PRC Minutes 6-27-06
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Stolar: Alright, we'll leave that as an open item but not necessarily related to this. So related to
the baseball recommendation that that is a specific area where we do want to enter into joint
discussions with the district, do we have any changes to the recommendation or amendment?
Seeing none, do I have a motion to approve the recommendation that the Park and Rec
Commission recommend that the City Council initiate a joint effort with School District 112 and
other interested parties to explore future construction of a baseball stadium within the City of
Chanhassen. Motion to approve?
Scharfenberg: So moved.
Stolar: Moved by Commissioner Scharfenberg.
Spizale: Second.
Stolar: Seconded by Commissioner Spizale. Any other points?
Scharfenberg moved, Spizale seconded that the Park and Recreation Commission
recommend that the City Council initiate a joint effort with School District 112 and other
interested parties to explore future construction of a baseball stadium within the City of
Chanhassen. All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to o.
Stolar: And then we'll set up some other meeting, or working session for us to talk about some
other opportunities and prioritize.
Hoffman: Working session with the commission?
Stolar: Right. Just the commission, yeah.
DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW. LAKESIDE.
Hoffman: Thank you Chair Stolar, members of the commission. The Lakeside development is
currently the Lake Riley apartments. The apartments are planned to be demolished over the next
summer months and then the redevelopment of apartment units and townhouses be built on the
property. The applicant, Sienna Corporation is the same company that has developed and
manages Bearpath. It's 26.34 acres. They're looking at building 234 residential developments.
2,3, and 4 unit condominiums. They've acquired the property and they plan on initiating
construction again later this fall. Comprehensive park plan and trail plan, after we reviewed the
proposal, comprehensive park plan talks about developing a park to go within one half mile of
every residence in the city. This property lies at the eastern border of Chanhassen, right up
against Eden Prairie. Developing a park at this location is not recommended because you have,
essentially if you put a park at this property you'd have a service area which is half of Eden
Prairie and half in Chanhassen. If you refer to the map, the overview map in here that shows the
Lake Riley North neighborhood park service area, the area photo, the proposed neighborhood
park site is actually quite a bit to the east on property currently owned by John Klingelhutz and
so you would take these neighborhood and centrally locate a 5 or 7 acre park site to
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accommodate all the new residents in that particular location. And then in addition to the other
future public amenities that are planned, this development will also be incorporating a beachlot
with a variety of amenities on the property, including a boat access, gazebo, a grill, picnic area,
fire pit. They'll have a dock with 6 slips that will mostly likely just have association type
recreational boats and then they would be reserved on a per time basis. There would not be any
private facilities or private boats at that location. Trails in the area. The Lakeside committed to
complete a very important section of the trail. It's located directly north of Lyman Boulevard,
and then it will connect on the north side of Lyman. It will connect to Eden Prairie along the 15th
green or fairway of the Bearpath golf course and it will travel north underneath Highway 212 at a
future underpass, or an underpass which is currently being constructed. So this will allow
residents who want to be a few underpass opportunities in the eastern sections of Chanhassen to
get underneath Highway 212. The trails north of there are yet to be constructed but if you've
ever been in the Marsh Glen trail, that currently dead ends. That's where this trail would connect
at some time in the future. So it's a very important connection. The Sienna Corporation per
their development contract with the City of Chanhassen is required to construct that trail along
the 15th green and fairway and that also requires to construct a trail from the corporate
boundaries of Eden Prairie and Chanhassen east into Eden Prairie to connect up to their trail
system. So by the end of next summer, people in this area will be able to travel both on Lyman
Boulevard, east and west, in and out of Chanhassen and Eden Prairie to Lake Riley Park or other
destinations via the LRT trail. And then they'll also be able to travel north under Highway 212,
which will be quite a relief because if you have to cross at the bridge, you can go all the way
back to Highway 101 at that location. You probably all saw Commissioner Daniel's comments.
