Commission Minutes August 10, 1983 Page 5 5. That sales of products on the premises are not made to the general public. 6. That all non-natural matter or material stored within 350 feet of a public road or existing residences shall be screened from public view by a compact hedge or other opaque natural growth or within a fence made of natural material of a natural earthtone color. 7. That business identification signage is not to exceed 12 square feet in area. 8. That the site is to be posted "No Public Sales". Approval of Minutes J. Thompson moved, seconded by Merz to approve the minutes of July 27, 1983 as written. J. Thompson, T. Merz, B. Ryan, and M. Thompson voted in favor and the motion carried. S. Albee abstained. J. Thompson moved, seconded by B. Ryan to adjourn the meeting. All voted in favor and the motion carred. Meeting adjourned at 8:45 p.m.