He has a desire to see us put some public park in this location...talk to him in person. I didn't
really understand all of his thoughts completely but I did respond in an e-mail that I copied all of
you on... Our recommendation, staff's recommendation, they have three items. It's
recommended that you recommend that City Council require 3 conditions of approval
concerning parks and trails for the Lakeside PUD. Number one, the payment of full park
dedication fees at the rate in force upon final plat in lieu of parkland dedication. Two, the
applicant shall provide all design, engineering, construction, and testing services required of the
Lyman Boulevard trail. They will construct that trail. The trail shall be 10 feet in width and then
we will reimburse the applicant for that construction of that section of our comprehensive trail
plan, and that is consistent with how we have developed the remainder of our comp trail plan
within the city. And then number three. The trail connection at the northeast corner of the site
connecting the Lakeside area to the future 212 trail underpass, as depicted construon the
applicant's plans be completed. So you want to make that a condition so we make sure that that
does occur at some point in the future.
Stolar: Okay.
Hoffman: They are having neighborhood meetings down here. I know they're working on
relocation. That's one of the concerns of our community is that this is impacting a great number
of people, and the elementary school here in Chanhassen is being affected by it because of their
relocations with folks, so they are meeting as a neighborhood. Meeting with the developer and
working on relocation assistance for these people, along with Carver County and the City of
Chanhassen.
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Stolar: Ann, any questions?
Murphy: I guess with Chanhassen Elementary, I didn't understand that.
Hoffman: They'll be affected because of the loss of many of the kids that currently reside here
will not be able to, may not be able to find other places in town to live and so if they, I'm not
sure how many students they had but let's say 30. Some of those kids might not be coming back
to school here in Chanhassen next year.
Stolar: Jack.
Spizale: This trail is on, one thing I didn't quite understand is this trail goes on their property
around the lake?
Hoffman: That's their private trail. Let's see, if you go to Plan Sheet 5 of 9. They have it
labeled as a 8 foot bituminous. It will actually be a 10 foot bituminous trail. 8 foot is their old
standard. 10 foot in their new standard. You see it there Jack on the north side. Sheet 5 of 9.
It's on the north side of Lyman Boulevard. They've got a trail construction called out. And then
they'll have a private trail on the small section on their side of, when I say their side, on the lake
side, there'll be a trail, a walking path as it's called out for their beachlot association.
Spizale: Okay.
Hoffman: They also have many private trails, pathways within their development itself.
Stolar: Steve.
Scharfenberg: So I'm trying to envision that, there'll be, on that area on the north side of that
road, is that still called Lyman Boulevard back there? Okay. And there'll be a path on that north
side going all the way into Eden Prairie, all the way up to Lake Riley?
Hoffman: Correct. The trail stops, Bearpath built an urban section of road and then it stops.
There's a trail on that road. I'm not sure if it's on the north or south of that location at Eden
Prairie. But they will build this trail on the north side, all the way down into Eden Prairie.
Currently the trail in Chanhassen terminates at Lake Riley Road East. It's on the south side. It
stops at the road and then it has a pedestrian crosswalk over to the Rottlund development. And
so that's where they'll pick it up from that location and continue on east.
Stolar: Paula.
Atkins: No questions.
Stolar: Just one quick question. How far is the Lake Riley Park from this development area in
Eden Prairie?
Scharfenberg: I'd say at the most three quarters of a mile.
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Stolar: So it's not very far.
Scharfenberg: No.
Stolar: So they still have, with the trails and all these, they still have access to quite within the
half mile discussion but a half mile, but three quarter mile access to a park facility until we get
this acquisition and this other development.
Hoffman: And Lake Riley's a nice park. It might even be a little bit a closer to the north side of
the park there at that location. Half mile, three quarters of a mile.
Stolar: I mean the question of what are they going to do to get to this. Well they do have the
opportunity in Eden Prairie for a park, so it's not like they're left out in the cold.
Hoffman: It's nearby.
Stolar: Yeah. Okay. Can I have a motion to approve staff recommendation? I'm not going to
re-read it...
Murphy: Motion to approve staff's recommendation.
Stolar: Moved by Commissioner Murphy. Can I have a second?
Scharfenberg: Second.
Stolar: Seconded by Commissioner Scharfenberg.
Murphy moved, Scharfenberg seconded that the Park & Recreation Commission
recommend the City Council require the following conditions of approval concerning parks
and trails for the Lakeside PUD.
1. The payment of full park dedication fees at the rate in force upon final plat approval in
lieu of parkland dedication.
2. The applicant shall provide all design, engineering, construction and testing services
required of the "Lyman Boulevard Trail." All construction documents shall be delivered
to the Park and Recreation Director and City Engineer for approval prior to the initiation
of each phase of construction. The trail shall be 10 feet in width, surfaced with
bituminous material, and constructed to meet all city specifications. The applicant shall
be reimbursed for the actual cost of construction materials for the Lyman Boulevard
Trail. This reimbursement payment shall be made upon completion and acceptance of the
trail and receipt of an invoice documenting the actual costs for the construction materials
utilized in its construction.
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3. The trail connection at the northeast corner of the site connecting the Lakeside area to the
future Highway 212 trail and underpass, as depicted in the applicant's plans, is completed.
All voted in favor and the motion carried unanimously with a vote of 5 to O.
RECOMMENDA TION TO AMEND PARK AND TRAIL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM (CIP).
Hoffman: Thanks Chair Stolar, members of the commission. We reviewed this this evening as a
part of our tour. This is a recommendation to modify the 2006 park and trail CIP to accomplish
construction of two trails. One at Lake Ann and one at Curry Farms Park. Staff is proposing to
extend an existing internal trail at Lake Ann, inbetween Fields 1 and 6. South to West 78th
Street. It's a trail that we've been thinking about for a number of years. We started with the
construction from the concession stand heading to the south. It's been a very popular trail and
we've received many comments from the park users that have parked their vehicles in those lots
between the frontage road and the ballfields, that it would be nice to have a pedestrian access
point to those athletic fields at that location. It's 370 feet, or excuse me, 780 feet of new trail and
then 370 feet of existing trail overlay. Or overlaying the existing trail. And there is a diagram in
your packet. Curry Farms trail, we are proposing to reconstruct 250 feet of an existing internal
park trail. We looked at that this evening as well. Overlay 470, the remaining 470 feet and then
the brand new trail, 330 feet to connect to a new neighborhood, the Knob Hill Lane cul-de-sac at
the top of the hill. We received quotes from two qualified contractors. Plehal and Midwest
Asphalt. And the sub-total on the Lake Ann trail on the low bid is $23,000 from Plehal and then
the Curry Farms sub-total, $23,000 for a grand total of $46,295 for the two projects, compared to
$115,000 from Midwest Asphalt quote. Now the funding, these projects are currently not
identified in the CIP and we are proposing that we delete two planned improvements from the
2006 CIP to free up the dollars to accomplish these projects. Those two, or excuse me, two trail
projects and then the off leash dog area commitment. So review those deletions. We have
$50,000 currently proposed for off leash dog areas. Our commitment to Carver County parks is
$30,000 so that frees up 20, and then the other 30's coming from two park projects, trail projects.
One at Rice Marsh Lake. $15,000 for that trail and then one at South Lotus Lake. Again we
reviewed those this evening with the commission on our site tours for an additional $15,000.
Total of those deletions would total $50,000 and would accomplish the projects at the other
locations. This is not an unusual budget format. We do this from time to time when certain
projects rise to the front and other projects tend to lose favor over time, throughout the year.
Sometimes we don't complete projects and then they just don't happen and other times we
modify the budget as we go through the year. So it's recommended by staff that the commission
recommend the City Council modified the 2006 park and trail capital improvement program CIP
by adding the Lake Ann Park and Curry Farms Park trail improvements in a not to exceed
amount of $49,999 and deleting the Rice Marsh Lake Park trail, South Lotus Lake Park trail, and
a portion of the funding designated for off leash dog area to over the cost of these new projects.
I'll be happy to answer any questions. We also have Dale who is working this process with me
here and he can answer questions as well.
Spizale: What portions, how would this be divided up? How much from the Lotus Lake Park
trail and how much from the off leash dog area?
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